Ukraine on Gay Propaganda - Page 2

On October 12 2012 04:03 FabledIntegral wrote:


The myth is rather tha HIV is much more common in homosexuals, particularly males, which is very true. That's not a myth when you look at percents. Homosexual males don't need to use a condom as a form of birth control and at the same time anal sex is significantly more likely to contract HIV due to the increased probability of minor cuts being exposed. Just like a heterosexual couple partaking in anal sex is more likely to contract HIV if one of the partners has HIV/AIDS than if they just had vaginal sex.

On October 12 2012 03:55 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
that's good. Sex life should be something private and not something that needs advertising or parades.

On October 12 2012 04:07 Euronyme wrote:
LOL tolerant society decriminalizing homosexuality 1991?
It's only been legal here since 1934...

The bill aims to outlaw any "positive depiction" of gay people, including joining in gay parade marches, same-sex displays of affection (kissing, holding hands), and even watching "gay films" like Brokeback Mountain.

On October 12 2012 03:55 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
that's good. Sex life should be something private and not something that needs advertising or parades.

On October 12 2012 04:08 Klondikebar wrote:


I am skeptical of those statistics (although I won't argue with them too hard). Homosexual men are also much more educated about HIV and are therefore more likely to be regularly tested and diagnosed. Heterosexuals are less educated and less likely to be diagnosed. The sample is very likely biased.

You are very correct that anal sex is more likely to transmit HIV though.

HIV is probably ACTUALLY more common in homosexual men in the developed world but not to the extent that they should be treated differently (aka banned from donating blood).

WASHINGTON, D.C., August 18, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The U.S. Centers for Disease Control has estimated that practicing homosexual men account for 61% of the new HIV infections in the United States while they only amount to about 2% of the country’s population.

Earlier this month, the CDC released estimates for HIV infections from 2006-2009 showing that new infections remained stable at around 50,000 for each of the four years.

Homosexual men (men who have sex with men) accounted for 29,300 of the estimated 48,100 new infections in 2009, and homosexual men aged 13 to 29 accounted for 27% of the new cases.

In 2005, over half of new HIV infections diagnosed in the US were among gay men, and up to one in five gay men living in cities is thought to be HIV positive. Yet two large population surveys showed that most gay men had similar numbers of unprotected sexual partners per year as straight men and women.

National HIV/AIDS Statistics
By the end of 2007, cumulative AIDS diagnoses reached an estimated 1,051,875 including 37,041 in 2007.HIV transmission patterns have shifted over time. Most new HIV infections are among gay and bisexual men (53% in 2006), a smaller share than earlier in the epidemic but the only group for which new infections are on the rise. Heterosexual transmission has accounted for a growing share of new HIV infections over time, representing 31% in 2006, although they have been on the decline in recent years. New infections due to injection drug use have declined significantly over time – by approximately 80% – and accounted for 12% of new infections in 2006.

On October 12 2012 04:08 armada[sb] wrote:


That's good? How in the hell is that good? Gay pride parades being cancelled because of threats of violence, people not being able to show affection to their loved one because of fear of persecution/prosecution, outlawing of homosexuality in media? Explain to me where in this there is any good? I'll be waiting.

Sex life may not need advertising or parades, but equality sure as shit does.

On October 12 2012 04:16 FabledIntegral wrote:


Uhh.... there isn't just one study. There's a ton. It's usually estimated that while homosexual men make up <8% of the male population, they generally consist of near 50% of the males infected with HIV. I know 4 different people with HIV/AIDS, unfortunately all are homosexual and all have their bachelors .



http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cdc-homosexual-men-account-for-61-of-new-hiv-infections-but-only-2-of-popul/



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070913132930.htm



http://www.caresclinic.org/hiv/aids/national-hivaids-statistics.html

On October 12 2012 04:20 Klondikebar wrote:


Jeebus. The last guy who debated this with me only had one iffy study. I stand corrected.

On October 12 2012 04:19 tMomiji wrote:


The problem is the misconception that all gays are like the annoying vocal minority that wants to shove their sexuality in your face and be seen as "special" for it. That minority is ruining it for the rest, the way I see it, which is awful...

On October 12 2012 04:25 armada[sb] wrote:


I'm not sure that it has as much to do with that as it has to do with bigotry, I'm sorry. People have every right to want the freedom to express themselves, and if they do that by expressing their sexuality, then so be it. It's not like homosexuals are going door to door trying to convert people. And what's the problem with them wanting to be seen as special?

On October 12 2012 04:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
TL;DR- White-Ra needs to teach his country that two men performing special tactics on one another is not an abomination.

On October 12 2012 04:31 tMomiji wrote:


Well my point is more that it won't stop it from annoying some people, and these are the VOCAL minority. A lot of people think they speak for the entire group, but they don't.

I think we disagree on the other point though. I see sex as something special that you keep to yourself; something that lets you bond with someone you trust and who is important to you. It's nobody's business what happens in your sex life; nobody's but your own.

The problem with being seen as special for it is that it can (it won't always) lead to feelings of superiority. I don't think gays should get special treatment or attention or privileges at all...just treat them like anyone else.

TLDR - "I only care about someone's sexuality when I'm trying to have sex with that person!"

On October 12 2012 04:16 FabledIntegral wrote:


Uhh.... there isn't just one study. There's a ton. It's usually estimated that while homosexual men make up <8% of the male population, they generally consist of near 50% of the males infected with HIV. I know 4 different people with HIV/AIDS, unfortunately all are homosexual and all have their bachelors . Homosexuality spreads it significantly more faster given their population representation.

1/5 males estimated to have it? That's a definite high enough rate to at least double check the blood.



http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cdc-homosexual-men-account-for-61-of-new-hiv-infections-but-only-2-of-popul/



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070913132930.htm



http://www.caresclinic.org/hiv/aids/national-hivaids-statistics.html

The transmission of HIV among homosexuals and bisexuals does not play as great a role in Ukraine as it does in Western Europe or North America. From 1987 to 2007, 157 cases have been officially recorded, one third of them in 2007 (48 new infections). Indeed it can be assumed that along with the increase in sexual transmission in general, the number of infections among homosexuals is rising as well.

On October 12 2012 03:44 journaIist wrote:
After a rousing service in the church's warehouse-like auditorium focusing on the agonies of sin and bliss of salvation, I meet the chief pastor, Valery Reshetinsky. For him, the fight against homosexuality is a matter of "national security" upon which the survival of the nation depends.

"Here's the issue," says Pastor Reshetinsky, a large-boned man with a slight moustache, tells me. "In a real democracy, my freedom and rights are limited by the freedom of someone else."

In his opinion, freedom of speech for sexual minorities is a violation of what he considers his inalienable right not to have to hear something he finds offensive.

"You can't do everything that you want to do, because there are people who have the exact same rights as you do," he insists.

The pastor goes on to accuse a worldwide conspiracy of Masons, New-Agers, postmodernists and financiers of various nationalities, of imposing ideas that are not "characteristic for Ukraine" on the nation's children.