Gaza war 2014 - Page 75

On August 01 2014 00:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
Because that's why the 2 sides are in conflict. If they were all jews, all arabs, or all the same religion we wouldn't have this issue.

On August 01 2014 00:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
Because that's why the 2 sides are in conflict. If they were all jews, all arabs, or all the same religion we wouldn't have this issue.

On August 01 2014 00:13 EtherealBlade wrote:

Neither side was a very religious society at the start of the conflict if that's what you mean, but this has been changing with time. Even then, this is still not about religion.

On August 01 2014 00:15 xM(Z wrote:
Henry Siegman, Leading Voice of U.S. Jewry, on Gaza: "A Slaughter of Innocents"
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/30/henry_siegman_leading_voice_of_us
it talks, among others, about Israel politics and says that they have a parliamentary caucus, the largest parliamentary caucus in Israels Knesset (which the Likud leads), that is dedicated to stopping any type/form/kind of government to establish a Palestinian state anywhere in Israel.
it also talks about the past and says that the Zionist terrorists were the first to kill civilians then the Arabs followed and how the heads of those Zionist organizations became PMs

On August 01 2014 00:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
Maybe better put would be if they were all the same culture.

Every habitable place on earth "Displaces others" welcome to earth.

The people driving war rhetoric on both sides seem to be distinctly religious, regardless of the overall level of "secularity" on each side.

On August 01 2014 00:22 EtherealBlade wrote:

That's true, it also seems that the more religiously motivated a side gets in this war the less willing they are to negotiate with the other.

On August 01 2014 00:19 DinoMight wrote:



Dude the airport in Tel Aviv is named after a terrorist, David Ben Gurion:

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee
of its Arab population.”

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

These are quotes from the guy who founded Israel.

On August 01 2014 00:30 xM(Z wrote:

Dude, you are preaching to the choir

On August 01 2014 00:19 DinoMight wrote:



Dude the airport in Tel Aviv is named after a terrorist, David Ben Gurion:

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee
of its Arab population.”

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

These are quotes from the guy who founded Israel.

On August 01 2014 00:48 Koorb wrote:


Would you care to provide us with some solid sources for these quotes ? Because, you see, the kind of shady websites that Google finds when I look for these sentences do not exactly bode well for the veracity of your discourse...

People in Gaza are resisting this aggression because they want a better and normal life and, even while crying in sorrow, pain, and terror, they reject a temporary truce that does not provide a real chance for a better future. A voice under the attacks in Gaza is that of Um Al Ramlawi who speaks for all in Gaza: “They are killing us all anyway—either a slow death by the siege, or a fast one by military attacks. We have nothing left to lose—we must fight for our rights, or die trying.”

Gaza has been blockaded by sea and land since 2006. Any individual of Gaza, including fishermen venturing beyond 3 nautical miles of the coast of Gaza, face being shot by the Israeli Navy. No one from Gaza can leave from the only two checkpoints, Erez or Rafah, without special permission from the Israelis and the Egyptians, which is hard to come by for many, if not impossible. People in Gaza are unable to go abroad to study, work, visit families, or do business. Wounded and sick people cannot leave easily to get specialised treatment outside Gaza. Entries of food and medicines into Gaza have been restricted and many essential items for survival are prohibited.3 Before the present assault, medical stock items in Gaza were already at an all time low because of the blockade.3 They have run out now. Likewise, Gaza is unable to export its produce. Agriculture has been severely impaired by the imposition of a buffer zone, and agricultural products cannot be exported due to the blockade. 80% of Gaza's population is dependent on food rations from the UN.

Much of Gaza's buildings and infrastructure had been destroyed during Operation Cast Lead, 2008—09, and building materials have been blockaded so that schools, homes, and institutions cannot be properly rebuilt. Factories destroyed by bombardment have rarely been rebuilt adding unemployment to destitution.

Despite the difficult conditions, the people of Gaza and their political leaders have recently moved to resolve their conflicts “without arms and harm” through the process of reconciliation between factions, their leadership renouncing titles and positions, so that a unity government can be formed abolishing the divisive factional politics operating since 2007. This reconciliation, although accepted by many in the international community, was rejected by Israel. The present Israeli attacks stop this chance of political unity between Gaza and the West Bank and single out a part of the Palestinian society by destroying the lives of people of Gaza. Under the pretext of eliminating terrorism, Israel is trying to destroy the growing Palestinian unity. Among other lies, it is stated that civilians in Gaza are hostages of Hamas whereas the truth is that the Gaza Strip is sealed by the Israelis and Egyptians.

On July 31 2014 06:31 Jormundr wrote:

Gaza - 139 sq m - about half of which is occupied as a buffer zone for israeli invasion forces so lets say 70 sq miles
Population - 1.8 million
1.8 million people / 70 sq miles = population density of 25714 people per sq mile
For reference that's a little less than new york city proper and a little more than los angeles.

This shit about "near civilians" is pure fucking bullshit - they literally have nowhere else to go.

First, there's the notion among some people that Hamas's use of human shields is a myth. The reality is that Amnesty International has already stated,
In previous conflicts Amnesty International has documented that Palestinian armed groups have stored munitions in and fired indiscriminate rockets from residential areas in the Gaza Strip in violation of international humanitarian law. Reports have also emerged during the current conflict of Hamas urging residents to ignore Israeli warnings to evacuate.
Furthermore, Amnesty International (while vehemently urging Israel to cease military activities) has stated Hamas is violating international law by storing rockets in civilian areas and urging people not to leave their homes after being warned by Israel of impending attacks:

As explained above, in previous conflicts Amnesty International has documented that Palestinian armed groups have stored munitions in and fired indiscriminate rockets from residential areas in the Gaza Strip, and available evidence indicates that they continue to do both during the current hostilities, in violation of international humanitarian law. During the current hostilities, Hamas spokespeople have reportedly urged residents in some areas of the Gaza Strip not to leave their homes after the Israeli military dropped leaflets and made phone calls warning people in the area to evacuate.
Amnesty International has also declared, "Hamas has also continued to fire hundreds of indiscriminate rockets into Israel in violation of international law, killing two Israeli civilians and injuring others."

In addition, UNRWA in UNRWA CONDEMNS PLACEMENT OF ROCKETS, FOR A SECOND TIME, IN ONE OF ITS SCHOOLS states unequivocally that Hamas stores rockets in civilian centers:

Today, in the course of the regular inspection of its premises, UNRWA discovered rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip.
...UNRWA strongly and unequivocally condemns the group or groups responsible for this flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law.
It isn't a myth that Hamas hides rockets in civilian centers; it's a reality that UNRWA and the IDF know all too well.

On August 01 2014 00:17 Nyxisto wrote:
I personally don't know who 'wins' this hate contest but I also don't really care. Anti-Semitism and islamophobia have reached ridiculous levels in most of Europe. I don't know what it is with this continent but these völkisch movements gaining ground again is just sad.

A few days ago here in Cologne after one of the protests I met some Jews that said that they're not wearing their Kippah openly any more because they'll fear that they get attacked, I think that's just completely unacceptable. What worries me most is that this time it's not the politicians that are fuelling the resentments against Jews, but it's actually the people as a whole that are acting incredibly indifferent.

On July 31 2014 21:28 r.Evo wrote:

You're not reading your own source. The article linked talks about ~26000 "primary antisemitic people" which is less than 0.03% of the total population. So, what about those 20% that get called "somewhat antisemitic"?

Statements that counted towards said position:
"Jewish people have too much influence."
"Jewish people have a (partial) credit in their prosecution."
"Jewish people try and gain (e.g. monetary) advantages from the Holocaust today."
Also "Identifying the state of Isreal with Jewish people (!!)" and "Comparing the politics of Israel with the German politics of WW2"

...if you agree to any of those statements you're part of those 20% that get called "secondary antisemitic" or "latently antisemitic" . That's why that number is so huge compared to the measly 0.03% - it actually includes completely understandable and also valid criticism. Yes, I do consider being confused about spending money for things that are gone since 70 years as "gaining advantages" for example. Such a point of view is lightyears away from the aforementioned 0.03% that actually are antisemitic in the original meaning of the word.

On July 31 2014 20:26 Broetchenholer wrote:There is no basis for antisemitism in germany.

Hamas spokespeople have reportedly urged residents in some areas of the Gaza Strip not to leave their homes after the Israeli military dropped leaflets and made phone calls warning people in the area to evacuate.