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On January 07 2021 06:47 ChristianS wrote:Idk why everybody is raging at Danglars when Introvert was the onevboth sides-ing political violence and + Show Spoiler +Hmm, need to choose different verbs than “sniping at” or “taking shots at” today criticizing “weak” Dem politicians for insufficiently condemning riots this summer. Honestly Danglars I don’t know how you rile everyone up so much. I think xDaunt might have been a literal white nationalist and I still see people on here saying “xDaunt was fine, Danglars is the really bad one.” Don’t get me wrong, I’ve gotten pretty frustrated arguing with you before but I don’t know what it is about your posts that bothers people so much.
Well maybe if he didnt spend 4 years calling various posters hysterics or dumb for suggesting that Trump was a fascist ..
I'm sure he can handle it for a day.
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tbh, I would have been curious to see xdaunt's response to post-election Trump.
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On January 07 2021 06:42 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:41 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 06:34 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 06:21 plasmidghost wrote:
Trump vid dropped
He sees the violence and still opens with "we had an election that was stolen from us" is just beyond words. Impeach and remove. The people inside believe the election was stolen. Isnt it common practise to tell them what they want to hear so that they calm down and leave? They are unarmed and entered the building because the police let them.
They are not terrorists, mob mentality and adrenalin make you do stupid things and it will dawn on them that they need to get the fuck out asap or they will be crucified No, they stormed past the police and are clearly armed. That's been reported by everyone.
BLM protesters outnumbered and outgunned police by a way larger margin than this almost daily for a few months and something like this never happened. If this wasn't intentional its a disgrace, they handed over their country's capitol buildings to a mob.
I'm not there will be thorough investigations into everything at the end of the day
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On January 07 2021 06:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:
tbh, I would have been curious to see xdaunt's response to post-election Trump.
I’ll send him a message and relay it back here if he responds 
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On January 07 2021 06:41 farvacola wrote:Prey sure it depends on the home state.
Yes. Most states have the governor replace them, there are only a few oddballs that launch a special election instead and I think a few have rules that the appointed person has to be of the same party.
There's a big difference between a republican willing to be a fascist and one who isn't, imo. Expulsion from the body was the reaction the last time this happened (with the confederacy's senators).
On January 07 2021 06:47 ChristianS wrote:Idk why everybody is raging at Danglars when Introvert was the onevboth sides-ing political violence and + Show Spoiler +Hmm, need to choose different verbs than “sniping at” or “taking shots at” today criticizing “weak” Dem politicians for insufficiently condemning riots this summer. Honestly Danglars I don’t know how you rile everyone up so much. I think xDaunt might have been a literal white nationalist and I still see people on here saying “xDaunt was fine, Danglars is the really bad one.” Don’t get me wrong, I’ve gotten pretty frustrated arguing with you before but I don’t know what it is about your posts that bothers people so much.
I've always thought I might enjoy having a beer with Danglars, even if we really disagreed on politics. Can't say the same about xdaunt lol.
Mayor of DC is holding a press conference atm, said they got police from counties around the city. Secretary of the army is talking now about what happened with the national guard.
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On January 07 2021 06:49 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:47 ChristianS wrote:Idk why everybody is raging at Danglars when Introvert was the onevboth sides-ing political violence and + Show Spoiler +Hmm, need to choose different verbs than “sniping at” or “taking shots at” today criticizing “weak” Dem politicians for insufficiently condemning riots this summer. Honestly Danglars I don’t know how you rile everyone up so much. I think xDaunt might have been a literal white nationalist and I still see people on here saying “xDaunt was fine, Danglars is the really bad one.” Don’t get me wrong, I’ve gotten pretty frustrated arguing with you before but I don’t know what it is about your posts that bothers people so much. Well maybe if he didnt spend 4 years calling various posters hysterics or dumb for suggesting that Trump was a fascist ..
Also dressing up terrible arguments in layers of rhetoric in order to make them look less inconsistent and morally reprehensible. That's what bothers me the most. Better to have the guys who just come out and say their outrageous shit instead of cloaking and hedging it endlessly into obscurity.
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On January 07 2021 06:47 ChristianS wrote:Idk why everybody is raging at Danglars when Introvert was the onevboth sides-ing political violence and + Show Spoiler +Hmm, need to choose different verbs than “sniping at” or “taking shots at” today criticizing “weak” Dem politicians for insufficiently condemning riots this summer. Honestly Danglars I don’t know how you rile everyone up so much. I think xDaunt might have been a literal white nationalist and I still see people on here saying “xDaunt was fine, Danglars is the really bad one.” Don’t get me wrong, I’ve gotten pretty frustrated arguing with you before but I don’t know what it is about your posts that bothers people so much.
I think it's because Danglars is the most vocal/posts more often. I find Introvert and Wegandi to be far worse than Danglars when it comes to both-sides'ing, excusing abhorrent things from the right, and being outright condescending to people on the left, but they don't post as much so I guess people don't rail on them as much.
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On January 07 2021 06:49 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:47 ChristianS wrote:Idk why everybody is raging at Danglars when Introvert was the onevboth sides-ing political violence and + Show Spoiler +Hmm, need to choose different verbs than “sniping at” or “taking shots at” today criticizing “weak” Dem politicians for insufficiently condemning riots this summer. Honestly Danglars I don’t know how you rile everyone up so much. I think xDaunt might have been a literal white nationalist and I still see people on here saying “xDaunt was fine, Danglars is the really bad one.” Don’t get me wrong, I’ve gotten pretty frustrated arguing with you before but I don’t know what it is about your posts that bothers people so much. Well maybe if he didnt spend 4 years calling various posters hysterics or dumb for suggesting that Trump was a fascist .. I'm sure he can handle it for a day.
The condescension. The guilt trips for just not being smart enough to agree with him on everything. The manipulative bad faith argumentation. The constant downplaying of a genuine threat to the US and hoping people forget this when Trump and his cronies finally get the boot. As objectionable as xDaunt was, he never hid behind others or tried to pretend he wasn't a White Nationalist. Trump's enjoying his last gasp as the shitty tinpot ruler that he is and Danglars suddenly backpedals from everything he said the last 5 years. But still we're all idiots for being worried. Clearly whether the coup succeeded makes a material difference.
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On January 07 2021 06:53 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:41 farvacola wrote:Prey sure it depends on the home state. Yes. Most states have the governor replace them, there are only a few oddballs that launch a special election instead and I think a few have rules that the appointed person has to be of the same party. There's a big difference between a republican willing to be a fascist and one who isn't, imo. Expulsion from the body was the reaction the last time this happened (with the confederacy's senators).
What stops future Republicans from sliding back down this rabbit hole though? Theres clearly enormous political energy for these proto-fascists and Republicans can hardly be trusted to vote them down. Democrats can't be trusted to create an environment where proto-fascists can't win against an incredibly unpopular candidate.
I seriously just don't know how we have a Republican party thats behaved as it has continue to exist in the US as we know it without letting a significantly more competent proto-Fascist in the door.
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On January 07 2021 06:46 Broetchenholer wrote:
Classic. Now that the support of the President ended exactly how the snowflakes feared it would, GOP senators, congressman and forum representatives start telling that doing what the man they supported through all that shit is wrong and claim law and order while dodging any responsibiliy for this.
Yeah I expect they'll just throw Trump under the bus and go back to pretending they have values, as if he could have done any of this without the spineless sycophancy of non true believers.
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On January 07 2021 06:59 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:53 Nevuk wrote:On January 07 2021 06:41 farvacola wrote:Prey sure it depends on the home state. Yes. Most states have the governor replace them, there are only a few oddballs that launch a special election instead and I think a few have rules that the appointed person has to be of the same party. There's a big difference between a republican willing to be a fascist and one who isn't, imo. Expulsion from the body was the reaction the last time this happened (with the confederacy's senators). What stops future Republicans from sliding back down this rabbit hole though? Theres clearly enormous political energy for these proto-fascists and Republicans can hardly be trusted to vote them down. Democrats can't be trusted to create an environment where proto-fascists can't win against an incredibly unpopular candidate. I seriously just don't know how we have a Republican party thats behaved as it has continue to exist in the US as we know it without letting a significantly more competent proto-Fascist in the door.
Nothing, as long as they get to obtain power, they don't seem to care how they do it.
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On January 07 2021 06:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:'It was stolen from us' 'they've taken it away from all of us' . Ah yes that's always a good way to calm down people.
STILL claiming it was stolen after seeing what he is agitating?
A clear election result does not matter. 60 dismissed law suits does not matter. That elections were certified by the states does not matter. A clear EC loss does not matter. A clear congress majority certifying the results does not matter. You should not believe anyting except what you want to hear and everything is rigged against Trump.
The only logical continuation of this is a coup attempt, which we just saw, and he is 100% responsable for it. He deserves to die in prison for treason.
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Just an hour ago Danglers was claiming that small states are being oppressed by larger states, (other way round but lets ignore that), even after just it was being reported here in the forum that the terrorists have broken through to the Senate. Actual small number of people are trying to overturn a democratic majority. Priorities.
Danglar's schtick is to ridicule and call everyone as hysterical for fearing and predicting exactly what is happening right now. That this is all just theater. Literally just search Danglars and theater and this is what I got:
On November 14 2020 00:37 Danglars wrote:
His pattern of behavior is to whine endlessly and then do nothing. It's been seen when courts have frustrated his agenda and when Pelosi's House has blocked legislation he wants. "But he's going to end Democracy through executive order" was a big thing back then too. It didn't happen.
But for the hysteria, I can hardly imagine a worse way to comport yourself. It was originally that his judges would hand the election to him, remember? And then judges from all different appointed parties have tossed out his lawsuits (and allies) like was always going to happen. Where's the predicted widespread, violent right-wing riots by his supporters? 2016 riots had millions of dollars of damages across major cities. But enough about those hysterias, now on to military hysteria.
I never thought I'd say this, but I'm gaining a lot of respect for leftists that simply know that Trump exits on January 20th and all this is theater. It shouldn't be laudatory behavior given how small the self discipline required. Use your brains. Trump's all about the big New York talk with these things. The constitutional system stands.
On December 15 2020 14:08 Danglars wrote:
Nah, it wasn't real dueling electors. It was just theater. You can find funny video of an official patiently speaking to and stopping the pretenders from entering the actual voting chamber.
Theater just like all the lawsuits and tweets and statements and letters and allegations. It'll all go on until Biden's swearing in, and then you can choose to pay attention to it or not. Then the next phase is Trump's rehabilitation as the moderate Republican than his successor candidates are oh-so-much-worse than, as we already saw talked about with Pence during the 25th Amendment theater.
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On January 07 2021 07:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:59 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 06:53 Nevuk wrote:On January 07 2021 06:41 farvacola wrote:Prey sure it depends on the home state. Yes. Most states have the governor replace them, there are only a few oddballs that launch a special election instead and I think a few have rules that the appointed person has to be of the same party. There's a big difference between a republican willing to be a fascist and one who isn't, imo. Expulsion from the body was the reaction the last time this happened (with the confederacy's senators). What stops future Republicans from sliding back down this rabbit hole though? Theres clearly enormous political energy for these proto-fascists and Republicans can hardly be trusted to vote them down. Democrats can't be trusted to create an environment where proto-fascists can't win against an incredibly unpopular candidate. I seriously just don't know how we have a Republican party thats behaved as it has continue to exist in the US as we know it without letting a significantly more competent proto-Fascist in the door. Nothing, as long as they get to obtain power, they don't seem to care how they do it.
Agree, look at some of danglers old post, the are very happy with the price they paid to pack the court. Republicans at the state and federal level have shown they will do whatever it takes for power.
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tbf danglars has not attempted to support Trump's complaints about the election, which are at the root of this incident.
Blaming danglars and Trump supporters in general for this isn't really fair, as long as they have respected the election result. This is about fascism and democracy, not the other issues that people hate about Trump.
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On January 07 2021 07:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:59 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 06:53 Nevuk wrote:On January 07 2021 06:41 farvacola wrote:Prey sure it depends on the home state. Yes. Most states have the governor replace them, there are only a few oddballs that launch a special election instead and I think a few have rules that the appointed person has to be of the same party. There's a big difference between a republican willing to be a fascist and one who isn't, imo. Expulsion from the body was the reaction the last time this happened (with the confederacy's senators). What stops future Republicans from sliding back down this rabbit hole though? Theres clearly enormous political energy for these proto-fascists and Republicans can hardly be trusted to vote them down. Democrats can't be trusted to create an environment where proto-fascists can't win against an incredibly unpopular candidate. I seriously just don't know how we have a Republican party thats behaved as it has continue to exist in the US as we know it without letting a significantly more competent proto-Fascist in the door. Nothing, as long as they get to obtain power, they don't seem to care how they do it.
What do we DO about that, it seems like at this point the Republican party is an actual ticking time bomb for fascism, and its going to take a shit ton to get to a place where America isn't at risk of more of this sort of shit, except potentially at a significantly more competent scale.
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On January 07 2021 06:59 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:53 Nevuk wrote:On January 07 2021 06:41 farvacola wrote:Prey sure it depends on the home state. Yes. Most states have the governor replace them, there are only a few oddballs that launch a special election instead and I think a few have rules that the appointed person has to be of the same party. There's a big difference between a republican willing to be a fascist and one who isn't, imo. Expulsion from the body was the reaction the last time this happened (with the confederacy's senators). What stops future Republicans from sliding back down this rabbit hole though? Theres clearly enormous political energy for these proto-fascists and Republicans can hardly be trusted to vote them down. Democrats can't be trusted to create an environment where proto-fascists can't win against an incredibly unpopular candidate. I seriously just don't know how we have a Republican party thats behaved as it has continue to exist in the US as we know it without letting a significantly more competent proto-Fascist in the door.
Self preservation. The GOP congresspeople who've been on CNN and other sites clearly never expected to actually be in any danger and seem really panicky. You can be guaranteed that the current members aren't going to tolerate the sort of shit they were before - and the saner ones are still the vast majority of the republican party in both houses.
Also, the GOP's long term prospects only look anything but atrocious because the democrats are a pretty mediocre party.
Not sure how a party expects to survive in another decade when it only won the <30 vote in 5 states...
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flashbangs and tear gas being deployed from inside the Capitol to clear the landing on the lawn side
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Why aren't these people being arrested?
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On January 07 2021 06:37 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ill throw you a bone Danglars. You at least engage in debate with people who disagree with you, on a forum that is not biased in your favor, which almost no Trump supporters would do. I know a lot of people here harp on you that Trumps fascism was always obvious, and indeed to me obvious, and you were a fool to think otherwise. However, I throw no stones your way, as I voted to Joe even though I believe he sexually assaulted that women.
Im just looking forward to a day that when politics are debated, peoples lives are not endangered.
I sincerely hope that people's lives are not endangered because we debate these topics. I'm not okay with people's lives being endangered that aren't engaging in criminal activities like violent riots.
On January 07 2021 06:38 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:34 Danglars wrote:He sees the violence and still opens with "we had an election that was stolen from us" is just beyond words. Impeach and remove. "Very nice people on both sides". You were still saying the judges or the little sisters were worth this a few weeks ago. It's too late. Nothing else to say.
Liquid'Drone had the right perspective asking about 2020. You're acting like the 2016 election had voters lining up to endorse claiming the 2020 was stolen. Trump stood for issues matter to regular Americans, and Hillary spoke on different topics and didn't even think it was worth it to visit Wisconsin in her campaign. The actions of their choice after losing in 2020 doesn't change the transformation of the debate in this country from 2016-2019. Those years are still yet to be judged by historians in light of the terrible end.
I post on this subject because I've debated it over and over within myself about what I believe and how that relates to political candidates and what others believe. The binary choice every 4 years is an absolutely horrible way to judge political positions.
A vote for Hillary is not necessarily because you want hundreds or thousands (more?) dead in Libya. A vote for Trump is not love for the actions of a minority of his supporters, egged on by Trump for two months now. A vote for Truman was not because you liked to see millions of Japanese dead from an atomic bomb. A vote for FDR didn't mean you want to see the internment of Japanese Americans. You just can't make that leap of logic, and I will die on that hill. It's a cheapening of the debate and a dehumanizing of actual American citizens with all their ideas, hopes, and dreams. I say, leave it on the playground of children.
Inside that Senate stands a man that nearly died by the hands of a Bernie Bro that opened fire at a baseball stadium. He had been to all the forums raging vociferously against the evil Republicans and wrote down the names of congressmen from my party. He stood in a time when top Democrats were calling Republicans evil and Sanders himself had accused Republicans of encouraging violence, right-wing reactionaries, intimidation etc. I'm going to hold every Sanders supporter responsible only for their reasons for voting, and only despise them if they approve of what one of his more impassioned supporters did. This logic does not change if the body count was 20, or the protest was 100, or the actors were 50 more members of "Eliminate the Republicans" Facebook Group. Hold the politician accountable (YES judge Trump for his part in this, and impeach and remove), respect the calculus of a binary choice. Trump's impact on the future of America is not just his final two months of the presidency, nor do the "this was always gonna happen, and you voted for it" worthwhile to the continued maintenance of Democracy. Neither is the final tally on "Was it worth it" already written.
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