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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
January 06 2021 22:41 GMT
#59001
Trump said "Stand By" to his Boys. Anyone who couldn't see this coming for the last 4 years had one last chance to open their eyes. Not my problem if their ignorance is catching them out in these moments.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
January 06 2021 22:47 GMT
#59002
It seems people who breached the capitol are being violently and forcefully detained.

NoiR
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26794 Posts
January 06 2021 22:48 GMT
#59003
On January 07 2021 07:41 NewSunshine wrote:
Trump said "Stand By" to his Boys. Anyone who couldn't see this coming for the last 4 years had one last chance to open their eyes. Not my problem if their ignorance is catching them out in these moments.

The shocking enabling of him is as much if not more to blame than Trump’s own abysmal conduct.

He’s not some Lex Luther figure, without people shamefully pandering to him he’d have been as idiotic, but certainly more impotent at immolating things.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43989 Posts
January 06 2021 22:49 GMT
#59004
On January 07 2021 07:39 Broetchenholer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 07:25 Danglars wrote:
On January 07 2021 06:47 ChristianS wrote:
Idk why everybody is raging at Danglars when Introvert was the onevboth sides-ing political violence and + Show Spoiler +
Hmm, need to choose different verbs than “sniping at” or “taking shots at” today
criticizing “weak” Dem politicians for insufficiently condemning riots this summer.

Honestly Danglars I don’t know how you rile everyone up so much. I think xDaunt might have been a literal white nationalist and I still see people on here saying “xDaunt was fine, Danglars is the really bad one.” Don’t get me wrong, I’ve gotten pretty frustrated arguing with you before but I don’t know what it is about your posts that bothers people so much.

I think they've pretty much already told you at this point. I compose a post, and by the time I hit the button, there's already like 8 more posts addressed to me to read.

I just want to hold up a mirror, and ask people if their message for 2022 is "You voted for Trump, which means you're insufficiently intolerant of fascism, and you own today's violence." It sounds a lot different than "Okay, we're going to convince you that redistributing the money from taxes on the rich is a better way of handling the plight of the poor, and we'll pay more attention to the trade policies. We really want to fight against the opium epidemic that is killing off your small towns." It's just a little too much time spent on Democracy=Majority Vote, and too little on Democratic society living with people of different political ideologies (Insert BUT THEIR IDEOLOGY IS REALLY FASCISM shitposter here). I don't really believe there's so many people that dig the shared responsibility anger for the worst act of their politicians, but I try to practice the policy that posters are sincerely relaying their general thoughts (of course, not the ones that tell me they'd likely fight me in a bar or throw an egg at me in the streets, those people I really do think are just playing it up for the internet)

You don't have to act like 64 million people in 2016 and 74 million people in 2020 signed on to political violence in the event of a lost election. I'm reading anger and frustration at the political ideas I represent as the person voicing them. It's much easier to let off steam at anonymous strangers on the internet, rather than that Trump supporter in your family (and I do encourage the most vicious posters here to temper their comments to what they would say to a family member in the flesh that voted differently).


People that vote knowingly for fascists are fascists. People that claim they vote for facscists despite them being fascists and then backpedal when the fascists actually do somthing fascists are fascists. If you accept a fascist for personal political gain over a non fascist, you are a fascist. The only excuse is ignorance. I get that some Americans can claim ignorance. You cannot. You have been debated about the fascism of the Trump movement for 5 years by this forum. You pulled your support too late. And you can't even stop deflecting and blaming the other side when the person you voted for president for has instigated a coup d'etat. Just once, take the blame. You enabled an antidemocratic madmen and it has destabilized your country. You knew what you did, you did not care.

x100
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-06 22:53:16
January 06 2021 22:50 GMT
#59005
The woman who was shot in the capitol building has died. Also the deadliest day yet in the fucking plague going on.

I got an amber alert blareing on my phone not that long ago. That was not what I needed tonight.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
January 06 2021 22:50 GMT
#59006
The women who was shot in the capital has died. Right out of a distopean film right here. Hope the violence does not spill over into the city
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
January 06 2021 22:52 GMT
#59007
On January 07 2021 07:47 Nouar wrote:
It seems people who breached the capitol are being violently and forcefully detained.

https://twitter.com/davidhastweets/status/1346939946507014146


Lol my God the contrast to the blm protests.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
January 06 2021 22:53 GMT
#59008
On January 07 2021 07:49 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 07:39 Broetchenholer wrote:
On January 07 2021 07:25 Danglars wrote:
On January 07 2021 06:47 ChristianS wrote:
Idk why everybody is raging at Danglars when Introvert was the onevboth sides-ing political violence and + Show Spoiler +
Hmm, need to choose different verbs than “sniping at” or “taking shots at” today
criticizing “weak” Dem politicians for insufficiently condemning riots this summer.

Honestly Danglars I don’t know how you rile everyone up so much. I think xDaunt might have been a literal white nationalist and I still see people on here saying “xDaunt was fine, Danglars is the really bad one.” Don’t get me wrong, I’ve gotten pretty frustrated arguing with you before but I don’t know what it is about your posts that bothers people so much.

I think they've pretty much already told you at this point. I compose a post, and by the time I hit the button, there's already like 8 more posts addressed to me to read.

I just want to hold up a mirror, and ask people if their message for 2022 is "You voted for Trump, which means you're insufficiently intolerant of fascism, and you own today's violence." It sounds a lot different than "Okay, we're going to convince you that redistributing the money from taxes on the rich is a better way of handling the plight of the poor, and we'll pay more attention to the trade policies. We really want to fight against the opium epidemic that is killing off your small towns." It's just a little too much time spent on Democracy=Majority Vote, and too little on Democratic society living with people of different political ideologies (Insert BUT THEIR IDEOLOGY IS REALLY FASCISM shitposter here). I don't really believe there's so many people that dig the shared responsibility anger for the worst act of their politicians, but I try to practice the policy that posters are sincerely relaying their general thoughts (of course, not the ones that tell me they'd likely fight me in a bar or throw an egg at me in the streets, those people I really do think are just playing it up for the internet)

You don't have to act like 64 million people in 2016 and 74 million people in 2020 signed on to political violence in the event of a lost election. I'm reading anger and frustration at the political ideas I represent as the person voicing them. It's much easier to let off steam at anonymous strangers on the internet, rather than that Trump supporter in your family (and I do encourage the most vicious posters here to temper their comments to what they would say to a family member in the flesh that voted differently).


People that vote knowingly for fascists are fascists. People that claim they vote for facscists despite them being fascists and then backpedal when the fascists actually do somthing fascists are fascists. If you accept a fascist for personal political gain over a non fascist, you are a fascist. The only excuse is ignorance. I get that some Americans can claim ignorance. You cannot. You have been debated about the fascism of the Trump movement for 5 years by this forum. You pulled your support too late. And you can't even stop deflecting and blaming the other side when the person you voted for president for has instigated a coup d'etat. Just once, take the blame. You enabled an antidemocratic madmen and it has destabilized your country. You knew what you did, you did not care.

x100

Absolutely, hit the nail right on the head, Broetchenholer
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
January 06 2021 22:55 GMT
#59009
On January 07 2021 07:52 Starlightsun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 07:47 Nouar wrote:
It seems people who breached the capitol are being violently and forcefully detained.

https://twitter.com/davidhastweets/status/1346939946507014146


Lol my God the contrast to the blm protests.

These people attack our country's democratic process in broad daylight for the whole world to see and they get escorted out of the building with the police holding their hands like a parent walking their child across the street. Fucking disgusting.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8744 Posts
January 06 2021 22:56 GMT
#59010
I foresee something juicy brewing. the fallout from this will WANT Republicans to disentangle from Trump asap - kinda like Danglars () - one can hope for impeachment. interesting will be how the electoral college defectors will be handled. here things are very much in flux.

one thing's for certain though.

Trump will not go down quietly. motherfucker is a nihilistic narcissist, and oh so sure of himself.

I hope for him to do something stupid. so we can have actual fireworks, like Rs going after him by throwing the book at him and him martyring himself and taking the base with him.


Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-06 22:58:16
January 06 2021 22:58 GMT
#59011
On January 07 2021 07:56 Doublemint wrote:
I foresee something juicy brewing. the fallout from this will WANT Republicans to disentangle from Trump asap - kinda like Danglars () - one can hope for impeachment. interesting will be how the electoral college defectors will be handled. here things are very much in flux.

one thing's for certain though.

Trump will not go down quietly. motherfucker is a nihilistic narcissist, and oh so sure of himself.

I hope for him to do something stupid. so we can have actual fireworks, like Rs going after him by throwing the book at him and him martyring himself and taking the base with him.



impeachment or 25th amendment are definitely possibilities, republican leadership knows what this means as it hits dinner time airwaves and they need to act
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
January 06 2021 22:58 GMT
#59012
Ugh, CBS has a little moment here where they blame BLM protests having worn down the police for why the cops are being such fuckin' pushovers to these MAGA coup people.

Seriously, this is like the perfect way to show how disgustingly egregiously different black and brown people are treated by law enforcement in this country. Even when they're not the ones doing anything they're going to catch some blame for it.

https://twitter.com/brendanstan1ey/status/1346952051339767809?s=20
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-06 22:59:40
January 06 2021 22:59 GMT
#59013
On January 07 2021 07:56 Doublemint wrote:
I foresee something juicy brewing. the fallout from this will WANT Republicans to disentangle from Trump asap - kinda like Danglars () - one can hope for impeachment. interesting will be how the electoral college defectors will be handled. here things are very much in flux.

one thing's for certain though.

Trump will not go down quietly. motherfucker is a nihilistic narcissist, and oh so sure of himself.

I hope for him to do something stupid. so we can have actual fireworks, like Rs going after him by throwing the book at him and him martyring himself and taking the base with him.


Did they count finish, I heard nothing about that.
If they redo the count I would expect there to be no one contesting the result.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
January 06 2021 22:59 GMT
#59014
If there isn't a second impeachment with a conviction, then we're basically admitting to the world that the rule of law means nothing in this country and that the next President might as well be as openly corrupt as they wish.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
January 06 2021 23:00 GMT
#59015
The count has not been finished, but they saved the original ballots when they sheltered in place and it sounds like there's agreement among many legislators that they won't leave until they complete the certification
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
January 06 2021 23:00 GMT
#59016
Makes me wonder what inauguration day's gonna look like.

I do think part of the reason why they didn't go full ham is simply because it's the Capitol. You can't fire willy nilly in there, if i'm not mistaken it's a quite historic building (and interior).

.. not that i actually think that's the entire reason, that would be the skin colour, but i do think it plays part.

I do think though they should've waltzed in there in riot gear and beat the living shit out of every single one of them before actually arresting them, rather than shooing them out of the building like the little rats they are.
On track to MA1950A.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26794 Posts
January 06 2021 23:01 GMT
#59017
On January 07 2021 07:55 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 07:52 Starlightsun wrote:
On January 07 2021 07:47 Nouar wrote:
It seems people who breached the capitol are being violently and forcefully detained.

https://twitter.com/davidhastweets/status/1346939946507014146


Lol my God the contrast to the blm protests.

These people attack our country's democratic process in broad daylight for the whole world to see and they get escorted out of the building with the police holding their hands like a parent walking their child across the street. Fucking disgusting.

Democratic processes are mere abstract ideological constructs, god forbid folks damage some property though...

I do think it’s not 100% comparable here, I’ve been in work so haven’t seen actual images to visualise the scene. While not entirely surprising by any means this is day 1 of an emerging situation, not day x of an ongoing series of protests and confrontations.

What does seem of undeniable concern is why there were delays in the deployment of additional support, the national guard etc as this situation escalated as it did.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2787 Posts
January 06 2021 23:01 GMT
#59018
Curfew in effect. Let us see if police want to actually uphold the law this time.
Unity, support, family, and kneecapping bitches.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22369 Posts
January 06 2021 23:07 GMT
#59019
On January 07 2021 08:00 m4ini wrote:
Makes me wonder what inauguration day's gonna look like.

I do think part of the reason why they didn't go full ham is simply because it's the Capitol. You can't fire willy nilly in there, if i'm not mistaken it's a quite historic building (and interior).

.. not that i actually think that's the entire reason, that would be the skin colour, but i do think it plays part.

I do think though they should've waltzed in there in riot gear and beat the living shit out of every single one of them before actually arresting them, rather than shooing them out of the building like the little rats they are.
I would expect everything to be locked off for the inauguration. National Guard deployed with an exclusion zone around the event.

Or they might hold it inside the White House like apparently happened in 1945.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
January 06 2021 23:08 GMT
#59020
Mike Penace now has Biden/kamala banner. This is going to be a fun 14 days teal inauguration. Going to make those calls with Trump real awkward.
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