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On January 07 2021 06:09 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:02 Gorsameth wrote:On January 07 2021 05:19 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 05:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 04:55 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 04:51 TheTenthDoc wrote:On January 07 2021 04:46 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 04:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Danglars, you probably don't want to lecture people about inaccurately appraising the harms of Trump or "worse-than-Trump" while armed Trump supporters have broken into the Capital Building more or less on his behest. I mean if you think the worst that can happen with break-the-system-to-fix-the-system is violent riots in the US capitol to end the presidency of someone who can't admit he lost fair and square, you've got another thing coming. These aren't riots to end the presidency of that man. They're the opposite. You think they have a prayer of succeeding? Man, I can't imagine the fragility of such a constitutional republic. Gimme your honest odds that this mob of however many thousand successfully keep Trump in office beyond January 20th. No they're not going to succeed. But this is still way beyond the pale of what is remotely acceptable to support. Following the post-election events, do you still think Trump was a better choice than Biden? It should be fairly easy by now, regardless of your political affiliation. Alright, on to more of the main questions that should be asked. The post-election events make Biden the better choice retrospectively, all the usual hypothetical assumptions attendant. Go ahead and impeach and remove Trump now for the less hypothetical stuff, he deserves to be removed from office for squatting on Georgia's elected officials and the ceremonies of certifying an election that is finished. Thank you for that, and thank you for admitting that all the people who predicted and feared this for the last few months were right. Trump's speech would inspire this kind of riot at the capitol, or Trump was the end of Democracy? You must be forgetting the kinds of claims that were bandied about earlier. Don't retcon your previous predictions to fit with current reality, bro.
You seriously have no ground to be giving other people shit for retconning their positions on Trump. He hasn't spent the last 5 years caping for an open fascist who has always made it obvious he doesn't care about Democracy. You have.
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On January 07 2021 06:10 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:05 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This is wild.
How did they get past police and tear gas and rubber bullets? Did the police even deploy them for that to be an obstacle?
There were reports of at least some tear gas, although I'm not sure when/where it was being used, or how much.
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By the way Trump is not asking for protesters to leave the grounds or go home, he's just telling them to "stay peaceful".
As always, he's a total no-show, barely paying lip service, and is probably basking at the lengths people can go to support him.
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On January 07 2021 06:10 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:05 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This is wild.
How did they get past police and tear gas and rubber bullets? Did the police even deploy them for that to be an obstacle?
They are outnumbered, there is only so much they can do without resorting to lethal force.
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On January 07 2021 05:50 Nevuk wrote:BTW, this was skipped over but this is a group called "the black KKK", by the actual KKK (they're antisemitic racists listed as a terrorist group by the SPLC)
They were the ones that attacked the Covington Catholic teenagers on their trip to the capitol. Called them fa***** incest kids. White supremacists and black supremacists in America.
Otherwise, only heard about them from New York subway interactions (Vox reporter) and later an act of terrorism against a Jewish school or business.
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On January 07 2021 06:12 Nouar wrote:By the way Trump is not asking for protesters to leave the grounds or go home, he's just telling them to "stay peaceful". As always, he's a total no-show, barely paying lip service, and is probably basking at the lengths people can go to support him. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346912780700577792
The fact that Biden is speaking and Trump isn't, speaks volumes.
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On January 07 2021 06:08 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 05:53 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On January 07 2021 05:50 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 05:32 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Should arrest everyone who is there and not just try to disperse the crowd. Need to make an example so this doesn't happen again. And who is going to arrest them? The security forces are on the side of the people in this matter. The US is not enough of a banana republic for a Ukraine type scenario to go down, though I'm curious to see how the deep red states will stand up to the federal government moving forward. This is why rigging elections in polarized countries is never a good idea. In the eyes of a very large chunk of the country, the government in Washington is illegitimate and came to power through fraud. Why should any state submit to this government? Again, the US is not a banana republic and no amount of foreign meddling can bring it down, but internally questions need to be asked about how much power the federal government can hold over states. Especially because these scenarios might be the norm in the future. The national guard seems to be on their way. Establish a perimeter so you can arrest anyone who is walking away now and then use the guard to round up everyone in/around the buildings later. The police might side with the protesters but the military won't (they know they can get court a martia later on, no union to save you.) And who is giving orders to the military? Say in the next few days mechanisms are put in place to invalidate a rigged election. Would they be acting on the behalf of an illegitimate government or the legitimate one? Both sides will say they are legitimate and the soldiers will be court marshaled as traitors by one side or the other if they intervene. The military will stay by the side as they should. The military picking sides makes everything much more dangerous than it should be.
There is no rigged election. The election will be ratified, Joe Biden will be president. This is not a coup, it's a riot. But it does threaten democracy. There's not going to be any "picking sides" for the national guard, there is only one side.
But right now America is looking weak and that weakness will only lead to more violence and riots if not dealt with. So if the police won't deal with them then the military has to do it. If they don't it will just strengthen this kind of shit in more places and in the future. And probably with more tragic consequences. (Without Trump in office the next time this MAGA crowd tries to breach federal buildings there will be a very different response...).
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On January 07 2021 06:11 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:09 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 06:02 Gorsameth wrote:On January 07 2021 05:19 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 05:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 04:55 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 04:51 TheTenthDoc wrote:On January 07 2021 04:46 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 04:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Danglars, you probably don't want to lecture people about inaccurately appraising the harms of Trump or "worse-than-Trump" while armed Trump supporters have broken into the Capital Building more or less on his behest. I mean if you think the worst that can happen with break-the-system-to-fix-the-system is violent riots in the US capitol to end the presidency of someone who can't admit he lost fair and square, you've got another thing coming. These aren't riots to end the presidency of that man. They're the opposite. You think they have a prayer of succeeding? Man, I can't imagine the fragility of such a constitutional republic. Gimme your honest odds that this mob of however many thousand successfully keep Trump in office beyond January 20th. No they're not going to succeed. But this is still way beyond the pale of what is remotely acceptable to support. Following the post-election events, do you still think Trump was a better choice than Biden? It should be fairly easy by now, regardless of your political affiliation. Alright, on to more of the main questions that should be asked. The post-election events make Biden the better choice retrospectively, all the usual hypothetical assumptions attendant. Go ahead and impeach and remove Trump now for the less hypothetical stuff, he deserves to be removed from office for squatting on Georgia's elected officials and the ceremonies of certifying an election that is finished. Thank you for that, and thank you for admitting that all the people who predicted and feared this for the last few months were right. Trump's speech would inspire this kind of riot at the capitol, or Trump was the end of Democracy? You must be forgetting the kinds of claims that were bandied about earlier. Don't retcon your previous predictions to fit with current reality, bro. You seriously have no ground to be giving other people shit for retconning their positions on Trump. He hasn't spent the last 5 years caping for an open fascist who has always made it obvious he doesn't care about Democracy. You have.
The one invariant over his terms is saying I can't make true points because of [Insert Personal Insult Here]. I get that tensions are high with actual violent riots relating to the election, but that doesn't mean you have to lose your head and blame the nearest scapegoat you can find. It doesn't end well.
On January 07 2021 06:03 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:00 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 05:26 NewSunshine wrote:On January 07 2021 05:22 pmh wrote:
How are these people not beeing removed.
The protest itself imo is not worrying but the lack of action by law enforcement kinda is. Because it's sanctioned by Trump's fucking DoD. This was their plan, and it's what they want. And it's plainly what folks like Danglars want as well. What the fuck are we even doing being worried about armed protesters incited by Trump who have shot somebody, anyway? It's not like they have any chance of succeeding. It's not like the fucking National Guard is just chilling around the corner letting them do their thing. It's not like they're IN the capitol. Fuck all this. I've got no patience for this "debate" about what the problem is. Trump asked his gang of thugs to attack the WH today, and asked his DoD to play nice with them. That's our fucking problem. I want everybody to take a good look at "it's plainly what folks like Danglars want as well" next time somebody cries to me about the tenor of the debate. Take a real good look. Drink it up. Own it. This is not a debate, my dude. It's not a debate. Own your own shit, then come at me for mine.
Read thread title again, and go start your own blog.
Call it "It's sanctioned by Trump's fucking DoD and it's plainly what folks like Danglars want as well."
Otherwise, go punch a pillow until the hate's out and you come back to a debate thread.
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Is it a safe bet that there will likely be an assassination attempt on Biden on Inauguration Day? Before today I would have said that worrying would be an overreaction.
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On January 07 2021 06:16 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 06:11 NewSunshine wrote:On January 07 2021 06:09 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 06:02 Gorsameth wrote:On January 07 2021 05:19 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 05:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 04:55 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 04:51 TheTenthDoc wrote:On January 07 2021 04:46 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 04:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Danglars, you probably don't want to lecture people about inaccurately appraising the harms of Trump or "worse-than-Trump" while armed Trump supporters have broken into the Capital Building more or less on his behest. I mean if you think the worst that can happen with break-the-system-to-fix-the-system is violent riots in the US capitol to end the presidency of someone who can't admit he lost fair and square, you've got another thing coming. These aren't riots to end the presidency of that man. They're the opposite. You think they have a prayer of succeeding? Man, I can't imagine the fragility of such a constitutional republic. Gimme your honest odds that this mob of however many thousand successfully keep Trump in office beyond January 20th. No they're not going to succeed. But this is still way beyond the pale of what is remotely acceptable to support. Following the post-election events, do you still think Trump was a better choice than Biden? It should be fairly easy by now, regardless of your political affiliation. Alright, on to more of the main questions that should be asked. The post-election events make Biden the better choice retrospectively, all the usual hypothetical assumptions attendant. Go ahead and impeach and remove Trump now for the less hypothetical stuff, he deserves to be removed from office for squatting on Georgia's elected officials and the ceremonies of certifying an election that is finished. Thank you for that, and thank you for admitting that all the people who predicted and feared this for the last few months were right. Trump's speech would inspire this kind of riot at the capitol, or Trump was the end of Democracy? You must be forgetting the kinds of claims that were bandied about earlier. Don't retcon your previous predictions to fit with current reality, bro. You seriously have no ground to be giving other people shit for retconning their positions on Trump. He hasn't spent the last 5 years caping for an open fascist who has always made it obvious he doesn't care about Democracy. You have. The one invariant over his terms is saying I can't make true points because of [Insert Personal Insult Here]. I get that tensions are high with actual violent riots relating to the election, but that doesn't mean you have to lose your head and blame the nearest scapegoat you can find. It doesn't end well.
Nah, just you telling other people to own it when you were still not doing it 2hours ago is pretty fucking funny no?
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On January 07 2021 06:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Is it a safe bet that there will likely be an assassination attempt on Biden on Inauguration Day? Before today I would have said that worrying would be an overreaction.
In my eyes anything in person for inauguration day is negligent. Biden needs to be kept in a bunker for the next month.
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Biden or others, honestly. DC should be on high alert for like a year.
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Guliani called for "trial by combat" at their rally this morning. Jesus these people need to be locked up for national security reasons.
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On January 07 2021 06:00 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 05:26 NewSunshine wrote:On January 07 2021 05:22 pmh wrote:
How are these people not beeing removed.
The protest itself imo is not worrying but the lack of action by law enforcement kinda is. Because it's sanctioned by Trump's fucking DoD. This was their plan, and it's what they want. And it's plainly what folks like Danglars want as well. What the fuck are we even doing being worried about armed protesters incited by Trump who have shot somebody, anyway? It's not like they have any chance of succeeding. It's not like the fucking National Guard is just chilling around the corner letting them do their thing. It's not like they're IN the capitol. Fuck all this. I've got no patience for this "debate" about what the problem is. Trump asked his gang of thugs to attack the WH today, and asked his DoD to play nice with them. That's our fucking problem. I want everybody to take a good look at "it's plainly what folks like Danglars want as well" next time somebody cries to me about the tenor of the debate. Take a real good look. Drink it up. Own it.
Remember when you cried about "hysteria" when people with half a brain were expressing concern of trump priming his mentally underdeveloped army of apes?
Drink it up.
Own it, you hypocrite.
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On January 07 2021 06:12 Nouar wrote:By the way Trump is not asking for protesters to leave the grounds or go home, he's just telling them to "stay peaceful". As always, he's a total no-show, barely paying lip service, and is probably basking at the lengths people can go to support him. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346912780700577792
Rumor is he's just THAT pissy that Pence won't do the insane for him. What a pathetic baby.
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Trump is still not stopping. I don't understand why I keep getting surprised about his nonsense, but I still do. Fucking moron.
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That isn't really much of an apology. Yeah he's telling them to go home, but he's propagating the election fraud lies. I don't think the Trump supporters are gonna go home with that.
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Nice rile them up again you howlin bampot
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Just want to say Twitter can burn in hell for refusing to do anything about Trump all this time
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