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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 22 2018 21:54 GMT
#23381
Austria seems to be making a push to become the Florida of Europe, but with fewer swamp people.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
August 23 2018 07:33 GMT
#23382
Austria doesn't need to have swamp people, they have enough mountain people.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18132 Posts
August 23 2018 08:01 GMT
#23383
On August 23 2018 06:54 Plansix wrote:
Austria seems to be making a push to become the Florida of Europe, but with fewer swamp people.

I thought Benidorm was Europe's Florida.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
August 23 2018 09:28 GMT
#23384
On August 23 2018 06:54 Plansix wrote:
Austria seems to be making a push to become the Florida of Europe, but with fewer swamp people.


Is Florida well known for racism and nastiness?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1947 Posts
August 23 2018 11:24 GMT
#23385
It must infuriate you so much to have to be part of a society that voted FPÖ into power. I dread the moment i have to realize 25% of germans vote for AfD and they somehow are now part of the govermnet coalition. I think i would have to instantly migrate to a better country. Netherlands maybe?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 23 2018 13:31 GMT
#23386
On August 23 2018 18:28 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2018 06:54 Plansix wrote:
Austria seems to be making a push to become the Florida of Europe, but with fewer swamp people.


Is Florida well known for racism and nastiness?

Oh yes. And stupidity. I strongly recommend the twitter humor account “Florida Man” which to get a real picture of how amazing that state is. All the news articles that twitter account links are real and staggering in their stupidity I would wager there is no equal to it in all of the EU.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 23 2018 13:32 GMT
#23387
On August 23 2018 20:24 Broetchenholer wrote:
It must infuriate you so much to have to be part of a society that voted FPÖ into power. I dread the moment i have to realize 25% of germans vote for AfD and they somehow are now part of the govermnet coalition. I think i would have to instantly migrate to a better country. Netherlands maybe?


In spite of everything I still believe that people are really good at heart.
- Anne Frank
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-23 17:17:57
August 23 2018 17:17 GMT
#23388
Yes, and we all know the fate of Anne Frank.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
August 23 2018 17:25 GMT
#23389
Anne Frank's fate and her knowledge of it while writing her diary strengthens the resolution in her words. It doesn't weaken it.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-23 21:04:27
August 23 2018 21:02 GMT
#23390
It does, seeing as no amount of faith in the goodness of humanity actually saved her from dying miserably in a nazi concentration camp, whilst her compatriots that managed to flee in time or remain hidden managed to live.

We do not have a private record of her inner thoughts whilst she witnessed and suffered the horrors of such, as opposed to her recorded thoughts whilst she was being safely hidden, helped by the Dutch,
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9733 Posts
August 29 2018 16:18 GMT
#23391
Yo what's going on in Germany with the far right at the moment? Any of you guys seen any of this first hand?
I'm just wondering whether its as insane as the media are making out or what...
RIP Meatloaf <3
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-29 16:41:31
August 29 2018 16:38 GMT
#23392
after some sort of knife attack, neo-nazis organised and took it to the streets, and the police wasn't able to handle it which now has sparked a debate whether Chemnitz/Saxony is systemically failing to contain the far-right. On top of it some police documents about the knife attack where apparently leaked from the police to the far-right, and nobody knows who is responsible, so know it's basically a political scandal rather than just a police failure.

If you ask me a big reason for this is thas Germany has barely any real federal police authority. We need to increase federal oversight to clean this stuff up. Something similar was proposed a while ago.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 29 2018 17:20 GMT
#23393
It seems opportunistic by the far right groups, rallying around a stabbing with little information, no one in custody and no real cause for the level of outrage being shown. Considering the organization happened on social media, it is not surprising the local police were caught flat footed. There are so many ways for these groups to organize and no one, not even the services themselves, has the ability to watch them all.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-29 19:10:39
August 29 2018 19:09 GMT
#23394
A few days before that a "Pegida" demonstration took place in Dresden. A TV team that was filming the event was apparently hindered by the police in doing so and one of the demonstrants became a running meme on German social media for telling the TV team that filming him was a crime and they have to stop (and because he is so hilariously dressed). It turned out that this guy was another member of the regional police force in his private time.

The picture that is being received by many leftwingers in the past days is that the police is heavily protecting far-right groups and always argue that "they couldn't handle the situation in time and wanted to prevent escalation", while leftist demonstrations are regularily handled with water canons.
In particular Nazi salutes seem to be factually decriminalized these days.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1366 Posts
August 29 2018 22:28 GMT
#23395
We are running full speed towards something horrible. Everyone so devided,so much hate and so little understanding for the other side.
First time in my life that I have seen it this bad, both in the usa as well as in Europe. World is going in wrong direction. Are we not supposed to make progress and become better people all the time? It is difficult to remain optimistic for this century of human development.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21963 Posts
August 29 2018 23:58 GMT
#23396
On August 30 2018 07:28 pmh wrote:
We are running full speed towards something horrible. Everyone so devided,so much hate and so little understanding for the other side.
First time in my life that I have seen it this bad, both in the usa as well as in Europe. World is going in wrong direction. Are we not supposed to make progress and become better people all the time? It is difficult to remain optimistic for this century of human development.
Progress is a pendulum that swing both ways. In general it slowly pulls towards progress but from time to time there is a reaction to the opposite side.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10132 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-30 03:08:25
August 30 2018 03:07 GMT
#23397
On August 30 2018 07:28 pmh wrote:
We are running full speed towards something horrible. Everyone so devided,so much hate and so little understanding for the other side.
First time in my life that I have seen it this bad, both in the usa as well as in Europe. World is going in wrong direction. Are we not supposed to make progress and become better people all the time? It is difficult to remain optimistic for this century of human development.

This was foretold as soon as 2010 because of the recession. Nobody listened back then and now people act surprised. We saw it first in Greece, we got some hope when Syriza turned the tables with the increasing pro-nazi groups getting more and more support, but the EU kicked their teeth out and made an example out of them.

Speaking of fascism. Another stepping stone is on its way to be closed in Spain and its relationship with fascism.

Spain moves closer to exhuming dictator Franco's remains

Spain’s government took a step closer on Friday to removing the remains of dictator Francisco Franco from a grand mausoleum that it intends to turn into a memorial to victims of the country’s brutal civil war.

“We don’t want to dig up ghosts we have happily forgotten,” PP leader Pablo Casado said on Thursday, adding his party would appeal against the decree but had not decided how to vote on it.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-franco/spains-govt-passes-decree-to-exhume-remains-of-dictator-franco-idUSKCN1L9176


And obviously, Ciudadanos and PP will fight teeth and nails against whatever the PSOE pretends to do with it afterward. Luckily they won't be able to stop it.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 30 2018 13:50 GMT
#23398
On August 30 2018 08:58 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2018 07:28 pmh wrote:
We are running full speed towards something horrible. Everyone so devided,so much hate and so little understanding for the other side.
First time in my life that I have seen it this bad, both in the usa as well as in Europe. World is going in wrong direction. Are we not supposed to make progress and become better people all the time? It is difficult to remain optimistic for this century of human development.
Progress is a pendulum that swing both ways. In general it slowly pulls towards progress but from time to time there is a reaction to the opposite side.

Although I agree with this, I dislike the framing of pendulum. It gives the impression that progress is a force of nature, rather than a product of hard work by people. Progress is a fight against the status quo, just like regression. Forward movement to a more just and enlighten society is not the nature course or guaranteed. One of the reasons these far right groups have gotten a foothold is because the previous generation become complacent.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21963 Posts
August 30 2018 15:14 GMT
#23399
On August 30 2018 22:50 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2018 08:58 Gorsameth wrote:
On August 30 2018 07:28 pmh wrote:
We are running full speed towards something horrible. Everyone so devided,so much hate and so little understanding for the other side.
First time in my life that I have seen it this bad, both in the usa as well as in Europe. World is going in wrong direction. Are we not supposed to make progress and become better people all the time? It is difficult to remain optimistic for this century of human development.
Progress is a pendulum that swing both ways. In general it slowly pulls towards progress but from time to time there is a reaction to the opposite side.

Although I agree with this, I dislike the framing of pendulum. It gives the impression that progress is a force of nature, rather than a product of hard work by people. Progress is a fight against the status quo, just like regression. Forward movement to a more just and enlighten society is not the nature course or guaranteed. One of the reasons these far right groups have gotten a foothold is because the previous generation become complacent.
Fair enough.
A Tug of war is probably a more apt description, if one side gets complacent and stops pulling the rope will move in the other direction.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 30 2018 15:24 GMT
#23400
On August 30 2018 22:50 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2018 08:58 Gorsameth wrote:
On August 30 2018 07:28 pmh wrote:
We are running full speed towards something horrible. Everyone so devided,so much hate and so little understanding for the other side.
First time in my life that I have seen it this bad, both in the usa as well as in Europe. World is going in wrong direction. Are we not supposed to make progress and become better people all the time? It is difficult to remain optimistic for this century of human development.
Progress is a pendulum that swing both ways. In general it slowly pulls towards progress but from time to time there is a reaction to the opposite side.

Although I agree with this, I dislike the framing of pendulum. It gives the impression that progress is a force of nature, rather than a product of hard work by people. Progress is a fight against the status quo, just like regression. Forward movement to a more just and enlighten society is not the nature course or guaranteed. One of the reasons these far right groups have gotten a foothold is because the previous generation become complacent.


Just to clarify what that means in your picture: progress is the opposite of conservativism.

This is the original left-right divide. The conservative right, who defend the church, the king, the existing rights, or even reactionaries who want more of such principles vs the left, who enivision "a more just order" (with differentiations of what "just" means).

As long as the liberals and the socialists are divided, or even worse, trying to be conservatives on issues that they believe are "historic achievments", that long the conservatives will run rampant.
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