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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On January 07 2021 05:56 Mohdoo wrote: It's really hard to get passed the fact that Trump basically banged this drum as hard as he could and then this happened. This is so clearly his fault. But something something Antifa something something. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8637 Posts
On January 07 2021 05:49 Danglars wrote: I agree in the sense that elected Republicans who should know better were/are going to protest vote their ceremonial involvement in the electoral college vote. That's acting like children. But remember that doubting the electoral action legitimacy is now complicated in an actual storming of the Capitol building. Also, "while very much desireable, a fate too good for Republicans?" I thought this was the side opposing the whole retributional theory of justice rofl. At least, I saw a great deal of flowery language as to why this was always wrong when the justice system/reform came up as a topic a month ago. that's not retribution by any stretch of the imagination. simply tribute for praying at the altar of Trump and sacrificing ideals and principles. you cannot have those crazy frenzied people storming the capitol without them being whipped into a frenzy. something's gotta give. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2649 Posts
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 07 2021 05:26 NewSunshine wrote: Because it's sanctioned by Trump's fucking DoD. This was their plan, and it's what they want. And it's plainly what folks like Danglars want as well. What the fuck are we even doing being worried about armed protesters incited by Trump who have shot somebody, anyway? It's not like they have any chance of succeeding. It's not like the fucking National Guard is just chilling around the corner letting them do their thing. It's not like they're IN the capitol. Fuck all this. I've got no patience for this "debate" about what the problem is. Trump asked his gang of thugs to attack the WH today, and asked his DoD to play nice with them. That's our fucking problem. I want everybody to take a good look at "it's plainly what folks like Danglars want as well" next time somebody cries to me about the tenor of the debate. Take a real good look. Drink it up. Own it. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On January 07 2021 05:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: There are rumors that Mike Pence just unfollowed Donald Trump's main Twitter account from one of Pence's accounts, after Trump blasted Pence for not having the "courage" to hand Trump the election win (which, again, he literally, legally cannot do). He is just preparing to have the @POTUS account for the next 14 days | ||
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Slydie
1927 Posts
On January 07 2021 05:54 Zambrah wrote: All it takes it to condemn this now and then vote for the same shit in the future. America has got to do shit radically differently. Imagine if we had a competent aspiring dictator managing shit right now, it would be far scarier. Yes indeed, and I really hope this is the wakeup call to do significant reforms to make sure it never happens in the future. Fortunately, Trump lacks both experience in politics, long term strategic thinking and 50%+ public support to pull off something like this. If he went straight to strategically installing cronies in the military, CIA and FBI in 2016, this could have been very scary! | ||
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Shingi11
290 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21951 Posts
On January 07 2021 05:19 Danglars wrote: Thank you for that, and thank you for admitting that all the people who predicted and feared this for the last few months were right.Alright, on to more of the main questions that should be asked. The post-election events make Biden the better choice retrospectively, all the usual hypothetical assumptions attendant. Go ahead and impeach and remove Trump now for the less hypothetical stuff, he deserves to be removed from office for squatting on Georgia's elected officials and the ceremonies of certifying an election that is finished. | ||
KwarK
United States43212 Posts
On January 07 2021 05:56 Mohdoo wrote: It's really hard to get passed the fact that Trump basically banged this drum as hard as he could and then this happened. This is so clearly his fault. Trump is who he always has been and has never once attempted to hide it. At a certain point this is blaming the scorpion for stinging the frog. The blame lies with those who thought they could use him if they put him in power. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On January 07 2021 06:00 Danglars wrote: I want everybody to take a good look at "it's plainly what folks like Danglars want as well" next time somebody cries to me about the tenor of the debate. Take a real good look. Drink it up. Own it. This is not a debate, my dude. It's not a debate. Own your own shit, then come at me for mine. On January 07 2021 06:02 Gorsameth wrote: Thank you for that, and thank you for admitting that all the people who predicted and feared this for the last few months were right. *Years | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9716 Posts
On January 07 2021 06:01 Slydie wrote: Yes indeed, and I really hope this is the wakeup call to do significant reforms to make sure it never happens in the future. Fortunately, Trump lacks both experience in politics, long term strategic thinking and 50%+ public support to pull off something like this. If he went straight to strategically installing cronies in the military, CIA and FBI in 2016, this could have been very scary! The first step is to get people to admit that there is a very real link between Trump's behaviour for his entire presidency and this kind of political violence. I don't even think that will happen to be honest. What will happen is republican politicians will now have to take a stance that they don't want to take, and it will cause further splits in Trump's base. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
How did they get past police and tear gas and rubber bullets? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45028 Posts
On January 07 2021 05:48 Nouar wrote: Well, to be fair, there is no looting and little physical destruction. However, this is rebellion/treason against american institutions. This is what they are attempting to destroy. Arguably much worse. They planted a pipe bomb at the RNC headquarters. (It was safely detonated.) | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9135 Posts
On January 07 2021 05:56 Mohdoo wrote: It's really hard to get passed the fact that Trump basically banged this drum as hard as he could and then this happened. This is so clearly his fault. It's worth noting that he believes all of the shit he's been saying, the recent tape makes that quite clear, his ego gaslighted him. The same can't be said of all the other GOP officials, conservative media and pretty much any conservative that is at least semi-literate. Without all of these people discarding their spines to encourage, humor and excuse Trump every step of the way as a means to an end, this mass delusion wouldn't have been possible. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6305 Posts
On January 07 2021 05:53 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: The national guard seems to be on their way. Establish a perimeter so you can arrest anyone who is walking away now and then use the guard to round up everyone in/around the buildings later. The police might side with the protesters but the military won't (they know they can get court a martia later on, no union to save you.) And who is giving orders to the military? Say in the next few days mechanisms are put in place to invalidate a rigged election. Would they be acting on the behalf of an illegitimate government or the legitimate one? Both sides will say they are legitimate and the soldiers will be court marshaled as traitors by one side or the other if they intervene. The military will stay by the side as they should. The military picking sides makes everything much more dangerous than it should be. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 07 2021 06:02 Gorsameth wrote: Thank you for that, and thank you for admitting that all the people who predicted and feared this for the last few months were right. Trump's speech would inspire this kind of riot at the capitol, or Trump was the end of Democracy? You must be forgetting the kinds of claims that were bandied about earlier. Don't retcon your previous predictions to fit with current reality, bro. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26021 Posts
On January 07 2021 06:05 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: This is wild. How did they get past police and tear gas and rubber bullets? Did the police even deploy them for that to be an obstacle? | ||
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