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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19152 Posts
What if the teleporter is given to a guy who has short term memory and can't remember where he was beforehand? What if the deathnote ability is given to random person with no arms? What if the GH ability is given to a person who doesn't like Bill Murray and has no sense of humor? All in all I choose the teleporter. He/she is the most equipped for combat given these are all normal funcitoning people. | ||
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Orek
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
You could lay a trap to Uncover Omni. Teleport into secure facilities to gather the materials for a nuke. Teleport to hidden spot in urban area and set up cameras. Next day, Inform the world via media outlets that you have hidden a nuke in an urban area. Wait to see who shows up to disarm the nuke (see them on camera), port in, kill him, disarm nuke and port out. To catch time stop guy you want to steal a super fast acting, deadly but curable virus. Anyone who isnt cured within 5 hours will die. Since this is fiction lets say you steal such a thing from a government. Go all moonraker and deploy virus globally through the use of satellites. Time stop guy dies. Groundhog guy will probably just go insane and top himself. Locating deathnote guy would be tricky. Go public, let him come to you. You would need to change your identity to avoid him learning your real name. I suggest a Face Off style approach with some guy from an asylum. He only has a year so he will come for your real name at some point. When he arrives, teleport yourself directly into his testicles. | ||
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VyingsP
France174 Posts
Who is up for this ? (pm) | ||
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On October 03 2012 07:18 hzflank wrote: Teleport guy has plenty of offensive ability. Teleport to location of another guy, unleash bio/nuclear weapon and port out again. Teleport guy also has the easiest way to make money (port into vaults and steal valuable things). You could lay a trap to Uncover Omni. Teleport into secure facilities to gather the materials for a nuke. Teleport to hidden spot in urban area and set up cameras. Next day, Inform the world via media outlets that you have hidden a nuke in an urban area. Wait to see who shows up to disarm the nuke (see them on camera), port in, kill him, disarm nuke and port out. To catch time stop guy you want to steal a super fast acting, deadly but curable virus. Anyone who isnt cured within 5 hours will die. Since this is fiction lets say you steal such a thing from a government. Go all moonraker and deploy virus globally through the use of satellites. Time stop guy dies. Groundhog guy will probably just go insane and top himself. Locating deathnote guy would be tricky. Go public, let him come to you. You would need to change your identity to avoid him learning your real name. I suggest a Face Off style approach with some guy from an asylum. He only has a year so he will come for your real name at some point. When he arrives, teleport yourself directly into his testicles. This assumes the death note guy hasn't watched the death note anime. In the anime, Kira made the mistake of underestimating the intelligence of his opposition, so he left way too many clues. If he had accounted for L right at the start, he would likely not have been discovered. You have to assume that in our game, #3 would be more careful, after all, he does not even have to kill anyone (and show himself) according to the rules. Also, are we certain that teleport guy can take along treasures with him? It's still dangerous, because there could be cameras at various places or he could get in trouble when trying to sell the stuff he took. | ||
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Tor
Canada231 Posts
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Asmodeusx
286 Posts
If they have guns - this guy wins, if swords - that guy wins. If A, than B etc. etc. etc. Poitless. This has no potential for any discussion other than low level sophistic squabbles. | ||
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Blacktion
United Kingdom1148 Posts
On October 03 2012 07:18 hzflank wrote: You could lay a trap to Uncover Omni. Teleport into secure facilities to gather the materials for a nuke. Teleport to hidden spot in urban area and set up cameras. Next day, Inform the world via media outlets that you have hidden a nuke in an urban area. Wait to see who shows up to disarm the nuke (see them on camera), port in, kill him, disarm nuke and port out. Theres this thing called an anonymous tip bro. Seems to me Omni guy has this in the bag, use his power to find the death note, then its gg. Assuming none of the competitors are stupid enough to appear on TV with their name saying "look i got magic powers!" DN guy cant do much alone. Teleport has plenty of offensive/defensive utility, same as time stop, but how do either of them locate the others? And i have no fucking clue what the deal with GHG is, that shit just confused me | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On October 03 2012 07:25 Asmodeusx wrote: This is an insult to the word "discussion". Set rules properly and make it clear. Under the conditions that were stated so far you can't determine who will win. If they have guns - this guy wins, if swords - that guy wins. If A, than B etc. etc. etc. Poitless. This has no potential for any discussion other than low level sophistic squabbles. Yeah, it depends too much on who can identify who. I think according to the OP's story, they all left clues, which gives #5 a tremendous advantage in tracking them down, since he has almost unlimited time to follow up on leads. Or it would favor #4, who has the same power as #5 if he phrases his questions correctly. #3 could win if he starts randomly writing names of people that win lotteries in the death book, but this assumes #4/5 are stupid. #1 could win if #4/5 are stupid enough to engage in direct confrontation instead of sending waves of assassins. | ||
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norsK
United States131 Posts
On October 03 2012 07:09 Orek wrote: Death Note + Omni is basically unbeatable combo once alliance is formed. But it is a very risky alliance for both, so probably it won't happen. I agree, and GHG would benefit from their demise. Please someone make a meme of GHG on the final day after his years of planning. | ||
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TSORG
293 Posts
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xNSwarm
155 Posts
On October 03 2012 06:25 TheYango wrote: It is impossible for the Death Note guy to win on days 1-3. This is purely because any scenario where he wins on days 1-3 will be reset because of how GHG's power works. What's more, because he can't gain knowledge across time loops the way #4 and #5 can, he will be executing the SAME plan 12000 times. Which means that after the first few, #4 and #5 will be able to elude any kill attempts made by #3 against them on the first 3 days. They then kill him during day 2 of the last cycle. Essentially, the only way for Death Note to win is if both #4 and #5 are so stupid that they cannot evade death on days 1-3 even with 12000 retries. As soon as either finds a scenario where they can avoid death on days 1-3, #3 is dead because the remaining time loops can be used to devise a way to kill him. The only way for anyone other than #4 to win is for #5 not to use or waste his power (e.g. #5 suicides right at the beginning of every cycle). Because if #5's power activates, #4 gets immeasurable benefit from it by being able to learn what he knew before by asking for it on the first day of each loop ("What did I learn during the last time loop?"). Essentially, he gains #5's power in proxy by giving up the first question of each loop for it. In order for #4 to use this proxy he needs to ask that question at least once every three days. Everyday in order ensure that he benefits from the full 3day loop, but that isn't reasonable, or is it? Since there are a lot of variables in this situation, i'm just going to focus on #4 and 5 because i think that they have the highest potential early on. Since #5 is the only person who could drastically hurt #4, #4's first question should deal with #5's plan. At this point #4 has a risk to take. He needs to correctly guess when #5 will start his time loop. He has the option of making his day one question, "what did I learn in the last time loop?". -If #5 hasn't started his time loop, #4 will now be aware of that, however his day1 question will have no other use. -If #5 did start his time loop, #4 will have hit the jackpot. He will now benefit from all three days in the loop, AND two additional questions every single loop. I see this as a sure win. #5 will assume that #4 knows this, and make his choices accordingly. Both players know that #4 can ask the proxy question on the second day and then every other day to ensure that he has at least a 2day time loop with 1 additional question. This seems like it is still an advantage over #5. Because of this, it seems like #5 will lose if he starts his loop on the first or second day, assuming #4 asks the proxy question every other day. If number #4 can afford to ask the proxy question every other day and still beat the other 3 with only 1 real question every other day, then he is sure to win. However, that's a big if. Because this game would be impossible to predict without making some assumptions, im going to make a few. I'm going to assume that #5 doesn't use his time loop because he believes that the chance of #4 using his proxy question every other day too high a probability. Im also going to assume that #4 asks his proxy question every other day because he sees the potential reward greater then the lack of being able to ask a real question every single day. With these two assumptions in place, #5's only option to win is to attempt to create an alliance with #1, 2, or 3. That's all im gonna right for now  . This is just a very basic consideration of two players, so i imagine you could discus this for a very long time.edit: #5 actually has a loophole to this line of thought. If he commits suicide at the end of the first day that he starts his time loop, #4's tactic will reduce quite considerably because by asking every other day he only has a 50% chance of entering the loop, and then he still doesn't get to ask any other questions during the loop. | ||
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EnE
417 Posts
On October 03 2012 05:48 FeUerFlieGe wrote: Guy 4. Tell the world about his power and prove it is real. Then the US will take him in to force him to find the answer to their questions. He says he will obey them so long as the CIA find and kill the other 4 and bring him the bodies. With a world Super power at his heels, nothing can stop him. Tell the world about his power? Good idea apart from he'd be instantly in the death note book and have a guy teleport behind him with a knife. | ||
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MrF
United States320 Posts
Possible question, How can i survive for a week, that gives him 7 questions for free and to be honest it wouldn't be that hard to survive for a week all you need to do is avoid anyone and get to a far remote location, i don't care how many days GHD can repeat he still won't be able to locate an unknown person who is hidden in an underground bunker at an unknown location so with the "free" questions he now has he can plan out a way to kill all the rest at his leisure. Voice guy now has all the information about his opponents their abilities and there respective weak points. Knowledge is Power | ||
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BADBADNOTGOOD
England57 Posts
A few pointers I'm building my thoughts around... + Omni guy is certainly the biggest target. He has the strongest, most reliable way of identifying others. Whether the others chose to leave him alive to identify others/kill them off for their own good is debatable. Personally, I'd hunt him down first because of the fear he is using his first few days of intel to kill me. + If Omni guy knows this, he has to be super smart to stay alive because he needs to use SOME of his questions defensively. He doesn't know if he is about to be teleported on top of and assassinated or if he has left a clue that Death Note guy might have found. +Death Note guy's power increases exponentially if he gets the first kill. He can brainwash another superhuman for 23 days, enough time to get a serious leg up on the survivors. +GHG guy can hide in a hole in the ground, pray someone takes out Omni and activate his GHG 3 days before the end. That would pretty much be insta-win for him. This also works with the idea his power 'could' be the hardest to trace, assuming he didn't do something really suspicious in his training because once the loop starts, he has attempts to hide his own trace if gets discovered. +Whoever gets the leg up on a target is almost guaranteed a kill except GHG, that, to me, makes him the least 'focusable'. His intel, whilst much more expansive and detailed, is based on a time loop that is subject to chance, plus, he is one of the few that has to 'manually' kill which is much more dangerous considering teleporter's and freeze time's fighting abilities. Just my thoughts | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On October 03 2012 06:08 TheYango wrote: You haven't been following the discussion. So long as Guy 4's first question is "What did I learn during the last time loop?", he can hold onto knowledge on successive loops because the voice will answer that question (it's not a how or why question and it has an objective definitive answer, so there are no loopholes that the omniscient voice can game him out of). He then uses his day 2 and 3 questions on each loop to learn new things. He gets ~25000 questions over Guy 5's successive loops--that's well more than enough to evade Guy 5 in each cycle until Guy 5 is out of retries, at which point he uses his accumulated knowledge/asks the omniscient voice how to kill Guy 5. Actually, only the last cycle matters. Any cycle in which Guy 5 dies is instantly reset, so the only way to do "lasting" damage is for it to happen on or after the last cycle. You can essentially simplify Guy 5's superpower to "he gets 100 years worth of planning and research". But through Guy 4 taking advantage of the time looping in Guy 5's superpower, Guy 4 gets 100 years worth of planning, AND the omniscient answer to ~25000 questions IN ADDITION to that. First of all, I am aware he could ask what he learned in the previous cycle. I was not following the discussion, but I am aware of this possibility. Unfortunately, what precisely he gains from that depends on his first question. His first question NEEDS to be "What are their powers?". If he does not ask that question, if he instead, in the most likely scenario, asks something along the lines of "How do I kill them?" that functions as the one question that he thinks will give him the win by itself, he will not have the ability to gain anything from asking the question you mentioned. For your theory to work, he needs for his first question to be a question that will prompt his second question to be "What did I learn last cycle?" If it is his third question, he will not be able to gain anything from asking it. Therefore, he will need to plan his first question around follow-up questions, as opposed to one question that will win him godhood. That is unlikely, at least in my opinion. Most problems that he had in his year of training should have been solvable with one question, so he is most likely in the mentality of thinking of one question to ask, as opposed to several over a period of days. Also, temptation. Easy, quick wins are so tempting, especially when his power practically begs to be used for that purpose. With his 24 hour prediction limit and the ability to be used once a day, quick, daily wins are a really effective way to use it. So, his victory relies on which questions he asks, and his first question may be the most important of all. It all depends on what decision he makes based on his extremely limited information. As for your second point about all damage not being lasting until Guy 5's power ends, I interpreted this If GHG gets himself killed and there is a clear winner before the 12175 cycles are over.. i dunno.. It is fairly safe to say it's impossible for there to be a winner THIS quickly (if someone comes up with a strat. let me know as saying that if there was a clear winner before the cycle ends, that guy is the winner and no reset happens. If it was stated otherwise somewhere, I haven't noticed it. I thought all updates were going into the OP. So, Guy 5 has a 100% chance for his power to be effective, whereas Guy 4's success depends on his decision making based on prior experience and limited info. Personally, I think he would use and abuse his powers for quick, easy wins for his first year and have that tactic fail him for the first and last time against Guy 5's Groundhog Day. Maybe he would think of one question to rule them all, though, but that is unlikely. With no other powers, the odds don't favor him and the others killing enough guys in 3 days for him to win. It is, of course, open to debate what Guy 4's prior experiences were, and thus what his questions would be, so that part is entirely open to debate. He is also perhaps the most visible, and thus, the most susceptible to the death note power. The success his power gives him is going to make him EXTREMELY visible. Odds are, he won't even get 3 questions before Death Note has his guy. Can you imagine the internet headlines? "The awesomest guy in the world! 5 lottery wins, cancer cure, laws of physics completely fished out, entropy stopped, and a host of other awesome shit!" For my theory at least, Guy 5 has the greatest odds for success. Not certainly going to win, of course, but the odds are on his side. Guy 4 has a lot of stuff and potential for more stuff hurting the odds of his success going in. Guy 5's success is dependent on Guy 4's failure, and Guy 4 has too much in his way for him to have an above 50% chance of success. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
I don't think guy 4 could win because he wouldn't be able to ask his questions properly. Also you should have explained how this situation is explained to all 5 people. Do they know they are fighting to the death? Do they know the other powers? | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
The timestop guy can probaby do it, but would cameras still be running? than theres prints even if hes not seen, the teleport guy probaby "kill a guy with no way in" and get back out but than again prints and how he actually does it. Knife gun once again things can lead back to you. Not to mention i dont see why the deathnote guy couldnt just play it like light and hold the world hostage, and he bascically them to control. But this is also based on how smart each of them are. U have to find out who each are right? even than the only people who have good ways to kill each other are deathnote,tele, timestop. Where u wouldnt have to deal with who ur trying to kill fighting back. Tho the tele maybe shouldnt be include becasue the best thing i can think of is tele behind them, stab or shoot them. All others have to do it normal way, which kinda really sucks for them. Also the deathnote is one with the least restrictions. U have continuous use of it. Unlike timestop once a week, lets say u used time stop to find one guy(only to find him) now he cant use timestop to kill for a week, and with the others abilities he might not last 1 week with nothing in his hands. Also u need to move around to find each other, where the teleporter only has good movement, and the deathnote which doesnt really need to move, once again take the world hostage. Question guy might be able to get a ton of information on the others, but he has no means of special transport, and no easy way of killing them. (but he might have good chances of killing people with questions like "what is the full name of one of the contestants, what is his current adress/home of residence, Will he be home on DD/MM/YYYY once thats done, pay for someone to kill him. but u run into the problem of finding people who will kill for money, i certainly dont know any) But bascially this guy is the random varible he has a way to try contract killers (with questions) and who everyone is what their powers are, which should be first few questions asking about everyone. Also while the groundhog day guy can live multiple days, he cant stop the deathnote if it finds him, and he'll die so many times to a contract killer, if he avoids death on a certain day but running away, the day might not end and he'll die another way, its pretty hard to dogde a bullet. So he will be screwed over pretty easily. For the time stop guy u need to two contracts, why? because he might avoid the 1st with a timestop, but than hes screwed for the second. Teleport guy again same thing, 2 people screwed again. How are u paying to kill them? U have questions right? So maybe some stocks, a bit of gambling, win a tiny bit of the lottery, if u win too much u might get noticed, and as the deathnote guy u might spend a day killing all the people who have won stuff(with "luck") just to be safe they arent using their powers as an advantage. Sure the rest could hire people as well, but they no names, no locations to send them without the question power. So the order in which the question guy proceeds is the most imporant, because he basically has a clock on everyone. No one else knows his power, so they have no idea that need to target him first. So i'm saying all but Deathnote and question man are useless. Deathnote migth get lucky and fuck question man up, if he trys to win big. But if the deathnote ever feels in danger he would just start killing massives of people with them leaving notes like gods wrath, and cause a lot of chaos everyone is dying and the rest are scared shitless except for question guy who would know wtf is going on, and if he can convice a contract killer about the other guys deathnote abilites and how the contract killer will be safe as long as the deathnote guy doesnt know his name. He might do it, also give the fact u become god after all this u could promise the guy a ton of money AND something with ur godly powers. To prevent he from turning on u for some random reason. So i guess i change my answer maybe the question guy will win, but it depends but he sure can do a lot of planning, during the first week while he's collecting information, he could spend the whole day writting possible questions and which to ask first. My order would be to focus on killing deathnote guy first hes the one who can kill u without u fighting b, apart from the timestop guy, but he has so much trouble finding people, and moving around i say he's pretty much fucked. Teleport guy has no information on anyone, pretty much fucked as well. (especailly how question guy can tell where is, and with an added question of will he have already have used his power on that day? u can find when hes most vulnerable. U might want to go after groundhog 2nd and just put him into a fucked postion of repeating being hunted all day and then all u have to do is send 5 killers to try and kill him on different days, and u can confirm if he's started the groundhog day, and when it ends, which shouldnt take long seeing how u are unaffected by the time change, the best way for the groudhog guy to get out is to find some way to beat the killer, capture him, torture him for information till the contract killer tells him where u live, then gets on a plane and kills u in ur house, and all u have to do during once ground hog starts is move and live with an aunt for a week. This is assuming that groundhog finds a way to capture the contract killer, torture him, get on plane and get to ur place all with avoiding or killing the other contract killers. Which is all pretty unlikey even with his power, if they use a sniper rifle to kill u, ur going to be spending a lot of days going okay i died here last time u stop to think BAM ur dead again okay, u go to that place early to check out where he could be hiding, bam ur fucked again he's been following u and u deviated off course in a vulnerable postion. Because if the groundhog day is changing his movement so does the contract killer which makes its soo hard espically if the question man tells the contract killer to only kill from far away. Plus there are 3 more other days more contract killers are coming, ur bascially over spent with ur ability and screwed. 3 days repeat but theres 4th killer coming on the forthday, once u get out of the loops ur fucked. So basically i guess question man wins? by having the means to get what he wants. Groundhog he spending his time not dying, he cant even kill the others, by some chance he kills the question guy even with all the contract killers he has nothing left to kill the others. So i think question guy wins, but its all imo edit: im assume they dont know each others powers, names etc only there are 4 others who have powers and are trying to kill them, they dont even know if the others have their own power or if its different. So only the question guy will be willing to get the information. What travis said with getting rich really fast? how by robbing banks that kinda of stuff? u have 1 day per week to use that and once u have all that money u have no idea how to find the others and u would be spending alot of time hiding from the police encase u were caught, as the deathnote guy u would be targetting people who are getting rich and being published in some way (robbing banks getting caught name into the paper, get out with timestop) doesnt help u if u die to the deathnote guy who could get information by sending letters to the police killing a newsreporter, and killing the head of police if he doesnt provide information to him he, his wife, children will all die. (even if the deathnote guy doesnt know their names and cant kill them, the police guy doesnt know that.) Also theres a big part if u know who the others are, and if they have died, thats why as the question guy u force ground hog day to spend his powers early on living through the assassins. Also people saying question guy would stand out by find cure to cancer etc...wtf why would he bother with all that, his goal is to kill the others once hes god nothing else matters. | ||
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