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On October 12 2012 05:08 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:02 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 04:55 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 04:54 S_SienZ wrote:On October 12 2012 04:50 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 04:49 S_SienZ wrote:On October 12 2012 04:45 zalz wrote:
Just because you can't handle a display of sexuality doesn't mean other people have to save your feelings.
Oke, so you aren't comfortable with a gay parade. What part of the world is it where the government puts a gun in your neck and forces you to go there?
I don't like communists rallying, doesn't mean they should be denied the right to do so.
Where exactly do you get off making the leap from:
"I am uncomfortable with sex"
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"Other people must live life the way I dictate" When was the last time you saw a straight pride parade? No? Because straight people never felt the need to feel special. If LGBTs want to be treated like everyone else they should start doing so themselves. There are far better ways to raise awareness nowadays with the internet and all. You don't see straight pride parades because people aren't assaulted and murdered for being straight, and they don't have to fight for more rights to openly express their heterosexuality. I'm sorry, but that's a stupid argument. There are far better ways to raise awareness nowadays Who are you to decide that? They're not hurting anybody and they should have the right to assembly and protest just like everyone else. True. However, there have been times where things get out of control sexually and I am vividly reminded of those street fairs which really, REALLY should take place inside. Maybe I'm biased because I find it offensive on a personal level that to some people sex isn't sacred, but it's not like I have the right to change their minds on that...just please keep it where other people who might not want to see it won't see it? I don't think it's really too much to ask but of course whenever I bring this up to anyone, I get slammed as being "anti-gay" or...something. Edit: To address your edit, yes, some people in the LGBT crowd do think they're "special" like that (being one of that crowd, I know some personally) but it's a vocal minority that gives the whole group a bad image, and that is not fair to anyone. Public indecency laws already apply to everyone, I'm not sure what additional measures you'd like to see implemented.
I guess better enforcement is all...
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On October 12 2012 05:08 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:06 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 05:04 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:02 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 04:55 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 04:54 S_SienZ wrote:On October 12 2012 04:50 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 04:49 S_SienZ wrote:On October 12 2012 04:45 zalz wrote:
Just because you can't handle a display of sexuality doesn't mean other people have to save your feelings.
Oke, so you aren't comfortable with a gay parade. What part of the world is it where the government puts a gun in your neck and forces you to go there?
I don't like communists rallying, doesn't mean they should be denied the right to do so.
Where exactly do you get off making the leap from:
"I am uncomfortable with sex"
too
"Other people must live life the way I dictate" When was the last time you saw a straight pride parade? No? Because straight people never felt the need to feel special. If LGBTs want to be treated like everyone else they should start doing so themselves. There are far better ways to raise awareness nowadays with the internet and all. You don't see straight pride parades because people aren't assaulted and murdered for being straight, and they don't have to fight for more rights to openly express their heterosexuality. I'm sorry, but that's a stupid argument. There are far better ways to raise awareness nowadays Who are you to decide that? They're not hurting anybody and they should have the right to assembly and protest just like everyone else. True. However, there have been times where things get out of control sexually and I am vividly reminded of those street fairs which really, REALLY should take place inside. Maybe I'm biased because I find it offensive on a personal level that to some people sex isn't sacred, but it's not like I have the right to change their minds on that...just please keep it where other people who might not want to see it won't see it? I don't think it's really too much to ask but of course whenever I bring this up to anyone, I get slammed as being "anti-gay" or...something. I'm offended that people believe in gods and what not. I think religious conventions be forced to be indoors only. See where I'm going? No, because a lot of them already are indoors... Pretty sure most sex is too so the analogy holds just fine. Do you think all religion should be forced to only be indoors?
At least they should be forced to stop ringing fucking bells. But this is derailing the topic. Whoever thinks it is a good idea to ring a bell for fucking 15 minutes at 8 am on a Sunday is insane.
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On October 12 2012 05:09 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:08 FuzzyJAM wrote:On October 12 2012 05:06 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 05:04 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:02 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 04:55 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 04:54 S_SienZ wrote:On October 12 2012 04:50 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 04:49 S_SienZ wrote:On October 12 2012 04:45 zalz wrote:
Just because you can't handle a display of sexuality doesn't mean other people have to save your feelings.
Oke, so you aren't comfortable with a gay parade. What part of the world is it where the government puts a gun in your neck and forces you to go there?
I don't like communists rallying, doesn't mean they should be denied the right to do so.
Where exactly do you get off making the leap from:
"I am uncomfortable with sex"
too
"Other people must live life the way I dictate" When was the last time you saw a straight pride parade? No? Because straight people never felt the need to feel special. If LGBTs want to be treated like everyone else they should start doing so themselves. There are far better ways to raise awareness nowadays with the internet and all. You don't see straight pride parades because people aren't assaulted and murdered for being straight, and they don't have to fight for more rights to openly express their heterosexuality. I'm sorry, but that's a stupid argument. There are far better ways to raise awareness nowadays Who are you to decide that? They're not hurting anybody and they should have the right to assembly and protest just like everyone else. True. However, there have been times where things get out of control sexually and I am vividly reminded of those street fairs which really, REALLY should take place inside. Maybe I'm biased because I find it offensive on a personal level that to some people sex isn't sacred, but it's not like I have the right to change their minds on that...just please keep it where other people who might not want to see it won't see it? I don't think it's really too much to ask but of course whenever I bring this up to anyone, I get slammed as being "anti-gay" or...something. I'm offended that people believe in gods and what not. I think religious conventions be forced to be indoors only. See where I'm going? No, because a lot of them already are indoors... Pretty sure most sex is too so the analogy holds just fine. Do you think all religion should be forced to only be indoors? Maybe you guys didn't get what I was specifically referring to. I wasn't sure it was so good to bring it up here...
Yeah, I wasn't quite sure, and it sounded as though you were referring to people having sex in public places, which is definitely illegal and shouldn't have been happening if it did lol. Could you clarify?
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On October 12 2012 05:11 armada[sb] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:09 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 05:08 FuzzyJAM wrote:On October 12 2012 05:06 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 05:04 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:02 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 04:55 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 04:54 S_SienZ wrote:On October 12 2012 04:50 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 04:49 S_SienZ wrote:
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When was the last time you saw a straight pride parade? No? Because straight people never felt the need to feel special.
If LGBTs want to be treated like everyone else they should start doing so themselves. There are far better ways to raise awareness nowadays with the internet and all. You don't see straight pride parades because people aren't assaulted and murdered for being straight, and they don't have to fight for more rights to openly express their heterosexuality. I'm sorry, but that's a stupid argument. There are far better ways to raise awareness nowadays Who are you to decide that? They're not hurting anybody and they should have the right to assembly and protest just like everyone else. True. However, there have been times where things get out of control sexually and I am vividly reminded of those street fairs which really, REALLY should take place inside. Maybe I'm biased because I find it offensive on a personal level that to some people sex isn't sacred, but it's not like I have the right to change their minds on that...just please keep it where other people who might not want to see it won't see it? I don't think it's really too much to ask but of course whenever I bring this up to anyone, I get slammed as being "anti-gay" or...something. I'm offended that people believe in gods and what not. I think religious conventions be forced to be indoors only. See where I'm going? No, because a lot of them already are indoors... Pretty sure most sex is too so the analogy holds just fine. Do you think all religion should be forced to only be indoors? Maybe you guys didn't get what I was specifically referring to. I wasn't sure it was so good to bring it up here... Yeah, I wasn't quite sure, and it sounded as though you were referring to people having sex in public places, which is definitely illegal and shouldn't have been happening if it did lol. Could you clarify?
Um, basically yes. And there's a minority in the LGBT group that claims that stopping that is anti-gay. (There are crazies in every group...) Trouble is people are seeing EVERY member of the LGBT group that way which is just ridiculous.
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On October 12 2012 05:11 armada[sb] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:09 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 05:08 FuzzyJAM wrote:On October 12 2012 05:06 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 05:04 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:02 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 04:55 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 04:54 S_SienZ wrote:On October 12 2012 04:50 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 04:49 S_SienZ wrote:
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When was the last time you saw a straight pride parade? No? Because straight people never felt the need to feel special.
If LGBTs want to be treated like everyone else they should start doing so themselves. There are far better ways to raise awareness nowadays with the internet and all. You don't see straight pride parades because people aren't assaulted and murdered for being straight, and they don't have to fight for more rights to openly express their heterosexuality. I'm sorry, but that's a stupid argument. There are far better ways to raise awareness nowadays Who are you to decide that? They're not hurting anybody and they should have the right to assembly and protest just like everyone else. True. However, there have been times where things get out of control sexually and I am vividly reminded of those street fairs which really, REALLY should take place inside. Maybe I'm biased because I find it offensive on a personal level that to some people sex isn't sacred, but it's not like I have the right to change their minds on that...just please keep it where other people who might not want to see it won't see it? I don't think it's really too much to ask but of course whenever I bring this up to anyone, I get slammed as being "anti-gay" or...something. I'm offended that people believe in gods and what not. I think religious conventions be forced to be indoors only. See where I'm going? No, because a lot of them already are indoors... Pretty sure most sex is too so the analogy holds just fine. Do you think all religion should be forced to only be indoors? Maybe you guys didn't get what I was specifically referring to. I wasn't sure it was so good to bring it up here... Yeah, I wasn't quite sure, and it sounded as though you were referring to people having sex in public places, which is definitely illegal and shouldn't have been happening if it did lol. Could you clarify?
at first i thought about that but then i thought clearly no one is ridiculous enough to think that has anything to do with the current subject since those people would promptly be arrested as per current indecency laws which apply to everyone.
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Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me.
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On October 12 2012 05:13 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:11 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 05:09 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 05:08 FuzzyJAM wrote:On October 12 2012 05:06 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 05:04 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:02 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 04:55 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 04:54 S_SienZ wrote:On October 12 2012 04:50 armada[sb] wrote:
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You don't see straight pride parades because people aren't assaulted and murdered for being straight, and they don't have to fight for more rights to openly express their heterosexuality. I'm sorry, but that's a stupid argument. There are far better ways to raise awareness nowadays Who are you to decide that? They're not hurting anybody and they should have the right to assembly and protest just like everyone else. True. However, there have been times where things get out of control sexually and I am vividly reminded of those street fairs which really, REALLY should take place inside. Maybe I'm biased because I find it offensive on a personal level that to some people sex isn't sacred, but it's not like I have the right to change their minds on that...just please keep it where other people who might not want to see it won't see it? I don't think it's really too much to ask but of course whenever I bring this up to anyone, I get slammed as being "anti-gay" or...something. I'm offended that people believe in gods and what not. I think religious conventions be forced to be indoors only. See where I'm going? No, because a lot of them already are indoors... Pretty sure most sex is too so the analogy holds just fine. Do you think all religion should be forced to only be indoors? Maybe you guys didn't get what I was specifically referring to. I wasn't sure it was so good to bring it up here... Yeah, I wasn't quite sure, and it sounded as though you were referring to people having sex in public places, which is definitely illegal and shouldn't have been happening if it did lol. Could you clarify? Um, basically yes. And there's a minority in the LGBT group that claims that stopping that is anti-gay. (There are crazies in every group...) Trouble is people are seeing EVERY member of the LGBT group that way which is just ridiculous.
Man, I've never even heard of that perception in the LGBT community. Are you sure it isn't just a small offshoot that you heard on the news once and have assumed that the LGBT community is now perceived that way? I would say that stereotype has definitely not permeated into general mainstream thought, but that's only from my personal thoughts and could very well be wrong....
On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me.
Because that's what society has decided upon? I'd say it's more of an issue when it's discriminating particularly against a particular group. The ban on sex is universal. I mean, there is some validity to your point, but it might be slightly offtopic, no?
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On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me.
Please tell me you are joking...
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On October 12 2012 05:17 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me. Please tell me you are joking...
What's wrong with the thing he said? What's so scary about people shagging?
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On October 12 2012 05:17 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me. Please tell me you are joking...
Nope, I'm being serious, just playing devils advocate here.
We need to draw a line somewhere on when it's ok to force your discomfort on other people and when it's not ok. I'm curious where you will place it.
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On October 12 2012 05:18 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:17 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me. Please tell me you are joking... What's wrong with the thing he said? What's so scary about people shagging?
Really nothing except "the kids" argument.
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On October 12 2012 05:16 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:13 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 05:11 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 05:09 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 05:08 FuzzyJAM wrote:On October 12 2012 05:06 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 05:04 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:02 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 04:55 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 04:54 S_SienZ wrote:
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[quote] Who are you to decide that? They're not hurting anybody and they should have the right to assembly and protest just like everyone else. True. However, there have been times where things get out of control sexually and I am vividly reminded of those street fairs which really, REALLY should take place inside. Maybe I'm biased because I find it offensive on a personal level that to some people sex isn't sacred, but it's not like I have the right to change their minds on that...just please keep it where other people who might not want to see it won't see it? I don't think it's really too much to ask but of course whenever I bring this up to anyone, I get slammed as being "anti-gay" or...something. I'm offended that people believe in gods and what not. I think religious conventions be forced to be indoors only. See where I'm going? No, because a lot of them already are indoors... Pretty sure most sex is too so the analogy holds just fine. Do you think all religion should be forced to only be indoors? Maybe you guys didn't get what I was specifically referring to. I wasn't sure it was so good to bring it up here... Yeah, I wasn't quite sure, and it sounded as though you were referring to people having sex in public places, which is definitely illegal and shouldn't have been happening if it did lol. Could you clarify? Um, basically yes. And there's a minority in the LGBT group that claims that stopping that is anti-gay. (There are crazies in every group...) Trouble is people are seeing EVERY member of the LGBT group that way which is just ridiculous. Man, I've never even heard of that perception in the LGBT community. Are you sure it isn't just a small offshoot that you heard on the news once and have assumed that the LGBT community is now perceived that way? I would say that stereotype has definitely not permeated into general mainstream thought, but that's only from my personal thoughts and could very well be wrong....
More like an offshoot I've met. x-x
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On October 12 2012 05:18 armada[sb] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:18 Djzapz wrote:On October 12 2012 05:17 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me. Please tell me you are joking... What's wrong with the thing he said? What's so scary about people shagging? Really nothing except "the kids" argument.
Right, but people use that same exact argument against gays. That they want to "protect their children" from seeing that sort of thing.
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On October 12 2012 05:18 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:17 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me. Please tell me you are joking... What's wrong with the thing he said? What's so scary about people shagging?
Well, I don't think most people want to see people dry-humping or fingering each other or practicing bondage when they walk out their front door...at least, I mean, I really wouldn't.
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On October 12 2012 05:18 armada[sb] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:18 Djzapz wrote:On October 12 2012 05:17 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me. Please tell me you are joking... What's wrong with the thing he said? What's so scary about people shagging? Really nothing except "the kids" argument.
There's nothing special in sexuality that damages kids. The stigma is what makes it "bad". If people were raised in societies where people have sex everywhere, they wouldn't mind it.
But right now, kids are shielded from sexuality, and if they come across some of it, mommy will start yelling like a lunatic because little Timothy saw Janet Jackson's tit on national television. It's only bad for the kids because we say it is.
On October 12 2012 05:20 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:18 Djzapz wrote:On October 12 2012 05:17 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me. Please tell me you are joking... What's wrong with the thing he said? What's so scary about people shagging? Well, I don't think most people want to see people dry-humping or fingering each other or practicing bondage when they walk out their front door...at least, I mean, I really wouldn't.
So, you're saying that You really wouldn't :O
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On October 12 2012 05:22 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:18 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 05:18 Djzapz wrote:On October 12 2012 05:17 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me. Please tell me you are joking... What's wrong with the thing he said? What's so scary about people shagging? Really nothing except "the kids" argument. There's nothing special in sexuality that damages kid. The stigma is what makes it "bad". If people were raised in societies where people have sex everywhere, they wouldn't mind it. But right now, kids are shielded from sexuality, and if they come across some of it, mommy will start yelling like a lunatic because little Timothy saw Janet Jackson's tit on national television. It's only bad for the kids because we say it is.
To me it depends on the context.
Edit to respond to your edit: And I wouldn't want to see that, nor would anyone I know.
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On October 12 2012 05:19 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:18 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 05:18 Djzapz wrote:On October 12 2012 05:17 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me. Please tell me you are joking... What's wrong with the thing he said? What's so scary about people shagging? Really nothing except "the kids" argument. Right, but people use that same exact argument against gays. That they want to "protect their children" from seeing that sort of thing.
Yup, I'm of the opinion that sex is natural and beautiful and there's really nothing to be offended or disturbed by. I think people who want to "protect their children" from sex are misguided. Sex created us, and our children will have their own children by having sex. Should we pretend it doesn't happen? Lie to our kids and tell them the stork dropped them into the damn chimney?
I like this, it's an interesting topic of discussion.
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On October 12 2012 05:18 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:17 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me. Please tell me you are joking... Nope, I'm being serious, just playing devils advocate here. We need to draw a line somewhere on when it's ok to force your discomfort on other people and when it's not ok. I'm curious where you will place it.
I realize youre playing devils advocate but really thats taking it and running off a cliff.
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On October 12 2012 05:22 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:18 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 05:18 Djzapz wrote:On October 12 2012 05:17 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me. Please tell me you are joking... What's wrong with the thing he said? What's so scary about people shagging? Really nothing except "the kids" argument. There's nothing special in sexuality that damages kids. The stigma is what makes it "bad". If people were raised in societies where people have sex everywhere, they wouldn't mind it. But right now, kids are shielded from sexuality, and if they come across some of it, mommy will start yelling like a lunatic because little Timothy saw Janet Jackson's tit on national television. It's only bad for the kids because we say it is. Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:20 tMomiji wrote:On October 12 2012 05:18 Djzapz wrote:On October 12 2012 05:17 heliusx wrote:On October 12 2012 05:16 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Why is arresting people for having sex in public a good thing? Suppose I think sex in public is good and should be allowed, and you are imposing your discomfort on me. Please tell me you are joking... What's wrong with the thing he said? What's so scary about people shagging? Well, I don't think most people want to see people dry-humping or fingering each other or practicing bondage when they walk out their front door...at least, I mean, I really wouldn't. So, you're saying that You really wouldn't :O
I agree wholeheartedly.
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I like how decriminalization in 1991 is seen as the mark of a tolerant society.
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