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On October 03 2012 08:08 Shock710 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Why doesnt the deathnote guy just win, due to the fact when he kills people he doesnt get screwed over by the police.
The timestop guy can probaby do it, but would cameras still be running? than theres prints even if hes not seen, the teleport guy probaby "kill a guy with no way in" and get back out but than again prints and how he actually does it. Knife gun once again things can lead back to you.
Not to mention i dont see why the deathnote guy couldnt just play it like light and hold the world hostage, and he bascically them to control. But this is also based on how smart each of them are.
U have to find out who each are right? even than the only people who have good ways to kill each other are deathnote,tele, timestop. Where u wouldnt have to deal with who ur trying to kill fighting back. Tho the tele maybe shouldnt be include becasue the best thing i can think of is tele behind them, stab or shot them. All others have to do it normal way, which kinda really sucks for them. Also the deathnote is one with the least restrictions. U have continuous use of it. Unlike timestop once a week, lets say u used time stop to find one guy(only to find him) now he cant use timestop to kill for a week, and with the others abilities he might not last 1 week with nothing in his hands.
Also u need to move around to find each other, where the teleporter only has good movement, and the deathnote which doesnt really need to move, once again take the world hostage. Question guy might be able to get a ton of information on the others, but he has no means of special transport, and no easy way of killing them. (but he might have good chances of killing people with questions like "what is the full name of one of the contestants, what is his current adress/home of residence, Will he be home on DD/MM/YYYY once thats done, pay for someone to kill him. but u run into the problem of finding people who will kill for money, i certainly dont know any) But bascially this guy is the random varible he has a way to try contract killers (with questions) and who everyone is what their powers are, which should be first few questions asking about everyone. Also while the groundhog day guy can live multiple days, he cant stop the deathnote if it finds him, and he'll die so many times to a contract killer, if he avoids death on a certain day but running away, the day might not end and he'll die another way, its pretty hard to dogde a bullet. So he will be screwed over pretty easily. For the time stop guy u need to two contracts, why? because he might avoid the 1st with a timestop, but than hes screwed for the second. Teleport guy again same thing, 2 people screwed again. How are u paying to kill them? U have questions right? So maybe some stocks, a bit of gambling, win a tiny bit of the lottery, if u win too much u might get noticed, and as the deathnote guy u might spend a day killing all the people who have won stuff(with "luck") just to be safe they arent using their powers as an advantage. Sure the rest could hire people as well, but they no names, no locations to send them without the question power. So the order in which the question guy proceeds is the most imporant, because he basically has a clock on everyone. No one else knows his power, so they have no idea that need to target him first. So i'm saying all but Deathnote and question man are useless. Deathnote migth get lucky and fuck question man up, if he trys to win big. But if the deathnote ever feels in danger he would just start killing massives of people with them leaving notes like gods wrath, and cause a lot of chaos everyone is dying and the rest are scared shitless except for question guy who would know wtf is going on, and if he can convice a contract killer about the other guys deathnote abilites and how the contract killer will be safe as long as the deathnote guy doesnt know his name. He might do it, also give the fact u become god after all this u could promise the guy a ton of money AND something with ur godly powers. To prevent he from turning on u for some random reason.
So i guess i change my answer maybe the question guy will win, but it depends but he sure can do a lot of planning, during the first week while he's collecting information, he could spend the whole day writting possible questions and which to ask first. My order would be to focus on killing deathnote guy first hes the one who can kill u without u fighting b, apart from the timestop guy, but he has so much trouble finding people, and moving around i say he's pretty much fucked. Teleport guy has no information on anyone, pretty much fucked as well. (especailly how question guy can tell where is, and with an added question of will he have already have used his power on that day? u can find when hes most vulnerable. U might want to go after groundhog 2nd and just put him into a fucked postion of repeating being hunted all day
and then all u have to do is send 5 killers to try and kill him on different days, and u can confirm if he's started the groundhog day, and when it ends, which shouldnt take long seeing how u are unaffected by the time change, the best way for the groudhog guy to get out is to find some way to beat the killer, capture him, torture him for information till the contract killer tells him where u live, then gets on a plane and kills u in ur house, and all u have to do during once ground hog starts is move and live with an aunt for a week. This is assuming that groundhog finds a way to capture the contract killer, torture him, get on plane and get to ur place all with avoiding or killing the other contract killers. Which is all pretty unlikey even with his power, if they use a sniper rifle to kill u, ur going to be spending a lot of days going okay i died here last time u stop to think BAM ur dead again okay, u go to that place early to check out where he could be hiding, bam ur fucked again he's been following u and u deviated off course in a vulnerable postion. Because if the groundhog day is changing his movement so does the contract killer which makes its soo hard espically if the question man tells the contract killer to only kill from far away. Plus there are 3 more other days more contract killers are coming, ur bascially over spent with ur ability and screwed. 3 days repeat but theres 4th killer coming on the forthday, once u get out of the loops ur fucked. So basically i guess question man wins? by having the means to get what he wants. Groundhog he spending his time not dying, he cant even kill the others, by some chance he kills the question guy even with all the contract killers he has nothing left to kill the others.
So i think question guy wins, but its all imo
edit: im assume they dont know each others powers, names etc only there are 4 others who have powers and are trying to kill them, they dont even know if the others have their own power or if its different. So only the question guy will be willing to get the information. What travis said with getting rich really fast? how by robbing banks that kinda of stuff? u have 1 day per week to use that and once u have all that money u have no idea how to find the others and u would be spending alot of time hiding from the police encase u were caught, as the deathnote guy u would be targetting people who are getting rich and being published in some way (robbing banks getting caught name into the paper, get out with timestop) doesnt help u if u die to the deathnote guy who could get information by sending letters to the police killing a newsreporter, and killing the head of police if he doesnt provide information to him he, his wife, children will all die. (even if the deathnote guy doesnt know their names and cant kill them, the police guy doesnt know that.)
I love how you started the wall of text with
"Why not #3 guy win?"
and end with
"#4 guy wins" in your conclusion.
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On October 03 2012 08:16 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 08:08 Shock710 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Why doesnt the deathnote guy just win, due to the fact when he kills people he doesnt get screwed over by the police.
The timestop guy can probaby do it, but would cameras still be running? than theres prints even if hes not seen, the teleport guy probaby "kill a guy with no way in" and get back out but than again prints and how he actually does it. Knife gun once again things can lead back to you.
Not to mention i dont see why the deathnote guy couldnt just play it like light and hold the world hostage, and he bascically them to control. But this is also based on how smart each of them are.
U have to find out who each are right? even than the only people who have good ways to kill each other are deathnote,tele, timestop. Where u wouldnt have to deal with who ur trying to kill fighting back. Tho the tele maybe shouldnt be include becasue the best thing i can think of is tele behind them, stab or shot them. All others have to do it normal way, which kinda really sucks for them. Also the deathnote is one with the least restrictions. U have continuous use of it. Unlike timestop once a week, lets say u used time stop to find one guy(only to find him) now he cant use timestop to kill for a week, and with the others abilities he might not last 1 week with nothing in his hands.
Also u need to move around to find each other, where the teleporter only has good movement, and the deathnote which doesnt really need to move, once again take the world hostage. Question guy might be able to get a ton of information on the others, but he has no means of special transport, and no easy way of killing them. (but he might have good chances of killing people with questions like "what is the full name of one of the contestants, what is his current adress/home of residence, Will he be home on DD/MM/YYYY once thats done, pay for someone to kill him. but u run into the problem of finding people who will kill for money, i certainly dont know any) But bascially this guy is the random varible he has a way to try contract killers (with questions) and who everyone is what their powers are, which should be first few questions asking about everyone. Also while the groundhog day guy can live multiple days, he cant stop the deathnote if it finds him, and he'll die so many times to a contract killer, if he avoids death on a certain day but running away, the day might not end and he'll die another way, its pretty hard to dogde a bullet. So he will be screwed over pretty easily. For the time stop guy u need to two contracts, why? because he might avoid the 1st with a timestop, but than hes screwed for the second. Teleport guy again same thing, 2 people screwed again. How are u paying to kill them? U have questions right? So maybe some stocks, a bit of gambling, win a tiny bit of the lottery, if u win too much u might get noticed, and as the deathnote guy u might spend a day killing all the people who have won stuff(with "luck") just to be safe they arent using their powers as an advantage. Sure the rest could hire people as well, but they no names, no locations to send them without the question power. So the order in which the question guy proceeds is the most imporant, because he basically has a clock on everyone. No one else knows his power, so they have no idea that need to target him first. So i'm saying all but Deathnote and question man are useless. Deathnote migth get lucky and fuck question man up, if he trys to win big. But if the deathnote ever feels in danger he would just start killing massives of people with them leaving notes like gods wrath, and cause a lot of chaos everyone is dying and the rest are scared shitless except for question guy who would know wtf is going on, and if he can convice a contract killer about the other guys deathnote abilites and how the contract killer will be safe as long as the deathnote guy doesnt know his name. He might do it, also give the fact u become god after all this u could promise the guy a ton of money AND something with ur godly powers. To prevent he from turning on u for some random reason.
So i guess i change my answer maybe the question guy will win, but it depends but he sure can do a lot of planning, during the first week while he's collecting information, he could spend the whole day writting possible questions and which to ask first. My order would be to focus on killing deathnote guy first hes the one who can kill u without u fighting b, apart from the timestop guy, but he has so much trouble finding people, and moving around i say he's pretty much fucked. Teleport guy has no information on anyone, pretty much fucked as well. (especailly how question guy can tell where is, and with an added question of will he have already have used his power on that day? u can find when hes most vulnerable. U might want to go after groundhog 2nd and just put him into a fucked postion of repeating being hunted all day
and then all u have to do is send 5 killers to try and kill him on different days, and u can confirm if he's started the groundhog day, and when it ends, which shouldnt take long seeing how u are unaffected by the time change, the best way for the groudhog guy to get out is to find some way to beat the killer, capture him, torture him for information till the contract killer tells him where u live, then gets on a plane and kills u in ur house, and all u have to do during once ground hog starts is move and live with an aunt for a week. This is assuming that groundhog finds a way to capture the contract killer, torture him, get on plane and get to ur place all with avoiding or killing the other contract killers. Which is all pretty unlikey even with his power, if they use a sniper rifle to kill u, ur going to be spending a lot of days going okay i died here last time u stop to think BAM ur dead again okay, u go to that place early to check out where he could be hiding, bam ur fucked again he's been following u and u deviated off course in a vulnerable postion. Because if the groundhog day is changing his movement so does the contract killer which makes its soo hard espically if the question man tells the contract killer to only kill from far away. Plus there are 3 more other days more contract killers are coming, ur bascially over spent with ur ability and screwed. 3 days repeat but theres 4th killer coming on the forthday, once u get out of the loops ur fucked. So basically i guess question man wins? by having the means to get what he wants. Groundhog he spending his time not dying, he cant even kill the others, by some chance he kills the question guy even with all the contract killers he has nothing left to kill the others.
So i think question guy wins, but its all imo
edit: im assume they dont know each others powers, names etc only there are 4 others who have powers and are trying to kill them, they dont even know if the others have their own power or if its different. So only the question guy will be willing to get the information. What travis said with getting rich really fast? how by robbing banks that kinda of stuff? u have 1 day per week to use that and once u have all that money u have no idea how to find the others and u would be spending alot of time hiding from the police encase u were caught, as the deathnote guy u would be targetting people who are getting rich and being published in some way (robbing banks getting caught name into the paper, get out with timestop) doesnt help u if u die to the deathnote guy who could get information by sending letters to the police killing a newsreporter, and killing the head of police if he doesnt provide information to him he, his wife, children will all die. (even if the deathnote guy doesnt know their names and cant kill them, the police guy doesnt know that.)
I love how you started the wall of text with "Why not #3 guy win?" and end with "#4 guy wins" in your conclusion.
yes lol  i spaced out the wall of text sry about that everyone who read it before then
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Omni:Im wondering what happens if Omni asks "How does the list of 364 questions read that will result in me winning this competition given my competency and desire to undertake this challenge?" If the answer is non existant, GG. If the answer exists, he has 1 day to die on, before the "super-list" kicks in and he wins.
Teleport:Im wondering if Teleport guy could:
1. Make a crap ton of money. (stealing by teleporting)
2. Infiltrate/Buy off intelligence agencies (if possible).
3. Make "Home Base" - an extremely secure facility with loads of weapons, etc etc etc.
(an alternate is to make a secondary home base that if Base 1 is approached, He can teleport to Base 2, and remotely operate explosives/weapons that will kill the invaders of Base 1.)
4. Use intellegence agencies' real-time data, (IE only teleporting when one of the other players is physically on camera) teleport to that location, and shooting them dead in .5s then teleporting back to "home base"
5. Use money to pay hitman/other people to flush out other players if possible.
6 Rinse and repeat
7. ????
8. Profit.
Insta-Teleport and Shoot technique should be able to kill Deathnote Guy and Time Freeze Guy.
I read as much as I can on GHG but I truly don't understand the extent of his power.
GHG:Does he elect which 3 day peroid will be the infinitely repeating set of days? Because if that is the case, once he advances far enough into the year and establishes a few sets of clues his power becomes exponentially better. Eg, Day 27, He knows enough about his opponents, and has picked a day in which he can win the lottery or similar event, he may be able to kill all people in the 3 day span. However, If he waits longer than like 4? 10? days, OmniGuy will kill him, probibally first. So his ability doesn't seem like the best one.
Deathnote: Great power, but he needs a face and a name. I suppose he can approach Obama (or equally powerful figure), demonstrate his power, and force co-operation (assuming Obama isn't incredibly noble), and gain access to intelligence agency. In addition, if global news arises of any popular incredibly wealthy start-ups or lottery winners, he can just elect to kill them if their picture and true name are known. Thats assuming he has no limit to how many names he can write in the book he could do some work on the earth that may destabilize it enough to harm the other players chances at winning.
Time Freeze: Time freeze should be able to get rich by many different means. IE watch a Armored Truck unloading money, Freeze... Wealth. Or I am sure there are many other creative ways of amassing money with 5 hr freeze. Then He should be able to A) Buy off intelligence agency, B) Use Freeze time to get into an intelligence agency, use resources. Hire Hitmen.
This gives him a decent shot at killing the others.
Sorry if I mis-interpreted some of the rules.
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On October 03 2012 07:18 hzflank wrote:
Teleport guy has plenty of offensive ability. Teleport to location of another guy, unleash bio/nuclear weapon and port out again. Teleport guy also has the easiest way to make money (port into vaults and steal valuable things).
You could lay a trap to Uncover Omni. Teleport into secure facilities to gather the materials for a nuke. Teleport to hidden spot in urban area and set up cameras. Next day, Inform the world via media outlets that you have hidden a nuke in an urban area. Wait to see who shows up to disarm the nuke (see them on camera), port in, kill him, disarm nuke and port out.
To catch time stop guy you want to steal a super fast acting, deadly but curable virus. Anyone who isnt cured within 5 hours will die. Since this is fiction lets say you steal such a thing from a government. Go all moonraker and deploy virus globally through the use of satellites. Time stop guy dies.
Groundhog guy will probably just go insane and top himself.
Locating deathnote guy would be tricky. Go public, let him come to you. You would need to change your identity to avoid him learning your real name. I suggest a Face Off style approach with some guy from an asylum. He only has a year so he will come for your real name at some point. When he arrives, teleport yourself directly into his testicles.
I dont think setting off a nuke is easy to do, let alone know where nukes are being kept, how to control the nukes, its not like u pick it up tele than throw it at someone.
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Well...once guy 4 figures the other's powers, just go after DN guy first. The only real problem is GHG. If you kill him while you're in his cycle, you're dead. So it's a bit of a crapshoot if you just decide to kill him. Best to do so using DN guy's book.
The only real problem with this is given the starting parameter that they get to "test" their powers for a year, it's likely that any random guy that gets this power will become immensely rich/popular during that period of time. If I were DN guy, I'd kill everyone who got rich/famous within a year just from this possibility. This goes also with teleport and freeze time guy.
The only one who might have an advantage would be GHG who wouldn't be able to test his powers during this time at all. Well, that is unless he used the GH power during that one year "test" period. Then he's fucked lol.
I think it depends more on the person that's given the power than the power itself. Given that "random" people are given the power and the 1 year "test" period, I go with DN guy as winning. People are generally going to flaunt their powers or use it to get rich quick. DN guy and GHG have the only real incentives to be clandestine regarding his powers.
I dunno, interesting problem...too bad I'm at work to post more though T.T
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The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills.
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GHDG can use a few thousand lives to find the identity of everyone, and more importantly, the first question Omni guy asks. That first question will determine the winner of the entire thing. He needs to phrase it in a way that it cannot backfire, and it will always lead to a victory. He needs to ask a question that kills GHDG guaranteed on the first day with absolutely no way for GHDG to escape
GHDG's basic strategy is to survive Day 1 at all costs and ally with DN guy. He has over 10k tries to do this
If Omni goes on the offensive and targets GHDG first turn, asking "How do I kill GHDG today?" GHDG knows what the question is and has over 10k tries to avoid day 1 death. If Omni has enough power to kill GHDG on Day 1 guaranteed with no way for GHDG to escape, then GHDG goes insane as others have mentioned
Otherwise, if GHDG can find a way to guarantee safety while allying with DN guy, Omni guy voice would answer "You can't kill GHDG" and Omni guy would die
If Omni guy asks "What did I learn last time loop?" the voice will answer "GHDG uses DN guy to kill you."
The issue is if DN guy is stupid enough to ally with GHDG or Omni guy. Maybe Omni voice tells him the perfect method of allying with DN guy before GHDG does, and is able to 100% kill GHDG every single loop with the DN
I really don't think that Omni guy asking "What did I learn last loop" to abuse GHDG is the winning strategy. The voice would just return "DN guy killed you" every single time. He'd have burned his question on finding out that DN killed him and would not be able to find out how to prevent that from happening. Omni's Day 1 question HAS to be completely offensive, and HAS to guarantee that GHDG dies and Omni lives
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On October 03 2012 08:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:
The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills.
what if someone sets him up (or by accident) that he will die exactly after the day is over? His Oracle thingy has only control over 24 hours. It will not prevent certain death after that period.
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nvm about what i said patch just killed me scene, so i'll go with deathnote
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On October 03 2012 08:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:
The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills.
He is omniscient, not omnipotent. If others discover his identity there might be no way to survive. Or perhaps the voice in his head will tell him: use a gun to protect yourself. i.e. it would give a 'best strategy', not a '100% strategy' to win.
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I will rephrase my answer, if I was the omniscient guy i would win, If he is an idiot then yes he could loose by being dumb and wasting his question. the rest of my post is still relevant on page 13, lol what a silly thread. TLDR my first post
Voice guy asks what do i need to do to stay alive for a (week, month whatever) voice in his head tells him where he needs to go to not be killed most likely some hidden underground bunker stocked with food and how to get there he then has time to ask more questions to devise a plan to kill all the other opponents.
Some people are either not understanding correctly or overestimating GHD's ability he does not have infinite knowledge, if Voice guy simple avoids contact with anyone there is something like a one in a billion chance that he can be located, his opponents don't know who he is or where he is so they have no way to find him until he want to be found and if he is smart he will wait until he has a foolproof plan and probably until there are only one or 2 opponents left.
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On October 03 2012 08:33 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 08:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:
The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills. He is omniscient, not omnipotent. If others discover his identity there might be no way to survive. Or perhaps the voice in his head will tell him: use a gun to protect yourself. i.e. it would give a 'best strategy', not a '100% strategy' to win.
You are assuming that the best way to stay alive requires some super power, it does not, he does not need to be all powerful if he is all knowing all he needs is to ask the right questions.
sorry about double post should have edited, my bad i will refrain from posting on this thread again...
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Ar this point, I think more interesting discussion is
"What would you ask as your first ,say, 10 questions if you were the #4 omni guy given the situation?"
First several questions as omni guy is very crucial for his survival and outcome of the game. I am not so confident if I can come up with the very best question for the first day within 24 hours after the "dream."
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If guy 4 is smart, he could win. He just needs to stay hidden and unknown. He could use his powers to become easily rich. Use it for gambling to make incredible profits and incredibly rich with the powers of truth. With the money he could easily disguise himself somehow, so the others never know who he is, but with his questions, each day he could ask details of the others. With his wealth he could hire hitmen to do the jobs for him, careful to not link any connections between each other. Also with hiring hitmen, he could use a question to ask if the kill will be successful or not. Make it clear to hitmen that it is a 24 hour job, if not attempted within 24 hours, call off the hit to be safe (because question only lasts 24 hours into future). If well planned, he could know what will succeed and what would fail, and not do anything that would plan to fail, so he will be undefeatable, unless he fucks up. Either way, if he stays hidden, the others will kill each other, and may only need to kill one. He will ofcourse be able to know which one is left through the questions. If he was an evil mothaf!@#er he could learn details of their families, and kidnap them. Luring the other superheroes into a trap, and being able to kill them. I wouldn't want someone like that to be a god though to be honest. haha
Edit: If he has been using his powers for a year already, he should be already incredibly rich.
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On October 03 2012 08:35 MrF wrote:
I will rephrase my answer, if I was the omniscient guy i would win, If he is an idiot then yes he could loose by being dumb and wasting his question. the rest of my post is still relevant on page 13, lol what a silly thread. TLDR my first post
Voice guy asks what do i need to do to stay alive for a (week, month whatever) voice in his head tells him where he needs to go to not be killed most likely some hidden underground bunker stocked with food and how to get there he then has time to ask more questions to devise a plan to kill all the other opponents.
Some people are either not understanding correctly or overestimating GHD's ability he does not have infinite knowledge, if Voice guy simple avoids contact with anyone there is something like a one in a billion chance that he can be located, his opponents don't know who he is or where he is so they have no way to find him until he want to be found and if he is smart he will wait until he has a foolproof plan and probably until there are only one or 2 opponents left.
The issue is that the OP said that all five contestants left clues during their initial year of practice. There are multiple ways to interpret this, one would be that a well-funded government organisation would have the means to discover their identities, the other is that even a single person if given enough time would be able to. If it's the latter, then GHD is at a huge advantage compared to some of the others. He can simply activate his power on the first day to learn all he needs to know and then use this to locate the Death Note guy, then use the notebook to kill all others instantly. On the other hand, if discovering identities is not so easy and requires access to a whole bunch of hidden file systems, then I'm not sure if he would be able to do this. You would have to befriend the CIA or so every single iteration of the time loop, which would be horribly time consuming or outright impossible. There is no shortcut you can memorize to utilize all the resources of the CIA, even if you got access to their computer systems it would still be neigh impossible to do all relevant investigations by yourself.
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My money is on GHG.
1. He starts his loop.
2. He gets to know the other players, however many loops that may take.
3. Each time the loop starts, he sends the names and pictures of the other three guys to DN.
4. He uses the remaining time of the loop to perfectly orchestrate the murder of DN without exposing his face to him.
Of course, I'm assuming that GHG should get enough tries to find a medium and message that reach DN promptly and convince him to actually kill the others asap, and that neither DN nor GHG get killed off during the first few minutes of the game (noteably, GHG could warn DN of danger). However, the only guys capable of killing during the first few minutes are DN and teleport guy, but neither can aquire the necessary intel faster than instantly.
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On October 03 2012 08:31 Cirqueenflex wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 08:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:
The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills. what if someone sets him up (or by accident) that he will die exactly after the day is over? His Oracle thingy has only control over 24 hours. It will not prevent certain death after that period.
Omni guys gonna know when the 24h period is up. That probably only leaves you a very small window(minutes?) to do something. Knowing that window is an absolutle KEY. If you do not know when the question was asked, you cannot kill him because he know how to not die during the window. A virus that is not fatal instintaniously could be used but it needs to be fatal outside the 24h window of the question and administered towards the end of the 24 window, becoming fatal at the very start of the next 24h question.
This method makes Omni guy compeltly immune to the death note. All death note methods are concidered impossible since omni guys voice and the death note are basiccly unstoppable force vs immovable object. I'd say they cancel and the note does nothing. Death Note guy must kill Omni guy the old fashinoed way, and teh voice will tell omni guy how to avoid the death.
I wounder what the answer to the question " How do I go about becoming a God?" is
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Couldnt omnicient guy just ask for the proper sniper perch on a given day for a given subject and just cap them one by one ?
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guy 4 ask where the death note is.
stalk the DN position until figure how to kill the death note guy
with the death note can write: "any random person will die backstabed in a location without humans" so there are 2 possible solutions, the teleporter guy (more likely, per time restriction), or the timestop guy. commit the murder.
ask to the voice the name of the murder. with the name and the voice eventually could the reach the face of the guy via database, or via knowing his familiars, school / job.
repeat the backstab scenario delaying the kill of previous killer to make time so the guy left will commit the murder.
so i'll suppose the timestop guy is the last killer. so guy with voice must try to kill GHG guy with the timestop guy using the death note, it's really hard figure the way to found the face of GHG guy. so in 24 days of control with the death note, will use the timestop guy to use nuclear weapons in the area where is the GHG guy. the voice can bring the localization of GHG guy.
in case the guy 4 found the face of guy 5, the death note must specify that the death must occur after 5 or 6 days so the guy 5 never will can stop his death with the only 3 days loop.
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On October 03 2012 08:40 Orek wrote:
"What would you ask as your first ,say, 10 questions if you were the #4 omni guy given the situation?"
Definitely ask the Genie if I left a trace that could lead someone to me as question number one. If he says yes AND you can remove all these traces, you are pretty much set. GHD guy can't find you, Teleporter guy can't assisinate you ect. You don't need much money and you don't need to be offensive just yet.
Then, everyday, ask the Genie the score.
Once there is only 1 other survivor, you can start working out a plan to kill him. Just pray you have enough time and you ask the right questions.
Knowing there is 0 trace that could lead to you AND being defensive = pretty much invulnerable. You wouldn't need to ever use your power to influence the world around you once your traces are gone so nobody can suddenly detect you.
All this depends of course on the initial "trace question". Would you have to keep asking it because of the 24 hour scope ( there may be no way of someone finding the trace in the first week but after that, they could find it and use it to kill you) ?
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