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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
January 06 2021 21:38 GMT
#58941
~90 minutes until the curfew hits, so all but the most ardent supporters will clear out soon.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8726 Posts
January 06 2021 21:38 GMT
#58942
On January 07 2021 06:34 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 06:21 plasmidghost wrote:
Trump vid dropped


He sees the violence and still opens with "we had an election that was stolen from us" is just beyond words. Impeach and remove.


I for one welcome the new Danglars! who knew it only took destruction of federal property and a mob storming the capitol building for a rather sudden shift.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9188 Posts
January 06 2021 21:39 GMT
#58943
On January 07 2021 06:34 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 06:21 plasmidghost wrote:
Trump vid dropped

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346928882595885058

He sees the violence and still opens with "we had an election that was stolen from us" is just beyond words. Impeach and remove.

Beyond words? This is what you've been excusing every day. He never hid who he is. There was never a shortage of people showing you who he is. You clung the wool to your eyes deliberately.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 06 2021 21:39 GMT
#58944
On January 07 2021 06:32 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 06:27 Danglars wrote:
On January 07 2021 06:19 m4ini wrote:
On January 07 2021 06:00 Danglars wrote:
On January 07 2021 05:26 NewSunshine wrote:
On January 07 2021 05:22 pmh wrote:
How are these people not beeing removed.
The protest itself imo is not worrying but the lack of action by law enforcement kinda is.

Because it's sanctioned by Trump's fucking DoD. This was their plan, and it's what they want. And it's plainly what folks like Danglars want as well. What the fuck are we even doing being worried about armed protesters incited by Trump who have shot somebody, anyway? It's not like they have any chance of succeeding. It's not like the fucking National Guard is just chilling around the corner letting them do their thing. It's not like they're IN the capitol.

Fuck all this. I've got no patience for this "debate" about what the problem is. Trump asked his gang of thugs to attack the WH today, and asked his DoD to play nice with them. That's our fucking problem.

I want everybody to take a good look at "it's plainly what folks like Danglars want as well" next time somebody cries to me about the tenor of the debate.

Take a real good look.

Drink it up.

Own it.


Remember when you cried about "hysteria" when people with half a brain were expressing concern of trump priming his mentally underdeveloped army of apes?

Drink it up.

Own it, you hypocrite.

Sorry, that they were gonna successfully enact a coup? Was hysteria, still hysteria.

I'm comforted that the one person I asked here did present 0 odds for Biden not assuming office, like he was always gonna, on January 20th.

Say what you want about the failure of capitol police, the national guard, and various federal police forces to stop a mob of, idk hundreds (someone watching the news more than the thread let me know), from breaching the Capitol building. But maybe you had better quote what you have a problem with before making me fill in what specifically you're referring to.

Generalizations are a poor tool for you to use when I'm responding to a post about wanting this to happen. Don't you think so?


So you shifted the goalpost from "inciting violence" to "successfully enact a coup".

Right. And i bet you don't even feel as stupid as you actually are, saying that.

Shocking.

Dude, quote whatever I've said and let's make that a starting point to whatever point you're trying to make about my responsibility and hypocrisy. How can you even complain about "shifting goalposts" when the best you've got is alleging that I cried hysteria about "people with half a brain were expressing concern of trump priming his mentally underdeveloped army of apes?" What? I don't remember being asked about what some fraction of his supporters might do if he continued not accepting the election votes and crying that it was stolen.

Go tell me what you didn't like about a post, and then accuse me of shifting goalposts, because that's kind of hard to do when you're blazing out with "mentally underdeveloped army of apes." That doesn't leave me thinking, "Hey, maybe this guy has a legitimate concern and is really interested in comparing my history of posting about the Trump administration in light of recent events."
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-06 21:42:17
January 06 2021 21:40 GMT
#58945
There's a big South Korean flag being flown from the ground directly in from of the capitol, I would love to know what that guy is thinking lol
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 06 2021 21:40 GMT
#58946
On January 07 2021 06:38 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 06:34 Danglars wrote:
On January 07 2021 06:21 plasmidghost wrote:
Trump vid dropped

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346928882595885058

He sees the violence and still opens with "we had an election that was stolen from us" is just beyond words. Impeach and remove.


I for one welcome the new Danglars! who knew it only took destruction of federal property and a mob storming the capitol building for a rather sudden shift.

Honestly? I'm glad. It moved him, which means it'll move others. Danglars is one of the most diehard GOP partisans around (he still supports Bush and the Iraq War, iirc), so if it's beyond the pale for him, I imagine it's too far for the vast majority of people.

We shouldn't mock people for changing their mind.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
January 06 2021 21:40 GMT
#58947
Cori Bush calling for the expulsion of members of Congress who've incited this insurrection through their denial of the election. Frankly that would be a nice start. Who'd replace them though?

https://twitter.com/RepCori/status/1346926083350794240?s=19

Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
January 06 2021 21:41 GMT
#58948
On January 07 2021 06:40 Zambrah wrote:
Cori Bush calling for the expulsion of members of Congress who've incited this insurrection through their denial of the election. Frankly that would be a nice start. Who'd replace them though?

https://twitter.com/RepCori/status/1346926083350794240?s=19


Prey sure it depends on the home state.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6336 Posts
January 06 2021 21:41 GMT
#58949
On January 07 2021 06:34 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 06:21 plasmidghost wrote:
Trump vid dropped

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346928882595885058

He sees the violence and still opens with "we had an election that was stolen from us" is just beyond words. Impeach and remove.

The people inside believe the election was stolen. Isnt it common practise to tell them what they want to hear so that they calm down and leave? They are unarmed and entered the building because the police let them.

They are not terrorists, mob mentality and adrenalin make you do stupid things and it will dawn on them that they need to get the fuck out asap or they will be crucified
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 06 2021 21:42 GMT
#58950
On January 07 2021 06:41 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 06:34 Danglars wrote:
On January 07 2021 06:21 plasmidghost wrote:
Trump vid dropped

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346928882595885058

He sees the violence and still opens with "we had an election that was stolen from us" is just beyond words. Impeach and remove.

The people inside believe the election was stolen. Isnt it common practise to tell them what they want to hear so that they calm down and leave? They are unarmed and entered the building because the police let them.

They are not terrorists, mob mentality and adrenalin make you do stupid things and it will dawn on them that they need to get the fuck out asap or they will be crucified

No, they stormed past the police and are clearly armed. That's been reported by everyone.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
January 06 2021 21:43 GMT
#58951
On January 07 2021 06:41 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 06:40 Zambrah wrote:
Cori Bush calling for the expulsion of members of Congress who've incited this insurrection through their denial of the election. Frankly that would be a nice start. Who'd replace them though?

https://twitter.com/RepCori/status/1346926083350794240?s=19


Prey sure it depends on the home state.


So it likely wouldn't do any major good then
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24760 Posts
January 06 2021 21:43 GMT
#58952
The told us all to go home and leave DC today at around 3PM. Not sure if it will be safe to go in tomorrow!

I think once the violence is over and injured people transported to medical facilities, it's time for the Democrats to start politicizing this. Perhaps they should do daily investigations and interview every Republican who denied the election results every day while the Democrats hold power.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1414 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-06 22:04:46
January 06 2021 21:43 GMT
#58953
Well that was it i guess.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
January 06 2021 21:44 GMT
#58954
On January 07 2021 06:43 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 06:41 farvacola wrote:
On January 07 2021 06:40 Zambrah wrote:
Cori Bush calling for the expulsion of members of Congress who've incited this insurrection through their denial of the election. Frankly that would be a nice start. Who'd replace them though?

https://twitter.com/RepCori/status/1346926083350794240?s=19


Prey sure it depends on the home state.


So it likely wouldn't do any major good then

in some cases no, but others maybe. A number of Michigan reps disputed the lectors and they'd get replaced by the Dem governor i think
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1955 Posts
January 06 2021 21:46 GMT
#58955
Classic. Now that the support of the President ended exactly how the snowflakes feared it would, GOP senators, congressman and forum representatives start telling that doing what the man they supported through all that shit is wrong and claim law and order while dodging any responsibiliy for this.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
January 06 2021 21:47 GMT
#58956
Idk why everybody is raging at Danglars when Introvert was the onevboth sides-ing political violence and + Show Spoiler +
Hmm, need to choose different verbs than “sniping at” or “taking shots at” today
criticizing “weak” Dem politicians for insufficiently condemning riots this summer.

Honestly Danglars I don’t know how you rile everyone up so much. I think xDaunt might have been a literal white nationalist and I still see people on here saying “xDaunt was fine, Danglars is the really bad one.” Don’t get me wrong, I’ve gotten pretty frustrated arguing with you before but I don’t know what it is about your posts that bothers people so much.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-06 21:49:54
January 06 2021 21:47 GMT
#58957
On January 07 2021 06:32 zeo wrote:
That red text from Twitter will agitate them more than anything though.

They are an unorganized mass of people with no leader and no way of defending themselves. They will go home soon, no way will they hole themselves up. The fact that they even managed to get in is staggering. When was the last time any protesters entered a US Capitol building? I can't find anything on Google?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-55558355

The moment they got in is at 19:44 on the feed. There was literally just 3 men on the front.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-55558355
20:44 update curates the moment when the mob smashed the door.

There's quite a few videos of when they entered the building. There were barely any police. What with the lack of antional guard compared to last year and Trump saying he will nver concede shortly before this all happened, it's not hard to connect that Trump and his cronies planned for all this to happen.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
January 06 2021 21:48 GMT
#58958
On January 07 2021 06:44 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 06:43 Zambrah wrote:
On January 07 2021 06:41 farvacola wrote:
On January 07 2021 06:40 Zambrah wrote:
Cori Bush calling for the expulsion of members of Congress who've incited this insurrection through their denial of the election. Frankly that would be a nice start. Who'd replace them though?

https://twitter.com/RepCori/status/1346926083350794240?s=19


Prey sure it depends on the home state.


So it likely wouldn't do any major good then

in some cases no, but others maybe. A number of Michigan reps disputed the lectors and they'd get replaced by the Dem governor i think


I'm thinking kind of large scale, I'm not of the opinion the US will do well without serious changes atm, and minor adjustments to the Dem/Rep balance doesn't seem enough to me.

Republicans are going to need to see some absurdly fundamental shifts if they're going to be allowed to be a part of Americas future imo
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9790 Posts
January 06 2021 21:48 GMT
#58959
On January 07 2021 06:41 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 06:34 Danglars wrote:
On January 07 2021 06:21 plasmidghost wrote:
Trump vid dropped

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346928882595885058

He sees the violence and still opens with "we had an election that was stolen from us" is just beyond words. Impeach and remove.

The people inside believe the election was stolen. Isnt it common practise to tell them what they want to hear so that they calm down and leave? They are unarmed and entered the building because the police let them.

They are not terrorists, mob mentality and adrenalin make you do stupid things and it will dawn on them that they need to get the fuck out asap or they will be crucified


No common practice would be to condemn what they did and tell them to go home, nothing more.
Trump has the power to do something and not a single other person does.

'Telling them what they want to hear' could well read as 'sending a coded message to carry on or escalate'
RIP Meatloaf <3
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
January 06 2021 21:49 GMT
#58960
On January 07 2021 06:41 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 06:34 Danglars wrote:
On January 07 2021 06:21 plasmidghost wrote:
Trump vid dropped

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346928882595885058

He sees the violence and still opens with "we had an election that was stolen from us" is just beyond words. Impeach and remove.

The people inside believe the election was stolen. Isnt it common practise to tell them what they want to hear so that they calm down and leave? They are unarmed and entered the building because the police let them.

They are not terrorists, mob mentality and adrenalin make you do stupid things and it will dawn on them that they need to get the fuck out asap or they will be crucified


Yes they are.
(honestly I don't know how to elaborate this apart from just recounting the events)
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