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On August 02 2018 07:05 Plansix wrote:
Tiny point: The Hijab covers the head, hair and neck(sometimes). They don't cover the face. The Denmark law bans veils, called a niqab, which cover the face.
Other than that, I think the law is misguided in its intent. It places the burden on Muslim women who wear the niqab(who are already a minority within Muslim culture) to push against the fundamentalist tradition of their communities. I fear the end result is that they will be forced by that community to not leave the house or stay out of sight, rather than switch over to the more open hijab.
Whatever DF may say, they're not doing this to support a more liberal interpretation of Islam, they're doing it to make it harder to practice Islam in Denmark, which is something their electorate wants to see. In practice, I highly doubt very many people are going to get these fines, and the policemen's union are warning their members to be careful with this one, as they feel they lack proper instruction on how to enforce this new law. All in all, a classic DF style storm in a teacup.
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On August 02 2018 03:31 basedFinn wrote:
Tommy Robinson released on bail and a rehearing will be scheduled. It's interesting that the UK recognized that there was no due process in his arrest.
He's known as far-right in the UK. I assume that's because he is the leader of EDL, who's goal is to fight against Muslim jihad that they believe is happening in the UK. He was jailed in connection to his protesting closed hearing's involving child sex gangs in the UK.
Found this interesting, many people in the US find him to be a symbol for free speech. What do you guys think?
Tommy Robinson is a thug and a lowlife and the EDL is a national embarrassment.
If anyone in the US likes him or what he's doing, they should likewise feel embarrassed. Even most of the right wing in the UK hates the EDL. They just run around shouting racist bullshit and pissing people off. And despite what Robinson's supporters say, he left the EDL because everyone hated it, and him, and he realised he wasn't going to get anywhere with them. Every venture he touches has the same trajectory and ends up in the same position.
I mean. The Sun... THE SUN says of Tommy Robinson: "Tommy Robinson is not a freedom fighter. He is a nasty thug and a grandstanding idiot." The Sun is one of our most right wing papers without becoming the Daily Fail.
And here's why he was arrested: "The far-right activist was given 10 months for contempt of court, which he admitted, and a further three months for breaching a previous suspended sentence."
There was no failure of due process in his arrest. You're completely misunderstanding the problem. The reason he was released was because he was sentenced so quickly, and the judge didn't properly lay out the exact contempt of court that occurred. In other words his arrest was fine, the sentencing was messed up.
Anyway, since you have your facts muddled, here's an article about it from the Daily Fail, which is actually pretty neutral, given they're one of the papers with a more favourable view of the giant tosser: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6013407/Tommy-Robinson-learn-appeal-outcome.html
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On August 02 2018 07:52 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2018 03:31 basedFinn wrote:
Tommy Robinson released on bail and a rehearing will be scheduled. It's interesting that the UK recognized that there was no due process in his arrest.
He's known as far-right in the UK. I assume that's because he is the leader of EDL, who's goal is to fight against Muslim jihad that they believe is happening in the UK. He was jailed in connection to his protesting closed hearing's involving child sex gangs in the UK.
Found this interesting, many people in the US find him to be a symbol for free speech. What do you guys think? He's sabotaging his own cause by derailing the grooming trials. I don't see why he'd be a symbol of free speech in the US, they understand the concept of contempt of court across the Atlantic as well. I doubt 'many people in the US' even heard his name. Perhaps he's a hero of free speech in a certain drab corner on the internet by virtue of disliking the same groups of people they do.
I have a lot of US friends who are Tommy fanboys mostly because they get their news from Sargon of Akkad. Among Trump supporting conservatives in the US, they see Britain similarly to how most European nationalists view Sweden.
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On August 02 2018 18:59 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2018 07:52 Dan HH wrote:On August 02 2018 03:31 basedFinn wrote:
Tommy Robinson released on bail and a rehearing will be scheduled. It's interesting that the UK recognized that there was no due process in his arrest.
He's known as far-right in the UK. I assume that's because he is the leader of EDL, who's goal is to fight against Muslim jihad that they believe is happening in the UK. He was jailed in connection to his protesting closed hearing's involving child sex gangs in the UK.
Found this interesting, many people in the US find him to be a symbol for free speech. What do you guys think? He's sabotaging his own cause by derailing the grooming trials. I don't see why he'd be a symbol of free speech in the US, they understand the concept of contempt of court across the Atlantic as well. I doubt 'many people in the US' even heard his name. Perhaps he's a hero of free speech in a certain drab corner on the internet by virtue of disliking the same groups of people they do. I have a lot of US friends who are Tommy fanboys mostly because they get their news from Sargon of Akkad. Among Trump supporting conservatives in the US, they see Britain similarly to how most European nationalists view Sweden.
Trump supporters see Britain as a multicultural hellhole that is going to end up like the USA, aka what European nationalists think of Sweden?
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I remember when Sargon of Akkad was a baby youtuber in 2014, defending video game boobies and attacking women for having opinions about video games. Love to see he has brought that critical eye to politics, defending shit heels internationally.
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This Tommy Robinson guy isn't even on my radar. I can only imagine that he can only be a figurehead in the US for something or another because they frequent some sort of media I do not.
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United Kingdom10021 Posts
Tommy is a criminal and a case study in hypocrisy.
Here's a guy who got arrested for assaulting a police officer (who was trying to stop him from beating up his own girlfriend) - who has made a career out of claiming that muslims have no respect for the laws of our country. He even took his assumed name from a famous criminal.
Anyone who follows him should take a long hard look at their opinions and where they get them from.
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On August 02 2018 19:20 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2018 18:59 Shiragaku wrote:On August 02 2018 07:52 Dan HH wrote:On August 02 2018 03:31 basedFinn wrote:
Tommy Robinson released on bail and a rehearing will be scheduled. It's interesting that the UK recognized that there was no due process in his arrest.
He's known as far-right in the UK. I assume that's because he is the leader of EDL, who's goal is to fight against Muslim jihad that they believe is happening in the UK. He was jailed in connection to his protesting closed hearing's involving child sex gangs in the UK.
Found this interesting, many people in the US find him to be a symbol for free speech. What do you guys think? He's sabotaging his own cause by derailing the grooming trials. I don't see why he'd be a symbol of free speech in the US, they understand the concept of contempt of court across the Atlantic as well. I doubt 'many people in the US' even heard his name. Perhaps he's a hero of free speech in a certain drab corner on the internet by virtue of disliking the same groups of people they do. I have a lot of US friends who are Tommy fanboys mostly because they get their news from Sargon of Akkad. Among Trump supporting conservatives in the US, they see Britain similarly to how most European nationalists view Sweden. Multicultural hellhole Trump supporters see Britain as a multicultural hellhole that is going to end up like the USA, aka what European nationalists think of Sweden?
Yep, more or less.
Also POLAND STRONK AND BASED ORBAN and all that garbage.
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so our expats came home, august being the holiday/vacation/break from work month and the anti gov. protests (re)started.
(it's estimated that ~25%(~4mil. people) of our total population went abroad to work since '89. most(some) want to come back but not under the current management so to say; obv. not all of them came this month and not all of them are protesting, i just threw in some stats).
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/08/romanians-rally-government-day-180811174822046.html
Tensions are high in Romania as thousands of anti-government protesters have taken to the streets for a second consecutive evening, a day after more than 450 people were injured in violence with police.
Demonstrators carrying Romanian, European Union and other flags rallied on Saturday outside government offices in the capital, Bucharest, the same place where Friday's protest took place.
Friday's rally was attended by many expatriates who returned to Romania to express their anger over what they say is entrenched high-level corruption, low wages, and attempts by the ruling Social Democrat (PSD) party to weaken the judiciary. (for more of the same: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45156598 )
according to the Jandarmerie statements + Show Spoiler +there were some "compact and well organized groups" within the protesters that started the violence. shit went downhill from there.
+ Show Spoiler +
there will be another protest today(expected be the most peaceful).
overall - arrests were made, penal cases opened and the Gendarmerie is being investigated by the Military Parchet(don't know the western equivalent but it's run by general prosecutors affiliated with specific courts of appeal) for its method of intervention at the protests.
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Interesting, the Greens poll at about 15% now and are only 2%-3% away from becoming the second biggest party.
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It's a very hot summer and the CDU/CSU is busy with migration topics. Once it becomes necessary they will drop the "climate change measures kill our industry", "regulation is communism" and "don't forget about all the opportunities when all of Germany can grow wine" propaganda.
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Zurich15366 Posts
Also never underestimate the Green's capacity to self destruct from historic polling heights. See 2013.
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Does it require amazing foresight to realize that global warming will cause migration movements 10 times larger than whatever 'issue' we are facing now?
If you are so against migration (of people nearer the equator to Europe) you should be very in favor of tackling climate change, and the reductions in meat, gas, oil and general consumerism that come with it.
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The forces against migration and the forces that keep us from fighting climate change effectively are related, but they aren't exactly the same.
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On August 14 2018 16:36 solidbebe wrote:
Does it require amazing foresight to realize that global warming will cause migration movements 10 times larger than whatever 'issue' we are facing now?
If you are so against migration (of people nearer the equator to Europe) you should be very in favor of tackling climate change, and the reductions in meat, gas, oil and general consumerism that come with it.
They believe in some flying guy above/around them that has never been spotted but who apparently can do amazing things and who apparently is better than the flying guy(s) that other people believe in.
Why would they believe in something as "vague" as climate change if superguy will fix everything anyways?
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Because it gets warmer around them?
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On August 14 2018 23:56 Velr wrote:
Because it gets warmer around them?
Because of all the gay liberal Muslim terrorist migrants around them?!
More people = more heat
More gay = more heat
More liberal = more Sex and weed = more heat
More Muslim = more heat because of veils
More terrorist = more hidden bomb devices everywhere = more heat
More migrants = more heat because they bring it with them from the South
Wake up sheeple (more wool = more heat)!
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Vienna was named world's most liveable city. This statement is devoid of my own opinion. This article is about Vienna being named world's most liveable city. This sentence provides a brief summary on what the article is about.
Vienna named world's most liveable city as Melbourne loses crownMelbourne has been dislodged by Vienna for the first time at the top of the Economist Intelligence Unit’s global liveability index, strengthening the Austrian capital’s claim to being the world’s most pleasant city to live in. The two metropolises have been neck and neck in the annual survey of 140 urban centres for years, with Melbourne clinching the title for the past seven editions. This year, a downgraded threat of militant attacks in western Europe as well as the city’s low crime rate helped nudge Vienna into first place. “While in the past couple of years cities in Europe were affected by the spreading perceived threat of terrorism in the region, which caused heightened security measures, the past year has seen a return to normalcy,” the EIU said on Tuesday. Vienna and Melbourne scored maximum points in the healthcare, education and infrastructure categories. But while Melbourne extended its lead in the culture and environment component, that was outweighed by Vienna’s improved stability ranking. Osaka, Calgary and Sydney completed the top five in the survey, which the EIU says tends to favour medium-sized cities in wealthy countries, often with relatively low population densities. Much larger and more crowded cities tend to have higher crime rates and more strained infrastructure, it said. In addition to the generally improved security outlook for western Europe, Vienna benefited from its low crime rate, the survey’s editor, Roxana Slavcheva, said. “One of the sub-categories that Vienna does really well in is the prevalence of petty crime ... It’s proven to be one of the safest cities in Europe,” she said. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/14/vienna-named-worlds-most-liveable-city-as-melbourne-loses-crown
Supporting statement: I think the subject is relevant because it's about European cities getting safer and generally better to live in and this thread is about European politics. I also think this subject could use some discussion because I find it interesting and currently there are no more-important topics occupying the European spotlight like Bulgarian cows being in peril.
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Not wanting to show basic respect to your fellow posters is so funny sent.
You didn't even post the source outside of your quote so its even harder to click on.
Your "supporting statement" doesn't track with what you even quoted. The reason vienna got the title back is beacuse they downgraded the threat of terrorism in eastern europe. Because apparently Austria is more stable then Australia.
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It's Sent. Show me some basic respect and spell it correctly, please.
Sorry, I though it's nicer to post the sources inside the quote so they take up less space.
Melbourne held the title for 7 years which means it was rated better than Vienna before the threat of terrorism in eastern europe started being a hot topic. I couldn't find the Economist Intelligence Unit’s definition of stability. Sorry for that, fellow poster.
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