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On January 07 2021 05:43 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 05:39 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 05:36 Sapaio wrote:
This is terrorisme or am I missing something. You're missing that they're not black or brown. There would have been a coordinated response the likes of which you see for bomb disposal if the perps weren't White. And then we'd be bickering about whether they deserved it for defying authority, and whether they had a knife or some shit. Maybe they'll get some McDonald's before they get prison.
I don't even think they'll get prison. Well get some statement saying "we need unity!" And then we'll try and brush this under the rug without doing anything different going forward.
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Fox News just reported that this literal coup attempt isn't as bad as BLM protests if you ignore all the violence and destruction and at least one person being shot and potentially killed. Wtf.
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https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1346915393349316610?s=20
Us adversaries don't even need propaganda any more, they can just turn cnn on. Absolutely crazy, how do these nutjobs even get within a mile of the capitol. What's that Marx quote from The Eigteenth Brumaire, history repeats itself twice, once as tradegy then as farce? is that what the new civil war is supposed to look like
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Ivanka refered to the terrorists as patriots Before realizing how bad it was and deleting it.
God this really was going to happen the whole time.
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On January 07 2021 05:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Fox News just reported that this literal coup attempt isn't as bad as BLM protests if you ignore all the violence and destruction and at least one person being shot and potentially killed. Wtf.
Well, to be fair, there is no looting and little physical destruction.
However, this is rebellion/treason against american institutions. This is what they are attempting to destroy. Arguably much worse.
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On January 07 2021 05:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Fox News just reported that this literal coup attempt isn't as bad as BLM protests if you ignore all the violence and destruction and at least one person being shot and potentially killed. Wtf.
If everything happening here isn't an excuse to push radical change I don't know what is.
DC statehood HAS to be on the table.
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Do these people realize that this is the absolute end of Trumpism forever or what?
I'm so confused.
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On January 07 2021 05:31 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 05:19 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 05:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 04:55 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 04:51 TheTenthDoc wrote:On January 07 2021 04:46 Danglars wrote:On January 07 2021 04:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Danglars, you probably don't want to lecture people about inaccurately appraising the harms of Trump or "worse-than-Trump" while armed Trump supporters have broken into the Capital Building more or less on his behest. I mean if you think the worst that can happen with break-the-system-to-fix-the-system is violent riots in the US capitol to end the presidency of someone who can't admit he lost fair and square, you've got another thing coming. These aren't riots to end the presidency of that man. They're the opposite. You think they have a prayer of succeeding? Man, I can't imagine the fragility of such a constitutional republic. Gimme your honest odds that this mob of however many thousand successfully keep Trump in office beyond January 20th. No they're not going to succeed. But this is still way beyond the pale of what is remotely acceptable to support. Following the post-election events, do you still think Trump was a better choice than Biden? It should be fairly easy by now, regardless of your political affiliation. Alright, on to more of the main questions that should be asked. The post-election events make Biden the better choice retrospectively, all the usual hypothetical assumptions attendant. Go ahead and impeach and remove Trump now for the less hypothetical stuff, he deserves to be removed from office for squatting on Georgia's elected officials and the ceremonies of certifying an election that is finished. having a clean cut into an after Trump era is, while very much desireable, a fate too good for Republicans. they acted like children and now there is broken glass everywhere. they should get what's coming to them. losing elections is not enough imho to renew it and make it a viable party again. I agree in the sense that elected Republicans who should know better were/are going to protest vote their ceremonial involvement in the electoral college vote. That's acting like children. But remember that doubting the electoral action legitimacy is now complicated in an actual storming of the Capitol building.
Also, "while very much desireable, a fate too good for Republicans?" I thought this was the side opposing the whole retributional theory of justice rofl. At least, I saw a great deal of flowery language as to why this was always wrong when the justice system/reform came up as a topic a month ago.
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Now that this has basically gone nuclear, I'm really curious what changes we see from Cruz. I'm honestly expecting Cruz to say "The election was legitimate and we need to move on. Good day".
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On January 07 2021 05:32 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Should arrest everyone who is there and not just try to disperse the crowd. Need to make an example so this doesn't happen again.
And who is going to arrest them? The security forces are on the side of the people in this matter. The US is not enough of a banana republic for a Ukraine type scenario to go down, though I'm curious to see how the deep red states will stand up to the federal government moving forward. This is why rigging elections in polarized countries is never a good idea. In the eyes of a very large chunk of the country, the government in Washington is illegitimate and came to power through fraud.
Why should any state submit to this government? Again, the US is not a banana republic and no amount of foreign meddling can bring it down, but internally questions need to be asked about how much power the federal government can hold over states. Especially because these scenarios might be the norm in the future.
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On January 07 2021 05:16 plasmidghost wrote:
More groups are arriving
BTW, this was skipped over but this is a group called "the black KKK", by the actual KKK (they're antisemitic racists listed as a terrorist group by the SPLC)
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On January 07 2021 05:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
Do these people realize that this is the absolute end of Trumpism forever or what?
I'm so confused.
I don't think this is true. These people all still voted for him.
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On January 07 2021 05:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
Do these people realize that this is the absolute end of Trumpism forever or what?
I'm so confused.
Depends on how many sane supporters there were. If there was really 45% of true "deplorables", it's not over. I do hope the number will not be over 20% and it's truly finished. We shall see.
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I can only but wonder what the Republican senators were expecting to occur when they publically signed against the electoral college results and told their base that the election results were invalid.
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Maryland and Virginia national guard units are on their way to the capital. that place is going to be locked down for weeks
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On January 07 2021 05:50 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 05:32 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Should arrest everyone who is there and not just try to disperse the crowd. Need to make an example so this doesn't happen again. And who is going to arrest them? The security forces are on the side of the people in this matter. The US is not enough of a banana republic for a Ukraine type scenario to go down, though I'm curious to see how the deep red states will stand up to the federal government moving forward. This is why rigging elections in polarized countries is never a good idea. In the eyes of a very large chunk of the country, the government in Washington is illegitimate and came to power through fraud. Why should any state submit to this government? Again, the US is not a banana republic and no amount of foreign meddling can bring it down, but internally questions need to be asked about how much power the federal government can hold over states. Especially because these scenarios might be the norm in the future.
The national guard seems to be on their way. Establish a perimeter so you can arrest anyone who is walking away now and then use the guard to round up everyone in/around the buildings later.
The police might side with the protesters but the military won't (they know they can get court a martia later on, no union to save you.)
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There are rumors that Mike Pence just unfollowed Donald Trump's main Twitter account from one of Pence's accounts, after Trump blasted Pence for not having the "courage" to hand Trump the election win (which, again, he literally, legally cannot do).
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On January 07 2021 05:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 05:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
Do these people realize that this is the absolute end of Trumpism forever or what?
I'm so confused.
I don't think this is true. These people all still voted for him.
All it takes it to condemn this now and then vote for the same shit in the future.
America has got to do shit radically differently. Imagine if we had a competent aspiring dictator managing shit right now, it would be far scarier.
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On January 07 2021 05:49 Mohdoo wrote:
Now that this has basically gone nuclear, I'm really curious what changes we see from Cruz. I'm honestly expecting Cruz to say "The election was legitimate and we need to move on. Good day".
I dont know about that,republican congressman and senators could also come to the conclusion that they have to object certifying the election results. At this point nothing would surprise me though i would guess trump still has no chance of overturning the election.
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It's really hard to get passed the fact that Trump basically banged this drum as hard as he could and then this happened. This is so clearly his fault.
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