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The city has been leading the Mercer ranking for 11 (?) consecutive years as well.
It is a typical liberal city, but with heavy central planning in matters where space is a scarce resource, e.g. housing (500.000 people live in municipality building), infrastructure and parks (in particular the artificial Danube Island) and since the Greens have been coalition partner a renewed focus on public transportation (365€ yearly), bicycle routes and migrant integration.
The social housing is provided without checking the income or wealth again after it has been provided for social reasons, which has worked heavily against social segregation.
As always the conservatives have been against each and every one of these measures. Good thing they haven't had a say in the city for 100 years now. The current political distribution is between SPÖ/Greens/ÖVP in the inner, wealthy areas and SPÖ/FPÖ in the outer, less wealthy areas. Although an FPÖ/ÖVP coalition might be barely able to break the SPÖ hegemony in the 2020 election.
Those parties, their government and the conservative and populist media are producing a picture of constant rape and knife crimes, corruption, no-go areas, violent leftist/migrant demonstrations and welfare give aways.
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Well the jokes on you because I'm color deficient in blue yellow which means you just attacked me for my disability for not being able to see the period at the end of your name.
And you are forgiven. But that illustrates the issue with article context. Also I don't know what the three letter acronyms mean in English when I assume they reference the names of the party in their native tongue. Is this just a me thing or does it bother other people?
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On August 15 2018 01:45 Sermokala wrote:
Well the jokes on you because I'm color deficient in blue yellow which means you just attacked me for my disability for not being able to see the period at the end of your name.
And you are forgiven. But that illustrates the issue with article context. Also I don't know what the three letter acronyms mean in English when I assume they reference the names of the party in their native tongue. Is this just a me thing or does it bother other people?
Sorry about that. Without going too much into their actual politics and their historical development, in the words of the mainstream media:
SPÖ - Sozialdemokratische Partei Österreichs (früher Sozialistische Partei Österreichs) = social-democrats (formerly socialists)
ÖVP - Österreichische Volkspartei = conservatives
FPÖ - Freiheitliche Partei Österreichs = right-wing populist
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By what measure is Vienna eastern europe? Central Europe at best though I would personally share Austria under western europe.
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Only Sermakola wrote "downgraded the threat of terrorism in eastern europe". Not sure why as the article only mentioned "downgraded threat of militant attacks in western Europe" and "generally improved security outlook for western Europe". I have no idea where he got eastern Europe from, but it's Sermakola, and who knows why his geography is so bad, and how he can turn west to east, and why he is so angry that The Economist as named Vienna as the most livable city in the world.
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The article as it was posted said "downgraded threat of terrorism in the region" and I would consider austria more eastern then western if you would split it into two sections.
I'm not angry Vienna was named the most livable city. I was riffing on the snark about how doing the bare minimum was too hard for the poster. Sent posted "eastern europe" right after my post but don't let simple facts get in the way of your narrative catdog.
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On August 15 2018 04:47 solidbebe wrote:
By what measure is Vienna eastern europe? Central Europe at best though I would personally share Austria under western europe.
People prefer central europe, mainly for coldwar reasons. Austria remained neutral and "Western" was considered NATO states, meanwhile it was definitely not part of the East.
Also it was a strong symbolism against German-nationalism after WW2, as Germany was considered western, so being in a different part of europe helped building the Austrian identity.
In businesses I've personally seen Austria grouped in Central Europe, Central and Eastern Europe, DACH (Germany-Austria-Switzerland) as well as in the "Adriatic region".
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Everything east of the iron curtain is eastern Europe (Warsaw Pact countries). Everything west of the iron curtain is wester Europe I'd say.
Maybe with the exception of the former Yougoslavia.
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On August 15 2018 05:12 Sermokala wrote:
The article as it was posted said "downgraded threat of terrorism in the region" and I would consider austria more eastern then western if you would split it into two sections.
I'm not angry Vienna was named the most livable city. I was riffing on the snark about how doing the bare minimum was too hard for the poster. Sent posted "eastern europe" right after my post but don't let simple facts get in the way of your narrative catdog.
I posted eastern in italics because I thought you made a mistake and I tried to subtly help you notice that.
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I did see that but I had no idea why you posted it in italics.
I mean I can accept that Austria is central Europe. I just assumed that with its geographical position that it would make more sense for the eastern terrorism to be a concern with how the immigration crisis was developing with the eastern countries being a lot more hostile and Austria being next to those countries.
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On August 15 2018 07:26 Sermokala wrote:
I did see that but I had no idea why you posted it in italics.
I mean I can accept that Austria is central Europe. I just assumed that with its geographical position that it would make more sense for the eastern terrorism to be a concern with how the immigration crisis was developing with the eastern countries being a lot more hostile and Austria being next to those countries.
How would that make more sense when there have been 0 attacks in EE? What eastern terrorism are you referring to?
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On August 15 2018 10:07 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 07:26 Sermokala wrote:
I did see that but I had no idea why you posted it in italics.
I mean I can accept that Austria is central Europe. I just assumed that with its geographical position that it would make more sense for the eastern terrorism to be a concern with how the immigration crisis was developing with the eastern countries being a lot more hostile and Austria being next to those countries. How would that make more sense when there have been 0 attacks in EE? What eastern terrorism are you referring to?
Well the topic being discussed was the perceived "threat" of terrorism in the region. The migration crisis and the backlash that nations like hungry made to it could be argued as potential for unrest or terrorism. It doesn't need to be real for the perception of it to be there.
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On August 15 2018 11:23 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 10:07 Dan HH wrote:On August 15 2018 07:26 Sermokala wrote:
I did see that but I had no idea why you posted it in italics.
I mean I can accept that Austria is central Europe. I just assumed that with its geographical position that it would make more sense for the eastern terrorism to be a concern with how the immigration crisis was developing with the eastern countries being a lot more hostile and Austria being next to those countries. How would that make more sense when there have been 0 attacks in EE? What eastern terrorism are you referring to? Well the topic being discussed was the perceived "threat" of terrorism in the region. The migration crisis and the backlash that nations like hungry made to it could be argued as potential for unrest or terrorism. It doesn't need to be real for the perception of it to be there.
Don't triple down on this, 'the region' is not the one you are referring to. Even before the article was updated, it said in Sent's quote "In addition to the generally improved security outlook for western Europe [...]". Though it would have been just as clear to everyone else here without being specified.
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On August 15 2018 11:36 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 11:23 Sermokala wrote:On August 15 2018 10:07 Dan HH wrote:On August 15 2018 07:26 Sermokala wrote:
I did see that but I had no idea why you posted it in italics.
I mean I can accept that Austria is central Europe. I just assumed that with its geographical position that it would make more sense for the eastern terrorism to be a concern with how the immigration crisis was developing with the eastern countries being a lot more hostile and Austria being next to those countries. How would that make more sense when there have been 0 attacks in EE? What eastern terrorism are you referring to? Well the topic being discussed was the perceived "threat" of terrorism in the region. The migration crisis and the backlash that nations like hungry made to it could be argued as potential for unrest or terrorism. It doesn't need to be real for the perception of it to be there. Don't triple down on this, 'the region' is not the one you are referring to. Even before the article was updated, it said in Sent's quote "In addition to the generally improved security outlook for western Europe [...]". Though it would have been just as clear to everyone else here without being specified.
I'm explaining why I made the mistake. Believe it or not austria has borders with both obviously western euro countries and obviously eastern euro countries.
I don't get this hostility you seem to have for no reason.
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On August 15 2018 11:59 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 11:36 Dan HH wrote:On August 15 2018 11:23 Sermokala wrote:On August 15 2018 10:07 Dan HH wrote:On August 15 2018 07:26 Sermokala wrote:
I did see that but I had no idea why you posted it in italics.
I mean I can accept that Austria is central Europe. I just assumed that with its geographical position that it would make more sense for the eastern terrorism to be a concern with how the immigration crisis was developing with the eastern countries being a lot more hostile and Austria being next to those countries. How would that make more sense when there have been 0 attacks in EE? What eastern terrorism are you referring to? Well the topic being discussed was the perceived "threat" of terrorism in the region. The migration crisis and the backlash that nations like hungry made to it could be argued as potential for unrest or terrorism. It doesn't need to be real for the perception of it to be there. Don't triple down on this, 'the region' is not the one you are referring to. Even before the article was updated, it said in Sent's quote "In addition to the generally improved security outlook for western Europe [...]". Though it would have been just as clear to everyone else here without being specified. I'm explaining why I made the mistake. Believe it or not austria has borders with both obviously western euro countries and obviously eastern euro countries. I don't get this hostility you seem to have for no reason.
Alright, I didn't realize you consider the part about where you claimed the perceived terrorism threat is as a mistake.
As for hostility, the phrase 'don't let facts get in the way of your narrative' which is almost always used in support of BS is a pet peeve of mine.
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On August 15 2018 05:12 Sermokala wrote:
The article as it was posted said "downgraded threat of terrorism in the region" and I would consider austria more eastern then western if you would split it into two sections.
How about no?
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On August 15 2018 05:38 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 04:47 solidbebe wrote:
By what measure is Vienna eastern europe? Central Europe at best though I would personally share Austria under western europe. People prefer central europe, mainly for coldwar reasons. Austria remained neutral and "Western" was considered NATO states, meanwhile it was definitely not part of the East. Also it was a strong symbolism against German-nationalism after WW2, as Germany was considered western, so being in a different part of europe helped building the Austrian identity. In businesses I've personally seen Austria grouped in Central Europe, Central and Eastern Europe, DACH (Germany-Austria-Switzerland) as well as in the "Adriatic region".
Austria isn't part of the eastern European culture at the very least. We think quite differently nowadays, but mainly about social liberties like same sex marriage and non-Christian religions. I'd say their old historic friend, Hungary, is a lot closer in that case.
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On August 18 2018 17:50 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 05:38 Big J wrote:On August 15 2018 04:47 solidbebe wrote:
By what measure is Vienna eastern europe? Central Europe at best though I would personally share Austria under western europe. People prefer central europe, mainly for coldwar reasons. Austria remained neutral and "Western" was considered NATO states, meanwhile it was definitely not part of the East. Also it was a strong symbolism against German-nationalism after WW2, as Germany was considered western, so being in a different part of europe helped building the Austrian identity. In businesses I've personally seen Austria grouped in Central Europe, Central and Eastern Europe, DACH (Germany-Austria-Switzerland) as well as in the "Adriatic region". Austria isn't part of the eastern European culture at the very least. We think quite differently nowadays, but mainly about social liberties like same sex marriage and non-Christian religions. I'd say their old historic friend, Hungary, is a lot closer in that case.
Many Austrians believe Slavic people are inferior, Slavic cultures are lazy, criminal, aggressive and the only thing they are good for is producing hot girls (which are gold-diggers).
Things have been changing through a focus of (the same xenophobes that used to agitate against Eastern and Balkan migration) on Islam and their alliances with Eastern nationalists and conservatives lately.
Still, people don't see Eastern Europe positively and don't want to be a part of it.
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On August 18 2018 18:49 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 17:50 sc-darkness wrote:On August 15 2018 05:38 Big J wrote:On August 15 2018 04:47 solidbebe wrote:
By what measure is Vienna eastern europe? Central Europe at best though I would personally share Austria under western europe. People prefer central europe, mainly for coldwar reasons. Austria remained neutral and "Western" was considered NATO states, meanwhile it was definitely not part of the East. Also it was a strong symbolism against German-nationalism after WW2, as Germany was considered western, so being in a different part of europe helped building the Austrian identity. In businesses I've personally seen Austria grouped in Central Europe, Central and Eastern Europe, DACH (Germany-Austria-Switzerland) as well as in the "Adriatic region". Austria isn't part of the eastern European culture at the very least. We think quite differently nowadays, but mainly about social liberties like same sex marriage and non-Christian religions. I'd say their old historic friend, Hungary, is a lot closer in that case. Many Austrians believe Slavic people are inferior, Slavic cultures are lazy, criminal, aggressive and the only thing they are good for is producing hot girls (which are gold-diggers). Things have been changing through a focus of (the same xenophobes that used to agitate against Eastern and Balkan migration) on Islam and their alliances with Eastern nationalists and conservatives lately. Still, people don't see Eastern Europe positively and don't want to be a part of it.
You should see Brits in Sunny Beach when they notice that 2L of beer costs 1.5 euro or something. Or, this one odd cheap westerner who goes to Bulgaria and complains about anything just to get something for free from hotel as a compliment. I'm just trying to say that there are crappy people in almost any nation. For instance, when I was living in the UK, I'm confident I had better manners and financial independence compared to some British people.
Also, I don't know about other Eastern Europeans, but Bulgarians work hard so they get a job in the west relatively easy. If they don't work hard in Bulgaria, it's usually low morale because of salary which is why you see immigrants.
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Foreign intelligence service officials are openly critizising the government for the police raid on the Austrian inteligence service BVT and are cutting bonds, since their data is not secure with Austrians for the time being.
Vladmir Putin has visited the foreign minister's, Karin Kneissl's, wedding for some backroom coordination with the far-right and the conservatives, before visiting Germany.
The national bank gets a new board, and apparently the far-right's choices for governeur (ranks number 1) and vice president (number 3) seem more reasonable than the party solider the conservatives are sending as president (number 2).
A few incidents of far-right and conservative party members announcing their hatred against Africans and "niggers and faggots".
So nothing out of the ordinary in Austria in the past week, what's happening in the rest of europe?
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