guy 1: can freeze time for 5 hours a week, he HAS to freeze time for 5 hours a week or he loses his power. he still ages while time is frozen.
guy 2: he can teleport twice a day, he HAS to teleport twice a day or he loses powers, second teleport is a "return" teleport.
guy 3: gets a death note, (basically same as in the anime, but for those who haven't watched, if he writes someone's name in a notebook, he can specify their time of death up to 23 days in advance, he can specify the cause of death, but not create impossible circumstances. for example. he CAN make someone rob a bank and get shot dead. he CANNOT make someone wake up on mars and suffocate. If their name is written, and the cause of death cannot be met, they will die of a heart attack. He needs to picture their face to be able to kill them)
guy 4: has an omniscient voice in his head. it will answer 1 question per day truthfully and fully (unless specified otherwise). won't explain the answer in terms you can understand unless you specify (Eg, if you asked how to live forever, it might list a bunch of chemistry, physics, and biology jargon. much of which may or may not have been invented in the present day)
guy 5: lives through "Groundhog day" except it lasts 3 days instead of 1. He gets to choose when his 3 days begin, but once it starts, he cannot stop it, he has to do the full time. he gets "100 years worth of days" before the time loop ends. however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time. (this is equivalent to 12'175 resets of the 3-day period) he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4"
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-5 random people around the world gain superpowers. -each with it's own strong-point and Achilles heel. -They get approximately a year to play around with their ability, learn it's ins and outs. -none of them draw huge attention to themselves, but they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them. -they never meet or become aware of each others existence during this year -after this year, they all have a "Dream" where they appear in a room with each other. they can see each other's silhouettes, so body build, gender, height, but not features like face, skin color, or clothing. -they are told they have to kill each other, the winner (last person alive) becomes a god. -if a winner is not selected by the end of 1 year, they all die regardless. -they each live in a different technologically advanced country. -for the sake of argument one in Japan, Australia, Britain, Korea, USA. however for the sake of not complicating things. They all hear each other speak in their home language. E.G. if the australian speaks in english, the korean hears him speak in korean. The australian hears the korean speak in english.
Myself and some friends at university spent a good 3+ hours debating this topic, and there was no clear winner. every "Strategy" one of us came up with, a counter strategy was offered to beat it later. I also have a speech tomorrow at 2pm, so instead of practicing it, I would rather procrastinate, and what better way to do so than present you guys with an interesting topic, and join in arguing about possibilities? P.S. I know this is fiction, so if it isn't worthy of the general forum, please move it to blogs, however if i personally thought it belonged there I would have done it there in the first place
If this thread takes off and we get a decent discussion, any updates will be added to this spoiler. + Show Spoiler +
PATCHES: Omniscient guy nerfed, one question per day, cannot repeat questions, cannot ask questions that go more than 24 hours into the future.
REGARDING THE DEATH NOTE: If another player finds the deathnote, they ARE able to use it to their advantage. they all know that the death note owner needs a name and a face, they DO NOT know he needs to write it in the note. they also do not know of the note's existence. they may find out about it. through the owner telling them, or the omniscient voice alerting them, or through their own deduction.
okay so here's whats up at the start of the 365 days they have to kill each other, the world is in a 3 day time loop. at the end of 3 days, the world resets EXACTLY How it was at the start of the 3 days, with one exception. GHG. he remembers the 3 days, and can do whatever he wants in the next set of 3 days. this happens for 12175 cycles, and then progresses to day 4. GHG retains memories. not physical body though GHG doesn't get a warning of when the cycle will end, however he is intelligent enough to know that he gets 12175 retries. he can technically remember. though this would be near impossible, he COULD do it. HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE. CYCLE 1: GHG stays in his house, does nothing. 1 kills 2, 2 kills 3, 3 kills 4 AND 1, 3 is last alive besides GHG, cant find him, cycle resets. CYCLE 2: GHG goes outside, kills 1, 2 lives, kills the rest except GHG. Cycle resets CYCLE 3: GHG doesnt go outside. exactly the same as cycle 1. CYCLE 4: GHG dun goofed and got hisself killed on day 1 of the cycle, wakes up on day 1 of cycle 5
If GHG gets himself killed and there is a clear winner before the 12175 cycles are over.. i dunno.. It is fairly safe to say it's impossible for there to be a winner THIS quickly (if someone comes up with a strat. let me know)
P.S. If omniscient guy asks "What will I do tomorrow?" can he a) change it, showing his power isn't all knowing and cannot predict different timestreams. or b) does he do it, proving(?) he has no free will of his own, and everything he (the universe?) does is predetermined.
they're in different countries. 5 hours isn't enough to get from Japan > Australia > America > Britain > Korea without planes (they don't move when time is frozen) Groundhog day guy gets killed immediately, realizes this is a problem for his remaining 12174 attempts, thinks of a way out of it
either i didn't include it or you didn't read, they're in a dream when they're told of the scenario, not physically together, they wake up in their respective countries.
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote: The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote: The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."
Or a variant that is more specific even. Unless the omniscient voice returns "You're SOL here, buddy"
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote: The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote: The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."
"It is impossible for you to win this fight"
well if this is the answer than it's pointless for him. So this couldn't be the answer...
Crucial point seems to be intel here. I'm gonna go with guy 4. He will be able to know what are the other's powers, and how to deal with them in an absolute perfect fashion. None of the other will be able to locate him soon enough if he is somewhat clever. Plus, if I understand correctly, the other's powers need to be activated (somehow, by will for instance ?) and thus won't save them from the detonation of a bomb, or a gunshot for example (correct me if I'm wrong).
Did I miss something ?
edit :
Poll: Who would win ?
One-question-a-day guy (41)
44%
Groundhog Day guy (25)
27%
Death Note guy (13)
14%
Freeze-time guy (10)
11%
Teleport guy (4)
4%
93 total votes
Your vote: Who would win ?
(Vote): Freeze-time guy (Vote): Teleport guy (Vote): Death Note guy (Vote): One-question-a-day guy (Vote): Groundhog Day guy
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote: The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
But, to continue the analogy, you don't ask for the "idea" you ask for the actual solution. To rephrase: "What is a set of instructions that I can understand and follow that will lead to me winning?"
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote: The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."
"It is impossible for you to win this fight"
If that's true, then we can eliminate him, and argue about the rest.
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote: The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."
"It is impossible for you to win this fight"
If that's true, then we can eliminate him, and argue about the rest.
But we can't answer this kind os answer can we? Or else you'd just have to ask who will win.
This seems like a really strange question. I don't think the groundhog one has a chance though. Somehow I imagine the death note one would win, as he could just defend himself well and wait for the others to come to him, before quickly jotting down their death for 2 mins in advance...
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote: The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."
Or a variant that is more specific even. Unless the omniscient voice returns "You're SOL here, buddy"
Guy 4 is the only guy who would reliably be able to identify the others. He would win vs the other 4 simply due to this fact. With that knowledge, he should be able to kill the others without them having time to respond and use their powers in defence.
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote: The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."
Or a variant that is more specific even. Unless the omniscient voice returns "You're SOL here, buddy"
It may be that there is no way for him to win.
So if he can't win, then we are down one winner. We could have him influence who wins, but we can instantly say he can't win.
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote: The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."
"It is impossible for you to win this fight"
If that's true, then we can eliminate him, and argue about the rest.
But we can't answer this kind os answer can we? Or else you'd just have to ask who will win.
That could be a good second question. Again, OP said it's an omniscient voice. You can ask any question.
i'd rather not eliminate him. maybe "nerf" his power slightly? PATCH 1.01 Nerfs: Omniscient guy His voice is only omniscient of the next 24 hours in the current timeloop. -E.G. he can ask how to survive for the next 24 hours, but not 24 hours 1 minute. -He may not ask the same question twice, however, a question's answer can be repeated multiple times assuming it does not change.
On October 03 2012 01:05 VyingsP wrote: Crucial point seems to be intel here. I'm gonna go with guy 4. He will be able to know what are the other's powers, and how to deal with them in an absolute perfect fashion. None of the other will be able to locate him soon enough if he is somewhat clever. Plus, if I understand correctly, the other's powers need to be activated (somehow, by will for instance ?) and thus won't save them from the detonation of a bomb, or a gunshot for example (correct me if I'm wrong).
Did I miss something ?
This seems to make sense. He finds out where the others are, then hires hitmen to take them out one by one using the money he earned abusing his power.
If they all live in a different continent and they have only sees each other silhouettes, chances are they'll never be able to find each other, except for omnipotent guy; so here is the plan : 1st day : ask lottery results of tomorrow 2nd day : ask identity and locality of other guys 3rd day : ask where you can find hitmans 4th day : spend lottery money on hiring tons of hitman to assassinate the targets and ask where you should hide 5th-365th day : repeat
On October 03 2012 01:11 Ikidomari wrote: i'd rather not eliminate him. maybe "nerf" his power slightly? PATCH 1.01 Nerfs: Omniscient guy His voice is only omniscient of the next 24 hours in the current timeloop. -E.G. he can ask how to survive for the next 24 hours, but not 24 hours 1 minute. -He may not ask the same question twice, however, a question's answer can be repeated multiple times assuming it does not change.
That's fine - nerf him to be omniscient for 24 hours, and maybe not ask questions that reveal intents of others... but it's tricky to balance ;x
On October 03 2012 01:11 Ikidomari wrote: i'd rather not eliminate him. maybe "nerf" his power slightly? PATCH 1.01 Nerfs: Omniscient guy His voice is only omniscient of the next 24 hours in the current timeloop. -E.G. he can ask how to survive for the next 24 hours, but not 24 hours 1 minute. -He may not ask the same question twice, however, a question's answer can be repeated multiple times assuming it does not change.
That's fine - nerf him to be omniscient for 24 hours, and maybe not ask questions that reveal intents of others... but it's tricky to balance ;x
he can still ask questions involving others. He can say "Where is X" or "How do i kill X" not "How do i find and kill X" as that is 2 questions in 1 sentence.
On October 03 2012 01:12 Diks wrote: If they all live in a different continent and they have only sees each other silhouettes, chances are they'll never be able to find each other, except for omnipotent guy; so here is the plan : 1st day : ask lottery results of tomorrow 2nd day : ask identity and locality of other guys 3rd day : ask where you can find hitmans 4th day : spend lottery money on hiring tons of hitman to assassinate the targets and ask where you should hide 5th-365th day : repeat
he can't ask repeat questions. there is no guaruntee he won't die before day-3
----- Also I stated they left enough traces that they COULD be tracked down if someone was looking for the signs (time freeze guy could, i dunno, get into CIA's database, groundhog guy has 100 years to do the same)
On October 03 2012 01:11 nooboon wrote: The key thing here is that they don't know each others names, so no google/facebook searches here. Also the fourth guy is pretty much screwed.
If he activates his groundhog straight away, and then spends the next 100 years working out how to bring about the apocalypse on earth (detonating nukes or whatever), he could ensure that he has wiped everyone out and become a god. Then as his first act of being a god, reverse the destruction he has caused
On October 03 2012 01:12 Diks wrote: If they all live in a different continent and they have only sees each other silhouettes, chances are they'll never be able to find each other, except for omnipotent guy; so here is the plan : 1st day : ask lottery results of tomorrow 2nd day : ask identity and locality of other guys 3rd day : ask where you can find hitmans 4th day : spend lottery money on hiring tons of hitman to assassinate the targets and ask where you should hide 5th-365th day : repeat
The idea is interesting, but winning lottery every 5 days is exactly the kind of things you wanna avoid in order to stay hidden Nevertheless, you pretty much summed up my opinion, intel is OP.
As for the "nerf patch", I am not sure it is good design. Maybe buff the others and give them more intel about the others powers/location ?
Assuming they are all desperate to win so that they don't die in 1 year, then alliance is a reasonable possibility. Complete FFA 1v1v1v1v1 is hard to win, but 2v1v1v1 is so much easier to win for allied players. Even knowing inevitable betrayal from your ally, chance of survival would be higher with a teammate than solo. If I were one of those guys, I would first think of who to ally with.
On October 03 2012 01:20 Fen2 wrote: Groundhog guy does stand a chance.
If he activates his groundhog straight away, and then spends the next 100 years working out how to bring about the apocalypse on earth (detonating nukes or whatever), he could ensure that he has wiped everyone out and become a god. Then as his first act of being a god, reverse the destruction he has caused
if you were groundhog guy, would you be willing to bet on the fact that it's even POSSIBLE to cause that to happen in 3 days, sure, maybe the leader of any countries military could do that. maybe not. I don't think his psyche would allow him. and after say, 20 years of failed attempts, he would have horrible mental ill effects, wasting much of his time. and assuming he causes the apocalypse and becomes a god, it would be incredibly hard.
1: omniscient guy learns of his plans, foils them. 2: Teleporter doesn't die to first nuke, teleports to neutral location 3: Time freeze guy doesn't die to first nuke, freezes time and stops it 4: death note guy doesn't die to first nuke, kills everyone capable of launching a nuke (I'm assuming nuclear war is the apocalypse he started)
On October 03 2012 01:22 Orek wrote: Assuming they are all desperate to win so that they don't die in 1 year, then alliance is a reasonable possibility. Complete FFA 1v1v1v1v1 is hard to win, but 2v1v1v1 is so much easier to win for allied players. Even knowing inevitable betrayal from your ally, chance of survival would be higher with a teammate than solo. If I were one of those guys, I would first think of who to ally with.
thankyou. my uni friends brought this up immediately. YOU HAVE TO GO DEEPER!
I don't 'get' guy 5's superpower. If he dies in the 4th spot, his whole time is up, and the survivor becomes a god?
What stops omniscient voice in his head guy from asking for the exact location guy 1, 2, 3, 5 will be at in X days?
'What will be the exact position of guy 1 on the 7th of October 2012, 15:00 GMT?' should be a valid question, or not?
edit: omniscient voice in the head guy also should have unlimited monetary abilities, so paying people to do the dirty work and just blasting everything within 10 metres of the position given should be easy.
IM SO SORRY I FORGOT TO INCLUDE IN THE OP They all know the silhouette and POWER belonging to each silhouette (Eg, they all know the death note is owned by a lean male, and that the ability to freeze time is owned by a small girl with long hair, or whatever it may be.)
On October 03 2012 01:27 Rimstalker wrote: I don't 'get' guy 5's superpower. If he dies in the 4th spot, his whole time is up, and the survivor becomes a god?
What stops omniscient voice in his head guy from asking for the exact location guy 1, 2, 3, 5 will be at in X days?
'What will be the exact position of guy 1 on the 7th of October 2012, 15:00 GMT?' should be a valid question, or not?
he gets to relive and fool around in a 3 day period 12000 times, discovering various strategies to survive the 3 days and beyond
Omniscient voice question was answered earlier, he CAN ask where X person will be at X time, this doesn't mean he can get there in time, this also doesn't mean he has the ability to kill them. it's one question per day, with a 24 hour "future" foresight for the voice.
No one except the 4th guy can discover the others powers in a reasonable timeframe, which makes the groundhog day guys ability useless since by the time he knows the others powers and activates his, the 4th guy already knows pretty much everything there is to know, if he hasn't already won.
Groundhog day guy can't really make a foolproof plan if he doesn't know the others powers, hell he doesn't even know if they have powers to begin with.
Guy 1 seems to be the most defensive... anyone coming after him will get frozen the moment guy 1 spots him, and will kill him during the freezing period. Doesn't defend against guy 3 though because of the heart attack thing.
Guy 2 could teleport to the different countries to start looking, but will be very hard pressed to actually find all other 4 in time. Also, once he teleports to them he's got no guirantee he'll actually be able to take them out, while all but guy 3 will be able to defend against him reasonably well.
Guy 3 seems to be the worst off. While guys 2, 4 and 5 have got some way of looking for the others, he really has to rely on things like the internet to find them. Has got the upper hand against guy 1 though, as long as guy 1 doesn't realise who guy 3 is while being in the immediate area (if they're on opposite ends of the world things get complicated).
Guy 4 has a good chance. He should be able to figure out who the other people are within a week, and know where they are and how to kill them within a month. The first question should be "What's the name of the person within the dream who will be able to kill me the soonest".
Guy 5 actually has a pretty decent chance, as long as he sets his groundhog day correctly. First thing up: travel to Dubai or smth similar. Once triggered, spend the first day at the horse tracks, to figure out the winning horses. After that you should have enough money to travel around the world, with a good airport to go places. Then you've got about 15 years per person left to find the others, with the remaining time used to plan how to kill them (hired assassins seem likely, since he'll be hard pressed to travel to the 5 places in 3 days, and i'm assuming the "kills" don't carry over to the next days).
My vote goes to Guy 5, basically since if he's fast enough, he should be able to trigger his groundhogday before guy 4 can ask enough questions
On October 03 2012 01:27 Rimstalker wrote: I don't 'get' guy 5's superpower. If he dies in the 4th spot, his whole time is up, and the survivor becomes a god?
What stops omniscient voice in his head guy from asking for the exact location guy 1, 2, 3, 5 will be at in X days?
'What will be the exact position of guy 1 on the 7th of October 2012, 15:00 GMT?' should be a valid question, or not?
he gets to relive and fool around in a 3 day period 12000 times, discovering various strategies to survive the 3 days and beyond
Omniscient voice question was answered earlier, he CAN ask where X person will be at X time, this doesn't mean he can get there in time, this also doesn't mean he has the ability to kill them. it's one question per day, with a 24 hour "future" foresight for the voice.
sorry, but the scenario gets more and more stupid.
Omniscient voice guy should easily have a billion or so dolares, he can have 20 assassin teams on call, that should easily do it.
also, IF he is omniscient, than groundhog guy is all out of luck, his position will be known, and he will be assassinated - our hit squads use radiation, explosives and poisonous gas.
can you put on the list one with mind control and/or mind read? with any sort of limitations, like only one order per person.
and i believe is far to put the invisible man in the fight.
my 7 man on the contest will be:
-stop time controller -invisible man -mind controller and reader. -death note owner -the one full of knowledge, i thought in the scenario where he has a PC with infinite speed where he can model whatever scenario possible on the earth. - teleporter - one that can duplicate any object, (coins, money, food, bullets, chlorine gas, nuclear weapons) ever will need one original, to make the copy.
the "Groundhog day" scenario is really hard to manage.
On October 03 2012 01:33 Demus wrote:Guy 3 seems to be the worst off. While guys 2, 4 and 5 have got some way of looking for the others, he really has to rely on things like the internet to find them. Has got the upper hand against guy 1 though, as long as guy 1 doesn't realise who guy 3 is while being in the immediate area (if they're on opposite ends of the world things get complicated).
Don't underestimate guy 3. He can easily set up some kind of setup where he controls a top officer of Interpol, putting him on the tracks of the 4 others before letting him die. He can give away the silhouettes and powers this way, and even get the data gathered by the police. Not saying this is sufficient to win, but should definitely not be underestimated.
the balance was so that it wasn't a 1-sided fight. Instead of it being Mace vs Sword vs Bow vs Axe vs Guy on a hill with a sniper It's Mace vs Sword vs Bow vs Axe vs Guy on a hill with a sniper that doesn't have a crosshair. (very VERY loose metaphor)
They all know each others powers, but not identity THEY HAD A YEAR TO TEST THEIR POWERS, in which they all left noticable signs if you were looking for it.
The groundhog guy doesn't "only get a year", because the 1st 3 days of that year are repeated 12000 times, and THEN the next 362 are played out (assuming it is activated immediately) He gets the full year, + 12000 lives at any given 3 day period.
On October 03 2012 01:27 Ikidomari wrote: IM SO SORRY I FORGOT TO INCLUDE IN THE OP They all know the silhouette and POWER belonging to each silhouette (Eg, they all know the death note is owned by a lean male, and that the ability to freeze time is owned by a small girl with long hair, or whatever it may be.)
If I was guy 4, I would use my questions first on the whereabouts of guy 3 because hes the only one with an weapon that I can use myself. He would be my first to be eliminated. I would need to keep my distance from him though, because if he obtains the shinigami eyes just one look of my face and I'm dead. But once I obtain the death note I would get the eyes myself because if I win and become a god, a shortened lifespan means nothing. I would use both powers to eliminate the rest of the people. I would also try to take advantage of guy 1 and guy 2's powers because they allow me once I obtain the death note to have a wider range of conditions to kill and manipulate them. I actually don't understand the powers of guy 5 really well though so this all can change on that.
im really sorry none of you understand the power of guy 5, my friends all understood it immediately D: ill try and make it as simple as possible
Guy relives THE SAME SET OF 3 DAYS 12000 times >1st time he dies on day 1 because he went to X location and bumped into teleporter >2nd try he now knows where teleporter will be at said time, and can narrow down who the teleporter is. >Repeat for 12000 times, he can learn who everyone is, where they will be at X time.
His only weakness is it would be impossible to kill them all in his 3 day period of utter supremacy.
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote: The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."
Or a variant that is more specific even. Unless the omniscient voice returns "You're SOL here, buddy"
It may be that there is no way for him to win.
So if he can't win, then we are down one winner. We could have him influence who wins, but we can instantly say he can't win.
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote: The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."
"It is impossible for you to win this fight"
If that's true, then we can eliminate him, and argue about the rest.
But we can't answer this kind os answer can we? Or else you'd just have to ask who will win.
That could be a good second question. Again, OP said it's an omniscient voice. You can ask any question.
well the voice could just say something like "whoever kills the other ones first"
On October 03 2012 01:42 xuanzue wrote: if the guy 4 kill the guy 3, can the guy 4 control the death note?
Yes. He won't necessarily know where it is though. unless he has it in his possession it is useless.
Might want to add this to the OP, by the way. It is kind of important to know.
Also might want to add that whether or not the person who kills number 3 knows what the book does or how it works if he comes into possession of the book.
On October 03 2012 01:27 Rimstalker wrote: I don't 'get' guy 5's superpower. If he dies in the 4th spot, his whole time is up, and the survivor becomes a god?
What stops omniscient voice in his head guy from asking for the exact location guy 1, 2, 3, 5 will be at in X days?
'What will be the exact position of guy 1 on the 7th of October 2012, 15:00 GMT?' should be a valid question, or not?
he gets to relive and fool around in a 3 day period 12000 times, discovering various strategies to survive the 3 days and beyond
Omniscient voice question was answered earlier, he CAN ask where X person will be at X time, this doesn't mean he can get there in time, this also doesn't mean he has the ability to kill them. it's one question per day, with a 24 hour "future" foresight for the voice.
sorry, but the scenario gets more and more stupid.
Omniscient voice guy should easily have a billion or so dolares, he can have 20 assassin teams on call, that should easily do it.
also, IF he is omniscient, than groundhog guy is all out of luck, his position will be known, and he will be assassinated - our hit squads use radiation, explosives and poisonous gas.
Yes, but GroundhogdayGuy(GDG), will also have unlimited resources, afterall, he would know everything that happened on the first day span.
Omniscient guy could ask how to trick death note guy into killing the other three while making him think omniscient guy was someone else. Then off death note guy at his leisure.
Or better yet, 'How can I rig a series of events that will end up with me winning and offing the other 4'.
If this is all in a groundhog day, while it's hard to know how groundhog day man's power affects stuff that goes on outside him, it doesn't matter-- since omniscient guy is omniscient, groundhog day man's power is taken into consideration when he asks his question, since he'll be asking it every day for 100 years, the answer may change from day to day, and he'll still get through, so groundhog day man's powers don't help him survive at all. Even if groundhog day man knows about omniscient guy, on the last day of groundhog day man's powers, omniscient guy will just do something that negates that knowledge, so it doesn't help him at all.
In fact omniscient guy, since he's omniscient, would have been doing an iterative strategy from the very beginning that took into consideration the fact that groundhog day kept happening (since he's omniscient), in effect using groundhog day man's power against him.
Basically, if it is possible for omniscient guy to win, he will win.
On October 03 2012 01:42 xuanzue wrote: if the guy 4 kill the guy 3, can the guy 4 control the death note?
Yes. He won't necessarily know where it is though. unless he has it in his possession it is useless.
then I'll call the guy 4 will win.
guy 4 only need to know who is guy 3 and where is. i suppose the universe isn't deterministic, so he can't ask for number of lottery. to make money he can ask for a loan shark, and how to kill the shark with any sort of poison/weapon. or he can ask how to cheat in any casino.
guy 4 can travel where the guy 3, and try to kill him, the voice can bring many ways to kill him. one time he's dead, will ask to the voice where the death note is.
and then ask the voice for the name of the others guys.
On October 03 2012 01:27 Rimstalker wrote: I don't 'get' guy 5's superpower. If he dies in the 4th spot, his whole time is up, and the survivor becomes a god?
What stops omniscient voice in his head guy from asking for the exact location guy 1, 2, 3, 5 will be at in X days?
'What will be the exact position of guy 1 on the 7th of October 2012, 15:00 GMT?' should be a valid question, or not?
he gets to relive and fool around in a 3 day period 12000 times, discovering various strategies to survive the 3 days and beyond
Omniscient voice question was answered earlier, he CAN ask where X person will be at X time, this doesn't mean he can get there in time, this also doesn't mean he has the ability to kill them. it's one question per day, with a 24 hour "future" foresight for the voice.
sorry, but the scenario gets more and more stupid.
Omniscient voice guy should easily have a billion or so dolares, he can have 20 assassin teams on call, that should easily do it.
also, IF he is omniscient, than groundhog guy is all out of luck, his position will be known, and he will be assassinated - our hit squads use radiation, explosives and poisonous gas.
Yes, but GroundhogdayGuy(GDG), will also have unlimited resources, afterall, he would know everything that happened on the first day span.
GHG is the "Hard Counter" to early Omniscient guy It would take a minimum of 5 days for omniscient to be in a position of power. Day 1: learn how to survive next 24 hours Day 2: Obtain money Day 3: learn location of others Day 4: Learn how to hire assassins and kill others Day 5: Repeat step 3 until others are dead
GHG does not have to worry about anyone at all in the 1st 3 days, as he cannot lose in this period.
On October 03 2012 01:44 Ikidomari wrote: im really sorry none of you understand the power of guy 5, my friends all understood it immediately D: ill try and make it as simple as possible
Guy relives THE SAME SET OF 3 DAYS 12000 times >1st time he dies on day 1 because he went to X location and bumped into teleporter >2nd try he now knows where teleporter will be at said time, and can narrow down who the teleporter is. >Repeat for 12000 times, he can learn who everyone is, where they will be at X time.
His only weakness is it would be impossible to kill them all in his 3 day period of utter supremacy.
Please answer my question how 12000x against OMNISCIENT all-out assault by proxy can do anything? If he is your average guy, he has no chance of beating a well-funded operation WITHOUT locking himself in in very inaccessible places - which would mean he dies anyway in the end.
On October 03 2012 01:42 xuanzue wrote: if the guy 4 kill the guy 3, can the guy 4 control the death note?
Yes. He won't necessarily know where it is though. unless he has it in his possession it is useless.
then I'll call the guy 4 will win.
guy 4 only need to know who is guy 3 and where is. i suppose the universe isn't deterministic, so he can't ask for number of lottery. to make money he can ask for a loan shark, and how to kill the shark with any sort of poison/weapon. or he can ask how to cheat in any casino.
guy 4 can travel where the guy 3, and try to kill him, the voice can bring many ways to kill him. one time he's dead, will ask to the voice where the death note is.
and then ask the voice for the name of the others guys.
the death note requires a face, which requires him to see someone personally. a voice, no matter how omniscient, cannot describe someone so well, and, say it could, the human brain is not powerful enough to perfectly imagine the face based off of a description.
Hyp1 : Only #4 (through omniscience) and #5 (a few centuries of detective work) have a decent chance of identifying the others in a reasonnable amout of time. In a first approach this information gives them a huge advantage. If #3 gets enough information and survives the initial slaughter, he probably wins.
If the first question of #4 gives the exact habilities, identity and localization of his targets, he could get killed by #5 before question 2, so he has to disclose #5 name to #3 to hope for a kill on #5 during the first day. This in turn means #5 has to kill #3 first, before he writes the death note, or get a kill on #4 before he contacts #3.
If #5 manages to kill #3 before he gets contacted by #4. Then, depending on plane schedule, #4 may or may not get a second question. If he does, it's "how do I avoid getting killed today ?". (Here we get to an interesting time paradox : should we suppose one fixed answer, or an everchanging answer, varying with the murder attempt made during this version of "today" ? )
Supposing #4 cannot be killed as long as he stays defensive (unless it is done through a deathnote), this means #5 must get #3 to issue a death note on #4 on D1, before killing #3 (D1 also). Then it is a matter of knowing if the various bottlenecks (identifying the targets, testing kills on #4, forcing #3 to write the needed deathnote, getting kills on #1/#2) can be achieved in the number of iterations he is given.
I would probably say yes.
Which would mean #4 has to start with another question than knowing his opponents, but which ?
On October 03 2012 01:44 Ikidomari wrote: im really sorry none of you understand the power of guy 5, my friends all understood it immediately D: ill try and make it as simple as possible
Guy relives THE SAME SET OF 3 DAYS 12000 times >1st time he dies on day 1 because he went to X location and bumped into teleporter >2nd try he now knows where teleporter will be at said time, and can narrow down who the teleporter is. >Repeat for 12000 times, he can learn who everyone is, where they will be at X time.
His only weakness is it would be impossible to kill them all in his 3 day period of utter supremacy.
Please answer my question how 12000x against OMNISCIENT all-out assault by proxy can do anything? If he is your average guy, he has no chance of beating a well-funded operation WITHOUT locking himself in in very inaccessible places - which would mean he dies anyway in the end.
answered in the post above yours. EDIT: Omnsicient would also be EZPZ to find the identity of. Look at the guys in the last year who went from average joe to billionaire winning the stock market inventing cure for cancer et cetera. he would be very quickly discovered, which is why he has to play more offensively than defensively.
On October 03 2012 01:27 Rimstalker wrote: I don't 'get' guy 5's superpower. If he dies in the 4th spot, his whole time is up, and the survivor becomes a god?
What stops omniscient voice in his head guy from asking for the exact location guy 1, 2, 3, 5 will be at in X days?
'What will be the exact position of guy 1 on the 7th of October 2012, 15:00 GMT?' should be a valid question, or not?
he gets to relive and fool around in a 3 day period 12000 times, discovering various strategies to survive the 3 days and beyond
Omniscient voice question was answered earlier, he CAN ask where X person will be at X time, this doesn't mean he can get there in time, this also doesn't mean he has the ability to kill them. it's one question per day, with a 24 hour "future" foresight for the voice.
sorry, but the scenario gets more and more stupid.
Omniscient voice guy should easily have a billion or so dolares, he can have 20 assassin teams on call, that should easily do it.
also, IF he is omniscient, than groundhog guy is all out of luck, his position will be known, and he will be assassinated - our hit squads use radiation, explosives and poisonous gas.
Yes, but GroundhogdayGuy(GDG), will also have unlimited resources, afterall, he would know everything that happened on the first day span.
GHG is the "Hard Counter" to early Omniscient guy It would take a minimum of 5 days for omniscient to be in a position of power. Day 1: learn how to survive next 24 hours Day 2: Obtain money Day 3: learn location of others Day 4: Learn how to hire assassins and kill others Day 5: Repeat step 3 until others are dead
GHG does not have to worry about anyone at all in the 1st 3 days, as he cannot lose in this period.
you are bending your rules as you go. You wrote they have one year to prepare. Omniscient wins lottery once, after that it's a bit of stock market trading and he has his billion. No way to track that down.
Step 1: Start by attaining a false ID with a fake name and clean his history so that there is no way of finding out his real name. (This process could include faking his own death, and asking his omniscient voice for help on how to remove himself from every database). Step 2: Ask the voice where guy #3 will be on time X. Step 3: Seek out guy #3, convince him to cooperate since 2v1v1v1 gives a higher chance of winning for those who cooperate. Guy #3 will hopefully follow along with guy #4's plans since he understands that a cooperation will insure that the other 3 guys will die. That will leave only 2 guys left, being him and guy #4. Step 4: Have guy #3 killing the other 3 guys with his death notes when guy #4 tells their name one per day (after asking his voice of course). Step 5: Guy #3 will likely try to kill guy #4 with his death notes, but will not succeed since he does not know his real name, and therefore can't write it on a paper. As guy #3 realises that it wasn't guy #4's real name. Guy #4 can use his complete knowledge to kill guy #3.
There are of course some holes here and there. For example, guy #3 might try to kill guy #4 with a regular weapon after the other three guys are dead, which guy #4 has to be careful about.
On October 03 2012 01:42 xuanzue wrote: if the guy 4 kill the guy 3, can the guy 4 control the death note?
Yes. He won't necessarily know where it is though. unless he has it in his possession it is useless.
then I'll call the guy 4 will win.
guy 4 only need to know who is guy 3 and where is. i suppose the universe isn't deterministic, so he can't ask for number of lottery. to make money he can ask for a loan shark, and how to kill the shark with any sort of poison/weapon. or he can ask how to cheat in any casino.
guy 4 can travel where the guy 3, and try to kill him, the voice can bring many ways to kill him. one time he's dead, will ask to the voice where the death note is.
and then ask the voice for the name of the others guys.
the death note requires a face, which requires him to see someone personally. a voice, no matter how omniscient, cannot describe someone so well, and, say it could, the human brain is not powerful enough to perfectly imagine the face based off of a description.
Give me the easiest way and login/password to access the police database in guy 1/2/5 country. Browse the id card database and find pictures. gg
On October 03 2012 01:27 Rimstalker wrote: I don't 'get' guy 5's superpower. If he dies in the 4th spot, his whole time is up, and the survivor becomes a god?
What stops omniscient voice in his head guy from asking for the exact location guy 1, 2, 3, 5 will be at in X days?
'What will be the exact position of guy 1 on the 7th of October 2012, 15:00 GMT?' should be a valid question, or not?
he gets to relive and fool around in a 3 day period 12000 times, discovering various strategies to survive the 3 days and beyond
Omniscient voice question was answered earlier, he CAN ask where X person will be at X time, this doesn't mean he can get there in time, this also doesn't mean he has the ability to kill them. it's one question per day, with a 24 hour "future" foresight for the voice.
sorry, but the scenario gets more and more stupid.
Omniscient voice guy should easily have a billion or so dolares, he can have 20 assassin teams on call, that should easily do it.
also, IF he is omniscient, than groundhog guy is all out of luck, his position will be known, and he will be assassinated - our hit squads use radiation, explosives and poisonous gas.
Yes, but GroundhogdayGuy(GDG), will also have unlimited resources, afterall, he would know everything that happened on the first day span.
GHG is the "Hard Counter" to early Omniscient guy It would take a minimum of 5 days for omniscient to be in a position of power. Day 1: learn how to survive next 24 hours Day 2: Obtain money Day 3: learn location of others Day 4: Learn how to hire assassins and kill others Day 5: Repeat step 3 until others are dead
GHG does not have to worry about anyone at all in the 1st 3 days, as he cannot lose in this period.
you are bending your rules as you go. You wrote they have one year to prepare. Omniscient wins lottery once, after that it's a bit of stock market trading and he has his billion. No way to track that down.
okay, remove the make money step, that's still 4 days until the he's able to learn the identity of and order a kill on someone Assume he has the hitmen already he's rich w/e. Assume under amazing circumstance he is able to learn the identity of, order a hit on, and have the assassins arive to GHG's location by the 3rd day, before the loop resets. GHG has 12'000 tries to not be in that place. and if it's impossible for him to live through that 3rd, final day, he still has the 1st 2 to discover the identity of and kill omniscient, 12000 times.
Groundhog day guy's ability is actually a curse, because his mental state can be affected by omniscient guy, in a way that is to omniscient guy's advantage, even if omniscient guy isn't aware of groundhog day.
At the beginning of every day he asks what he can do today to best influence his chances of winning. The omniscient entity inside his head is AWARE of the fact that it is a groundhog day, since it is omniscient, so gives advice that causes him to do something that will eventually influence groundhog day guy in a way that is beneficial to omniscient guy and of detriment to groundhog day guy.
The key question is, if they know during their 1 year training period that they need to compete against the others to the death in the next year.
Because if they are NOT aware that the competition is going to happen, its very unlikely that they won't "draw huge attention" during that training period. If you get a year of teleporting or time freezing just to fool around its highly probable to go megalomaniac and do stuff like appearing backstage on the victorias secret fashion show or to rob a bank or something and end up in the news some way or the other.
Also time freeze guy is within 5 hour travel distance simply stronger than teleporting guy, because for everyone else, time freeze guy is also "teleporting" if he moves, plus he can do other stuff during that time. And you can travel quite far in 5 hours when everything else is frozen.
Edit: You can also assume that everyone except GroundhogGuy is RICH AS FUCK after the one year of training. So monetary stuff is pretty much out of the equasion.
On October 03 2012 01:42 xuanzue wrote: if the guy 4 kill the guy 3, can the guy 4 control the death note?
Yes. He won't necessarily know where it is though. unless he has it in his possession it is useless.
then I'll call the guy 4 will win.
guy 4 only need to know who is guy 3 and where is. i suppose the universe isn't deterministic, so he can't ask for number of lottery. to make money he can ask for a loan shark, and how to kill the shark with any sort of poison/weapon. or he can ask how to cheat in any casino.
guy 4 can travel where the guy 3, and try to kill him, the voice can bring many ways to kill him. one time he's dead, will ask to the voice where the death note is.
and then ask the voice for the name of the others guys.
the death note requires a face, which requires him to see someone personally. a voice, no matter how omniscient, cannot describe someone so well, and, say it could, the human brain is not powerful enough to perfectly imagine the face based off of a description.
He can ask for the location of his target, go and look at his face for a sec and then proceed to kill the dude. As simple as that, being all knowing is so effing op
First day: I ask where can I get a bunch of money in a day Second day: I ask where is the safest place to hide from those guys (probably in some fast boat in an ocean or atomic Uboat - you could live there for a year) - find a ways to get it fast Third day I would ask: Where I can get best assassins for current situation - hire them Then such questions would be viable: where can I find epic mastermind to help me deal with a problem and how can I persuade him to help me?
other guys have weaknesses:
guy 1: if I send 5-6 waves of assasins every day for him - clearly he will be in position that he cant stop time guy 2 : he has to teleport back after he telepors away - just put an army and wait for him to come back guy 3 : for sure I will have enough time to get him and kill him first so he would not gather enough intel about me guy 5 : I bet if I were hiding in uboat, no way that he would be able to reach me in 3 days from any given point of earth - say in the middle of pacific. Provided he has no access to intel he will not pick decent spot to start his Groudhog day at required spot to reach me.
I think 3rd guy would be hardest for omniscient one as he would need to work fast against him - maybe even kill him using his bare hands in first few days (before trying to win lotery or become rich in 1-2 days so he would not get my photograph) - then I would work on hiding epicly and try to track what guy 5 is doing to be able to find safest place to hide. Then other 2 die and that leaves omniscient vs guy 5. I am still thinking at a decent way to counter him. Maybe get connections to be able to shut him down in any place in the world - like assasins network.
On October 03 2012 01:59 Penke wrote: Guy 4 could do this strategy:
Step 1: Start by attaining a false ID with a fake name and clean his history so that there is no way of finding out his real name. (This process could include faking his own death, and asking his omniscient voice for help on how to remove himself from every database). Step 2: Ask the voice where guy #3 will be on time X. Step 3: Seek out guy #3, convince him to cooperate since 2v1v1v1 gives a higher chance of winning for those who cooperate. Guy #3 will hopefully follow along with guy #4's plans since he understands that a cooperation will insure that the other 3 guys will die. That will leave only 2 guys left, being him and guy #4. Step 4: Have guy #3 killing the other 3 guys with his death notes when guy #4 tells their name one per day (after asking his voice of course). Step 5: Guy #3 will likely try to kill guy #4 with his death notes, but will not succeed since he does not know his real name, and therefore can't write it on a paper. As guy #3 realises that it wasn't guy #4's real name. Guy #4 can use his complete knowledge to kill guy #3.
There are of course some holes here and there. For example, guy #3 might try to kill guy #4 with a regular weapon after the other three guys are dead, which guy #4 has to be careful about.
The hitman strategy is probably better.
very good, let me offer a strategy to trump yours Groundhog guy dies of heart attack during his 3-day period Realized it was death note Instead teams up with death note Due to his ground hog day ability, he has thousands of attempts to find the identities of the others, this is highly probably achievable. Uses death note to kill all others Gets killed by death note finally? Has thousands of attempts to work out his only competitor in current scenario, death note guy
As many have pointed out, it would be nearly impossible for 1,2,3, guys to find others. If you can't find your targets, your superpower is basically useless because defending alone doesn't get you a win in this scenario.
On October 03 2012 02:03 antilyon wrote: How many times can GDG activate his ability? Only once in a lifespan? Edit:Teleport guy has just no chance on this.
why not? Teleport teams up with time freeze they time freeze works out location and name of others by freezing time and accessing CIA computers or whatever the fuck teleporter teleports time freeze and they systematically kill the others when only one remains, say, groundhog day, instead of teleporting time freeze to him, he teleports time freeze 100m under the ocean, and only teleports himself back out, he then has to deal with only ground hog day. assuming they make it past day 3, groundhog guy is just an ordinry dude with no powers
On October 03 2012 02:11 Orek wrote: As many have pointed out, it would be nearly impossible for 1,2,3, guys to find others. If you can't find your targets, your superpower is basically useless because defending alone doesn't get you a win in this scenario.
it's not that hard. due to the year they spent fooling around, only groundhog day would be impossible to track down they could likely find each other and form alliances.
On October 03 2012 02:03 antilyon wrote: How many times can GDG activate his ability? Only once in a lifespan? Edit:Teleport guy has just no chance on this.
why not? Teleport teams up with time freeze they time freeze works out location and name of others by freezing time and accessing CIA computers or whatever the fuck teleporter teleports time freeze and they systematically kill the others when only one remains, say, groundhog day, instead of teleporting time freeze to him, he teleports time freeze 100m under the ocean, and only teleports himself back out, he then has to deal with only ground hog day. assuming they make it past day 3, groundhog guy is just an ordinry dude with no powers
LOL, you are changing the rules as you wish? Now teleport guy can also teleport other persons? Also.... if the Time is FROZEN no fucking computer in the world will work. Especially NOTHING will work, during the time freeze part. No Electronics, no engines, nothing...
On October 03 2012 02:03 antilyon wrote: How many times can GDG activate his ability? Only once in a lifespan? Edit:Teleport guy has just no chance on this.
why not? Teleport teams up with time freeze they time freeze works out location and name of others by freezing time and accessing CIA computers or whatever the fuck teleporter teleports time freeze and they systematically kill the others when only one remains, say, groundhog day, instead of teleporting time freeze to him, he teleports time freeze 100m under the ocean, and only teleports himself back out, he then has to deal with only ground hog day. assuming they make it past day 3, groundhog guy is just an ordinry dude with no powers
LOL, you are changing the rules as you wish? Now teleport guy can also teleport other persons? Also.... if the Time is FROZEN no fucking computer in the world will work. Especially NOTHING will work, during the time freeze part. No Electronics, no engines, nothing...
hmm, i'm not really changing the rules per se, it's more i forgot to mention them. while at university we debated which rules would be allowed / not allowed, and what limitations were, i just forgot to mention them until prompted. i'm very sorry. IF A RULE SEEMS UNFAIR, ARGUE WITH ME. I'm not the be all and end all of the rules, if you point out an obvious flaw in something, or that something is unfair, i'll happily change it.
Your point on the computer is a very good one however. how about this. He can manipulate objects while time is frozen, so he could sneak in, kill someone while time is frozen, lock all doors to room, unfreeze time, start a download of CIA database sections he wanted, and freeze time again on his way out.
On October 03 2012 02:11 antilyon wrote: There's also another thing OP didn't sepecified. Does they know each other powers and who have those powers?
i did specify this, please read the thread D: >They know the silhouette of the others >they know which silhouette owns which power
Sorry about that :/ So, does GDG can activate his power more than once?
its a one off, once it's activated he can't stop it, he can't reactivated at a later date. he has to live through the same 3 days 12000 times. his main weakness will be his psyche at the end of it.
On October 03 2012 02:11 antilyon wrote: There's also another thing OP didn't sepecified. Does they know each other powers and who have those powers?
i did specify this, please read the thread D: >They know the silhouette of the others >they know which silhouette owns which power
Sorry about that :/ So, does GDG can activate his power more than once?
its a one off, once it's activated he can't stop it, he can't reactivated at a later date. he has to live through the same 3 days 12000 times. his main weakness will be his psyche at the end of it.
It sounds like he has to activate it consciously, so he wouldn't be able to do anything if he was assassinated in his sleep or something right? Or does it automatically activate the first time he dies?
It still seems like GDG is the really weird and complicated one.
So how exactly does his time loop interact with the rest of the world that the other guys are in? It sounds a lot like he basically has 12000 attempts to kill all the other guys within the a three day span and then in what the other guys would all experience as day 4 of the year long contest he becomes the unarmed guy in a gunfight.
Can omniscient guy's adviser account for changes in activities GDG will employ from "attempt to attempt"? And if so...how? He only has three questions or those three days, assuming it goes the full extent, yet GDG has 12000 iterations of those three days. How does time freeze guy's time freeze interact with GDG?
It seems like either a paradox, or they all effectively have 12000 attempts with regards to their interaction with GDG rendering his ability useless, or a next to certainty that he would end up winning thanks to so many 'lives' and so much time to figure things out and come up with a plan that kills the others all while they are in what they would experience as just the opening three days of the 'contest' and on step one of trying to identify and locate one another.
Also: Assuming he lives the days 'separately' from the others and they do not effectively have 12000 chances to deal with him as well then 12000 re-attempts of the same three day span represents many magnitudes more ability to have knowledge than three answered questions no matter how perfectly answered. Either GDG or not so "omniscient" guy is effectively powerless in light of the other and that is probably the quickest way to make the first cut.
On October 03 2012 02:11 antilyon wrote: There's also another thing OP didn't sepecified. Does they know each other powers and who have those powers?
i did specify this, please read the thread D: >They know the silhouette of the others >they know which silhouette owns which power
Sorry about that :/ So, does GDG can activate his power more than once?
its a one off, once it's activated he can't stop it, he can't reactivated at a later date. he has to live through the same 3 days 12000 times. his main weakness will be his psyche at the end of it.
It sounds like he has to activate it consciously, so he wouldn't be able to do anything if he was assassinated in his sleep or something right? Or does it automatically activate the first time he dies?
for the sake of consistency, lets assume from now on he doesnt choose when to activate it, it begins automatically, as soon as he wakes up on the first day of the 365 day period.
On October 03 2012 02:22 reapsen wrote: So the core question of this fun debate is not about who will "win" this, but how can we keep the fiction rolling? ;-)
YES! it was originally Person A: This is how i would win Person B: this strategy would beat yours Person C: This strategy counters yours Repeat for 3 hours in the library and 4 hours on skype
On October 03 2012 01:42 xuanzue wrote: if the guy 4 kill the guy 3, can the guy 4 control the death note?
Yes. He won't necessarily know where it is though. unless he has it in his possession it is useless.
then I'll call the guy 4 will win.
guy 4 only need to know who is guy 3 and where is. i suppose the universe isn't deterministic, so he can't ask for number of lottery. to make money he can ask for a loan shark, and how to kill the shark with any sort of poison/weapon. or he can ask how to cheat in any casino.
guy 4 can travel where the guy 3, and try to kill him, the voice can bring many ways to kill him. one time he's dead, will ask to the voice where the death note is.
and then ask the voice for the name of the others guys.
the death note requires a face, which requires him to see someone personally. a voice, no matter how omniscient, cannot describe someone so well, and, say it could, the human brain is not powerful enough to perfectly imagine the face based off of a description.
He can ask for the location of his target, go and look at his face for a sec and then proceed to kill the dude. As simple as that, being all knowing is so effing op
if i knew i was being hunted by a guy who needed my face to kill me, i'd probably put on some sort of mask
If GDG is only able to use his power once then surely he'll have used it up in the 'training period' before he knows he has to kill a set of people. He will be rich and a master of many things but he won't have any power to fight with.. bit of a shame really because he's my fave.
What's allowed during trial year needs to be clearer. If CIA computer is allowed in discussion to find out things in the trial period, then this is gonna be about who has the best chance to access the info first. All guy no.3 needs to do is find out other guys' names with the computer. Other guys need to prevent this scenario at all cost. Getting info during trial period is basically a free win for deathnote guy.
On October 03 2012 02:27 Irrelevant Label wrote: It still seems like GDG is the really weird and complicated one.
So how exactly does his time loop interact with the rest of the world that the other guys are in? It sounds a lot like he basically has 12000 attempts to kill all the other guys within the a three day span and then in what the other guys would all experience as day 4 of the year long contest he becomes the unarmed guy in a gunfight.
Can omniscient guy's adviser account for changes in activities GDG will employ from "attempt to attempt"? And if so...how? He only has three questions or those three days, assuming it goes the full extent, yet GDG has 12000 iterations of those three days. How does time freeze guy's time freeze interact with GDG?
It seems like either a paradox, or they all effectively have 12000 attempts with regards to their interaction with GDG rendering his ability useless, or a next to certainty that he would end up winning thanks to so many 'lives' and so much time to figure things out and come up with a plan that kills the others all while they are in what they would experience as just the opening three days of the 'contest' and on step one of trying to identify and locate one another.
Also: Assuming he lives the days 'separately' from the others and they do not effectively have 12000 chances to deal with him as well then 12000 re-attempts of the same three day span represents many magnitudes more ability to have knowledge than three answered questions no matter how perfectly answered. Either GDG or not so "omniscient" guy is effectively powerless in light of the other and that is probably the quickest way to make the first cut.
This seems reasonable. The key for GDG vs omniscient is: what would be the answer for "How can I kill GDG today?". If it rerolls everyday with the correct answer for the day, GDG is doomed, if the answer doesn't change then Omnscient is doomed.
On October 03 2012 02:27 Irrelevant Label wrote: It still seems like GDG is the really weird and complicated one.
So how exactly does his time loop interact with the rest of the world that the other guys are in? It sounds a lot like he basically has 12000 attempts to kill all the other guys within the a three day span and then in what the other guys would all experience as day 4 of the year long contest he becomes the unarmed guy in a gunfight.
Can omniscient guy's adviser account for changes in activities GDG will employ from "attempt to attempt"? And if so...how? He only has three questions or those three days, assuming it goes the full extent, yet GDG has 12000 iterations of those three days. How does time freeze guy's time freeze interact with GDG?
It seems like either a paradox, or they all effectively have 12000 attempts with regards to their interaction with GDG rendering his ability useless, or a next to certainty that he would end up winning thanks to so many 'lives' and so much time to figure things out and come up with a plan that kills the others all while they are in what they would experience as just the opening three days of the 'contest' and on step one of trying to identify and locate one another.
Also: Assuming he lives the days 'separately' from the others and they do not effectively have 12000 chances to deal with him as well then 12000 re-attempts of the same three day span represents many magnitudes more ability to have knowledge than three answered questions no matter how perfectly answered. Either GDG or not so "omniscient" guy is effectively powerless in light of the other and that is probably the quickest way to make the first cut.
thankyou for putting in so much thought, you raised a lot of good points.
He is aware of every other "Time loop" he lives through. the others are not. Yes, in day 4 he becomes the unarmed guy in a gun fight, but imagine, if you had 12000x3 days to LEARN what could you achieve? you could get a Ph.D in any field, learn any number of tactics for war, et cetera. knowledge is his power. use it.
The omniscient one is tricky. I think an optimal solution would be for it to only have knowledge of the current time loop. while this makes it not omniscient. it is omniscient enough for the purpose of most scenarios. the 24 hour rule works nicely here too. as each time loop is 3 days, on day 3 of time loop 1, the omniscient voice could see as far as day 1 of the NEXT loop, and all previous loops.
GDG Basically needs to eliminate as many contenders as possible IN HIS FINAL LOOP! as they will all be reborn, WITHOUT knowledge of being killed, in the next loop!
Groundhog Day man should just set his three day timer, use his do-overs to continually track and memorize each of the other contestants, find a way to kill each one of them in turn, reliving each scenario until he perfects the execution and succeeds (I assume it would take time and be exceedingly difficult, but he would have more than a lifetime of do-overs to get it right), and eventually he will have killed the other contestants at least once each, and hopefully still have time left on the 100 years of do-overs so that in his final reliving none of them has died, but since he killed all of them in his own alternate universes, he won the game and becomes a god since it is not specified in their dream that there must be only one left at one specific point in time. gg no re, am I right? Or am I nit-picking the rules so much that I'm breaking it?
On October 03 2012 02:37 Silencioseu wrote: teleporter is just too weak by his own, he needs to team up with time pause, but what's ensuring him that time pause won't kill him
teleporter is the hardest to win, sure, but he's also my favorite to win it :D there HAS TO be a way i can save him if he teams up with death note, i'm sure of it D:
Well if i read the thread correctly then the guys can team up, can't they? So teleport guy and omniscient guy team up. First day (when they are a team): Omniscient guy asks where is guy 1? Then the teleport guy teleports to him stabs, shoots or whatever he does he kills the person from behind. Second day : Omniscient guy asks where is guy 3 ? This isn't the same question because he asked for another person's location. Teleport guy kills him. After this there are 3 things that could happen. 1. Omniscient guy kills teleport guy when he comes back. 2. Teleport guy kills omniscient guy first. 3. They still are a team. Guy 5... he won't achieve anything because his ability is fucking useless.
On October 03 2012 02:27 Irrelevant Label wrote: It still seems like GDG is the really weird and complicated one.
So how exactly does his time loop interact with the rest of the world that the other guys are in? It sounds a lot like he basically has 12000 attempts to kill all the other guys within the a three day span and then in what the other guys would all experience as day 4 of the year long contest he becomes the unarmed guy in a gunfight.
Can omniscient guy's adviser account for changes in activities GDG will employ from "attempt to attempt"? And if so...how? He only has three questions or those three days, assuming it goes the full extent, yet GDG has 12000 iterations of those three days. How does time freeze guy's time freeze interact with GDG?
It seems like either a paradox, or they all effectively have 12000 attempts with regards to their interaction with GDG rendering his ability useless, or a next to certainty that he would end up winning thanks to so many 'lives' and so much time to figure things out and come up with a plan that kills the others all while they are in what they would experience as just the opening three days of the 'contest' and on step one of trying to identify and locate one another.
Also: Assuming he lives the days 'separately' from the others and they do not effectively have 12000 chances to deal with him as well then 12000 re-attempts of the same three day span represents many magnitudes more ability to have knowledge than three answered questions no matter how perfectly answered. Either GDG or not so "omniscient" guy is effectively powerless in light of the other and that is probably the quickest way to make the first cut.
thankyou for putting in so much thought, you raised a lot of good points.
He is aware of every other "Time loop" he lives through. the others are not. Yes, in day 4 he becomes the unarmed guy in a gun fight, but imagine, if you had 12000x3 days to LEARN what could you achieve? you could get a Ph.D in any field, learn any number of tactics for war, et cetera. knowledge is his power. use it.
The omniscient one is tricky. I think an optimal solution would be for it to only have knowledge of the current time loop. while this makes it not omniscient. it is omniscient enough for the purpose of most scenarios. the 24 hour rule works nicely here too. as each time loop is 3 days, on day 3 of time loop 1, the omniscient voice could see as far as day 1 of the NEXT loop, and all previous loops.
GDG Basically needs to eliminate as many contenders as possible IN HIS FINAL LOOP! as they will all be reborn, WITHOUT knowledge of being killed, in the next loop!
i thought GDG repeats those 3 days, he's knowledge is still limited because he starts from the same spot, repeating the same days, yes he can go different paths, but what can he really acheive during 3 days b4 restarting?
On October 03 2012 02:37 Silencioseu wrote: teleporter is just too weak by his own, he needs to team up with time pause, but what's ensuring him that time pause won't kill him
teleporter is the hardest to win, sure, but he's also my favorite to win it :D there HAS TO be a way i can save him if he teams up with death note, i'm sure of it D:
On October 03 2012 02:38 Kommatiazo wrote: Groundhog Day man should just set his three day timer, use his do-overs to continually track and memorize each of the other contestants, find a way to kill each one of them in turn, reliving each scenario until he perfects the execution and succeeds (I assume it would take time and be exceedingly difficult, but he would have more than a lifetime of do-overs to get it right), and eventually he will have killed the other contestants at least once each, and hopefully still have time left on the 100 years of do-overs so that in his final reliving none of them has died, but since he killed all of them in his own alternate universes, he won the game and becomes a god since it is not specified in their dream that there must be only one left at one specific point in time. gg no re, am I right? Or am I nit-picking the rules so much that I'm breaking it?
logically, the winner is the last one left alive. So you could interpret this as all 4 others dead simultaneously. so he has to kill them all in the same time loop. which is impossible due to different continents.
BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR GHG: Kill omniscient with <x> strategy he spent 1000 times perfecting. minimum 7 hours to fly there. Fly to another continent (Minimum 12 hours, what with transport and all) kill the death note guy. Another 12 hours to travel to the time stopper. who uses his 5 hours to put distance between himself and GHG. another 5+ hours to track him down. 12 hours to get to the teleporter, who conveniently teleports to the other side of the world. another 12 hours to reach him again, when he teleports back to the original location (Guess what, 12 hours) By now the 3 day period of GHG's dominance is over. teleporter has clear advantage and wins I KNEW I COULD SAVE HIM
On October 03 2012 02:27 Irrelevant Label wrote: It still seems like GDG is the really weird and complicated one.
So how exactly does his time loop interact with the rest of the world that the other guys are in? It sounds a lot like he basically has 12000 attempts to kill all the other guys within the a three day span and then in what the other guys would all experience as day 4 of the year long contest he becomes the unarmed guy in a gunfight.
Can omniscient guy's adviser account for changes in activities GDG will employ from "attempt to attempt"? And if so...how? He only has three questions or those three days, assuming it goes the full extent, yet GDG has 12000 iterations of those three days. How does time freeze guy's time freeze interact with GDG?
It seems like either a paradox, or they all effectively have 12000 attempts with regards to their interaction with GDG rendering his ability useless, or a next to certainty that he would end up winning thanks to so many 'lives' and so much time to figure things out and come up with a plan that kills the others all while they are in what they would experience as just the opening three days of the 'contest' and on step one of trying to identify and locate one another.
Also: Assuming he lives the days 'separately' from the others and they do not effectively have 12000 chances to deal with him as well then 12000 re-attempts of the same three day span represents many magnitudes more ability to have knowledge than three answered questions no matter how perfectly answered. Either GDG or not so "omniscient" guy is effectively powerless in light of the other and that is probably the quickest way to make the first cut.
thankyou for putting in so much thought, you raised a lot of good points.
He is aware of every other "Time loop" he lives through. the others are not. Yes, in day 4 he becomes the unarmed guy in a gun fight, but imagine, if you had 12000x3 days to LEARN what could you achieve? you could get a Ph.D in any field, learn any number of tactics for war, et cetera. knowledge is his power. use it.
The omniscient one is tricky. I think an optimal solution would be for it to only have knowledge of the current time loop. while this makes it not omniscient. it is omniscient enough for the purpose of most scenarios. the 24 hour rule works nicely here too. as each time loop is 3 days, on day 3 of time loop 1, the omniscient voice could see as far as day 1 of the NEXT loop, and all previous loops.
GDG Basically needs to eliminate as many contenders as possible IN HIS FINAL LOOP! as they will all be reborn, WITHOUT knowledge of being killed, in the next loop!
i thought GDG repeats those 3 days, he's knowledge is still limited because he starts from the same spot, repeating the same days, yes he can go different paths, but what can he really acheive during 3 days b4 restarting?
he has the internet at his exposal. you can learn a lot. (Even is 99.9999% of it is lies) Libraries also exist.
Guy 5 would kill himself before anyone had the chance. Kinda obvious outcome there. He might be fine looping through the first time, and maybe even the second time, but eventually he'd just go insane.
Best combo is death note guy and omniscient guy teaming up, then omniscient guy killing the death note guy before he discovers his name (or death note guy discovering his name first).
Teleporting guy really stands no chance, since he has no idea where anyone is. Time guy would stand a chance if he actually had a way to get to everyone.
Alone the omniscient guy is really the only one with a chance, since he can just take his time getting info and planning things out.
Honestly it's not even a fair fight. Only 2 of the 5 stand a chance to begin with.
On October 03 2012 02:27 Irrelevant Label wrote: It still seems like GDG is the really weird and complicated one.
So how exactly does his time loop interact with the rest of the world that the other guys are in? It sounds a lot like he basically has 12000 attempts to kill all the other guys within the a three day span and then in what the other guys would all experience as day 4 of the year long contest he becomes the unarmed guy in a gunfight.
Can omniscient guy's adviser account for changes in activities GDG will employ from "attempt to attempt"? And if so...how? He only has three questions or those three days, assuming it goes the full extent, yet GDG has 12000 iterations of those three days. How does time freeze guy's time freeze interact with GDG?
It seems like either a paradox, or they all effectively have 12000 attempts with regards to their interaction with GDG rendering his ability useless, or a next to certainty that he would end up winning thanks to so many 'lives' and so much time to figure things out and come up with a plan that kills the others all while they are in what they would experience as just the opening three days of the 'contest' and on step one of trying to identify and locate one another.
Also: Assuming he lives the days 'separately' from the others and they do not effectively have 12000 chances to deal with him as well then 12000 re-attempts of the same three day span represents many magnitudes more ability to have knowledge than three answered questions no matter how perfectly answered. Either GDG or not so "omniscient" guy is effectively powerless in light of the other and that is probably the quickest way to make the first cut.
thankyou for putting in so much thought, you raised a lot of good points.
He is aware of every other "Time loop" he lives through. the others are not. Yes, in day 4 he becomes the unarmed guy in a gun fight, but imagine, if you had 12000x3 days to LEARN what could you achieve? you could get a Ph.D in any field, learn any number of tactics for war, et cetera. knowledge is his power. use it.
The omniscient one is tricky. I think an optimal solution would be for it to only have knowledge of the current time loop. while this makes it not omniscient. it is omniscient enough for the purpose of most scenarios. the 24 hour rule works nicely here too. as each time loop is 3 days, on day 3 of time loop 1, the omniscient voice could see as far as day 1 of the NEXT loop, and all previous loops.
GDG Basically needs to eliminate as many contenders as possible IN HIS FINAL LOOP! as they will all be reborn, WITHOUT knowledge of being killed, in the next loop!
i thought GDG repeats those 3 days, he's knowledge is still limited because he starts from the same spot, repeating the same days, yes he can go different paths, but what can he really acheive during 3 days b4 restarting?
he has the internet at his exposal. you can learn a lot. (Even is 99.9999% of it is lies) Libraries also exist.
I'm really sorry this thread turned into you guys poking (obvious) holes into my thread, clearly I needed to be far more specific in the rules at the start to make this thread Into "TL members debate over who would win and have fun arguments" rather than "TL Members call Ikidomari out on his shitty game and he has to make new rules to balance the game, annoying people whose strategy is now broken"
My god.. Is this.. how blizzard always feels? Is it truly this horrible?
On October 03 2012 01:42 xuanzue wrote: if the guy 4 kill the guy 3, can the guy 4 control the death note?
Yes. He won't necessarily know where it is though. unless he has it in his possession it is useless.
then I'll call the guy 4 will win.
guy 4 only need to know who is guy 3 and where is. i suppose the universe isn't deterministic, so he can't ask for number of lottery. to make money he can ask for a loan shark, and how to kill the shark with any sort of poison/weapon. or he can ask how to cheat in any casino.
guy 4 can travel where the guy 3, and try to kill him, the voice can bring many ways to kill him. one time he's dead, will ask to the voice where the death note is.
and then ask the voice for the name of the others guys.
the death note requires a face, which requires him to see someone personally. a voice, no matter how omniscient, cannot describe someone so well, and, say it could, the human brain is not powerful enough to perfectly imagine the face based off of a description.
the voice can give him advice to get the face of the other contenders. could be accessing DB of social network, or DB of governments.
Basically the guy 4 has now the power of guy 3 + the voice.
On October 03 2012 01:59 Penke wrote: Guy 4 could do this strategy:
Step 1: Start by attaining a false ID with a fake name and clean his history so that there is no way of finding out his real name. (This process could include faking his own death, and asking his omniscient voice for help on how to remove himself from every database). Step 2: Ask the voice where guy #3 will be on time X. Step 3: Seek out guy #3, convince him to cooperate since 2v1v1v1 gives a higher chance of winning for those who cooperate. Guy #3 will hopefully follow along with guy #4's plans since he understands that a cooperation will insure that the other 3 guys will die. That will leave only 2 guys left, being him and guy #4. Step 4: Have guy #3 killing the other 3 guys with his death notes when guy #4 tells their name one per day (after asking his voice of course). Step 5: Guy #3 will likely try to kill guy #4 with his death notes, but will not succeed since he does not know his real name, and therefore can't write it on a paper. As guy #3 realises that it wasn't guy #4's real name. Guy #4 can use his complete knowledge to kill guy #3.
There are of course some holes here and there. For example, guy #3 might try to kill guy #4 with a regular weapon after the other three guys are dead, which guy #4 has to be careful about.
The hitman strategy is probably better.
very good, let me offer a strategy to trump yours Groundhog guy dies of heart attack during his 3-day period Realized it was death note Instead teams up with death note Due to his ground hog day ability, he has thousands of attempts to find the identities of the others, this is highly probably achievable. Uses death note to kill all others Gets killed by death note finally? Has thousands of attempts to work out his only competitor in current scenario, death note guy
True, but this is assuming guy #3 will be killed during his 3 day period which I think is unlikely.
On October 03 2012 02:52 Ikidomari wrote: I'm really sorry this thread turned into you guys poking (obvious) holes into my thread, clearly I needed to be far more specific in the rules at the start to make this thread Into "TL members debate over who would win and have fun arguments" rather than "TL Members call Ikidomari out on his shitty game and he has to make new rules to balance the game, annoying people whose strategy is now broken"
My god.. Is this.. how blizzard always feels? Is it truly this horrible?
I guess you hit a... Ikidomari. YEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
JK, don't worry, it's all in good fun, until someone gets temp banned :p
On October 03 2012 02:52 Ikidomari wrote: I'm really sorry this thread turned into you guys poking (obvious) holes into my thread, clearly I needed to be far more specific in the rules at the start to make this thread Into "TL members debate over who would win and have fun arguments" rather than "TL Members call Ikidomari out on his shitty game and he has to make new rules to balance the game, annoying people whose strategy is now broken"
My god.. Is this.. how blizzard always feels? Is it truly this horrible?
LOL. Obviously poking holes is exacly the point of this game. Starcraft doesn't have ambiguity issue. It only has balance issue. This thread's game has ambiguity issue that plays a huge role in the outcome of the game. I don't think this is a horrible game, but if you are tired of defining some of the rules, then probably you should stop.
On October 03 2012 02:38 Kommatiazo wrote: Groundhog Day man should just set his three day timer, use his do-overs to continually track and memorize each of the other contestants, find a way to kill each one of them in turn, reliving each scenario until he perfects the execution and succeeds (I assume it would take time and be exceedingly difficult, but he would have more than a lifetime of do-overs to get it right), and eventually he will have killed the other contestants at least once each, and hopefully still have time left on the 100 years of do-overs so that in his final reliving none of them has died, but since he killed all of them in his own alternate universes, he won the game and becomes a god since it is not specified in their dream that there must be only one left at one specific point in time. gg no re, am I right? Or am I nit-picking the rules so much that I'm breaking it?
logically, the winner is the last one left alive. So you could interpret this as all 4 others dead simultaneously. so he has to kill them all in the same time loop. which is impossible due to different continents.
BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR GHG: Kill omniscient with <x> strategy he spent 1000 times perfecting. minimum 7 hours to fly there. Fly to another continent (Minimum 12 hours, what with transport and all) kill the death note guy. Another 12 hours to travel to the time stopper. who uses his 5 hours to put distance between himself and GHG. another 5+ hours to track him down. 12 hours to get to the teleporter, who conveniently teleports to the other side of the world. another 12 hours to reach him again, when he teleports back to the original location (Guess what, 12 hours) By now the 3 day period of GHG's dominance is over. teleporter has clear advantage and wins I KNEW I COULD SAVE HIM
GHG cant fight freeze guy, because freeze guy wont run away, he will just freeze time and kill GHG in that 5 hours, ending the recent 3 day period.
Without putting to much thought into it and not reading much in the thread, it has to be guy 4 or 5. Groundhog day guy has basically a 100 years to figure out who and where the other 4 guys are and be able to kill them all within 3 days, seems incredible difficult but 100 years is a long time. If he doesnt manage to do it the that time then for sure guy 4 wins.
EDIT: actually if guy 4 is smart enough he could kill them all within the first 3 days anyway, first question is Who are the other 4 guys, second Where are they, third What is their powers. Gets on a plane on the last day to find deathnote guy kills him and writes the other 3 guys names in the book. Case closed.
On October 03 2012 02:52 Ikidomari wrote: I'm really sorry this thread turned into you guys poking (obvious) holes into my thread, clearly I needed to be far more specific in the rules at the start to make this thread Into "TL members debate over who would win and have fun arguments" rather than "TL Members call Ikidomari out on his shitty game and he has to make new rules to balance the game, annoying people whose strategy is now broken"
My god.. Is this.. how blizzard always feels? Is it truly this horrible?
I guess you hit a... Ikidomari. YEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
JK, don't worry, it's all in good fun, until someone gets temp banned :p
OH GOD YOU GOOGLE TRANSLATED MY NAME D: (Or you know japanese which would be awesome) I picked up the name after watching Mirai Nikki, which is, coincidentally.. somewhat like this thread >.> <.<
On October 03 2012 02:52 Ikidomari wrote: I'm really sorry this thread turned into you guys poking (obvious) holes into my thread, clearly I needed to be far more specific in the rules at the start to make this thread Into "TL members debate over who would win and have fun arguments" rather than "TL Members call Ikidomari out on his shitty game and he has to make new rules to balance the game, annoying people whose strategy is now broken"
My god.. Is this.. how blizzard always feels? Is it truly this horrible?
I actually think this game is far beyond awesome and I can't stop thinking about new tactics!!! This will probably ruin my exam in 2 days but whatever.
I want the movie rights for this, this would be such an awesome movie to make, great potential, sad im not able to make one..
Back to topic:
Don't underestimate the teleport guy. In the description it is mentioned that he has to port back otherwise he "loses his power." If i were him i would teleport to a place that is impossible for another human to reach ( not even with omniscient voice, because you said he will talk about things that aren't even invented yet) and can't been reached with 12000 days of research(assuming guy #5 isn't fucking einstein). Then i would chill there without my power and wait till everyone else killed each other ( which will most likely happen because they want to kill each other to win) and therefore win the game. I think hiding and not getting involved in anything has always been the best tactic if you want to stay alive (Look at switzerland )
On October 03 2012 02:52 Ikidomari wrote: I'm really sorry this thread turned into you guys poking (obvious) holes into my thread, clearly I needed to be far more specific in the rules at the start to make this thread Into "TL members debate over who would win and have fun arguments" rather than "TL Members call Ikidomari out on his shitty game and he has to make new rules to balance the game, annoying people whose strategy is now broken"
My god.. Is this.. how blizzard always feels? Is it truly this horrible?
LOL. Obviously poking holes is exacly the point of this game. Starcraft doesn't have ambiguity issue. It only has balance issue. This thread's game has ambiguity issue that plays a huge role in the outcome of the game. I don't think this is a horrible game, but if you are tired of defining some of the rules, then probably you should stop.
I didn't think of it that way, it was more of a joke reference than a serious one. I don't really mind defining rules, it just seems to me, that you guys think i am "Making up" the rules to keep the thread alive, which i guess, I sort of am. If i could do this thread over it would be "Here are 5 super powers, who would win?" And we would idk, have poles when we reached a flaw EG. Omniscient guy is OP, here are 5 solutions, 1st solution to get 10 votes sticks
I am in no way tired of this thread, and wouldn't stop replying if i had any other choice. however, 12 hours from writing this i will be giving a 15 minute speech which i am yet to write. so i should probably get onto that pretty soon >.> (I also "need" to sleep between now and then). Ill probably keep posting for another 20 mins or so
On October 03 2012 02:52 Ikidomari wrote: I'm really sorry this thread turned into you guys poking (obvious) holes into my thread, clearly I needed to be far more specific in the rules at the start to make this thread Into "TL members debate over who would win and have fun arguments" rather than "TL Members call Ikidomari out on his shitty game and he has to make new rules to balance the game, annoying people whose strategy is now broken"
My god.. Is this.. how blizzard always feels? Is it truly this horrible?
I actually think this game is far beyond awesome and I can't stop thinking about new tactics!!! This will probably ruin my exam in 2 days but whatever.
I want the movie rights for this, this would be such an awesome movie to make, great potential, sad im not able to make one..
Back to topic:
Don't underestimate the teleport guy. In the description it is mentioned that he has to port back otherwise he "loses his power." If i were him i would teleport to a place that is impossible for another human to reach ( not even with omniscient voice, because you said he will talk about things that aren't even invented yet) and can't been reached with 12000 days of research(assuming guy #5 isn't fucking einstein). Then i would chill there without my power and wait till everyone else killed each other ( which will most likely happen because they want to kill each other to win) and therefore win the game. I think hiding and not getting involved in anything has always been the best tactic if you want to stay alive (Look at switzerland )
I LOVE YOU However, assuming the last 2 excluding teleport would kill each other off is pretty unreasonable, teleport guy will eventually have to, even without his power, kill the victor of the other 4. not impossible, but not easy. you can have the movie rights so long as I get the book rights. also we may have to watch out, or change some things because "Mirai Nikki" is extremely similar
a group of people fight for the right to become god, they are each given a CELLPHONE with future reading powers. One is all knowing, One is based on the owner of the all knowing ones owner, two are paired together, there are so many, it's so awesome, just watch it dude!
On October 03 2012 02:52 Ikidomari wrote: I'm really sorry this thread turned into you guys poking (obvious) holes into my thread, clearly I needed to be far more specific in the rules at the start to make this thread Into "TL members debate over who would win and have fun arguments" rather than "TL Members call Ikidomari out on his shitty game and he has to make new rules to balance the game, annoying people whose strategy is now broken"
My god.. Is this.. how blizzard always feels? Is it truly this horrible?
I actually think this game is far beyond awesome and I can't stop thinking about new tactics!!! This will probably ruin my exam in 2 days but whatever.
I want the movie rights for this, this would be such an awesome movie to make, great potential, sad im not able to make one..
Back to topic:
Don't underestimate the teleport guy. In the description it is mentioned that he has to port back otherwise he "loses his power." If i were him i would teleport to a place that is impossible for another human to reach ( not even with omniscient voice, because you said he will talk about things that aren't even invented yet) and can't been reached with 12000 days of research(assuming guy #5 isn't fucking einstein). Then i would chill there without my power and wait till everyone else killed each other ( which will most likely happen because they want to kill each other to win) and therefore win the game. I think hiding and not getting involved in anything has always been the best tactic if you want to stay alive (Look at switzerland )
There's just one thing you forgot: "-if a winner is not selected by the end of 1 year, they all die regardless". But unless he gets one shot killed, it's pretty hard to kill him since he would just teleport on any sign of danger.
On October 03 2012 02:37 antilyon wrote: The key for GDG vs omniscient is: what would be the answer for "How can I kill GDG today?". If it rerolls everyday with the correct answer for the day, GDG is doomed, if the answer doesn't change then Omnscient is doomed.
I think we have a winner here. Because as long as GHG is interacting with society he is reachable by the omniscient guy (plane from europe to australia is ~12h flight which leaves 12h to reach every other point on the planet. which would imply that omniscient guy has a fuckton of money at disposal from his 1 year of messing around. Only counter to this would be if he draw too much attention and deathnote guy somehow guesses his ID). And it doesn't matter if GHG changes his behavior because omniscient's answers change with the behavior of GHG, he could try as often as he wanted, he couldn't crack omniscient guy. Maybe a better question would be though: How do I kill him today without getting killed myself.
On October 03 2012 02:37 antilyon wrote: The key for GDG vs omniscient is: what would be the answer for "How can I kill GDG today?". If it rerolls everyday with the correct answer for the day, GDG is doomed, if the answer doesn't change then Omnscient is doomed.
I think we have a winner here. Because as long as GHG is interacting with society he is reachable by the omniscient guy (plane from europe to australia is ~12h flight which leaves 12h to reach every other point on the planet. which would imply that omniscient guy has a fuckton of money at disposal from his 1 year of messing around. Only counter to this would be if he draw too much attention and deathnote guy somehow guesses his ID). And it doesn't matter if GHG changes his behavior because omniscient's answers change with the behavior of GHG, he could try as often as he wanted, he couldn't crack omniscient guy. Maybe a better question would be though: How do I kill him today without getting killed myself.
1 day to find location (and get there) GHG has minimum 12 hrs to prepare and omniscient used his question for LOCATION he can walk into the room, straight into a man pointing a gun at him ???? GHG gains control over omniscient, forcing him to be his ally. omniscient made it easier for GHG.
On October 03 2012 02:52 Ikidomari wrote: I'm really sorry this thread turned into you guys poking (obvious) holes into my thread, clearly I needed to be far more specific in the rules at the start to make this thread Into "TL members debate over who would win and have fun arguments" rather than "TL Members call Ikidomari out on his shitty game and he has to make new rules to balance the game, annoying people whose strategy is now broken"
My god.. Is this.. how blizzard always feels? Is it truly this horrible?
I actually think this game is far beyond awesome and I can't stop thinking about new tactics!!! This will probably ruin my exam in 2 days but whatever.
I want the movie rights for this, this would be such an awesome movie to make, great potential, sad im not able to make one..
Back to topic:
Don't underestimate the teleport guy. In the description it is mentioned that he has to port back otherwise he "loses his power." If i were him i would teleport to a place that is impossible for another human to reach ( not even with omniscient voice, because you said he will talk about things that aren't even invented yet) and can't been reached with 12000 days of research(assuming guy #5 isn't fucking einstein). Then i would chill there without my power and wait till everyone else killed each other ( which will most likely happen because they want to kill each other to win) and therefore win the game. I think hiding and not getting involved in anything has always been the best tactic if you want to stay alive (Look at switzerland )
I LOVE YOU However, assuming the last 2 excluding teleport would kill each other off is pretty unreasonable, teleport guy will eventually have to, even without his power, kill the victor of the other 4. not impossible, but not easy. you can have the movie rights so long as I get the book rights. also we may have to watch out, or change some things because "Mirai Nikki" is extremely similar
a group of people fight for the right to become god, they are each given a CELLPHONE with future reading powers. One is all knowing, One is based on the owner of the all knowing ones owner, two are paired together, there are so many, it's so awesome, just watch it dude!
Wow i will watch that one tommorow Yeah right thats a bit of a problem, but i would assume that guy #5 is able to kill everyone else in that time and he will lose his superpower after all that time so he will be an easy victim if he hasn't killed himself already.
And we should start a kickstarter project to finance that movie together.
Okay, maybe I'm misinterpreting this, but let's say if #1 kills #3 DURING GHG's 3 day cycle, at the beginning of the next cycle, #3's back up and kicking right? I mean, realistically, GHG should win since during those 3 days, everyone else will keep the same habits, right?
On October 03 2012 03:25 Kimaker wrote: Okay, maybe I'm misinterpreting this, but let's say if #1 kills #3 DURING GHG's 3 day cycle, at the beginning of the next cycle, #3's back up and kicking right? I mean, realistically, GHG should win since during those 3 days, everyone else will keep the same habits, right?
nope. if omniscient guy asks the "right" questions he will change his behavior according to GHGs behavior.
FUCK IT!!! I wouldn't choose any of them. I'll choose the UPS driver that just drove by my house. His only power is that he can look amazing in short-shorts.
On October 03 2012 02:37 antilyon wrote: The key for GDG vs omniscient is: what would be the answer for "How can I kill GDG today?". If it rerolls everyday with the correct answer for the day, GDG is doomed, if the answer doesn't change then Omnscient is doomed.
I think we have a winner here. Because as long as GHG is interacting with society he is reachable by the omniscient guy (plane from europe to australia is ~12h flight which leaves 12h to reach every other point on the planet. which would imply that omniscient guy has a fuckton of money at disposal from his 1 year of messing around. Only counter to this would be if he draw too much attention and deathnote guy somehow guesses his ID). And it doesn't matter if GHG changes his behavior because omniscient's answers change with the behavior of GHG, he could try as often as he wanted, he couldn't crack omniscient guy. Maybe a better question would be though: How do I kill him today without getting killed myself.
1 day to find location (and get there) GHG has minimum 12 hrs to prepare and omniscient used his question for LOCATION he can walk into the room, straight into a man pointing a gun at him ???? GHG gains control over omniscient, forcing him to be his ally. omniscient made it easier for GHG.
darn. did you nerf his ability so he can't ask how to kill him? I mean, location all fine and good but you don't have to walk into the building GHG is in when you could sent a cruise missile
On October 03 2012 03:25 Kimaker wrote: Okay, maybe I'm misinterpreting this, but let's say if #1 kills #3 DURING GHG's 3 day cycle, at the beginning of the next cycle, #3's back up and kicking right? I mean, realistically, GHG should win since during those 3 days, everyone else will keep the same habits, right?
you arent thinking with portals yes, #3 is alive and kicking again, but noone has memory of his death except GHG (If he happened to find out in his 3 days) The butterfly effect is potentially huge, and would hinder GHG greatly >He kills 1 at 12:00 >1 --would have-- met up with and allied with 2 at 1:00 >2 is now somewhere completely different, GHG has to work this out.
>there are 7 billion people for GHG to potentially interact with, the smallest thing could change the entire world. theoretically.
On October 03 2012 02:37 antilyon wrote: The key for GDG vs omniscient is: what would be the answer for "How can I kill GDG today?". If it rerolls everyday with the correct answer for the day, GDG is doomed, if the answer doesn't change then Omnscient is doomed.
I think we have a winner here. Because as long as GHG is interacting with society he is reachable by the omniscient guy (plane from europe to australia is ~12h flight which leaves 12h to reach every other point on the planet. which would imply that omniscient guy has a fuckton of money at disposal from his 1 year of messing around. Only counter to this would be if he draw too much attention and deathnote guy somehow guesses his ID). And it doesn't matter if GHG changes his behavior because omniscient's answers change with the behavior of GHG, he could try as often as he wanted, he couldn't crack omniscient guy. Maybe a better question would be though: How do I kill him today without getting killed myself.
1 day to find location (and get there) GHG has minimum 12 hrs to prepare and omniscient used his question for LOCATION he can walk into the room, straight into a man pointing a gun at him ???? GHG gains control over omniscient, forcing him to be his ally. omniscient made it easier for GHG.
darn. did you nerf his ability so he can't ask how to kill him? I mean, location all fine and good but you don't have to walk into the building GHG is in when you could sent a cruise missile
>Send cruise missile >Army (or whatever) fucks you up game over man, game over, you asked his location, you cant ask how to beat the army now!
as i see it, voice guy is the only one with a reliable way of tracking the others down. considering they are spread all over the world this makes him the strongest pretty much no? the fact that they understand each other in their natural language may also play a role, as any time they speek in public they would instantly demask themselves to some of the others guys, if they are around.
Guy 4 and 5 would just go insane. Therefore Freeze time guy would win. While deathnote guy writes down the name, freeze guy would just freeze time and kill him before the name is fully written. I'm guessing teleport guy is just like the movie jumper. Freeze guy would just eventually steal enough money to fund a militia and hunt teleport guy down.
Meanwhile Guy 5 would commit suicide after having to experience that much time. Guy 4 would become insane after asking the wrong questions and being filled with corrupt/unimaginable knowledge. Some ambitious question like, Can you explain everything?
Or you could go with the easy explanation that they just all commit suicide when they realize they don't want to live forever.
On October 03 2012 00:59 Ikidomari wrote: they're in different countries. 5 hours isn't enough to get from Japan > Australia > America > Britain > Korea without planes (they don't move when time is frozen) Groundhog day guy gets killed immediately, realizes this is a problem for his remaining 12174 attempts, thinks of a way out of it
either i didn't include it or you didn't read, they're in a dream when they're told of the scenario, not physically together, they wake up in their respective countries.
A few things to consider: - they might not have money if one of their virtues is honesty - i guess it would be easy to get fat / get surgery / chop off a finger or two if you needed to change your looks - is killing a necesity? accidents might happen [...]
I'm surprised a lot of people go with #4. Knowing is one thing, getting to live a moment tens / hundreds of times is astonishing. My money is on GHG. A lifetime to plan the death of 4 people? Take it anytime, especially considering each and every one of them left "signs". First guy is hard-countered by sunday night ^^.
If anyone hasn't mentioned it before: This would be about the best movie plot imagineable.
99% of movie from omni and time freeze PoV, then the ending is the ghg guy telling his nephews a bedtime story zzzziiiiiinnggg.
On October 03 2012 02:37 antilyon wrote: The key for GDG vs omniscient is: what would be the answer for "How can I kill GDG today?". If it rerolls everyday with the correct answer for the day, GDG is doomed, if the answer doesn't change then Omnscient is doomed.
I think we have a winner here. Because as long as GHG is interacting with society he is reachable by the omniscient guy (plane from europe to australia is ~12h flight which leaves 12h to reach every other point on the planet. which would imply that omniscient guy has a fuckton of money at disposal from his 1 year of messing around. Only counter to this would be if he draw too much attention and deathnote guy somehow guesses his ID). And it doesn't matter if GHG changes his behavior because omniscient's answers change with the behavior of GHG, he could try as often as he wanted, he couldn't crack omniscient guy. Maybe a better question would be though: How do I kill him today without getting killed myself.
1 day to find location (and get there) GHG has minimum 12 hrs to prepare and omniscient used his question for LOCATION he can walk into the room, straight into a man pointing a gun at him ???? GHG gains control over omniscient, forcing him to be his ally. omniscient made it easier for GHG.
darn. did you nerf his ability so he can't ask how to kill him? I mean, location all fine and good but you don't have to walk into the building GHG is in when you could sent a cruise missile
>Send cruise missile >Army (or whatever) fucks you up game over man, game over, you asked his location, you cant ask how to beat the army now!
It was just a stupid exaggeration. The question would be: how do I kill GHG today without getting killed/disabling myself. The answer then doesn't have to include "walking up to GHG". Some sort of this question should be the winner, because the answer varies through the behavior of GHG.
Also I'd like to ask a question because theoretically you could survive death by heart attack through reanimation. Yes, you would be (clinically) dead for like 5 mins but that must not necessarily cause "severe" damage to braincells.
E: according to WP, 3 mins without reanimating measures is most likely the point of no return for a brain without oxigen.
The argument is pretty dumb, because anything anyone says will just have "but what if omniscient guy asks this very specific question for no reason" and then it gets into a dickwaving contest about its likelihood. It happens in any versus argument if someone has a versatile enough power. Really, unless omniscient guy specifically asks on the first day how to specifically kill GHDG on the first day, and follows through the plan exactly (people seem to underestimate or ignore the possibility of human error, especially with a guy with basically unlimited time and knowledge to manipulate the scenario repeatedly), GHDG wins, because when you repeat the same thing over and over, you'll end up knowing the outcome of every scenario possible and the most efficient way to do anything. It's omniscience by trial and error.
Very interesting and fun post. I'd personally have to go with teleport guy (a. because I think this ability is the coolest, and b. because once he finds out about one of the others he can just teleport right next to them, kill them, and teleport away). That said though, the omnipotent guy might have a big edge simply because he will be able to find out who the others are very very quickly and also ask exactly where they are and what the best way to defeat them would be... like I said, very interesting topic.
On October 03 2012 00:59 Ikidomari wrote: they're in different countries. 5 hours isn't enough to get from Japan > Australia > America > Britain > Korea without planes (they don't move when time is frozen) Groundhog day guy gets killed immediately, realizes this is a problem for his remaining 12174 attempts, thinks of a way out of it
either i didn't include it or you didn't read, they're in a dream when they're told of the scenario, not physically together, they wake up in their respective countries.
Planes defy time and space?
yes, they do.
wait, what, no they fuckin don't thezanursic assumed they were all together when they found out they had to kill each other. they weren't.
the scenario is. They all go to sleep at ~ same time, have the same dream where a god tells them they have to kill each other, and the last man standing becomes a god. they all wake up from the dream in the same place they go to sleep.
Query: "How do I kill these other four people. Answer: *he tells you how to do it*
Do it, gg
(Or just avoid the entire problem by finding out what the other people want most in life and buying their trust through good faith + team up and defeat all those who are adamant about killing you.)
On October 03 2012 00:59 Ikidomari wrote: they're in different countries. 5 hours isn't enough to get from Japan > Australia > America > Britain > Korea without planes (they don't move when time is frozen) Groundhog day guy gets killed immediately, realizes this is a problem for his remaining 12174 attempts, thinks of a way out of it
either i didn't include it or you didn't read, they're in a dream when they're told of the scenario, not physically together, they wake up in their respective countries.
Planes defy time and space?
yes, they do.
wait, what, no they fuckin don't thezanursic assumed they were all together when they found out they had to kill each other. they weren't.
the scenario is. They all go to sleep at ~ same time, have the same dream where a god tells them they have to kill each other, and the last man standing becomes a god. they all wake up from the dream in the same place they go to sleep.
If the omniscient voice guy asks "what is the nature of the god who ordained this task?", what does he hear back?
On October 03 2012 02:37 antilyon wrote: The key for GDG vs omniscient is: what would be the answer for "How can I kill GDG today?". If it rerolls everyday with the correct answer for the day, GDG is doomed, if the answer doesn't change then Omnscient is doomed.
I think we have a winner here. Because as long as GHG is interacting with society he is reachable by the omniscient guy (plane from europe to australia is ~12h flight which leaves 12h to reach every other point on the planet. which would imply that omniscient guy has a fuckton of money at disposal from his 1 year of messing around. Only counter to this would be if he draw too much attention and deathnote guy somehow guesses his ID). And it doesn't matter if GHG changes his behavior because omniscient's answers change with the behavior of GHG, he could try as often as he wanted, he couldn't crack omniscient guy. Maybe a better question would be though: How do I kill him today without getting killed myself.
1 day to find location (and get there) GHG has minimum 12 hrs to prepare and omniscient used his question for LOCATION he can walk into the room, straight into a man pointing a gun at him ???? GHG gains control over omniscient, forcing him to be his ally. omniscient made it easier for GHG.
darn. did you nerf his ability so he can't ask how to kill him? I mean, location all fine and good but you don't have to walk into the building GHG is in when you could sent a cruise missile
>Send cruise missile >Army (or whatever) fucks you up game over man, game over, you asked his location, you cant ask how to beat the army now!
It was just a stupid exaggeration. The question would be: how do I kill GHG today without getting killed/disabling myself. The answer then doesn't have to include "walking up to GHG". Some sort of this question should be the winner, because the answer varies through the behavior of GHG.
Also I'd like to ask a question because theoretically you could survive death by heart attack through reanimation. Yes, you would be (clinically) dead for like 5 mins but that must not necessarily cause "severe" damage to braincells.
god damnit. your last point has me. I don't know the answer. If I wanted to impose a rule i would say "Dead with no chance of revival" however this removes some fun /tactics from omniscient guy, and makes GHG even more OP'd. I'm going to let other people decide what to do about it.
On October 03 2012 00:59 Ikidomari wrote: they're in different countries. 5 hours isn't enough to get from Japan > Australia > America > Britain > Korea without planes (they don't move when time is frozen) Groundhog day guy gets killed immediately, realizes this is a problem for his remaining 12174 attempts, thinks of a way out of it
either i didn't include it or you didn't read, they're in a dream when they're told of the scenario, not physically together, they wake up in their respective countries.
Planes defy time and space?
yes, they do.
wait, what, no they fuckin don't thezanursic assumed they were all together when they found out they had to kill each other. they weren't.
the scenario is. They all go to sleep at ~ same time, have the same dream where a god tells them they have to kill each other, and the last man standing becomes a god. they all wake up from the dream in the same place they go to sleep.
That's a pretty retarded plot, but I was refeering to the fact that it was stated that you can't get all over the world in 5 hours by plane (referring to frozen time, but obviously planes couldn't move when time is frozen and you didn't specify if the individual could unfreeze an object at will or if it was unfrozen when the subject touched it)
On October 03 2012 00:59 Ikidomari wrote: they're in different countries. 5 hours isn't enough to get from Japan > Australia > America > Britain > Korea without planes (they don't move when time is frozen) Groundhog day guy gets killed immediately, realizes this is a problem for his remaining 12174 attempts, thinks of a way out of it
either i didn't include it or you didn't read, they're in a dream when they're told of the scenario, not physically together, they wake up in their respective countries.
Planes defy time and space?
yes, they do.
wait, what, no they fuckin don't thezanursic assumed they were all together when they found out they had to kill each other. they weren't.
the scenario is. They all go to sleep at ~ same time, have the same dream where a god tells them they have to kill each other, and the last man standing becomes a god. they all wake up from the dream in the same place they go to sleep.
If the omniscient voice guy asks "what is the nature of the god who ordained this task?", what does he hear back?
the god has grown tired of life and wants to pass on his powers to a successor, for fun. he also wants to observe the "Battle Royale" for entertainment. The god is Deus Ex Machina. and loves unexpected plot twists.
edit: maybe the voice goes for a 1-word nature and says "Playful".
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4, before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
This is really interesting to me. Is this something you guys came up with on your own or was it a topic in class or what? I'm reading a lot of replies and I want to make my own prediction but I think you're all underestimating teleport guy.
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
Umm I just flew over the thread so please correct me if this was allready brought up but: Can't omni-guy asks everyday what at this exact day will happen to him? I mean the answer is definatly different each day and in which terms can this tell be influenced by "fate"? Because if he could ask this question couldn't he simply wait(read: stay alive) untill only one guy is left? This would maybe include to reserve some days to ask how many guys are still alive or "is X still alive?".
On the other hand he could simply try to make his defense impenetrable by the others abilities due to his omni-knowledge. Strategies came to my mind(feel free to add and destroy ): Build a bunker (enough people explained how to get money), install enough selfshooting devices or stuff that needs to deactivated and still hruts when time is frozen (some kind of laser? maybe gas?). This would most likly take out FreezeTime ability. To counter GDG no normal defense system would work till he has too many tries. But what would work is a system which excells at tries to break than he has, every guy into coding has enough examples. Construct a selfshooting device or simliar which can only be deactived by hacking some xxx-bit code salted and everything you can imagine which techonlgy has to offer. Sure he has 12000 lifes, but it is pure luck to hit the right combination if there are billions.
Now the two tricky ones are left for my scenario: teleport guy and death note guy. Teleport guy really gives me a headache. So he can teleport to a place and teleport back from where he started. That would mean sure death for omni-guy. Now I again have some questions, how fast can he teleport back? Can the teleport be detected, so is it instant? If he knew that omni-guy lifes at a bunker at coordinate X,Y,Z but don't know the exact architecture how does he prevent himself from being stuck in a wall would that mean death? Since those questions will affect what I write now don't pick on that too much: If the teleport guy kinda "randomly" ports into the room where omni-guy lives you could maybe think of a system without a "floor" so you need to activate where you want to go so the floor gets walkable (doesnt matter if there are spikes, holes, lasers or other smart devices). This would make the possibility of teleport guy to teleport to omni-guy and kill near 0%. And he would need to get an exact plan of the bunker to not be stuck which can be easly be avoid or even faked (like different plans archived at the gov than the bunker actually looks like).
Left would be Mr. Death Note. I was always curious (after reading a bit into the manga) what would happen if you erase every evidence of your real name and change your name. This would make it nearly impossible to get your real name, only by torture or ... an omni guy :D So he could disappear when he get known to the ability of death note, but creating a scenario where you tell everyone you know a story that would make sense (going to foreign legion as a drastic one) so you don't appear in any "missing"-registers. Without a specific way to search for someone who disappeared (register etc.) I can't imagine a fail-save way to kill omni guy.
I know this all are very specific scenarios and I only gavve it about 30-40 minutes of thought but hey, this is what the thread is about right? :D
TLDR; Omni guy builds penetrable-proof bunker. Killing devices which needs to deactivated to counter freezeing. Killing device which needs to be deactivated with a code which is encrypted (read: more than billions tries) Hide/Fake architecture of the bunker and build a device which "enables" squares of the floor to walk on. Pretend to go to the foreign legion and change identity.
On October 03 2012 03:51 theniceninja wrote: This is really interesting to me. Is this something you guys came up with on your own or was it a topic in class or what? I'm reading a lot of replies and I want to make my own prediction but I think you're all underestimating teleport guy.
heres what happened >someone mentions "useless superpowers" >one said useless superpower would be super strength that only works on items less than 20kg >someone else says that isnt useless, you could throw it at extreme speeds >Get onto topic of superpowers with a drawback >6 are mentioned "What if these 6 had a fight!?" >One of them is fucking stupid and got removed >these 5 remain >Debate for hours >make this thread
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.
On October 03 2012 03:57 bluQ wrote: Umm I just flew over the thread so please correct me if this was allready brought up but: Can't omni-guy asks everyday what at this exact day will happen to him? I mean the answer is definatly different each day and in which terms can this tell be influenced by "fate"? Because if he could ask this question couldn't he simply wait(read: stay alive) untill only one guy is left? This would maybe include to reserve some days to ask how many guys are still alive or "is X still alive?".
On the other hand he could simply try to make his defense impenetrable by the others abilities due to his omni-knowledge. Strategies came to my mind(feel free to add and destroy ): Build a bunker (enough people explained how to get money), install enough selfshooting devices or stuff that needs to deactivated and still hruts when time is frozen (some kind of laser? maybe gas?). This would most likly take out FreezeTime ability. To counter GDG no normal defense system would work till he has too many tries. But what would work is a system which excells at tries to break than he has, every guy into coding has enough examples. Construct a selfshooting device or simliar which can only be deactived by hacking some xxx-bit code salted and everything you can imagine which techonlgy has to offer. Sure he has 12000 lifes, but it is pure luck to hit the right combination if there are billions.
Now the two tricky ones are left for my scenario: teleport guy and death note guy. Teleport guy really gives me a headache. So he can teleport to a place and teleport back from where he started. That would mean sure death for omni-guy. Now I again have some questions, how fast can he teleport back? Can the teleport be detected, so is it instant? If he knew that omni-guy lifes at a bunker at coordinate X,Y,Z but don't know the exact architecture how does he prevent himself from being stuck in a wall would that mean death? Since those questions will affect what I write now don't pick on that too much: If the teleport guy kinda "randomly" ports into the room where omni-guy lives you could maybe think of a system without a "floor" so you need to activate where you want to go so the floor gets walkable (doesnt matter if there are spikes, holes, lasers or other smart devices). This would make the possibility of teleport guy to teleport to omni-guy and kill near 0%. And he would need to get an exact plan of the bunker to not be stuck which can be easly be avoid or even faked (like different plans archived at the gov than the bunker actually looks like).
Left would be Mr. Death Note. I was always curious (after reading a bit into the manga) what would happen if you erase every evidence of your real name and change your name. This would make it nearly impossible to get your real name, only by torture or ... an omni guy :D So he could disappear when he get known to the ability of death note, but creating a scenario where you tell everyone you know a story that would make sense (going to foreign legion as a drastic one) so you don't appear in any "missing"-registers. Without a specific way to search for someone who disappeared (register etc.) I can't imagine a fail-save way to kill omni guy.
I know this all are very specific scenarios and I only gavve it about 30-40 minutes of thought but hey, this is what the thread is about right? :D
TLDR; Omni guy builds penetrable-proof bunker. Killing devices which needs to deactivated to counter freezeing. Killing device which needs to be deactivated with a code which is encrypted (read: more than billions tries) Hide/Fake architecture of the bunker and build a device which "enables" squares of the floor to walk on. Pretend to go to the foreign legion and change identity.
Im sorry for pointing out such an obvious flaw, but unless the bunker already exists and omni guy has access to it. there is no way for him to construct it before he gets killed (GHG would find it man, he fuckin would)
On October 03 2012 02:38 Kommatiazo wrote: Groundhog Day man should just set his three day timer, use his do-overs to continually track and memorize each of the other contestants, find a way to kill each one of them in turn, reliving each scenario until he perfects the execution and succeeds (I assume it would take time and be exceedingly difficult, but he would have more than a lifetime of do-overs to get it right), and eventually he will have killed the other contestants at least once each, and hopefully still have time left on the 100 years of do-overs so that in his final reliving none of them has died, but since he killed all of them in his own alternate universes, he won the game and becomes a god since it is not specified in their dream that there must be only one left at one specific point in time. gg no re, am I right? Or am I nit-picking the rules so much that I'm breaking it?
logically, the winner is the last one left alive. So you could interpret this as all 4 others dead simultaneously. so he has to kill them all in the same time loop. which is impossible due to different continents.
BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR GHG: Kill omniscient with <x> strategy he spent 1000 times perfecting. minimum 7 hours to fly there. Fly to another continent (Minimum 12 hours, what with transport and all) kill the death note guy. Another 12 hours to travel to the time stopper. who uses his 5 hours to put distance between himself and GHG. another 5+ hours to track him down. 12 hours to get to the teleporter, who conveniently teleports to the other side of the world. another 12 hours to reach him again, when he teleports back to the original location (Guess what, 12 hours) By now the 3 day period of GHG's dominance is over. teleporter has clear advantage and wins I KNEW I COULD SAVE HIM
Or GHG could just wait for the teleport guy to come back since he won't know if GHG is coming for him :D
Somehow I'm feeling seriously fearful like it's a horror movie. Last time I read about crazy paradox/no way out games on wikipedia (forgot the proper term) I felt the same way but somehow I just couldn't stop reading............... I'm serious
On October 03 2012 01:44 Ikidomari wrote: im really sorry none of you understand the power of guy 5, my friends all understood it immediately D: ill try and make it as simple as possible
Guy relives THE SAME SET OF 3 DAYS 12000 times >1st time he dies on day 1 because he went to X location and bumped into teleporter >2nd try he now knows where teleporter will be at said time, and can narrow down who the teleporter is. >Repeat for 12000 times, he can learn who everyone is, where they will be at X time.
His only weakness is it would be impossible to kill them all in his 3 day period of utter supremacy.
Can you edit OP and add as much info about guy 5 as you can? I have a lot of questions: 1. Given that he uses his power, do the days go like this? day1x12000, day2x12000, day3x12000. Or like this? Day1, Day2, Day3, Day1, Day2, Day3... 2. Are time and space reset every day? In other words, if guy 5 kills guy 1 on day 1, is guy 1 brought back to life on day 2? 3. Given that guy 5 is immune to 'reliving' and he remembers everything from everyday mentally, does his physical health return each day? Would working out be a waste of time? 4. How is guy 5's weakness that he can't kill everyone in 3 days time if he could possibly find out where all of them are at all the given times? If he could track down the other 4 people, can't he make a time chart to kill 1 person every 6 hours or so and it would all be done in a 'day'? 5. You wrote " however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time". Does this mean that if he dies once he's dead forever? 6. "he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4" Does this mean that he is incapable of knowing what 'day' it is? Can't he count the days in his head after he starts his power so that he knows when his time is out and thus knows when day 4 is?
That being said, I would definitely bet on guy 4. Asking questions to a guy that knows everything is always a broken strategy. I'm leaving out guy 5 from most of the following explanations just because I don't get him.
Guy 1 is pretty dead, given that there is no way to save yourself unless you can see danger incoming. If he's approached by a hitman he can freeze time and kill him, but he 1) cannot save himself from too many instances of this since he has a 5 hour limit, and 2) he cannot save himself if he is shot from behind. What use is hacking the CIA and using government intelligence if you don't know what you're looking for? How could he find any of that information when the other people's powers are easily concealed? There's no way to find information on a guy carrying a notebook, or a guy who talks to an omnipotent voice, or a guy who can teleport (if he's not a complete dumbass and teleports in front of people) since they just appear as regular people.
Guy 2 is worse than guy 1 although I guess there is room for SOME speculation here. Can he teleport to places he cannot see? At the same time, he suffers the same weaknesses as guy 1: a limit on power usage (twice) and behind hit from behind. Only being able to teleport twice a day makes things verryyy difficult. On top of that, he can't do anything illegal and get away with it, unless he wants to appear on the news very fast due to security cameras be sheer probability of being spotted. If you're running from people you're stealing from (for money, guns, classified information) AND 4 guys with super powers, it's not going to be a fun time. Basically, this guy doesn't have a good way to acquire the means to kill the others. Tele into a bank vault and then get out? That's money. But that's about it.
Guy 3 seemed appealing at first, but after thinking about it for a bit, i changed my mind. The death note anime was exciting because of the scope of people it involved: everyone was in the same country. However when it comes to a world wide fight, this guy is boned. In the game settings, none of the 5 know each others face OR name. Essentially this guy is told, here's the shape of this guys body, which may or may not change. Also, guy 1, 2, and 4 have ways to hide from you. They will also either kill you in a way you cannot save yourself from (freeze time+gun shot, tele in+gut shot, hitmen which don't lead you to the guy who hired them). His only power is to kill, which in the long run isn't very good at giving him places to stay safe from people he doesn't know.
Guy 4 wins for me because it involves knowing anything you want. There are endless questions to ask. "what url do I type into google chrome to get a picture of guy 1?" "what is the email address and password for guy 1?" "Which of the 4 other players knows my identity" Since winning the lotto draws attention, you could ask "which currency will move the highest today?" (since currency trading can be leveraged as far as 200:1, you don't need more than a few grand starting out to be rich in a few trades. If you need more money you can ask a question like 'what is the aud/usd peak price today? which is different from asking about the eur/usd peak) " "Has guy 1 used his 5 hour freeze for this week?" "If I am in danger today, how can I get away now to be safe?" "Who will try to kill me today?"
TL;DR: everyone is on a clock to kill guy 4 before he inevitably kills them but they don't have the means to do it. Guy 5 makes no sense.
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.
nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP) It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period
On October 03 2012 01:44 Ikidomari wrote: im really sorry none of you understand the power of guy 5, my friends all understood it immediately D: ill try and make it as simple as possible
Guy relives THE SAME SET OF 3 DAYS 12000 times >1st time he dies on day 1 because he went to X location and bumped into teleporter >2nd try he now knows where teleporter will be at said time, and can narrow down who the teleporter is. >Repeat for 12000 times, he can learn who everyone is, where they will be at X time.
His only weakness is it would be impossible to kill them all in his 3 day period of utter supremacy.
Can you edit OP and add as much info about guy 5 as you can? I have a lot of questions: 1. Given that he uses his power, do the days go like this? day1x12000, day2x12000, day3x12000. Or like this? Day1, Day2, Day3, Day1, Day2, Day3... 2. Are time and space reset every day? In other words, if guy 5 kills guy 1 on day 1, is guy 1 brought back to life on day 2? 3. Given that guy 5 is immune to 'reliving' and he remembers everything from everyday mentally, does his physical health return each day? Would working out be a waste of time? 4. How is guy 5's weakness that he can't kill everyone in 3 days time if he could possibly find out where all of them are at all the given times? If he could track down the other 4 people, can't he make a time chart to kill 1 person every 6 hours or so and it would all be done in a 'day'? 5. You wrote " however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time". Does this mean that if he dies once he's dead forever? 6. "he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4" Does this mean that he is incapable of knowing what 'day' it is? Can't he count the days in his head after he starts his power so that he knows when his time is out and thus knows when day 4 is?
That being said, I would definitely bet on guy 4. Asking questions to a guy that knows everything is always a broken strategy. I'm leaving out guy 5 from most of the following explanations just because I don't get him.
Guy 1 is pretty dead, given that there is no way to save yourself unless you can see danger incoming. If he's approached by a hitman he can freeze time and kill him, but he 1) cannot save himself from too many instances of this since he has a 5 hour limit, and 2) he cannot save himself if he is shot from behind. What use is hacking the CIA and using government intelligence if you don't know what you're looking for? How could he find any of that information when the other people's powers are easily concealed? There's no way to find information on a guy carrying a notebook, or a guy who talks to an omnipotent voice, or a guy who can teleport (if he's not a complete dumbass and teleports in front of people) since they just appear as regular people.
Guy 2 is worse than guy 1 although I guess there is room for SOME speculation here. Can he teleport to places he cannot see? At the same time, he suffers the same weaknesses as guy 1: a limit on power usage (twice) and behind hit from behind. Only being able to teleport twice a day makes things verryyy difficult. On top of that, he can't do anything illegal and get away with it, unless he wants to appear on the news very fast due to security cameras be sheer probability of being spotted. If you're running from people you're stealing from (for money, guns, classified information) AND 4 guys with super powers, it's not going to be a fun time. Basically, this guy doesn't have a good way to acquire the means to kill the others. Tele into a bank vault and then get out? That's money. But that's about it.
Guy 3 seemed appealing at first, but after thinking about it for a bit, i changed my mind. The death note anime was exciting because of the scope of people it involved: everyone was in the same country. However when it comes to a world wide fight, this guy is boned. In the game settings, none of the 5 know each others face OR name. Essentially this guy is told, here's the shape of this guys body, which may or may not change. Also, guy 1, 2, and 4 have ways to hide from you. They will also either kill you in a way you cannot save yourself from (freeze time+gun shot, tele in+gut shot, hitmen which don't lead you to the guy who hired them). His only power is to kill, which in the long run isn't very good at giving him places to stay safe from people he doesn't know.
Guy 4 wins for me because it involves knowing anything you want. There are endless questions to ask. "what url do I type into google chrome to get a picture of guy 1?" "what is the email address and password for guy 1?" "Which of the 4 other players knows my identity" Since winning the lotto draws attention, you could ask "which currency will move the highest today?" (since currency trading can be leveraged as far as 200:1, you don't need more than a few grand starting out to be rich in a few trades. If you need more money you can ask a question like 'what is the aud/usd peak price today? which is different from asking about the eur/usd peak) " "Has guy 1 used his 5 hour freeze for this week?" "If I am in danger today, how can I get away now to be safe?" "Who will try to kill me today?"
TL;DR: everyone is on a clock to kill guy 4 before he inevitably kills them but they don't have the means to do it. Guy 5 makes no sense.
On October 03 2012 03:51 theniceninja wrote: This is really interesting to me. Is this something you guys came up with on your own or was it a topic in class or what? I'm reading a lot of replies and I want to make my own prediction but I think you're all underestimating teleport guy.
Teleport guy IMO has one of the best defensive abilities, but GDG and Omniscient are just too strong. I really wanted to GDG to win but I can't see him beating Omniscient if he asks a question basing on GDG's behavior like: How do I kill GDG today without being killed? Unless the answer is impossible, which I doubt it would be since they had 1 year to play around with their powers therefore Omniscient has endless resources. Omnscience just has to repeat this question 5 times, But teleport guy is the only one with power to force a stalemate by teleporting somewhere Omnscient can't go no mather what. And if he tries to kill teleport guy on first day, he would die to GDG.
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat for #4:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4, before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
How do you just "buy a submarine"? are you BIll Gates too?
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
#4 can effectively benefit from #5's power. He knows what #5's power is, and simply needs to always use his day 1 question to ask "what did I learn in the last time loop?". He then gets the day 2 and day 3 questions to add to his pool of knowledge, meaning that by the time #5 has lived 100 years, #4 has been able to benefit from asking the omniscient voice ~24000 times (12000 time loops, 2 new questions per loop). He then just needs to make sure he only kills #5 on the LAST cycle so that he doesn't get a chance to respond.
On October 03 2012 01:44 Ikidomari wrote: im really sorry none of you understand the power of guy 5, my friends all understood it immediately D: ill try and make it as simple as possible
Guy relives THE SAME SET OF 3 DAYS 12000 times >1st time he dies on day 1 because he went to X location and bumped into teleporter >2nd try he now knows where teleporter will be at said time, and can narrow down who the teleporter is. >Repeat for 12000 times, he can learn who everyone is, where they will be at X time.
His only weakness is it would be impossible to kill them all in his 3 day period of utter supremacy.
Can you edit OP and add as much info about guy 5 as you can? I have a lot of questions: 1. Given that he uses his power, do the days go like this? day1x12000, day2x12000, day3x12000. Or like this? Day1, Day2, Day3, Day1, Day2, Day3... 2. Are time and space reset every day? In other words, if guy 5 kills guy 1 on day 1, is guy 1 brought back to life on day 2? 3. Given that guy 5 is immune to 'reliving' and he remembers everything from everyday mentally, does his physical health return each day? Would working out be a waste of time? 4. How is guy 5's weakness that he can't kill everyone in 3 days time if he could possibly find out where all of them are at all the given times? If he could track down the other 4 people, can't he make a time chart to kill 1 person every 6 hours or so and it would all be done in a 'day'? 5. You wrote " however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time". Does this mean that if he dies once he's dead forever? 6. "he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4" Does this mean that he is incapable of knowing what 'day' it is? Can't he count the days in his head after he starts his power so that he knows when his time is out and thus knows when day 4 is?
That being said, I would definitely bet on guy 4. Asking questions to a guy that knows everything is always a broken strategy. I'm leaving out guy 5 from most of the following explanations just because I don't get him.
Guy 1 is pretty dead, given that there is no way to save yourself unless you can see danger incoming. If he's approached by a hitman he can freeze time and kill him, but he 1) cannot save himself from too many instances of this since he has a 5 hour limit, and 2) he cannot save himself if he is shot from behind. What use is hacking the CIA and using government intelligence if you don't know what you're looking for? How could he find any of that information when the other people's powers are easily concealed? There's no way to find information on a guy carrying a notebook, or a guy who talks to an omnipotent voice, or a guy who can teleport (if he's not a complete dumbass and teleports in front of people) since they just appear as regular people.
Guy 2 is worse than guy 1 although I guess there is room for SOME speculation here. Can he teleport to places he cannot see? At the same time, he suffers the same weaknesses as guy 1: a limit on power usage (twice) and behind hit from behind. Only being able to teleport twice a day makes things verryyy difficult. On top of that, he can't do anything illegal and get away with it, unless he wants to appear on the news very fast due to security cameras be sheer probability of being spotted. If you're running from people you're stealing from (for money, guns, classified information) AND 4 guys with super powers, it's not going to be a fun time. Basically, this guy doesn't have a good way to acquire the means to kill the others. Tele into a bank vault and then get out? That's money. But that's about it.
Guy 3 seemed appealing at first, but after thinking about it for a bit, i changed my mind. The death note anime was exciting because of the scope of people it involved: everyone was in the same country. However when it comes to a world wide fight, this guy is boned. In the game settings, none of the 5 know each others face OR name. Essentially this guy is told, here's the shape of this guys body, which may or may not change. Also, guy 1, 2, and 4 have ways to hide from you. They will also either kill you in a way you cannot save yourself from (freeze time+gun shot, tele in+gut shot, hitmen which don't lead you to the guy who hired them). His only power is to kill, which in the long run isn't very good at giving him places to stay safe from people he doesn't know.
Guy 4 wins for me because it involves knowing anything you want. There are endless questions to ask. "what url do I type into google chrome to get a picture of guy 1?" "what is the email address and password for guy 1?" "Which of the 4 other players knows my identity" Since winning the lotto draws attention, you could ask "which currency will move the highest today?" (since currency trading can be leveraged as far as 200:1, you don't need more than a few grand starting out to be rich in a few trades. If you need more money you can ask a question like 'what is the aud/usd peak price today? which is different from asking about the eur/usd peak) " "Has guy 1 used his 5 hour freeze for this week?" "If I am in danger today, how can I get away now to be safe?" "Who will try to kill me today?"
TL;DR: everyone is on a clock to kill guy 4 before he inevitably kills them but they don't have the means to do it. Guy 5 makes no sense.
I would bet for omni guy. Knowledge is power, and he can access it all. Unless he is dumb, he should win.
The "pathetic looser" prize would go to the 3-day timeloop guy. No way in earth he could use his power in a timely manner to make him win the game, ie use it compulsively to avoid death by some of the other 4 and when he finally defends, has no way to find out and kill the remaining players. The best way to use his power hands down would be to do the same thing the movie guy did, but with a lot of different girls xD
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
#4 can effectively benefit from #5's power. He knows what #5's power is, and simply needs to always use his day 1 question to ask "what did I learn in the last time loop?". He then gets the day 2 and day 3 questions to add to his pool of knowledge, meaning that by the time #5 has lived 100 years, #4 has been able to benefit from asking the omniscient voice ~24000 times (12000 time loops, 2 new questions per loop). He then just needs to make sure he only kills #5 on the LAST cycle so that he doesn't get a chance to respond.
hilarious! thats even better than my argument. (but it would imply that omni guy survives day 1 from GHG)
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.
nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP) It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period
Err even with his identity revealed, he's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean before GHG's 3 day period. Also by that time, #3 is dead, so there's no danger. There's not much anyone can do with his identity since he's in a random place in the middle of the pacific ocean other than #3, who is dead.
I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
#4 can effectively benefit from #5's power. He knows what #5's power is, and simply needs to always use his day 1 question to ask "what did I learn in the last time loop?". He then gets the day 2 and day 3 questions to add to his pool of knowledge, meaning that by the time #5 has lived 100 years, #4 has been able to benefit from asking the omniscient voice ~24000 times (12000 time loops, 2 new questions per loop). He then just needs to make sure he only kills #5 on the LAST cycle so that he doesn't get a chance to respond.
hilarious! thats even better than my argument. (but it would imply that omni guy survives day 1 from GHG)
He has to. Unless GHG successfully kills EVERYONE in one cycle, the 3 day cycle resets and he has to start all over again, which means that the omniscient guy STILL gets to go back and benefit from whatever he may have learned before he died that first day.
As a corollary to this, this means that #4 can prevent #5 from winning so long as he ensures at least one other person survives each cycle--it doesn't have to be himself. Though surviving himself naturally increases the number of questions he can ask because dying before day 2 or 3 means he can't ask questions on those days.
There needs to be more information about the teleport power— can the person accidentally teleport into something solid and die (and how easy could it happen?)? has he had to seen the area before? is there a range limit? can the location be based off someone else's location or some other abstract/dynamic descriptor (the largest building, the least-inhabited area, etc.)
Death note guy seems like he'd be at a very large disadvantage. Out of all the characters, he'd have no easy way of making money (and hence defense/offense) aside from maybe being a tyrant and hitman, which aren't that easy, and would bring lots of unwanted attention.
loop, teleport, and time stop all have similar features in that they can quite easily get out of (or prevent) a very bad situation quickly and easily, so which one winds out of them may just be dependent on their intelligence and luck.
Omniscence power probably gives the most most power. There would kinda have to be certain questions the power couldn't answer though, such as ones pertaining to the future, which just can't work. Teaming up with or somehow blackmailing/threatening death note person would give him a pretty easy and straightforward win.
edit: I misunderstood the looping power — seems like it would probably be the most powerful, but slightly dependent on the luck of the draw on what questions omniscent person asks for the first 3 days.
I know this is not what the discussion is for, but living 100years would make me realize that there is so much more in life than trying to figure out how to kill 4 guys. Or, repeating 3 days nearly infinately means I can get away with doing anything pleasent even if it is a crime. No.5 guy has to be a really dedicated person.
On October 03 2012 03:51 theniceninja wrote: This is really interesting to me. Is this something you guys came up with on your own or was it a topic in class or what? I'm reading a lot of replies and I want to make my own prediction but I think you're all underestimating teleport guy.
heres what happened >someone mentions "useless superpowers" >one said useless superpower would be super strength that only works on items less than 20kg >someone else says that isnt useless, you could throw it at extreme speeds >Get onto topic of superpowers with a drawback >6 are mentioned "What if these 6 had a fight!?" >One of them is fucking stupid and got removed >these 5 remain >Debate for hours >make this thread
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught." The important thing is, that the answer will adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.
This would imply certain things: omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman) omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy) omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.
On October 03 2012 03:51 theniceninja wrote: This is really interesting to me. Is this something you guys came up with on your own or was it a topic in class or what? I'm reading a lot of replies and I want to make my own prediction but I think you're all underestimating teleport guy.
heres what happened >someone mentions "useless superpowers" >one said useless superpower would be super strength that only works on items less than 20kg >someone else says that isnt useless, you could throw it at extreme speeds >Get onto topic of superpowers with a drawback >6 are mentioned "What if these 6 had a fight!?" >One of them is fucking stupid and got removed >these 5 remain >Debate for hours >make this thread
I can imagine this turned into a movie revolving around the the Groundhog Day guy. Having no "real" super ability, he would use intelligence and repetition to eventually learn how to defeat the first three enemies, but he can never get an upperhand against the "final boss" that is the omniscient guy. Mr. Omniscient becomes horribly frightening, and Groundhog Day starts to lose his mental stability with each successive failure. He resorts to convincing all the others that Mr. Omniscient is the most powerful, and they team up, only still to fail repeatedly. More and more he dreads the inevitable end. Finally Mr. Groundhog has run out of repeats and tries to enjoy his last days, having given up on the challenge. You see Mr. Omniscient methodically destroy the others, one by one, and then confront Mr. Groundhog last (knowing that he was no longer a threat). They meet in a quiet place and have a conversation as human beings for the first time. Then Mr. Omniscient wins, easily, as he knew he would all along.
Now if they can get Bill Murray to play Mr. Groundhog...
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.
nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP) It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period
Err even with his identity revealed, he's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean before GHG's 3 day period. Also by that time, #3 is dead, so there's no danger. There's not much anyone can do with his identity since he's in a random place in the middle of the pacific ocean other than #3, who is dead.
HOW is he in the submarine. GHGs period starts at the BEGINNING of the contest. so unless he was some nutjob ALREADY in a submarine, your argument is flawed.
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.
nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP) It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period
Err even with his identity revealed, he's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean before GHG's 3 day period. Also by that time, #3 is dead, so there's no danger. There's not much anyone can do with his identity since he's in a random place in the middle of the pacific ocean other than #3, who is dead.
HOW is he in the submarine. GHGs period starts at the BEGINNING of the contest. so unless he was some nutjob ALREADY in a submarine, your argument is flawed.
Sorry, then I don't understand #5's power completely. I thought it was limited to a 3 day period. He kills GHG pretty far after the 3 day period because he has to use at least 8 days to find out how to kill everyone anyways.
On October 03 2012 04:19 Xapti wrote: There needs to be more information about the teleport power— can the person accidentally teleport into something solid and die (and how easy could it happen?)? has he had to seen the area before? is there a range limit? can the location be based off someone else's location or some other abstract/dynamic descriptor (the largest building, the least-inhabited area, etc.)
Death note guy seems like he'd be at a very large disadvantage. Out of all the characters, he'd have no easy way of making money (and hence defense/offense) aside from maybe being a tyrant and hitman, which aren't that easy, and would bring lots of unwanted attention.
loop, teleport, and time stop all have similar features in that they can quite easily get out of (or prevent) a very bad situation quickly and easily, so which one winds out of them may just be dependent on their intelligence and luck.
Omniscence power probably gives the most most power. There would kinda have to be certain questions the power couldn't answer though, such as ones pertaining to the future, which just can't work. Teaming up with or somehow blackmailing/threatening death note person would give him a pretty easy and straightforward win.
his teleport cannot end his life. he is also restricted to the planet earth. He can teleport anywhere he has a mental image of, or to a close proximity of someone he has a mental image of no range limit, except "on earth"
And to everyone saying "Omniscient can just ask what happened in former loops" yeah, he can, but imagine HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE for the voice to convey all of that information, days, weeks, years, even the "previous loop" would take a significant amount of time to explain fully.
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught." The fun thing is, that the answer may adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.
This would imply certain things: omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman) omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy) omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.
Hmm, that makes sense, but that also mean that omni can kill anyone 100% every day, by asking that question, no?
On October 03 2012 01:27 Rimstalker wrote: I don't 'get' guy 5's superpower. If he dies in the 4th spot, his whole time is up, and the survivor becomes a god?
What stops omniscient voice in his head guy from asking for the exact location guy 1, 2, 3, 5 will be at in X days?
'What will be the exact position of guy 1 on the 7th of October 2012, 15:00 GMT?' should be a valid question, or not?
he gets to relive and fool around in a 3 day period 12000 times, discovering various strategies to survive the 3 days and beyond
Omniscient voice question was answered earlier, he CAN ask where X person will be at X time, this doesn't mean he can get there in time, this also doesn't mean he has the ability to kill them. it's one question per day, with a 24 hour "future" foresight for the voice.
Isn't it possible for him to just have people working for him in every city?
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.
nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP) It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period
Err even with his identity revealed, he's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean before GHG's 3 day period. Also by that time, #3 is dead, so there's no danger. There's not much anyone can do with his identity since he's in a random place in the middle of the pacific ocean other than #3, who is dead.
HOW is he in the submarine. GHGs period starts at the BEGINNING of the contest. so unless he was some nutjob ALREADY in a submarine, your argument is flawed.
Sorry, then I don't understand #5's power completely. I thought it was limited to a 3 day period. He kills GHG pretty far after the 3 day period because he has to use at least 8 days to find out how to kill everyone anyways.
his main issue is surviving the 1st 3 days. after that he wins nearly by default. If the others want to survive, correct me if im wrong, they need to help GHG kill omniscient before his 3 days is up, or they will certainly lose.
im sorry guys i need to get some sleep, i'll (try) and answer all your questions in... 8 and a half hours. if not then, i'll probably get around to it sometime Thursday morning (my time) /: (wednesday-today is literally going to be wake up, do work, go to uni, do speech, go to group meeting, go to class, go home, pass out until thursday)
On October 03 2012 03:51 theniceninja wrote: This is really interesting to me. Is this something you guys came up with on your own or was it a topic in class or what? I'm reading a lot of replies and I want to make my own prediction but I think you're all underestimating teleport guy.
heres what happened >someone mentions "useless superpowers" >one said useless superpower would be super strength that only works on items less than 20kg >someone else says that isnt useless, you could throw it at extreme speeds >Get onto topic of superpowers with a drawback >6 are mentioned "What if these 6 had a fight!?" >One of them is fucking stupid and got removed >these 5 remain >Debate for hours >make this thread
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.
nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP) It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period
Err even with his identity revealed, he's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean before GHG's 3 day period. Also by that time, #3 is dead, so there's no danger. There's not much anyone can do with his identity since he's in a random place in the middle of the pacific ocean other than #3, who is dead.
HOW is he in the submarine. GHGs period starts at the BEGINNING of the contest. so unless he was some nutjob ALREADY in a submarine, your argument is flawed.
Sorry, then I don't understand #5's power completely. I thought it was limited to a 3 day period. He kills GHG pretty far after the 3 day period because he has to use at least 8 days to find out how to kill everyone anyways.
Resuming, #5 would live the first 3 day span 12750 times, and he would remember the outcome of each cycle and adapt to it. And other people's actions/places/events wouldn't change on these cycles, unless they #5 affected them directly or indirectly.
On October 03 2012 03:49 ketomai wrote: Here's my strat:
1) Buy a submarine immediately and hide somewhere in the ocean.
1) Ask for 4 consecutive days the identity and location (at an arbitrary time) of the other 4 participants. He will ask for the location of the death note guy (#3) at a time earlier than the other 3. #2 will be slightly before the remaining 2.
2) Hire hitman to kill #3 and bring the notebook.
3) Hire someone to take a photo of #2 and send to #4.
4) Use the notebook to make #2 teleport to #1 and #5 at the specific time you asked for and instantly snap their photo, which is obviously sent back to #4 before killing himself.
5) #4 uses the deathnote and kills the remaining people.
#1 stands no chance because he will be killed by proxy, so he doesn't know when to activate his power. He could activate it the instant #2 comes theoretically but he has no idea when and where, so it's highly unlikely.
#2 can't fight because the omniscient voice tells where he's going to be no matter how he changes his mind. So, it's easy to have a camera set up around where he will be, etcetc.
#3 is useless without the name of the hitman killing him.
#5 loses because no matter how many times he redoes it, The omniscient voice has already told #4 where he will be, so he will inevitably die to the #2/deathnote combo.
identity and location takes 2 days. it's 2 questions ground hog, after becoming frustrated with repeated deaths, gives up the identity of one person who can logically be the omniscient (Ie, who has gone from joe blow to filthy rich in last 365 days), once person per cycle, until he stops dying. he now knows the identity of omniscient and can handle him efficiently.
Okay, then he uses 8 days to ask that information. And, #4 can be discrete about how he makes his money. He doesn't have to be in the newspapers. For example he asks the omniscient voice someone's (who is moderately rich, not bill gates) bank account number/info. 12000 tries versus 7 billion people, the chance that he's successfully guesses is pretty low.
nonono in the year he had to play around with his power before he learned of the game, he left tracks so his identity would be discoverable, they all did. (Says it in the OP) It is entirely possible for any character to learn of every other with the exception of learning who GHG is prior to the beginning of his 3 day period
Err even with his identity revealed, he's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean before GHG's 3 day period. Also by that time, #3 is dead, so there's no danger. There's not much anyone can do with his identity since he's in a random place in the middle of the pacific ocean other than #3, who is dead.
HOW is he in the submarine. GHGs period starts at the BEGINNING of the contest. so unless he was some nutjob ALREADY in a submarine, your argument is flawed.
Sorry, then I don't understand #5's power completely. I thought it was limited to a 3 day period. He kills GHG pretty far after the 3 day period because he has to use at least 8 days to find out how to kill everyone anyways.
Resuming, #5 would live the first 3 day span 12750 times, and he would remember the outcome of each cycle and adapt to it. And other people's actions/places/events wouldn't change on these cycles, unless they #5 affected them directly or indirectly.
you did in 2 lines what i failed to do in 10+ posts. goddamit. legend though.
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught." The fun thing is, that the answer may adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.
This would imply certain things: omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman) omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy) omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.
Hmm, that makes sense, but that also mean that omni can kill anyone 100% every day, by asking that question, no?
pretty much, yes.
maybe teleport guy can escape him because he teleports to places unreachable within one day but i can hardly see him winning this except when he is suuuuuper cautious and overly intelligent. time freeze guy has to see the danger coming to freeze time which isn't hard to take care of, for example with a sniper rifle. deathnote guy seems to be the least dangerous unless he can figure out a way to guess the id of omni guy. or he searches a list with the richest ppl who got their money recently and randomly starts killing them. this would be a question of what these ppl did in the year of prep. if omni guy didn't hide well enough he might be killed by the deathnote guy and be forced to take the other ones with him.
Guy 4 can choose from a number of offensive and defensive strategies (the hard part would be phrasing the questions to avoid getting screwed over by an impossible answer ). - Asking how to remove all traces of himself, using the remaining time to obtain information about the other and sending hitmen out to kill them (money should not be a problem). - Going in the offensive to kill guy 3 and obtain his death note book and simply asking the right questions hereafter. - Asking what would be his best strategy and executing it.
Guy 5 has to activate his ground hog thing within the first few days, before guy 4 gains an unstoppable upper hand. But even in activating it early guy 5 has only tipped the odds in his favor, since locating 4 other people around the globe and arranging their assassination within 3 days is something he could fail at.. even with a timespan of 100 years to do it. The most interesting outcome is him killing guy 4 leaving the battlefield open for the other players.
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught." The fun thing is, that the answer may adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.
This would imply certain things: omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman) omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy) omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.
Hmm, that makes sense, but that also mean that omni can kill anyone 100% every day, by asking that question, no?
pretty much, yes.
maybe teleport guy can escape him because he teleports to places unreachable within one day but i can hardly see him winning this except when he is suuuuuper cautious and overly intelligent. time freeze guy has to see the danger coming to freeze time which isn't hard to take care of, for example with a sniper rifle. deathnote guy seems to be the least dangerous unless he can figure out a way to guess the id of omni guy. or he searches a list with the richest ppl who got their money recently and randomly starts killing them. this would be a question of what these ppl did in the year of prep. if omni guy didn't hide well enough he might be killed by the deathnote guy and be forced to take the other ones with him.
The way I see it, there's no way for GHG to beat omniscient alone. He would need help of other people, probably DeathnoteGuy, but would DeathnoteGuy trust someone who had 12750 opportunities to deceive him?
Money's on the omnicient guy, he looks the strongest in this game. The fifth guy power is weird and the hardest to predict how he would do.
As the omnicient guy i would spend 4 days to learn the other guys powers. then 6 days to know 1,2 and 5 name and where to ge ttheir pics add a random guy name/pic and send everything to the death note guy, maybe spending a day to know how to do it without leaving trace then ask how to kill kira without him being aware of it. aprox 2 weeks + courier delay
GHG doesn't necesarily have to relive the FIRST 3-days. He picks and chooses when that 3-day period starts. However, I believe his best course of action is to activate GH immediately.
Ultimately, I think this comes down to Omni vs GHG, as Omni is the only person able to realistically avoid GHG.
GHG spends 20-40 years learning the identities of each of the other 4 players. He doesn't need to kill them, just learn who they are, what they do etc. etc. - Killing them doesn't help until he can kill ALL of them within the 3 days.
I expect GHG to learn how the DN works. This is his best chance to get Omni, as he's likely to learn Omni's identity. Omni not only has to survive, he has to EVADE the GHG each day, or he's subject to death by the DN.
As for GHG getting the DN...he learns how to steal a fighter jet, smokes DN guy, steals the DN and kills everyone else using the DN. GG! (He has 100 years, I'm sure he'll figure out everyone's identity at some point, probably by baiting himself on the 3rd day a bunch of times)
This game comes down to whether or not Omni can evade GHG indefinitely. I don't think he can, and GHG will be able to succeed within the 3-day sequence, instantly becoming a god and ending his loop.
Guy 4 is the only one with a fail safe way of identifying the others. Guy 5 might have a ton of time but how the hell is he gonna ever going to find the others? It all depends on how obvious the trail is. Finding four people among 7 billion seems quite impossible unless you have the omniscient voice power.
day 1 -looks for picture of every president from countries that have a strong army in wikipedia, write their names in the notebook.(you can find their names and pictures on the internet).
-you can mind control then by writing something along the lines of: (insert president name) will call this phone (insert my phone number) and will obey every order I give to him till 23 days later when he dies from heart attack.
- ask the presidents to hide you in the safest hidden bunker in Britain, where you live, so you can get there in like 1-2 hours after the game began.
- while traveling to the bunker you start mind controlling every important people in the world, using a notebook, (you will also be on skype with all the presidents you control, asking for names and photos of important people in the army/intel).
-not only the others will still have to get the intel on "who are you", "where are you", they will also need the power to break your bunker after 1-2 hours passed and you get inside it.
- eventually you will have every country in the world looking for them, you also will have access to every person Identity, so once your worldwide intel find one suspect (they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them.), you only need his Identity (photo + name) and you can write his name in the death note, even if they manage to get fake Identities, the signs they left in their first year will point to their old Identities.
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught." The fun thing is, that the answer may adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.
This would imply certain things: omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman) omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy) omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.
Hmm, that makes sense, but that also mean that omni can kill anyone 100% every day, by asking that question, no?
pretty much, yes.
maybe teleport guy can escape him because he teleports to places unreachable within one day but i can hardly see him winning this except when he is suuuuuper cautious and overly intelligent. time freeze guy has to see the danger coming to freeze time which isn't hard to take care of, for example with a sniper rifle. deathnote guy seems to be the least dangerous unless he can figure out a way to guess the id of omni guy. or he searches a list with the richest ppl who got their money recently and randomly starts killing them. this would be a question of what these ppl did in the year of prep. if omni guy didn't hide well enough he might be killed by the deathnote guy and be forced to take the other ones with him.
In this case, I would say omni kills groundhog D1 and would kill everyone else 1 per day in the next 3 days. When he asks how to kill teleporter and time freeze, he should be able to do it, as long as it's possible, without them activating their powers, otherwise the voice would have said it was impossible to carry out the kill. It might come down to how fast the 3 of them can figure out who the omni is and kill him before D4.
In this scenario, I think omni should go after death note D2, since death note can just try to kill all lotery winners (or something) without actually leaving his house. Then time freeze and teleporter on D3 and D4.
Wait one second, why would omni guy learn anything from GHG loop? That doesnt make sense at all. The only shot omni has vs GHG is asking in the right day where GHG is going to be in the next few hours. But he has a 1/3 shot of getting it right. Even less if GHG decides he kills all of them in the 4th morning or something.
As a GHG, I would use my power on the first day and start spying on my opponents. I'll try to find my opponent's names, then I'll try to locate the deathnote guy's notebook and write all the names on it. If I can't because I'm lacking some sort of magical power, I'll just learn hypnosis to make him write them on the notebook. It is very hard to know if this would work realistically because 100 years is very long but there will be 4 billions suspects to check. Anybody would probably go crazy during the process since you can't note anything and must rely on your memory the whole time, during 100 years...
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught." The fun thing is, that the answer may adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.
This would imply certain things: omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman) omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy) omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.
Hmm, that makes sense, but that also mean that omni can kill anyone 100% every day, by asking that question, no?
pretty much, yes.
maybe teleport guy can escape him because he teleports to places unreachable within one day but i can hardly see him winning this except when he is suuuuuper cautious and overly intelligent. time freeze guy has to see the danger coming to freeze time which isn't hard to take care of, for example with a sniper rifle. deathnote guy seems to be the least dangerous unless he can figure out a way to guess the id of omni guy. or he searches a list with the richest ppl who got their money recently and randomly starts killing them. this would be a question of what these ppl did in the year of prep. if omni guy didn't hide well enough he might be killed by the deathnote guy and be forced to take the other ones with him.
In this case, I would say omni kills groundhog D1 and would kill everyone else 1 per day in the next 3 days. When he asks how to kill teleporter and time freeze, he should be able to do it, as long as it's possible, without them activating their powers, otherwise the voice would have said it was impossible to carry out the kill. I might come down to how fast the 3 of them can figure out who the omni is and kill him before D4.
In this scenario, I think omni should go after death note D2, since death note can just try to kill all lotery winners (or something) without actually leaving his house. Then time freeze and teleporter on D3 and D4.
if omni asks how to kill X guy, the voice could say something like: you shoot him....
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught." The fun thing is, that the answer may adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.
This would imply certain things: omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman) omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy) omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.
Hmm, that makes sense, but that also mean that omni can kill anyone 100% every day, by asking that question, no?
pretty much, yes.
maybe teleport guy can escape him because he teleports to places unreachable within one day but i can hardly see him winning this except when he is suuuuuper cautious and overly intelligent. time freeze guy has to see the danger coming to freeze time which isn't hard to take care of, for example with a sniper rifle. deathnote guy seems to be the least dangerous unless he can figure out a way to guess the id of omni guy. or he searches a list with the richest ppl who got their money recently and randomly starts killing them. this would be a question of what these ppl did in the year of prep. if omni guy didn't hide well enough he might be killed by the deathnote guy and be forced to take the other ones with him.
In this case, I would say omni kills groundhog D1 and would kill everyone else 1 per day in the next 3 days. When he asks how to kill teleporter and time freeze, he should be able to do it, as long as it's possible, without them activating their powers, otherwise the voice would have said it was impossible to carry out the kill. I might come down to how fast the 3 of them can figure out who the omni is and kill him before D4.
In this scenario, I think omni should go after death note D2, since death note can just try to kill all lotery winners (or something) without actually leaving his house. Then time freeze and teleporter on D3 and D4.
if omni asks how to kill X guy, the voice could say something like: you shoot him....
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught." The fun thing is, that the answer may adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.
This would imply certain things: omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman) omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy) omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.
Hmm, that makes sense, but that also mean that omni can kill anyone 100% every day, by asking that question, no?
pretty much, yes.
maybe teleport guy can escape him because he teleports to places unreachable within one day but i can hardly see him winning this except when he is suuuuuper cautious and overly intelligent. time freeze guy has to see the danger coming to freeze time which isn't hard to take care of, for example with a sniper rifle. deathnote guy seems to be the least dangerous unless he can figure out a way to guess the id of omni guy. or he searches a list with the richest ppl who got their money recently and randomly starts killing them. this would be a question of what these ppl did in the year of prep. if omni guy didn't hide well enough he might be killed by the deathnote guy and be forced to take the other ones with him.
In this case, I would say omni kills groundhog D1 and would kill everyone else 1 per day in the next 3 days. When he asks how to kill teleporter and time freeze, he should be able to do it, as long as it's possible, without them activating their powers, otherwise the voice would have said it was impossible to carry out the kill. I might come down to how fast the 3 of them can figure out who the omni is and kill him before D4.
In this scenario, I think omni should go after death note D2, since death note can just try to kill all lotery winners (or something) without actually leaving his house. Then time freeze and teleporter on D3 and D4.
if omni asks how to kill X guy, the voice could say something like: you shoot him....
Lol, that would be ironic.
Would "How to kill *that guy* for Dummies" be of use?
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught." The fun thing is, that the answer may adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.
This would imply certain things: omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman) omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy) omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.
Hmm, that makes sense, but that also mean that omni can kill anyone 100% every day, by asking that question, no?
pretty much, yes.
maybe teleport guy can escape him because he teleports to places unreachable within one day but i can hardly see him winning this except when he is suuuuuper cautious and overly intelligent. time freeze guy has to see the danger coming to freeze time which isn't hard to take care of, for example with a sniper rifle. deathnote guy seems to be the least dangerous unless he can figure out a way to guess the id of omni guy. or he searches a list with the richest ppl who got their money recently and randomly starts killing them. this would be a question of what these ppl did in the year of prep. if omni guy didn't hide well enough he might be killed by the deathnote guy and be forced to take the other ones with him.
In this case, I would say omni kills groundhog D1 and would kill everyone else 1 per day in the next 3 days. When he asks how to kill teleporter and time freeze, he should be able to do it, as long as it's possible, without them activating their powers, otherwise the voice would have said it was impossible to carry out the kill. I might come down to how fast the 3 of them can figure out who the omni is and kill him before D4.
In this scenario, I think omni should go after death note D2, since death note can just try to kill all lotery winners (or something) without actually leaving his house. Then time freeze and teleporter on D3 and D4.
if omni asks how to kill X guy, the voice could say something like: you shoot him....
I think your idea with the DN guy has something worth discussing. But if the answer is basically useless, the whole point of the omni voice is void. the answer must be at least somehow useful or else we take a random generator and let luck decide if the answer is useful or not. I would, however like to point out that for the DN guy it is a race against the clock because I as the omni guy would go after him as #2 so he most likely would have 24-48h time to find omni guy.
Haha, I just found something really weird at clinical death.
One can "kill" someone for atleast 72 hours without really damaging him. Could the DN guy use his "heart attack" attack against someone who is already dead? :p
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught." The fun thing is, that the answer may adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.
This would imply certain things: omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman) omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy) omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.
Hmm, that makes sense, but that also mean that omni can kill anyone 100% every day, by asking that question, no?
pretty much, yes.
maybe teleport guy can escape him because he teleports to places unreachable within one day but i can hardly see him winning this except when he is suuuuuper cautious and overly intelligent. time freeze guy has to see the danger coming to freeze time which isn't hard to take care of, for example with a sniper rifle. deathnote guy seems to be the least dangerous unless he can figure out a way to guess the id of omni guy. or he searches a list with the richest ppl who got their money recently and randomly starts killing them. this would be a question of what these ppl did in the year of prep. if omni guy didn't hide well enough he might be killed by the deathnote guy and be forced to take the other ones with him.
In this case, I would say omni kills groundhog D1 and would kill everyone else 1 per day in the next 3 days. When he asks how to kill teleporter and time freeze, he should be able to do it, as long as it's possible, without them activating their powers, otherwise the voice would have said it was impossible to carry out the kill. I might come down to how fast the 3 of them can figure out who the omni is and kill him before D4.
In this scenario, I think omni should go after death note D2, since death note can just try to kill all lotery winners (or something) without actually leaving his house. Then time freeze and teleporter on D3 and D4.
if omni asks how to kill X guy, the voice could say something like: you shoot him....
I think your idea with the DN guy has something worth discussing. But if the answer is basically useless, the whole point of the omni voice is void. the answer must be at least somehow useful or else we take a random generator and let luck decide if the answer is useful or not. I would, however like to point out that for the DN guy it is a race against the clock because I as the omni guy would go after him as #2 so he most likely would have 24-48h time to find omni guy.
the Omni can ask something like: day 1: what is the name of the 4 guys I need to kill to become a god. day 2: what is the address of where XXXXXX guy will be tomorrow at 10 o'clock day 3: plants bomb on location to explode at 10 o'clock
also, for the DN the thing is, you get inside the bunker in 2h max, you have a little army protecting you... there is no way a normal person can get trough a little army, you just need to resupply your army every 23 days because they die from heart attack....
On October 03 2012 04:59 Wyk wrote: Wait one second, why would omni guy learn anything from GHG loop? That doesnt make sense at all. The only shot omni has vs GHG is asking in the right day where GHG is going to be in the next few hours. But he has a 1/3 shot of getting it right. Even less if GHG decides he kills all of them in the 4th morning or something.
His day 1 question is always "What did I learn in the last time loop?" Even if nobody else knows what happened in the last loop, the omniscient voice can answer this question. Therefore, omni benefits from GHG's loop because everything he knew before gets imparted to him via this day 1 question (that he re-asks for a different answer in every time loop).
Effectively, this means that GHG doesn't gain any ground from the fact that time is looping, because omni gets to know whatever he knew before ALSO. Which means that omni will always be one step ahead of GHG by virtue of getting to ask questions on days 2 and 3.
omniscient guy wins this for sure imo. all he has to do is ask "where can i find person one in exactly 4 days time?"
after he gets his answer he plans the next two days by also asking what the best way to kill him is and how not to get caught. then travels on the third. kills on the fourth. seems ez idk. other guys are kinda fucked.
guy #4, figures out who and where the other 4 people are after 4 days. kills them perfectly because he knows how to do that.. saves groundhog guy for last.
On October 03 2012 04:56 rpgalon wrote: deathnote guy wins + Show Spoiler +
what to do:
day 1 -looks for picture of every president from countries that have a strong army in wikipedia, write their names in the notebook.(you can find their names and pictures on the internet).
-you can mind control then by writing something along the lines of: (insert president name) will call this phone (insert my phone number) and will obey every order I give to him till 23 days later when he dies from heart attack.
- ask the presidents to hide you in the safest hidden bunker in Britain, where you live, so you can get there in like 1-2 hours after the game began.
- while traveling to the bunker you start mind controlling every important people in the world, using a notebook, (you will also be on skype with all the presidents you control, asking for names and photos of important people in the army/intel).
-not only the others will still have to get the intel on "who are you", "where are you", they will also need the power to break your bunker after 1-2 hours passed and you get inside it.
- eventually you will have every country in the world looking for them, you also will have access to every person Identity, so once your worldwide intel find one suspect (they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them.), you only need his Identity (photo + name) and you can write his name in the death note, even if they manage to get fake Identities, the signs they left in their first year will point to their old Identities.
I think that the other players can anticipate this though upon the start of the game, as well as it not being super plausable. I don't think you'd be able to find a reasonable picture for every general/colonel in charge of military operations on the internet; just getting the President of the United States and say 20 high ranking military generals wouldn't be enough to get the ball rolling immediately on a manhunt. Snagging top people at the FBI, etc leads to same outcome in my eyes. Other observers are going to wonder what the hell is going on.
Plus people are going to wonder "what the fuck is going on" certainly within 5 hours of this happening.
And if anyone survives for 23 days then you better fucking believe "normal" people in the world will wonder what the hell is going on (since the people you control start to die, if you even had a plausable scenario to make things discrete that didn't just cause a massive international uproar, like having the US nuke japan to try to kill off the person located in japan).
For instance, teleport guy can teleport to a random location everyday for the first 30 days, each time returning for just mere seconds to the location he had to originally teleport from. Since there really isn't any motivation for teleport guy to do anything else (unless he is worried about the omniscient guy)
edit- you aren't going to be able to finish all 5, IMO, and the second 23 days ends up the whole world will go after you since they probably could track the skype call/someone knows you went to the bunker, etc. If you tried to do things more discretely you aren't going to be effective enough; I'm assuming you probably need to mind control at least ~5 people at a time to get anything accomplished, whether it's random hired assassins #1-5 or the President of the United states
On October 03 2012 04:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I assume the players can kill each other without being seen and in a single blow (headshot), otherwise time freeze guy would have the clear advantage (he'd be unkillable, except by the death note guy).
I think the first question has to be: can the players avoid the D1 GHG massacre/how would they do it, even if they knew 100% it was coming? It's tough to actually answer this, but I think time freeze guy is the only one who might be able to: he can use his 5 frozen hours to vanish completely (gather supplies, hide in the woods, steal a car that won't be reported in 3 days, or something). Teleporter guy is vulnerable to GHG because of his necessary "return" teleport (he can live, though, if he gives up his power, by teleporting to the middle of a jungle and not teleporting back). Death note guy has no chance and should die. Omniscient guy should die because even if his question saves him on D1, it can't be repeated, so he will be vulnerable days 2 or 3. Then time freeze would be up against a powerless (but VERY well prepared) GHG. Time freeze would probably win, but idk.
GHG needs a nerf . I fail to see a reason for him to not use his powers D1 and kill (at the very least) death note, teleporter and omniscient.
Because the omni guy simply can kill GHG with the question: "How do I kill GHG today without being caught." The fun thing is, that the answer may adapt to the behavior of GHG. Thus his 12000 tries would be worthless because omni guy can adapt to GHG but GHG would learn nothing from omni guy. most likely GHG would simply go insane because it would be sooooooooooo frustrating to try to battle omni guy with this question.
This would imply certain things: omni guy is quite rich (maybe has access to a plane and/or a hitman) omni guy didn't draw a fuckton of attention like winning 50 lotteries in a row (because of deathnote guy) omni guy sticks to the answer and doesn't try to alter it because the movie plot is shit he's retard.
Hmm, that makes sense, but that also mean that omni can kill anyone 100% every day, by asking that question, no?
pretty much, yes.
maybe teleport guy can escape him because he teleports to places unreachable within one day but i can hardly see him winning this except when he is suuuuuper cautious and overly intelligent. time freeze guy has to see the danger coming to freeze time which isn't hard to take care of, for example with a sniper rifle. deathnote guy seems to be the least dangerous unless he can figure out a way to guess the id of omni guy. or he searches a list with the richest ppl who got their money recently and randomly starts killing them. this would be a question of what these ppl did in the year of prep. if omni guy didn't hide well enough he might be killed by the deathnote guy and be forced to take the other ones with him.
In this case, I would say omni kills groundhog D1 and would kill everyone else 1 per day in the next 3 days. When he asks how to kill teleporter and time freeze, he should be able to do it, as long as it's possible, without them activating their powers, otherwise the voice would have said it was impossible to carry out the kill. I might come down to how fast the 3 of them can figure out who the omni is and kill him before D4.
In this scenario, I think omni should go after death note D2, since death note can just try to kill all lotery winners (or something) without actually leaving his house. Then time freeze and teleporter on D3 and D4.
if omni asks how to kill X guy, the voice could say something like: you shoot him....
I think your idea with the DN guy has something worth discussing. But if the answer is basically useless, the whole point of the omni voice is void. the answer must be at least somehow useful or else we take a random generator and let luck decide if the answer is useful or not. I would, however like to point out that for the DN guy it is a race against the clock because I as the omni guy would go after him as #2 so he most likely would have 24-48h time to find omni guy.
the Omni can ask something like: day 1: what is the name of the 4 guys I need to kill to become a god. day 2: what is the address of where XXXXXX guy will be tomorrow at 10 o'clock day 3: plants bomb on location to explode at 10 o'clock
the thing is, you get inside the bunker in 2h max, you have a little army protecting you...
I don't really need the name of the person to kill him The first question would always be: "how to kill GHG without being caught" because the more time you give him the more powerful he becomes. The faster you shut him down, the less time he has to obtain intel and pass it on to someone who might use it.
I would def. go after DN the second day because after you got the DN it's basically a free win. But omni guy wouldn't have to kill him directly. I mean, it would draw attention if you suddenly took over a lot of presidents and hid in a bunker. So you might find some means to open up the bunker because if you "took over" a lot of soldiers you will be weaker after 23 days.
Another option would be: How do i destroy the DN (without being caught)?
so in my opinion it comes down to if N°5 can figure out how to kill everyone else in 3 days, having 12k tries to figure it out. He basically has to do it on the first 3 days, as someone could bunker in (N°4 winning lottery multiple times, buying private highest security), and become unkillable, even in 3 days. There is no correct question that can keep N°4 perfectly safe from everything, there is a loophole in every single one. If he asks on how to not be harmed for the next 24 hours, he can still get killed by a harmless pill/injection that activates after 25 hours to kill him or similar stuff. And if he planned to kill N°5 and asks how to do it on Day 1 before getting killed himself, the answer will not be sufficient (as he can either obtain location, time or method of killing in one question, not all 3 at once). If he asks on how to not get found, there is still the possibility to get nuked by accident etc. Even if there was a question that would offer complete protection, he would need to use it every single day, as he does not know if the loop starts on that day. This would require him to use protection every single day, which will leave him dead after one year. So if he does play to win, he will either gamble on which days he needs protection, or go for full out attack, which will leave him open to N°5. The question "how to kill GHG without being caught" will not give you a detailed plan without flaw, but instead it will tell you "stab him before he stabs you" or similar stuff as the correct answer. Which does not help at all.
The other 3 guys are easy prey for N°5, as with 12k tries, if he is able to find them, he can anticipate their move and use their weakness against them, since if he has no significant impact on the others decision making in 3 days, they will do the same thing over and over. Plus, they have obvious weaknesses.
IF N°5 however cannot figure out how to kill everyone else in 3 days (for example, only kills 0-4 because someone was hiding somewhere), i think everyone else is fair game, since the answers for N°4 are not all-inclusive answers, and they are only valid for 24 hours (which leaves him with only 2 correct answers that are valid at the same time, if questions from two days overlap, when he needs to know location, time and method of killing). It does never fully protect him, nor will it ever be enough for a guaranteed kill.
The only guy who is truly pathetic is the teleporting one, as once he teleports out, he has to teleport back to the same spot, giving him the most obvious weakness. Plus, he will most likely not kill the freeze guy, since he cannot teleport-kill him (no teleporting into solid matter), and if he teleports anywhere near him, time freeze for 5 hours into easy kill.
Thus i conclude that guy N°5 has the first shot at killing everyone (and has to take it), and other than that, as long as everyone is smart enough to not stay at the same location for 24+ hours, it gets down to mostly luck and being aware of the surroundings. My money is on everyone dying due to there being more than one survivor if they are not stupid.
The thing is, guy #4 will NOT ask the same questions in each time loop. Only his 1st question will be the same: "What did I learn in the last time loop?" Because the answer to this will be different every time, this allows guy #4 to a) persist knowledge between time loops, b) ask different questions in each loop.
In fact, guy #5's time loop acts as insurance for guy #4: unless guy #5 manages to win, any scenario in which guy #4 died in those 3 days will be rewound on the next loop, and because guy #4's first question is "What did I learn in the last time loop?" he will be able to avoid whatever death he suffered during the last loop.
On October 03 2012 05:30 Cirqueenflex wrote: so in my opinion it comes down to if N°5 can figure out how to kill everyone else in 3 days, having 12k tries to figure it out. He basically has to do it on the first 3 days, as someone could bunker in (N°4 winning lottery multiple times, buying private highest security), and become unkillable, even in 3 days. There is no correct question that can keep N°4 perfectly safe from everything, there is a loophole in every single one.
You should read this thread. GHG can not learn anything from omni guy because the answer to "how do i kill GHG today" changes from day to day depending on how GHG chooses to adapt to the actions of the previous day. Thus rendering his "advantage" useless.
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The question "how to kill GHG without being caught" will not give you a detailed plan without flaw, but instead it will tell you "stab him before he stabs you" or similar stuff as the correct answer. Which does not help at all.
so you are assuming he will get a useless answer, because you don't like him?
Doubleedit: So the answer to "What will be next lotterys winning numbers?" will be: The ones that the winner chose.
On October 03 2012 05:34 TheYango wrote: The thing is, guy #4 will NOT ask the same questions in each time loop. Only his 1st question will be the same: "What did I learn in the last time loop?" Because the answer to this will be different every time, this allows guy #4 to a) persist knowledge between time loops, b) ask different questions in each loop.
In fact, guy #5's time loop acts as insurance for guy #4: unless guy #5 manages to win, any scenario in which guy #4 died in those 3 days will be rewound on the next loop, and because guy #4's first question is "What did I learn in the last time loop?" he will be able to avoid whatever death he suffered during the last loop.
On October 03 2012 05:30 Cirqueenflex wrote: so in my opinion it comes down to if N°5 can figure out how to kill everyone else in 3 days, having 12k tries to figure it out. He basically has to do it on the first 3 days, as someone could bunker in (N°4 winning lottery multiple times, buying private highest security), and become unkillable, even in 3 days. There is no correct question that can keep N°4 perfectly safe from everything, there is a loophole in every single one.
You should read this thread. GHG can not learn anything from omni guy because the answer to "how do i kill GHG today" changes from day to day depending on how GHG chooses to adapt to the actions of the previous day. Thus rendering his "advantage" useless.
The question "how to kill GHG without being caught" will not give you a detailed plan without flaw, but instead it will tell you "stab him before he stabs you" or similar stuff as the correct answer. Which does not help at all.
so you are assuming he will get a useless answer, because you don't like him?
Doubleedit: So the answer to "What will be next lotterys winning numbers?" will be: The ones that the winner chose.
The answer Omni receives does (may) change what Omni does on a given day, but HOW MUCH does it change? Enough that GHG can't figure out Omni's method of thinking, how he processes information and learn to anticipate what Omni might do? Omni still starts each day in the same location. There are supposed to be clues to follow if you're looking, so I can't see Omni perpetually evading GHG regardless of the question/answer.
Guy 4. Tell the world about his power and prove it is real. Then the US will take him in to force him to find the answer to their questions. He says he will obey them so long as the CIA find and kill the other 4 and bring him the bodies. With a world Super power at his heels, nothing can stop him.
On October 03 2012 05:34 TheYango wrote: The thing is, guy #4 will NOT ask the same questions in each time loop. Only his 1st question will be the same: "What did I learn in the last time loop?" Because the answer to this will be different every time, this allows guy #4 to a) persist knowledge between time loops, b) ask different questions in each loop.
In fact, guy #5's time loop acts as insurance for guy #4: unless guy #5 manages to win, any scenario in which guy #4 died in those 3 days will be rewound on the next loop, and because guy #4's first question is "What did I learn in the last time loop?" he will be able to avoid whatever death he suffered during the last loop.
How does he know that he's in a loop?
OP stated that all participants know each other's superpowers. Of course he knows #5's power results in time looping.
On October 03 2012 04:53 Hopeless1der wrote: GHG doesn't necesarily have to relive the FIRST 3-days. He picks and chooses when that 3-day period starts. However, I believe his best course of action is to activate GH immediately.
Ultimately, I think this comes down to Omni vs GHG, as Omni is the only person able to realistically avoid GHG.
GHG spends 20-40 years learning the identities of each of the other 4 players. He doesn't need to kill them, just learn who they are, what they do etc. etc. - Killing them doesn't help until he can kill ALL of them within the 3 days.
I expect GHG to learn how the DN works. This is his best chance to get Omni, as he's likely to learn Omni's identity. Omni not only has to survive, he has to EVADE the GHG each day, or he's subject to death by the DN.
As for GHG getting the DN...he learns how to steal a fighter jet, smokes DN guy, steals the DN and kills everyone else using the DN. GG! (He has 100 years, I'm sure he'll figure out everyone's identity at some point, probably by baiting himself on the 3rd day a bunch of times)
This game comes down to whether or not Omni can evade GHG indefinitely. I don't think he can, and GHG will be able to succeed within the 3-day sequence, instantly becoming a god and ending his loop.
Agree on GHG part, but I feel Omni isnt as strong if he doesnt ask the right questions. Everything is reset after three days if GHG plays it right, so Omni really only gets 3 questions, and itll come down to whether he ask the right 3 questions in order to beat GHG.
Your DN part is just fucked up however. if GHG baits wrongly on the third day, the DN guy can just kill him without GHG ever really knowing, and once he does figure out DN's power, theres no saying DN guy will actually reveal himself or anything, making DN guy effectively the hardest target to kill. Personally I feel that the "During the first year, each of them leaves behind traces of themselves if someone was to look for them" part doesnt really apply to DN guy if he actually knows the comic lol. He'll definetely play it smart, and itll just be a bunch of random killings that can really just relate to anything/
On October 03 2012 04:56 rpgalon wrote: deathnote guy wins + Show Spoiler +
what to do:
day 1 -looks for picture of every president from countries that have a strong army in wikipedia, write their names in the notebook.(you can find their names and pictures on the internet).
-you can mind control then by writing something along the lines of: (insert president name) will call this phone (insert my phone number) and will obey every order I give to him till 23 days later when he dies from heart attack.
- ask the presidents to hide you in the safest hidden bunker in Britain, where you live, so you can get there in like 1-2 hours after the game began.
- while traveling to the bunker you start mind controlling every important people in the world, using a notebook, (you will also be on skype with all the presidents you control, asking for names and photos of important people in the army/intel).
-not only the others will still have to get the intel on "who are you", "where are you", they will also need the power to break your bunker after 1-2 hours passed and you get inside it.
- eventually you will have every country in the world looking for them, you also will have access to every person Identity, so once your worldwide intel find one suspect (they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them.), you only need his Identity (photo + name) and you can write his name in the death note, even if they manage to get fake Identities, the signs they left in their first year will point to their old Identities.
I think that the other players can anticipate this though upon the start of the game, as well as it not being super plausable. I don't think you'd be able to find a reasonable picture for every general/colonel in charge of military operations on the internet; just getting the President of the United States and say 20 high ranking military generals wouldn't be enough to get the ball rolling immediately on a manhunt. Snagging top people at the FBI, etc leads to same outcome in my eyes. Other observers are going to wonder what the hell is going on.
Plus people are going to wonder "what the fuck is going on" certainly within 5 hours of this happening.
And if anyone survives for 23 days then you better fucking believe "normal" people in the world will wonder what the hell is going on (since the people you control start to die, if you even had a plausable scenario to make things discrete that didn't just cause a massive international uproar, like having the US nuke japan to try to kill off the person located in japan).
For instance, teleport guy can teleport to a random location everyday for the first 30 days, each time returning for just mere seconds to the location he had to originally teleport from. Since there really isn't any motivation for teleport guy to do anything else (unless he is worried about the omniscient guy)
how can they anticipate this? also, once you get the first wave of mind controlled people, they can help you with the photos and names of other people. you can get like 20-30 people an hour, you can get at least a team to search for someone. also your intel team will grow everyday, like 400 people everyday... also, how will the other guys know that there is a lot of people looking for them? also, what can they do?
and if "they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them".... is enough that even the teleport guy can find the others eventually, 400+ people looking for someone are going to find them in like 2-3 days.
I feel you guys are ruling out death note guy way to soon. He could write down stuf like: "director of every security agency in the world. suicide because they realized they spent all their man power/money on finding and killing guys 1,2,4 and 5". Or am I breaking the rules now? EDIT: sorry been brought up.
If i remember correctly in the series death note guy can let other people wright names to. He could make make the US president for example, right down names all day with the wording he chooses. growth of controlled group would increase unimaginable fast. Hell he could even take some well connected news network bosses to announce the existence of the others.And if he can identify one of the others he kinda has his power to for those days.
Was wondering, if Death note guy can identify GHD guy and order him to do shit, does the that apply to the loop as wel?
although nothing beats the global apocalypse plan.
The question "how to kill GHG without being caught" will not give you a detailed plan without flaw, but instead it will tell you "stab him before he stabs you" or similar stuff as the correct answer. Which does not help at all.
He got one years worth of training in how to phrase his questions properly. I am certain he would have experimented with his powers learn how to phrase his questions. If he didn't do something along those lines he is dead meat. This is also here our problem lies in assessing his true chances, since we don't know how aware he himself is of the flaw + how to circumvent it.
Thinking about it, I think the safest strategy for Omni guy is to start day 1 by learning how to remove "all" traces of him having powers (especially online). This is necessary because otherwise he risks DeathNote guy tracing him over the internet (killing all lottery winners during the training year) and GroundHog Guy activating GHD on day 1 to maximize his chances of winning. 12000 days is enough to find someone if you have a trail (especially online trail), but not if you don't have a trail to follow. If he is able to remove "all" traces he can take a more lean approach to winning. Personally I think it would be worth it to take a small gamble and use the 2nd day question to ask what did I learn during the last GHD loop. This would lead to a couple of different scenarios (to list a few): 1. You learn that GHG activated his power + including what you asked on day 3 in the last loop. Keep asking new questions on day 3 to learn all and anything about guy 1-3 + 5. 2. You learn that GHG didn't activate his power and should prioritize killing him (unless if deathnote guy is making big waves by swaying presidents and stuff, after all I doubt you could remove your trail 100% even when guided by omnibus!). 3. You learn that GHG activated his powers and you died, giving you a chance to avoid this death. 4. You learn that GHG activated his powers and you died from DeathNote guy snuffing your information, QQ.
It seems to be the battle of the supernatural quick draw. Whoever can strike first, wins.
Guy 2 is dead meat. His abilities are far too limited in terms of application and amount of uses to be useful, at least when compared to the other guys who all are capable of winning a fight much faster and doing so more often over a period of time. Unless, of course, Guy 2 can just teleport to his targets, despite not knowing their location or exact appearance. Then he would be drastically weakened, though. Easy mark. Either way, Guy 2 is NOT favored. His only chance in the 3 day time loop to grab victory will be for a huge freaking free-for-all to happen, with that OP aforementioned "teleport to the targets" ability, which is very unlikely. Even more unlikely is him and Guy 5 being the last survivors, with him winning the duel.
Guy 3 is also in deep shit. His ability takes a rather large amount of time to activate. Unless he can act without being spotted, he's dead. So, Guy 3 is not well off. He can win it, but others are stronger. Personally, I would rather take a gun than take what he has. His method might prevent you from being caught, but gods don't need to worry about cops. If it is possible to order his first victim die in combat against all the others, thus allowing Guy 3 to learn their faces, he should be pretty favored, but that's unlikely, and, of course, he still has to learn their names.
Guy 1 is like the Russian roulette of the group. Every 3 day "cycle" that Guy 5 creates, Guy 1 has a 5 hour window to win everything or at least do insurmountable damage. The odds may not favor him, but he has a lot of tries and a small chance each time, so he's perhaps the biggest one to worry about(key word being worry. He isn't favored, but he IS something that's going to make people nervous each and every round), unless he makes some conservative decisions about when to use his power (i.e. save it for when he needs it, or decides to use it 4 days later or some shit).
Guy 4 and Guy 5 are the biggest guys to beat.
For Guy 4, EVERYTHING depends on what his 3 questions are going to be. He's going to make it or break it with those questions. The only real threat is if he dies too early on during every time loop.
Guy 5 is the favorite. He has so many "tries", he's going to be almost impossible to beat, unless he dies extremely early on. Even worse, he learns from every encounter, gaining the most vital resource in this battle: intelligence.
Of course, I'm approaching it from a standpoint of calculating the "odds". It is possible someone other than Guy 4 or 5 to win, but they are the heavy favorites.
On October 03 2012 05:48 FeUerFlieGe wrote: Guy 4. Tell the world about his power and prove it is real. Then the US will take him in to force him to find the answer to their questions. He says he will obey them so long as the CIA find and kill the other 4 and bring him the bodies. With a world Super power at his heels, nothing can stop him.
And then Death note guy obliterates him.
Edit: GHG should just find a creative way to kill everyone in the world. I mean, it's pretty easy to go everywhere in five days, you could probs find a way to carpet the world with nukes.
On October 03 2012 05:55 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: For Guy 4, EVERYTHING depends on what his 3 questions are going to be. He's going to make it or break it with those questions. The only real threat is if he dies too early on during every time loop.
Guy 5 is the favorite. He has so many "tries", he's going to be almost impossible to beat, unless he dies extremely early on. Even worse, he learns from every encounter, gaining the most vital resource in this battle: intelligence.
You haven't been following the discussion. So long as Guy 4's first question is "What did I learn during the last time loop?", he can hold onto knowledge on successive loops because the voice will answer that question (it's not a how or why question and it has an objective definitive answer, so there are no loopholes that the omniscient voice can game him out of). He then uses his day 2 and 3 questions on each loop to learn new things. He gets ~25000 questions over Guy 5's successive loops--that's well more than enough to evade Guy 5 in each cycle until Guy 5 is out of retries, at which point he uses his accumulated knowledge/asks the omniscient voice how to kill Guy 5.
On October 03 2012 05:55 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Guy 1 is like the Russian roulette of the group. Every 3 day "cycle" that Guy 5 creates, Guy 1 has a 5 hour window to win everything or at least do insurmountable damage. The odds may not favor him, but he has a lot of tries and a small chance each time, so he's perhaps the biggest one to worry about(key word being worry. He isn't favored, but he IS something that's going to make people nervous each and every round), unless he makes some conservative decisions about when to use his power (i.e. save it for when he needs it, or decides to use it 4 days later or some shit).
Actually, only the last cycle matters. Any cycle in which Guy 5 dies is instantly reset, so the only way to do "lasting" damage is for it to happen on or after the last cycle.
You can essentially simplify Guy 5's superpower to "he gets 100 years worth of planning and research". But through Guy 4 taking advantage of the time looping in Guy 5's superpower, Guy 4 gets 100 years worth of planning, AND the omniscient answer to ~25000 questions IN ADDITION to that.
Most likely outcome is that they all win. Guy 5 will befriend them all. Guy 4 will confirm Guy's 5 honesty. Guy five will kill all other guys, then as he promised, with his new Godpowers - rescue all of his friends and give them the ability to remember - just like him - how they spend the last 4000 years with eachother.
On October 03 2012 04:56 rpgalon wrote: deathnote guy wins + Show Spoiler +
what to do:
day 1 -looks for picture of every president from countries that have a strong army in wikipedia, write their names in the notebook.(you can find their names and pictures on the internet).
-you can mind control then by writing something along the lines of: (insert president name) will call this phone (insert my phone number) and will obey every order I give to him till 23 days later when he dies from heart attack.
- ask the presidents to hide you in the safest hidden bunker in Britain, where you live, so you can get there in like 1-2 hours after the game began.
- while traveling to the bunker you start mind controlling every important people in the world, using a notebook, (you will also be on skype with all the presidents you control, asking for names and photos of important people in the army/intel).
-not only the others will still have to get the intel on "who are you", "where are you", they will also need the power to break your bunker after 1-2 hours passed and you get inside it.
- eventually you will have every country in the world looking for them, you also will have access to every person Identity, so once your worldwide intel find one suspect (they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them.), you only need his Identity (photo + name) and you can write his name in the death note, even if they manage to get fake Identities, the signs they left in their first year will point to their old Identities.
I think that the other players can anticipate this though upon the start of the game, as well as it not being super plausable. I don't think you'd be able to find a reasonable picture for every general/colonel in charge of military operations on the internet; just getting the President of the United States and say 20 high ranking military generals wouldn't be enough to get the ball rolling immediately on a manhunt. Snagging top people at the FBI, etc leads to same outcome in my eyes. Other observers are going to wonder what the hell is going on.
Plus people are going to wonder "what the fuck is going on" certainly within 5 hours of this happening.
And if anyone survives for 23 days then you better fucking believe "normal" people in the world will wonder what the hell is going on (since the people you control start to die, if you even had a plausable scenario to make things discrete that didn't just cause a massive international uproar, like having the US nuke japan to try to kill off the person located in japan).
For instance, teleport guy can teleport to a random location everyday for the first 30 days, each time returning for just mere seconds to the location he had to originally teleport from. Since there really isn't any motivation for teleport guy to do anything else (unless he is worried about the omniscient guy)
how can they anticipate this? also, once you get the first wave of mind controlled people, they can help you with the photos and names of other people. you can get like 20-30 people an hour, you can get at least a team to search for someone. also your intel team will grow everyday, like 400 people everyday... also, how will the other guys know that there is a lot of people looking for them? also, what can they do?
and if "they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them".... is enough that even the teleport guy can find the others eventually, 400+ people looking for someone are going to find them in like 2-3 days.
How long did it take you to come up with this idea? They know the other people's powers, I'm sure one of them can figure it out. And what of the GHG who is likely to pop his ability off day 1?
I think you put too much faith in what getting individuals can accomplish. There are a lot of nonames that will interact with very important people, and very important people have things rigorously scheduled like months in advance. Getting a president of a nation on a skype call for even 30 minutes to lay out a plan would be surprisingly difficult. You either (a) cause huge fucking suspicion in taking very important people (I will give the benefit of the doubt that for at least 10 hours people will follow along) or (b) play it so cautiously that you don't get anything done.
also I'm uncertain if deathnote works this way exactly (my impression is that you can only really control them to do something that leads towards their death directly; I have not seen the anime).
why people are thinking that the Omni has also unlimited power? if he falls from a plane and asks: how do I survive? does the voice say: you create wings!
if he is against a guy with a gun and asks how I kill him, the voice will say: you dodge the bullets and break his neck...
he is not that powerfull like everyone is making him out to be.
I still think the DN guy got this... he can control everyone he knows the name and saw the face for 23 days. and is the only one that does not need.
also, you need to know who you are looking for them you start looking where is he/she
the DN guy does not need to know where are you, once he discover who you are, you are dead.
Couldn't Guy 4 ask, "How does Death Note Guy kill others?" into "Where is the Death Note" to get info about the death note and most likely it's owner? Then he could steal it, kill Death Note guy, gain his powers and work on tracking down the other guys and taking care of them. With his voice, he can track just about anyone I'd assume.
The only real threats here are Guys 3-5. The teleport Guy and freeze time Guy don't really pose a challenge I think to anyone. I'm still a bit confused on how GHG works so I won't comment on him. Apparently if he makes a mistake, he can relive that mistake and change an aspect of that day he relived or something?
Edit: I suppose omniscient guy would need the Death Note so he could kill the teleport guy and freeze-guy. He wouldn't be able to kill the teleport guy without it because guy would just teleport away from the battle.
Would #4 be aware of the effects of the groundhog day? If so, he could continuously try to kill #5, even if it exposes him. He'd have to know that the world would end after day three anyway, and the timeline would be reset. The danger here is that he is not aware of what iteration of the loop #5 is in, so there's a chance it's the last iteration and the timeline will continue with #4 in a problematic situation. But he could just try and be more cautious, after all, #5 is his only threat and with him gone it's easy to win.
edit: oh, it's like someone else said in this thread, #4 simply asks on day1: tell me all the things I have learned in previous iterations of the time loop, which will include the iteration of the time loop. After this, he is free to try and learn as much as possible about #5 (his main threat), effectively having the same power as he is able to, to a degree, memorize what happens in the time loop, risk death as he will be resurrected after day three anyway and use the second and third day to ask the omniscient voice questions again. He is not allowed to repeat questions, but he can do so anyway, as the time resets and in that case he can ask repeat questions. And of course, if he uses his powers this way, he is almost exactly like #5, except that he can ask the omniscient voice to learn even more than #5 could possibly do.
Craziest scenario is that #4 and #5 become aware of each other's existence.
It would just be whoever has the ability to act on their powers first. I guess you could compile a list of "if.. then.." statements for who would win, where, like if time travel man knows the location of all of them at once, at any time, and they are within 5 hours of each other, he is just goign to stab them all
or if time man can figure out a way in his 12175 attempts to end it in 3 days, and does it succesfully on the last cycle, then he is gonna win
Problem with omni potent guy is that he can only ask 1 question a day. He is extremely weak at first because he need alot of time to gather data. He probably wouldnt be able to do much until after the first week. For example, he would probably ask first who his enemies are and then do research on them. Then the next day he would ask how to get money, which will probably involve lottery or blackmail or something. Just because he knows, doesnt mean he will be able to accomplish what he asked in a short amount of time.
If I was the deathnote guy, I would kill EVERYONE. I will find out who is in charge of the nuclear bombs in a country and then get him to launch all his missiles to every country in the world except Greenland. Then I will retreat to Greenland watch everything obliterate. If there was a small chance that someone knew about the plan and then retreat to Greenland as well, you will have already eliminted 99% of the population of the world and narrow down alot of possibilities. Then you just slowly works your way to finding out who the last person you didnt kill.
On October 03 2012 06:16 rpgalon wrote: why people are thinking that the Omni has also unlimited power? if he falls from a plane and asks: how do I survive? does the voice say: you create wings!
if he is against a guy with a gun and asks how I kill him, the voice will say: you dodge the bullets and break his neck...
he is not that powerfull like everyone is making him out to be.
I still think the DN guy got this... he can control everyone he knows the name and saw the face for 23 days. and is the only one that does not need.
also, you need to know who you are looking for them you start looking where is he/she
the DN guy does not need to know where are you, once he discover who you are, you are dead.
It is impossible for the Death Note guy to win on days 1-3. This is purely because any scenario where he wins on days 1-3 will be reset because of how GHG's power works.
What's more, because he can't gain knowledge across time loops the way #4 and #5 can, he will be executing the SAME plan 12000 times. Which means that after the first few, #4 and #5 will be able to elude any kill attempts made by #3 against them on the first 3 days. They then kill him during day 2 of the last cycle.
Essentially, the only way for Death Note to win is if both #4 and #5 are so stupid that they cannot evade death on days 1-3 even with 12000 retries. As soon as either finds a scenario where they can avoid death on days 1-3, #3 is dead because the remaining time loops can be used to devise a way to kill him.
The only way for anyone other than #4 to win is for #5 not to use or waste his power (e.g. #5 suicides right at the beginning of every cycle). Because if #5's power activates, #4 gets immeasurable benefit from it by being able to learn what he knew before by asking for it on the first day of each loop ("What did I learn during the last time loop?"). Essentially, he gains #5's power in proxy by giving up the first question of each loop for it.
Groundhog Day and Omniscient guy have the best chance at winning I think. The hardest part strategically for GHG is thinking about when to invoke the power of course. Might want to wait and not do it a immediately, but wait too long and you risk dying without using it.
If I were him my biggest concern is the omniscient guy asking who/where I am and him killing me since none of the others have any way of figuring out who I am. Assuming the omniscient guy is good he might try to kill me (groundhog guy) asap so with that in mind I think I would invoke my power on the 2nd day. From here on the key is to ascertain all the other people's locations/identities and to work out the best pattern for killing as many/all of them within the 3-day period as possible.
The "How can I kill GDG/any name today without dying myself?" seems like a good bet for the omni guy though. He should just keep at it until GDG is dead. I think it comes down to just how much this "omniscient voice" will answer.
On October 03 2012 06:16 rpgalon wrote: why people are thinking that the Omni has also unlimited power? if he falls from a plane and asks: how do I survive? does the voice say: you create wings!
if he is against a guy with a gun and asks how I kill him, the voice will say: you dodge the bullets and break his neck...
he is not that powerfull like everyone is making him out to be.
I still think the DN guy got this... he can control everyone he knows the name and saw the face for 23 days. and is the only one that does not need.
also, you need to know who you are looking for them you start looking where is he/she
the DN guy does not need to know where are you, once he discover who you are, you are dead.
It is impossible for the Death Note guy to win on days 1-3. This is purely because any scenario where he wins on days 1-3 will be reset because of how GHG's power works.
What's more, because he can't gain knowledge across time loops the way #4 and #5 can, he will be executing the SAME plan 12000 times. Which means that after the first few, #4 and #5 will be able to elude any kill attempts made by #3 against them on the first 3 days. They then kill him during day 2 of the last cycle.
Essentially, the only way for Death Note to win is if both #4 and #5 are so stupid that they cannot evade death on days 1-3 even with 12000 retries. As soon as either finds a scenario where they can avoid death on days 1-3, #3 is dead because the remaining time loops can be used to devise a way to kill him.
In general I think people overestimate all the powers though, especially GHG, at least for him winning. He cans screw over death note guy like that, but how is he really going to do anything to teleport guy? I don't think they know the nationality that everyone starts at (maybe the silhouette may be identifiable if, say, the US person had a cowboy hat and cowboy boots or something, at least more than "here is a slender guy"), but teleport guy can immediately go to a public restroom stall, teleport to South Africa, and be alright. for 3 days. Upon teleporting back to the restroom stall, just immediately teleport back.
Even if GHG finds the apartment/identity of teleport guy, he will never find the teleportation spot.
Too much also depends on the prior year. For instance, I'm sure there are some people in the world that, if granted the ability to teleport, would after a few days of playing around decide "HOLY SHIT I CAN TELEPORT TIME TO GET FAMOUS ON EVERY TV STATION IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD". He'd die instantly to deathnote guy.
Whereas people with 1 omniscient question probably will just use to make maybe 5 million dollars, donate some to charity, live a comfortable life, etc. Probably try to find an ideal wife/husband using the question.
Time freeze guy probably plays around with it and may get some money by like cheating every couple weeks at a very high stake poker game/casino game.
GHG, if able to test his ability ever (I'm assuming maybe get 1 cycle repeat, just as a proof of concept he can use his ability), probably just makes some money.
Omni actually wants Groundhog to activate his power. Likewise the only way for Groundhog to beat Omni is by not activating his power until after Omni is dead.
Groudhog also probably goes insane pretty fast, also he can't write anything down, so he has to remember everything. Kinda hard if you ask me, he probably suicides after a few loops lol
anyways, never voiced my own opinion. I think it actually comes down to time freeze, death note, and omniscient, with omniscient (guy 4) the clear favourite. Basically, I don't think GHG has any chance to finish all the others off in 3 days, and I think it is too risky to wait like 5 days to try to hope someone killed someone else first*. And teleport guy just doesn't have any ability that really helps with killing anyone; it's all defensive.
Omniscient should take it, as he is likely at least moderately wealthy from the previous year of testing and has a pretty strong power. He can counter GHG by asking the one question, and the other's don't have a real chance to get to him.
But, timefreeze and deathnote have little aces. The omniscient guy may be one of the newer wealthier people in the world, and death note guy can stay anonymous and kill all the rich people in the world (good odds of success to kill others, as it is likely at least 1 of them abuse the power in the previous year to make a shitton of money, like 100 million dollars). And if timefreeze ever gets a good scenario 1v1 somehow he can win. Toss up also for whoever kills deathnote and takes the deathnote.
*It would make a big difference if they also got dreams whenever someone died; don't know if that is part of the scenario. I think GHG may want to try to go into hiding and hope something happens, and wait to pop it off to finish the last 2 people or so. much more manageable than all 4 at the start. He is basically useless after his power is gone.
On October 03 2012 06:45 N.geNuity wrote: anyways, never voiced my own opinion. I think it actually comes down to time freeze, death note, and omniscient, with omniscient (guy 4) the clear favourite. Basically, I don't think GHG has any chance to finish all the others off in 3 days, and I think it is too risky to wait like 5 days to try to hope someone killed someone else first*. And teleport guy just doesn't have any ability that really helps with killing anyone; it's all defensive.
Omniscient should take it, as he is likely at least moderately wealthy from the previous year of testing and has a pretty strong power. He can counter GHG by asking the one question, and the other's don't have a real chance to get to him.
But, timefreeze and deathnote have little aces. The omniscient guy may be one of the newer wealthier people in the world, and death note guy can stay anonymous and kill all the rich people in the world (good odds of success to kill others, as it is likely at least 1 of them abuse the power in the previous year to make a shitton of money, like 100 million dollars). And if timefreeze ever gets a good scenario 1v1 somehow he can win. Toss up also for whoever kills deathnote and takes the deathnote.
*It would make a big difference if they also got dreams whenever someone died; don't know if that is part of the scenario. I think GHG may want to try to go into hiding and hope something happens, and wait to pop it off to finish the last 2 people or so. much more manageable than all 4 at the start. He is basically useless after his power is gone.
Couldnt agree more.
Omni potent and Death Note guy will most likely be going after each other first imo since both their power are the most dangerous to themselves.
While everyone will be avoiding time freeze guy because a direct confrontation with this guy is death.
Teleport guy will just be playing defensively, probably laying trap and stuff since he cant really kill anyone.
Ground hog guy will probably be playing defensive too to try and see if people will kill each other. Since he kinda needs people to kill each other and wait it out since he wants to activate his power as late as possible.
So imo, it comes down to who ever wins between Death note guy and omni potent guy. Who ever wins that will pretty much determine the winner.
I feel there are two scenarios. One is that Omni gains too much knowledge and kills everyone before the world resets from the Groundhog's power, therefore making him the winner. The other scenario is that Groundhog figures out when the loop will end and makes plans to survive against the others during the loop. Once he can survive the 100 years he can also figure out how to win as fast as possible after the loop ends. This is because Omni will lose his 100 years of knowledge as soon as the Groundhog loop finishes.
Because he gets 100 years of knowledge I would definitely favor him, but it is very possible that even given 100 years of knowledge he will not be able to execute a plan that kills everyone in three days. He is the only one who could realistically find a way to overcome everyone's powers and kill them before the world resets apart from Groundhog himself. Groundhog would have a more difficult time figuring everything out than Omni, but he would also have a crushing advantage the moment the loop ends.
In a scenario it would matter how fast Omni figures out the loop has started and begins his burden of knowledge and if he can figure out when the loop ends.
Groundhog guy wins almost surely IF he chooses the right 3 days to repeat. If all of the heroes are convinced to come to the same place (via deathnote propaganda or omniman), He could easily orchestrate them all killing each other as he rides in to the sunset. Unlike the other heroes, his ability is much more than a 1 time per day effect. As long as he plans for the first 362 days of the year and does not die first...
being that they know of each others powers, do you guys think they would form allies?
all GHG guy has to do is figure out how to methodically kill everyone on Earth in the span of three days, and since Omni gets 3 facts per loop, but GHG gains them faster as he finds a viable method of killing everyone and investigates it in great detail over and over again, using his 72 hours much more efficiently.
On October 03 2012 07:03 norsK wrote: Groundhog guy wins almost surely IF he chooses the right 3 days to repeat. If all of the heroes are convinced to come to the same place (via deathnote propaganda or omniman), He could easily orchestrate them all killing each other as he rides in to the sunset. Unlike the other heroes, his ability is much more than a 1 time per day effect. As long as he plans for the first 362 days of the year and does not die first...
being that they know of each others powers, do you guys think they would form allies?
Death Note + Omni is basically unbeatable combo once alliance is formed. But it is a very risky alliance for both, so probably it won't happen.
I think I like GHG a lot more if his power would be the following: he gets one more chance at the entire year pending either his death or the end of the year.
That way it's not so overpowered and you get less messy time loop scenarios. And at the very least GHG would stay sane.
And change the setting to five people living within thirty miles of Tokyo, since we all know this is basically an Anime plot.
Also, the need to teleport or to freeze time for #1 and #2 aren't weaknesses at all, so I don't know why it is required of them to do so. If you freeze time, nobody else notices, so it's not a weakness, because you won't noticeably age anyway. If you teleport you could give away your identity, but there's nothing preventing you from entering the bathroom and teleporting two steps away from you, after ensuring your privacy.
On October 03 2012 06:16 rpgalon wrote: why people are thinking that the Omni has also unlimited power? if he falls from a plane and asks: how do I survive? does the voice say: you create wings!
if he is against a guy with a gun and asks how I kill him, the voice will say: you dodge the bullets and break his neck...
he is not that powerfull like everyone is making him out to be.
I still think the DN guy got this... he can control everyone he knows the name and saw the face for 23 days. and is the only one that does not need.
also, you need to know who you are looking for them you start looking where is he/she
the DN guy does not need to know where are you, once he discover who you are, you are dead.
It is impossible for the Death Note guy to win on days 1-3. This is purely because any scenario where he wins on days 1-3 will be reset because of how GHG's power works.
What's more, because he can't gain knowledge across time loops the way #4 and #5 can, he will be executing the SAME plan 12000 times. Which means that after the first few, #4 and #5 will be able to elude any kill attempts made by #3 against them on the first 3 days. They then kill him during day 2 of the last cycle.
Essentially, the only way for Death Note to win is if both #4 and #5 are so stupid that they cannot evade death on days 1-3 even with 12000 retries. As soon as either finds a scenario where they can avoid death on days 1-3, #3 is dead because the remaining time loops can be used to devise a way to kill him.
The only way for anyone other than #4 to win is for #5 not to use or waste his power (e.g. #5 suicides right at the beginning of every cycle). Because if #5's power activates, #4 gets immeasurable benefit from it by being able to learn what he knew before by asking for it on the first day of each loop ("What did I learn during the last time loop?"). Essentially, he gains #5's power in proxy by giving up the first question of each loop for it.
GHG can discover who you are because of the hints in the year before but he can not find you.
this is VERY important, he can discover who you are, but every one of them have like 7h to hide before the GHG starts looking for you, and once they hide, the only way to find them is using the Omni guy power, but even him, can only know where the guy is one time only (he can't repeat the question).
for example DN guy leaves his house, walks for 1 h, sits and disguises himself as a beggar.
even knowing who the DN guy is, GHG will never find him.
What if the teleporter is given to a guy who has short term memory and can't remember where he was beforehand? What if the deathnote ability is given to random person with no arms? What if the GH ability is given to a person who doesn't like Bill Murray and has no sense of humor?
All in all I choose the teleporter. He/she is the most equipped for combat given these are all normal funcitoning people.
Wait, what if OP is one of them and trying to find out a way to win? Maybe other 4 guys need to contact Team Liquid and find out his IP address and what not.
Groundhog day guys wins, You can't die in the time loop and he has those 3 days forever. Though he would be looped to kill them every 3 days for the rest of eternity of not kill them. Either way he technically would win at least once.
Teleport guy has plenty of offensive ability. Teleport to location of another guy, unleash bio/nuclear weapon and port out again. Teleport guy also has the easiest way to make money (port into vaults and steal valuable things).
You could lay a trap to Uncover Omni. Teleport into secure facilities to gather the materials for a nuke. Teleport to hidden spot in urban area and set up cameras. Next day, Inform the world via media outlets that you have hidden a nuke in an urban area. Wait to see who shows up to disarm the nuke (see them on camera), port in, kill him, disarm nuke and port out.
To catch time stop guy you want to steal a super fast acting, deadly but curable virus. Anyone who isnt cured within 5 hours will die. Since this is fiction lets say you steal such a thing from a government. Go all moonraker and deploy virus globally through the use of satellites. Time stop guy dies.
Groundhog guy will probably just go insane and top himself.
Locating deathnote guy would be tricky. Go public, let him come to you. You would need to change your identity to avoid him learning your real name. I suggest a Face Off style approach with some guy from an asylum. He only has a year so he will come for your real name at some point. When he arrives, teleport yourself directly into his testicles.
We won't get anywhere discussing like this. There will always be a flaw in a strategy, that can be used, but might not be. We need to actually play the solutions, and see who wins. Are there people who want to try this ? We need some referee (dungeon master ? ^^) and 5 players, who will describe what they do to the referee, and the referee will have to decide what works, and what the others can detect.
On October 03 2012 07:18 hzflank wrote: Teleport guy has plenty of offensive ability. Teleport to location of another guy, unleash bio/nuclear weapon and port out again. Teleport guy also has the easiest way to make money (port into vaults and steal valuable things).
You could lay a trap to Uncover Omni. Teleport into secure facilities to gather the materials for a nuke. Teleport to hidden spot in urban area and set up cameras. Next day, Inform the world via media outlets that you have hidden a nuke in an urban area. Wait to see who shows up to disarm the nuke (see them on camera), port in, kill him, disarm nuke and port out.
To catch time stop guy you want to steal a super fast acting, deadly but curable virus. Anyone who isnt cured within 5 hours will die. Since this is fiction lets say you steal such a thing from a government. Go all moonraker and deploy virus globally through the use of satellites. Time stop guy dies.
Groundhog guy will probably just go insane and top himself.
Locating deathnote guy would be tricky. Go public, let him come to you. You would need to change your identity to avoid him learning your real name. I suggest a Face Off style approach with some guy from an asylum. He only has a year so he will come for your real name at some point. When he arrives, teleport yourself directly into his testicles.
This assumes the death note guy hasn't watched the death note anime. In the anime, Kira made the mistake of underestimating the intelligence of his opposition, so he left way too many clues. If he had accounted for L right at the start, he would likely not have been discovered. You have to assume that in our game, #3 would be more careful, after all, he does not even have to kill anyone (and show himself) according to the rules.
Also, are we certain that teleport guy can take along treasures with him? It's still dangerous, because there could be cameras at various places or he could get in trouble when trying to sell the stuff he took.
This is an insult to the word "discussion". Set rules properly and make it clear. Under the conditions that were stated so far you can't determine who will win.
If they have guns - this guy wins, if swords - that guy wins. If A, than B etc. etc. etc. Poitless. This has no potential for any discussion other than low level sophistic squabbles.
On October 03 2012 07:18 hzflank wrote: You could lay a trap to Uncover Omni. Teleport into secure facilities to gather the materials for a nuke. Teleport to hidden spot in urban area and set up cameras. Next day, Inform the world via media outlets that you have hidden a nuke in an urban area. Wait to see who shows up to disarm the nuke (see them on camera), port in, kill him, disarm nuke and port out.
Theres this thing called an anonymous tip bro. Seems to me Omni guy has this in the bag, use his power to find the death note, then its gg. Assuming none of the competitors are stupid enough to appear on TV with their name saying "look i got magic powers!" DN guy cant do much alone. Teleport has plenty of offensive/defensive utility, same as time stop, but how do either of them locate the others? And i have no fucking clue what the deal with GHG is, that shit just confused me
On October 03 2012 07:25 Asmodeusx wrote: This is an insult to the word "discussion". Set rules properly and make it clear. Under the conditions that were stated so far you can't determine who will win.
If they have guns - this guy wins, if swords - that guy wins. If A, than B etc. etc. etc. Poitless. This has no potential for any discussion other than low level sophistic squabbles.
Yeah, it depends too much on who can identify who. I think according to the OP's story, they all left clues, which gives #5 a tremendous advantage in tracking them down, since he has almost unlimited time to follow up on leads. Or it would favor #4, who has the same power as #5 if he phrases his questions correctly. #3 could win if he starts randomly writing names of people that win lotteries in the death book, but this assumes #4/5 are stupid. #1 could win if #4/5 are stupid enough to engage in direct confrontation instead of sending waves of assassins.
On October 03 2012 07:03 norsK wrote: Groundhog guy wins almost surely IF he chooses the right 3 days to repeat. If all of the heroes are convinced to come to the same place (via deathnote propaganda or omniman), He could easily orchestrate them all killing each other as he rides in to the sunset. Unlike the other heroes, his ability is much more than a 1 time per day effect. As long as he plans for the first 362 days of the year and does not die first...
being that they know of each others powers, do you guys think they would form allies?
Death Note + Omni is basically unbeatable combo once alliance is formed. But it is a very risky alliance for both, so probably it won't happen.
I agree, and GHG would benefit from their demise.
Please someone make a meme of GHG on the final day after his years of planning.
On October 03 2012 06:16 rpgalon wrote: why people are thinking that the Omni has also unlimited power? if he falls from a plane and asks: how do I survive? does the voice say: you create wings!
if he is against a guy with a gun and asks how I kill him, the voice will say: you dodge the bullets and break his neck...
he is not that powerfull like everyone is making him out to be.
I still think the DN guy got this... he can control everyone he knows the name and saw the face for 23 days. and is the only one that does not need.
also, you need to know who you are looking for them you start looking where is he/she
the DN guy does not need to know where are you, once he discover who you are, you are dead.
It is impossible for the Death Note guy to win on days 1-3. This is purely because any scenario where he wins on days 1-3 will be reset because of how GHG's power works.
What's more, because he can't gain knowledge across time loops the way #4 and #5 can, he will be executing the SAME plan 12000 times. Which means that after the first few, #4 and #5 will be able to elude any kill attempts made by #3 against them on the first 3 days. They then kill him during day 2 of the last cycle.
Essentially, the only way for Death Note to win is if both #4 and #5 are so stupid that they cannot evade death on days 1-3 even with 12000 retries. As soon as either finds a scenario where they can avoid death on days 1-3, #3 is dead because the remaining time loops can be used to devise a way to kill him.
The only way for anyone other than #4 to win is for #5 not to use or waste his power (e.g. #5 suicides right at the beginning of every cycle). Because if #5's power activates, #4 gets immeasurable benefit from it by being able to learn what he knew before by asking for it on the first day of each loop ("What did I learn during the last time loop?"). Essentially, he gains #5's power in proxy by giving up the first question of each loop for it.
In order for #4 to use this proxy he needs to ask that question at least once every three days. Everyday in order ensure that he benefits from the full 3day loop, but that isn't reasonable, or is it?
Since there are a lot of variables in this situation, i'm just going to focus on #4 and 5 because i think that they have the highest potential early on. Since #5 is the only person who could drastically hurt #4, #4's first question should deal with #5's plan. At this point #4 has a risk to take. He needs to correctly guess when #5 will start his time loop. He has the option of making his day one question, "what did I learn in the last time loop?".
-If #5 hasn't started his time loop, #4 will now be aware of that, however his day1 question will have no other use.
-If #5 did start his time loop, #4 will have hit the jackpot. He will now benefit from all three days in the loop, AND two additional questions every single loop. I see this as a sure win.
#5 will assume that #4 knows this, and make his choices accordingly. Both players know that #4 can ask the proxy question on the second day and then every other day to ensure that he has at least a 2day time loop with 1 additional question. This seems like it is still an advantage over #5. Because of this, it seems like #5 will lose if he starts his loop on the first or second day, assuming #4 asks the proxy question every other day.
If number #4 can afford to ask the proxy question every other day and still beat the other 3 with only 1 real question every other day, then he is sure to win. However, that's a big if.
Because this game would be impossible to predict without making some assumptions, im going to make a few. I'm going to assume that #5 doesn't use his time loop because he believes that the chance of #4 using his proxy question every other day too high a probability. Im also going to assume that #4 asks his proxy question every other day because he sees the potential reward greater then the lack of being able to ask a real question every single day.
With these two assumptions in place, #5's only option to win is to attempt to create an alliance with #1, 2, or 3.
That's all im gonna right for now . This is just a very basic consideration of two players, so i imagine you could discus this for a very long time.
edit: #5 actually has a loophole to this line of thought. If he commits suicide at the end of the first day that he starts his time loop, #4's tactic will reduce quite considerably because by asking every other day he only has a 50% chance of entering the loop, and then he still doesn't get to ask any other questions during the loop.
On October 03 2012 05:48 FeUerFlieGe wrote: Guy 4. Tell the world about his power and prove it is real. Then the US will take him in to force him to find the answer to their questions. He says he will obey them so long as the CIA find and kill the other 4 and bring him the bodies. With a world Super power at his heels, nothing can stop him.
Tell the world about his power? Good idea apart from he'd be instantly in the death note book and have a guy teleport behind him with a knife.
Voice in my Head guy, and honestly only groundhog has a chance if he can repeat days after he days in which he has, dies, its a little unclear in the post are you saying that he has to die 365 times or however many it takes for his year to be up, If so he may stand a chance, but i still like the omniscient voice guys chance as he could just ask each day how can i counter what groundhog is doing today and kill him, seeing as on each day groundhog has no special abilities he should never be able to outsmart the omniscient guy because the voice in his head knows what he is going to do, It comes down to the word omniscient it means all knowing, that's everything past future present, or at least that's how i read it, with such power as long as he asks the right questions he has the best chance of defeating groundhog, the others are weak against the all-knowing guy as well because he can find out on the first day how to defeat them all. honestly its a moot point the voice would not say "you cannot win this" because there there is a way to win, my reasoning for this is that none of them have powers that make them safe against any possible attack, as he said in the post they all have a weak spot and the Voice guy can find any weakness if it exists. Example voice says get a gun teleport guy will teleport to this location at this time shoot the gun precicely at this time and the bullet will peirce his heart just as he materializes. As long as the questions are safe enough voice guy wins it.
Possible question, How can i survive for a week, that gives him 7 questions for free and to be honest it wouldn't be that hard to survive for a week all you need to do is avoid anyone and get to a far remote location, i don't care how many days GHD can repeat he still won't be able to locate an unknown person who is hidden in an underground bunker at an unknown location so with the "free" questions he now has he can plan out a way to kill all the rest at his leisure. Voice guy now has all the information about his opponents their abilities and there respective weak points.
+ Omni guy is certainly the biggest target. He has the strongest, most reliable way of identifying others. Whether the others chose to leave him alive to identify others/kill them off for their own good is debatable. Personally, I'd hunt him down first because of the fear he is using his first few days of intel to kill me.
+ If Omni guy knows this, he has to be super smart to stay alive because he needs to use SOME of his questions defensively. He doesn't know if he is about to be teleported on top of and assassinated or if he has left a clue that Death Note guy might have found.
+Death Note guy's power increases exponentially if he gets the first kill. He can brainwash another superhuman for 23 days, enough time to get a serious leg up on the survivors.
+GHG guy can hide in a hole in the ground, pray someone takes out Omni and activate his GHG 3 days before the end. That would pretty much be insta-win for him. This also works with the idea his power 'could' be the hardest to trace, assuming he didn't do something really suspicious in his training because once the loop starts, he has attempts to hide his own trace if gets discovered.
+Whoever gets the leg up on a target is almost guaranteed a kill except GHG, that, to me, makes him the least 'focusable'. His intel, whilst much more expansive and detailed, is based on a time loop that is subject to chance, plus, he is one of the few that has to 'manually' kill which is much more dangerous considering teleporter's and freeze time's fighting abilities.
On October 03 2012 05:55 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: For Guy 4, EVERYTHING depends on what his 3 questions are going to be. He's going to make it or break it with those questions. The only real threat is if he dies too early on during every time loop.
Guy 5 is the favorite. He has so many "tries", he's going to be almost impossible to beat, unless he dies extremely early on. Even worse, he learns from every encounter, gaining the most vital resource in this battle: intelligence.
You haven't been following the discussion. So long as Guy 4's first question is "What did I learn during the last time loop?", he can hold onto knowledge on successive loops because the voice will answer that question (it's not a how or why question and it has an objective definitive answer, so there are no loopholes that the omniscient voice can game him out of). He then uses his day 2 and 3 questions on each loop to learn new things. He gets ~25000 questions over Guy 5's successive loops--that's well more than enough to evade Guy 5 in each cycle until Guy 5 is out of retries, at which point he uses his accumulated knowledge/asks the omniscient voice how to kill Guy 5.
On October 03 2012 05:55 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Guy 1 is like the Russian roulette of the group. Every 3 day "cycle" that Guy 5 creates, Guy 1 has a 5 hour window to win everything or at least do insurmountable damage. The odds may not favor him, but he has a lot of tries and a small chance each time, so he's perhaps the biggest one to worry about(key word being worry. He isn't favored, but he IS something that's going to make people nervous each and every round), unless he makes some conservative decisions about when to use his power (i.e. save it for when he needs it, or decides to use it 4 days later or some shit).
Actually, only the last cycle matters. Any cycle in which Guy 5 dies is instantly reset, so the only way to do "lasting" damage is for it to happen on or after the last cycle.
You can essentially simplify Guy 5's superpower to "he gets 100 years worth of planning and research". But through Guy 4 taking advantage of the time looping in Guy 5's superpower, Guy 4 gets 100 years worth of planning, AND the omniscient answer to ~25000 questions IN ADDITION to that.
First of all, I am aware he could ask what he learned in the previous cycle. I was not following the discussion, but I am aware of this possibility. Unfortunately, what precisely he gains from that depends on his first question. His first question NEEDS to be "What are their powers?". If he does not ask that question, if he instead, in the most likely scenario, asks something along the lines of "How do I kill them?" that functions as the one question that he thinks will give him the win by itself, he will not have the ability to gain anything from asking the question you mentioned. For your theory to work, he needs for his first question to be a question that will prompt his second question to be "What did I learn last cycle?" If it is his third question, he will not be able to gain anything from asking it. Therefore, he will need to plan his first question around follow-up questions, as opposed to one question that will win him godhood. That is unlikely, at least in my opinion. Most problems that he had in his year of training should have been solvable with one question, so he is most likely in the mentality of thinking of one question to ask, as opposed to several over a period of days. Also, temptation. Easy, quick wins are so tempting, especially when his power practically begs to be used for that purpose. With his 24 hour prediction limit and the ability to be used once a day, quick, daily wins are a really effective way to use it. So, his victory relies on which questions he asks, and his first question may be the most important of all. It all depends on what decision he makes based on his extremely limited information.
As for your second point about all damage not being lasting until Guy 5's power ends, I interpreted this
If GHG gets himself killed and there is a clear winner before the 12175 cycles are over.. i dunno.. It is fairly safe to say it's impossible for there to be a winner THIS quickly (if someone comes up with a strat. let me know
as saying that if there was a clear winner before the cycle ends, that guy is the winner and no reset happens. If it was stated otherwise somewhere, I haven't noticed it. I thought all updates were going into the OP.
So, Guy 5 has a 100% chance for his power to be effective, whereas Guy 4's success depends on his decision making based on prior experience and limited info. Personally, I think he would use and abuse his powers for quick, easy wins for his first year and have that tactic fail him for the first and last time against Guy 5's Groundhog Day. Maybe he would think of one question to rule them all, though, but that is unlikely. With no other powers, the odds don't favor him and the others killing enough guys in 3 days for him to win. It is, of course, open to debate what Guy 4's prior experiences were, and thus what his questions would be, so that part is entirely open to debate. He is also perhaps the most visible, and thus, the most susceptible to the death note power. The success his power gives him is going to make him EXTREMELY visible. Odds are, he won't even get 3 questions before Death Note has his guy. Can you imagine the internet headlines? "The awesomest guy in the world! 5 lottery wins, cancer cure, laws of physics completely fished out, entropy stopped, and a host of other awesome shit!" For my theory at least, Guy 5 has the greatest odds for success. Not certainly going to win, of course, but the odds are on his side. Guy 4 has a lot of stuff and potential for more stuff hurting the odds of his success going in. Guy 5's success is dependent on Guy 4's failure, and Guy 4 has too much in his way for him to have an above 50% chance of success.
I'd guess it's a race between guy 1 becoming too powerful to stop and guy 5 finding him and figuring out how to kill him in time. I'd go with guy 1 I think he would become too powerful too quickly. If you were clever you could become incredibly rich in the first day.
I don't think guy 4 could win because he wouldn't be able to ask his questions properly.
Also you should have explained how this situation is explained to all 5 people. Do they know they are fighting to the death? Do they know the other powers?
Why doesnt the deathnote guy just win, due to the fact when he kills people he doesnt get screwed over by the police. The timestop guy can probaby do it, but would cameras still be running? than theres prints even if hes not seen, the teleport guy probaby "kill a guy with no way in" and get back out but than again prints and how he actually does it. Knife gun once again things can lead back to you.
Not to mention i dont see why the deathnote guy couldnt just play it like light and hold the world hostage, and he bascically them to control. But this is also based on how smart each of them are.
U have to find out who each are right? even than the only people who have good ways to kill each other are deathnote,tele, timestop. Where u wouldnt have to deal with who ur trying to kill fighting back. Tho the tele maybe shouldnt be include becasue the best thing i can think of is tele behind them, stab or shoot them. All others have to do it normal way, which kinda really sucks for them. Also the deathnote is one with the least restrictions. U have continuous use of it. Unlike timestop once a week, lets say u used time stop to find one guy(only to find him) now he cant use timestop to kill for a week, and with the others abilities he might not last 1 week with nothing in his hands.
Also u need to move around to find each other, where the teleporter only has good movement, and the deathnote which doesnt really need to move, once again take the world hostage. Question guy might be able to get a ton of information on the others, but he has no means of special transport, and no easy way of killing them. (but he might have good chances of killing people with questions like "what is the full name of one of the contestants, what is his current adress/home of residence, Will he be home on DD/MM/YYYY once thats done, pay for someone to kill him. but u run into the problem of finding people who will kill for money, i certainly dont know any) But bascially this guy is the random varible he has a way to try contract killers (with questions) and who everyone is what their powers are, which should be first few questions asking about everyone. Also while the groundhog day guy can live multiple days, he cant stop the deathnote if it finds him, and he'll die so many times to a contract killer, if he avoids death on a certain day but running away, the day might not end and he'll die another way, its pretty hard to dogde a bullet. So he will be screwed over pretty easily. For the time stop guy u need to two contracts, why? because he might avoid the 1st with a timestop, but than hes screwed for the second. Teleport guy again same thing, 2 people screwed again.
How are u paying to kill them? U have questions right? So maybe some stocks, a bit of gambling, win a tiny bit of the lottery, if u win too much u might get noticed, and as the deathnote guy u might spend a day killing all the people who have won stuff(with "luck") just to be safe they arent using their powers as an advantage. Sure the rest could hire people as well, but they no names, no locations to send them without the question power. So the order in which the question guy proceeds is the most imporant, because he basically has a clock on everyone. No one else knows his power, so they have no idea that need to target him first. So i'm saying all but Deathnote and question man are useless. Deathnote migth get lucky and fuck question man up, if he trys to win big. But if the deathnote ever feels in danger he would just start killing massives of people with them leaving notes like gods wrath, and cause a lot of chaos everyone is dying and the rest are scared shitless except for question guy who would know wtf is going on, and if he can convice a contract killer about the other guys deathnote abilites and how the contract killer will be safe as long as the deathnote guy doesnt know his name. He might do it, also give the fact u become god after all this u could promise the guy a ton of money AND something with ur godly powers. To prevent he from turning on u for some random reason.
So i guess i change my answer maybe the question guy will win, but it depends but he sure can do a lot of planning, during the first week while he's collecting information, he could spend the whole day writting possible questions and which to ask first. My order would be to focus on killing deathnote guy first hes the one who can kill u without u fighting b, apart from the timestop guy, but he has so much trouble finding people, and moving around i say he's pretty much fucked. Teleport guy has no information on anyone, pretty much fucked as well. (especailly how question guy can tell where is, and with an added question of will he have already have used his power on that day? u can find when hes most vulnerable. U might want to go after groundhog 2nd and just put him into a fucked postion of repeating being hunted all day and then all u have to do is send 5 killers to try and kill him on different days, and u can confirm if he's started the groundhog day, and when it ends, which shouldnt take long seeing how u are unaffected by the time change, the best way for the groudhog guy to get out is to find some way to beat the killer, capture him, torture him for information till the contract killer tells him where u live, then gets on a plane and kills u in ur house, and all u have to do during once ground hog starts is move and live with an aunt for a week. This is assuming that groundhog finds a way to capture the contract killer, torture him, get on plane and get to ur place all with avoiding or killing the other contract killers.
Which is all pretty unlikey even with his power, if they use a sniper rifle to kill u, ur going to be spending a lot of days going okay i died here last time u stop to think BAM ur dead again okay, u go to that place early to check out where he could be hiding, bam ur fucked again he's been following u and u deviated off course in a vulnerable postion. Because if the groundhog day is changing his movement so does the contract killer which makes its soo hard espically if the question man tells the contract killer to only kill from far away. Plus there are 3 more other days more contract killers are coming, ur bascially over spent with ur ability and screwed. 3 days repeat but theres 4th killer coming on the forthday, once u get out of the loops ur fucked. So basically i guess question man wins? by having the means to get what he wants. Groundhog he spending his time not dying, he cant even kill the others, by some chance he kills the question guy even with all the contract killers he has nothing left to kill the others. So i think question guy wins, but its all imo
edit: im assume they dont know each others powers, names etc only there are 4 others who have powers and are trying to kill them, they dont even know if the others have their own power or if its different. So only the question guy will be willing to get the information. What travis said with getting rich really fast? how by robbing banks that kinda of stuff? u have 1 day per week to use that and once u have all that money u have no idea how to find the others and u would be spending alot of time hiding from the police encase u were caught, as the deathnote guy u would be targetting people who are getting rich and being published in some way (robbing banks getting caught name into the paper, get out with timestop) doesnt help u if u die to the deathnote guy who could get information by sending letters to the police killing a newsreporter, and killing the head of police if he doesnt provide information to him he, his wife, children will all die. (even if the deathnote guy doesnt know their names and cant kill them, the police guy doesnt know that.)
Also theres a big part if u know who the others are, and if they have died, thats why as the question guy u force ground hog day to spend his powers early on living through the assassins. Also people saying question guy would stand out by find cure to cancer etc...wtf why would he bother with all that, his goal is to kill the others once hes god nothing else matters.
Why doesnt the deathnote guy just win, due to the fact when he kills people he doesnt get screwed over by the police. The timestop guy can probaby do it, but would cameras still be running? than theres prints even if hes not seen, the teleport guy probaby "kill a guy with no way in" and get back out but than again prints and how he actually does it. Knife gun once again things can lead back to you. Not to mention i dont see why the deathnote guy couldnt just play it like light and hold the world hostage, and he bascically them to control. But this is also based on how smart each of them are. U have to find out who each are right? even than the only people who have good ways to kill each other are deathnote,tele, timestop. Where u wouldnt have to deal with who ur trying to kill fighting back. Tho the tele maybe shouldnt be include becasue the best thing i can think of is tele behind them, stab or shot them. All others have to do it normal way, which kinda really sucks for them. Also the deathnote is one with the least restrictions. U have continuous use of it. Unlike timestop once a week, lets say u used time stop to find one guy(only to find him) now he cant use timestop to kill for a week, and with the others abilities he might not last 1 week with nothing in his hands. Also u need to move around to find each other, where the teleporter only has good movement, and the deathnote which doesnt really need to move, once again take the world hostage. Question guy might be able to get a ton of information on the others, but he has no means of special transport, and no easy way of killing them. (but he might have good chances of killing people with questions like "what is the full name of one of the contestants, what is his current adress/home of residence, Will he be home on DD/MM/YYYY once thats done, pay for someone to kill him. but u run into the problem of finding people who will kill for money, i certainly dont know any) But bascially this guy is the random varible he has a way to try contract killers (with questions) and who everyone is what their powers are, which should be first few questions asking about everyone. Also while the groundhog day guy can live multiple days, he cant stop the deathnote if it finds him, and he'll die so many times to a contract killer, if he avoids death on a certain day but running away, the day might not end and he'll die another way, its pretty hard to dogde a bullet. So he will be screwed over pretty easily. For the time stop guy u need to two contracts, why? because he might avoid the 1st with a timestop, but than hes screwed for the second. Teleport guy again same thing, 2 people screwed again. How are u paying to kill them? U have questions right? So maybe some stocks, a bit of gambling, win a tiny bit of the lottery, if u win too much u might get noticed, and as the deathnote guy u might spend a day killing all the people who have won stuff(with "luck") just to be safe they arent using their powers as an advantage. Sure the rest could hire people as well, but they no names, no locations to send them without the question power. So the order in which the question guy proceeds is the most imporant, because he basically has a clock on everyone. No one else knows his power, so they have no idea that need to target him first. So i'm saying all but Deathnote and question man are useless. Deathnote migth get lucky and fuck question man up, if he trys to win big. But if the deathnote ever feels in danger he would just start killing massives of people with them leaving notes like gods wrath, and cause a lot of chaos everyone is dying and the rest are scared shitless except for question guy who would know wtf is going on, and if he can convice a contract killer about the other guys deathnote abilites and how the contract killer will be safe as long as the deathnote guy doesnt know his name. He might do it, also give the fact u become god after all this u could promise the guy a ton of money AND something with ur godly powers. To prevent he from turning on u for some random reason. So i guess i change my answer maybe the question guy will win, but it depends but he sure can do a lot of planning, during the first week while he's collecting information, he could spend the whole day writting possible questions and which to ask first. My order would be to focus on killing deathnote guy first hes the one who can kill u without u fighting b, apart from the timestop guy, but he has so much trouble finding people, and moving around i say he's pretty much fucked. Teleport guy has no information on anyone, pretty much fucked as well. (especailly how question guy can tell where is, and with an added question of will he have already have used his power on that day? u can find when hes most vulnerable. U might want to go after groundhog 2nd and just put him into a fucked postion of repeating being hunted all day and then all u have to do is send 5 killers to try and kill him on different days, and u can confirm if he's started the groundhog day, and when it ends, which shouldnt take long seeing how u are unaffected by the time change, the best way for the groudhog guy to get out is to find some way to beat the killer, capture him, torture him for information till the contract killer tells him where u live, then gets on a plane and kills u in ur house, and all u have to do during once ground hog starts is move and live with an aunt for a week. This is assuming that groundhog finds a way to capture the contract killer, torture him, get on plane and get to ur place all with avoiding or killing the other contract killers. Which is all pretty unlikey even with his power, if they use a sniper rifle to kill u, ur going to be spending a lot of days going okay i died here last time u stop to think BAM ur dead again okay, u go to that place early to check out where he could be hiding, bam ur fucked again he's been following u and u deviated off course in a vulnerable postion. Because if the groundhog day is changing his movement so does the contract killer which makes its soo hard espically if the question man tells the contract killer to only kill from far away. Plus there are 3 more other days more contract killers are coming, ur bascially over spent with ur ability and screwed. 3 days repeat but theres 4th killer coming on the forthday, once u get out of the loops ur fucked. So basically i guess question man wins? by having the means to get what he wants. Groundhog he spending his time not dying, he cant even kill the others, by some chance he kills the question guy even with all the contract killers he has nothing left to kill the others. So i think question guy wins, but its all imo edit: im assume they dont know each others powers, names etc only there are 4 others who have powers and are trying to kill them, they dont even know if the others have their own power or if its different. So only the question guy will be willing to get the information. What travis said with getting rich really fast? how by robbing banks that kinda of stuff? u have 1 day per week to use that and once u have all that money u have no idea how to find the others and u would be spending alot of time hiding from the police encase u were caught, as the deathnote guy u would be targetting people who are getting rich and being published in some way (robbing banks getting caught name into the paper, get out with timestop) doesnt help u if u die to the deathnote guy who could get information by sending letters to the police killing a newsreporter, and killing the head of police if he doesnt provide information to him he, his wife, children will all die. (even if the deathnote guy doesnt know their names and cant kill them, the police guy doesnt know that.)
I love how you started the wall of text with "Why not #3 guy win?" and end with "#4 guy wins" in your conclusion.
Why doesnt the deathnote guy just win, due to the fact when he kills people he doesnt get screwed over by the police. The timestop guy can probaby do it, but would cameras still be running? than theres prints even if hes not seen, the teleport guy probaby "kill a guy with no way in" and get back out but than again prints and how he actually does it. Knife gun once again things can lead back to you. Not to mention i dont see why the deathnote guy couldnt just play it like light and hold the world hostage, and he bascically them to control. But this is also based on how smart each of them are. U have to find out who each are right? even than the only people who have good ways to kill each other are deathnote,tele, timestop. Where u wouldnt have to deal with who ur trying to kill fighting back. Tho the tele maybe shouldnt be include becasue the best thing i can think of is tele behind them, stab or shot them. All others have to do it normal way, which kinda really sucks for them. Also the deathnote is one with the least restrictions. U have continuous use of it. Unlike timestop once a week, lets say u used time stop to find one guy(only to find him) now he cant use timestop to kill for a week, and with the others abilities he might not last 1 week with nothing in his hands. Also u need to move around to find each other, where the teleporter only has good movement, and the deathnote which doesnt really need to move, once again take the world hostage. Question guy might be able to get a ton of information on the others, but he has no means of special transport, and no easy way of killing them. (but he might have good chances of killing people with questions like "what is the full name of one of the contestants, what is his current adress/home of residence, Will he be home on DD/MM/YYYY once thats done, pay for someone to kill him. but u run into the problem of finding people who will kill for money, i certainly dont know any) But bascially this guy is the random varible he has a way to try contract killers (with questions) and who everyone is what their powers are, which should be first few questions asking about everyone. Also while the groundhog day guy can live multiple days, he cant stop the deathnote if it finds him, and he'll die so many times to a contract killer, if he avoids death on a certain day but running away, the day might not end and he'll die another way, its pretty hard to dogde a bullet. So he will be screwed over pretty easily. For the time stop guy u need to two contracts, why? because he might avoid the 1st with a timestop, but than hes screwed for the second. Teleport guy again same thing, 2 people screwed again. How are u paying to kill them? U have questions right? So maybe some stocks, a bit of gambling, win a tiny bit of the lottery, if u win too much u might get noticed, and as the deathnote guy u might spend a day killing all the people who have won stuff(with "luck") just to be safe they arent using their powers as an advantage. Sure the rest could hire people as well, but they no names, no locations to send them without the question power. So the order in which the question guy proceeds is the most imporant, because he basically has a clock on everyone. No one else knows his power, so they have no idea that need to target him first. So i'm saying all but Deathnote and question man are useless. Deathnote migth get lucky and fuck question man up, if he trys to win big. But if the deathnote ever feels in danger he would just start killing massives of people with them leaving notes like gods wrath, and cause a lot of chaos everyone is dying and the rest are scared shitless except for question guy who would know wtf is going on, and if he can convice a contract killer about the other guys deathnote abilites and how the contract killer will be safe as long as the deathnote guy doesnt know his name. He might do it, also give the fact u become god after all this u could promise the guy a ton of money AND something with ur godly powers. To prevent he from turning on u for some random reason. So i guess i change my answer maybe the question guy will win, but it depends but he sure can do a lot of planning, during the first week while he's collecting information, he could spend the whole day writting possible questions and which to ask first. My order would be to focus on killing deathnote guy first hes the one who can kill u without u fighting b, apart from the timestop guy, but he has so much trouble finding people, and moving around i say he's pretty much fucked. Teleport guy has no information on anyone, pretty much fucked as well. (especailly how question guy can tell where is, and with an added question of will he have already have used his power on that day? u can find when hes most vulnerable. U might want to go after groundhog 2nd and just put him into a fucked postion of repeating being hunted all day and then all u have to do is send 5 killers to try and kill him on different days, and u can confirm if he's started the groundhog day, and when it ends, which shouldnt take long seeing how u are unaffected by the time change, the best way for the groudhog guy to get out is to find some way to beat the killer, capture him, torture him for information till the contract killer tells him where u live, then gets on a plane and kills u in ur house, and all u have to do during once ground hog starts is move and live with an aunt for a week. This is assuming that groundhog finds a way to capture the contract killer, torture him, get on plane and get to ur place all with avoiding or killing the other contract killers. Which is all pretty unlikey even with his power, if they use a sniper rifle to kill u, ur going to be spending a lot of days going okay i died here last time u stop to think BAM ur dead again okay, u go to that place early to check out where he could be hiding, bam ur fucked again he's been following u and u deviated off course in a vulnerable postion. Because if the groundhog day is changing his movement so does the contract killer which makes its soo hard espically if the question man tells the contract killer to only kill from far away. Plus there are 3 more other days more contract killers are coming, ur bascially over spent with ur ability and screwed. 3 days repeat but theres 4th killer coming on the forthday, once u get out of the loops ur fucked. So basically i guess question man wins? by having the means to get what he wants. Groundhog he spending his time not dying, he cant even kill the others, by some chance he kills the question guy even with all the contract killers he has nothing left to kill the others. So i think question guy wins, but its all imo edit: im assume they dont know each others powers, names etc only there are 4 others who have powers and are trying to kill them, they dont even know if the others have their own power or if its different. So only the question guy will be willing to get the information. What travis said with getting rich really fast? how by robbing banks that kinda of stuff? u have 1 day per week to use that and once u have all that money u have no idea how to find the others and u would be spending alot of time hiding from the police encase u were caught, as the deathnote guy u would be targetting people who are getting rich and being published in some way (robbing banks getting caught name into the paper, get out with timestop) doesnt help u if u die to the deathnote guy who could get information by sending letters to the police killing a newsreporter, and killing the head of police if he doesnt provide information to him he, his wife, children will all die. (even if the deathnote guy doesnt know their names and cant kill them, the police guy doesnt know that.)
I love how you started the wall of text with "Why not #3 guy win?" and end with "#4 guy wins" in your conclusion.
yes lol i spaced out the wall of text sry about that everyone who read it before then
Omni:Im wondering what happens if Omni asks "How does the list of 364 questions read that will result in me winning this competition given my competency and desire to undertake this challenge?" If the answer is non existant, GG. If the answer exists, he has 1 day to die on, before the "super-list" kicks in and he wins.
Teleport:Im wondering if Teleport guy could: 1. Make a crap ton of money. (stealing by teleporting) 2. Infiltrate/Buy off intelligence agencies (if possible). 3. Make "Home Base" - an extremely secure facility with loads of weapons, etc etc etc.
(an alternate is to make a secondary home base that if Base 1 is approached, He can teleport to Base 2, and remotely operate explosives/weapons that will kill the invaders of Base 1.)
4. Use intellegence agencies' real-time data, (IE only teleporting when one of the other players is physically on camera) teleport to that location, and shooting them dead in .5s then teleporting back to "home base" 5. Use money to pay hitman/other people to flush out other players if possible. 6 Rinse and repeat 7. ???? 8. Profit.
Insta-Teleport and Shoot technique should be able to kill Deathnote Guy and Time Freeze Guy.
I read as much as I can on GHG but I truly don't understand the extent of his power.
GHG:Does he elect which 3 day peroid will be the infinitely repeating set of days? Because if that is the case, once he advances far enough into the year and establishes a few sets of clues his power becomes exponentially better. Eg, Day 27, He knows enough about his opponents, and has picked a day in which he can win the lottery or similar event, he may be able to kill all people in the 3 day span. However, If he waits longer than like 4? 10? days, OmniGuy will kill him, probibally first. So his ability doesn't seem like the best one.
Deathnote: Great power, but he needs a face and a name. I suppose he can approach Obama (or equally powerful figure), demonstrate his power, and force co-operation (assuming Obama isn't incredibly noble), and gain access to intelligence agency. In addition, if global news arises of any popular incredibly wealthy start-ups or lottery winners, he can just elect to kill them if their picture and true name are known. Thats assuming he has no limit to how many names he can write in the book he could do some work on the earth that may destabilize it enough to harm the other players chances at winning.
Time Freeze: Time freeze should be able to get rich by many different means. IE watch a Armored Truck unloading money, Freeze... Wealth. Or I am sure there are many other creative ways of amassing money with 5 hr freeze. Then He should be able to A) Buy off intelligence agency, B) Use Freeze time to get into an intelligence agency, use resources. Hire Hitmen.
This gives him a decent shot at killing the others.
On October 03 2012 07:18 hzflank wrote: Teleport guy has plenty of offensive ability. Teleport to location of another guy, unleash bio/nuclear weapon and port out again. Teleport guy also has the easiest way to make money (port into vaults and steal valuable things).
You could lay a trap to Uncover Omni. Teleport into secure facilities to gather the materials for a nuke. Teleport to hidden spot in urban area and set up cameras. Next day, Inform the world via media outlets that you have hidden a nuke in an urban area. Wait to see who shows up to disarm the nuke (see them on camera), port in, kill him, disarm nuke and port out.
To catch time stop guy you want to steal a super fast acting, deadly but curable virus. Anyone who isnt cured within 5 hours will die. Since this is fiction lets say you steal such a thing from a government. Go all moonraker and deploy virus globally through the use of satellites. Time stop guy dies.
Groundhog guy will probably just go insane and top himself.
Locating deathnote guy would be tricky. Go public, let him come to you. You would need to change your identity to avoid him learning your real name. I suggest a Face Off style approach with some guy from an asylum. He only has a year so he will come for your real name at some point. When he arrives, teleport yourself directly into his testicles.
I dont think setting off a nuke is easy to do, let alone know where nukes are being kept, how to control the nukes, its not like u pick it up tele than throw it at someone.
Well...once guy 4 figures the other's powers, just go after DN guy first. The only real problem is GHG. If you kill him while you're in his cycle, you're dead. So it's a bit of a crapshoot if you just decide to kill him. Best to do so using DN guy's book.
The only real problem with this is given the starting parameter that they get to "test" their powers for a year, it's likely that any random guy that gets this power will become immensely rich/popular during that period of time. If I were DN guy, I'd kill everyone who got rich/famous within a year just from this possibility. This goes also with teleport and freeze time guy.
The only one who might have an advantage would be GHG who wouldn't be able to test his powers during this time at all. Well, that is unless he used the GH power during that one year "test" period. Then he's fucked lol.
I think it depends more on the person that's given the power than the power itself. Given that "random" people are given the power and the 1 year "test" period, I go with DN guy as winning. People are generally going to flaunt their powers or use it to get rich quick. DN guy and GHG have the only real incentives to be clandestine regarding his powers.
I dunno, interesting problem...too bad I'm at work to post more though T.T
The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills.
GHDG can use a few thousand lives to find the identity of everyone, and more importantly, the first question Omni guy asks. That first question will determine the winner of the entire thing. He needs to phrase it in a way that it cannot backfire, and it will always lead to a victory. He needs to ask a question that kills GHDG guaranteed on the first day with absolutely no way for GHDG to escape
GHDG's basic strategy is to survive Day 1 at all costs and ally with DN guy. He has over 10k tries to do this
If Omni goes on the offensive and targets GHDG first turn, asking "How do I kill GHDG today?" GHDG knows what the question is and has over 10k tries to avoid day 1 death. If Omni has enough power to kill GHDG on Day 1 guaranteed with no way for GHDG to escape, then GHDG goes insane as others have mentioned
Otherwise, if GHDG can find a way to guarantee safety while allying with DN guy, Omni guy voice would answer "You can't kill GHDG" and Omni guy would die
If Omni guy asks "What did I learn last time loop?" the voice will answer "GHDG uses DN guy to kill you."
The issue is if DN guy is stupid enough to ally with GHDG or Omni guy. Maybe Omni voice tells him the perfect method of allying with DN guy before GHDG does, and is able to 100% kill GHDG every single loop with the DN
I really don't think that Omni guy asking "What did I learn last loop" to abuse GHDG is the winning strategy. The voice would just return "DN guy killed you" every single time. He'd have burned his question on finding out that DN killed him and would not be able to find out how to prevent that from happening. Omni's Day 1 question HAS to be completely offensive, and HAS to guarantee that GHDG dies and Omni lives
On October 03 2012 08:28 Orcasgt24 wrote: The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills.
what if someone sets him up (or by accident) that he will die exactly after the day is over? His Oracle thingy has only control over 24 hours. It will not prevent certain death after that period.
On October 03 2012 08:28 Orcasgt24 wrote: The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills.
He is omniscient, not omnipotent. If others discover his identity there might be no way to survive. Or perhaps the voice in his head will tell him: use a gun to protect yourself. i.e. it would give a 'best strategy', not a '100% strategy' to win.
I will rephrase my answer, if I was the omniscient guy i would win, If he is an idiot then yes he could loose by being dumb and wasting his question. the rest of my post is still relevant on page 13, lol what a silly thread. TLDR my first post
Voice guy asks what do i need to do to stay alive for a (week, month whatever) voice in his head tells him where he needs to go to not be killed most likely some hidden underground bunker stocked with food and how to get there he then has time to ask more questions to devise a plan to kill all the other opponents.
Some people are either not understanding correctly or overestimating GHD's ability he does not have infinite knowledge, if Voice guy simple avoids contact with anyone there is something like a one in a billion chance that he can be located, his opponents don't know who he is or where he is so they have no way to find him until he want to be found and if he is smart he will wait until he has a foolproof plan and probably until there are only one or 2 opponents left.
On October 03 2012 08:28 Orcasgt24 wrote: The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills.
He is omniscient, not omnipotent. If others discover his identity there might be no way to survive. Or perhaps the voice in his head will tell him: use a gun to protect yourself. i.e. it would give a 'best strategy', not a '100% strategy' to win.
You are assuming that the best way to stay alive requires some super power, it does not, he does not need to be all powerful if he is all knowing all he needs is to ask the right questions.
sorry about double post should have edited, my bad i will refrain from posting on this thread again...
Ar this point, I think more interesting discussion is "What would you ask as your first ,say, 10 questions if you were the #4 omni guy given the situation?" First several questions as omni guy is very crucial for his survival and outcome of the game. I am not so confident if I can come up with the very best question for the first day within 24 hours after the "dream."
If guy 4 is smart, he could win. He just needs to stay hidden and unknown. He could use his powers to become easily rich. Use it for gambling to make incredible profits and incredibly rich with the powers of truth. With the money he could easily disguise himself somehow, so the others never know who he is, but with his questions, each day he could ask details of the others. With his wealth he could hire hitmen to do the jobs for him, careful to not link any connections between each other. Also with hiring hitmen, he could use a question to ask if the kill will be successful or not. Make it clear to hitmen that it is a 24 hour job, if not attempted within 24 hours, call off the hit to be safe (because question only lasts 24 hours into future). If well planned, he could know what will succeed and what would fail, and not do anything that would plan to fail, so he will be undefeatable, unless he fucks up. Either way, if he stays hidden, the others will kill each other, and may only need to kill one. He will ofcourse be able to know which one is left through the questions. If he was an evil mothaf!@#er he could learn details of their families, and kidnap them. Luring the other superheroes into a trap, and being able to kill them. I wouldn't want someone like that to be a god though to be honest. haha
Edit: If he has been using his powers for a year already, he should be already incredibly rich.
On October 03 2012 08:35 MrF wrote: I will rephrase my answer, if I was the omniscient guy i would win, If he is an idiot then yes he could loose by being dumb and wasting his question. the rest of my post is still relevant on page 13, lol what a silly thread. TLDR my first post
Voice guy asks what do i need to do to stay alive for a (week, month whatever) voice in his head tells him where he needs to go to not be killed most likely some hidden underground bunker stocked with food and how to get there he then has time to ask more questions to devise a plan to kill all the other opponents.
Some people are either not understanding correctly or overestimating GHD's ability he does not have infinite knowledge, if Voice guy simple avoids contact with anyone there is something like a one in a billion chance that he can be located, his opponents don't know who he is or where he is so they have no way to find him until he want to be found and if he is smart he will wait until he has a foolproof plan and probably until there are only one or 2 opponents left.
The issue is that the OP said that all five contestants left clues during their initial year of practice. There are multiple ways to interpret this, one would be that a well-funded government organisation would have the means to discover their identities, the other is that even a single person if given enough time would be able to. If it's the latter, then GHD is at a huge advantage compared to some of the others. He can simply activate his power on the first day to learn all he needs to know and then use this to locate the Death Note guy, then use the notebook to kill all others instantly. On the other hand, if discovering identities is not so easy and requires access to a whole bunch of hidden file systems, then I'm not sure if he would be able to do this. You would have to befriend the CIA or so every single iteration of the time loop, which would be horribly time consuming or outright impossible. There is no shortcut you can memorize to utilize all the resources of the CIA, even if you got access to their computer systems it would still be neigh impossible to do all relevant investigations by yourself.
1. He starts his loop. 2. He gets to know the other players, however many loops that may take. 3. Each time the loop starts, he sends the names and pictures of the other three guys to DN. 4. He uses the remaining time of the loop to perfectly orchestrate the murder of DN without exposing his face to him.
Of course, I'm assuming that GHG should get enough tries to find a medium and message that reach DN promptly and convince him to actually kill the others asap, and that neither DN nor GHG get killed off during the first few minutes of the game (noteably, GHG could warn DN of danger). However, the only guys capable of killing during the first few minutes are DN and teleport guy, but neither can aquire the necessary intel faster than instantly.
On October 03 2012 08:28 Orcasgt24 wrote: The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills.
what if someone sets him up (or by accident) that he will die exactly after the day is over? His Oracle thingy has only control over 24 hours. It will not prevent certain death after that period.
Omni guys gonna know when the 24h period is up. That probably only leaves you a very small window(minutes?) to do something. Knowing that window is an absolutle KEY. If you do not know when the question was asked, you cannot kill him because he know how to not die during the window. A virus that is not fatal instintaniously could be used but it needs to be fatal outside the 24h window of the question and administered towards the end of the 24 window, becoming fatal at the very start of the next 24h question.
This method makes Omni guy compeltly immune to the death note. All death note methods are concidered impossible since omni guys voice and the death note are basiccly unstoppable force vs immovable object. I'd say they cancel and the note does nothing. Death Note guy must kill Omni guy the old fashinoed way, and teh voice will tell omni guy how to avoid the death.
I wounder what the answer to the question " How do I go about becoming a God?" is
stalk the DN position until figure how to kill the death note guy
with the death note can write: "any random person will die backstabed in a location without humans" so there are 2 possible solutions, the teleporter guy (more likely, per time restriction), or the timestop guy. commit the murder.
ask to the voice the name of the murder. with the name and the voice eventually could the reach the face of the guy via database, or via knowing his familiars, school / job.
repeat the backstab scenario delaying the kill of previous killer to make time so the guy left will commit the murder.
so i'll suppose the timestop guy is the last killer. so guy with voice must try to kill GHG guy with the timestop guy using the death note, it's really hard figure the way to found the face of GHG guy. so in 24 days of control with the death note, will use the timestop guy to use nuclear weapons in the area where is the GHG guy. the voice can bring the localization of GHG guy.
in case the guy 4 found the face of guy 5, the death note must specify that the death must occur after 5 or 6 days so the guy 5 never will can stop his death with the only 3 days loop.
"What would you ask as your first ,say, 10 questions if you were the #4 omni guy given the situation?"
Definitely ask the Genie if I left a trace that could lead someone to me as question number one. If he says yes AND you can remove all these traces, you are pretty much set. GHD guy can't find you, Teleporter guy can't assisinate you ect. You don't need much money and you don't need to be offensive just yet.
Then, everyday, ask the Genie the score.
Once there is only 1 other survivor, you can start working out a plan to kill him. Just pray you have enough time and you ask the right questions.
Knowing there is 0 trace that could lead to you AND being defensive = pretty much invulnerable. You wouldn't need to ever use your power to influence the world around you once your traces are gone so nobody can suddenly detect you.
All this depends of course on the initial "trace question". Would you have to keep asking it because of the 24 hour scope ( there may be no way of someone finding the trace in the first week but after that, they could find it and use it to kill you) ?
On October 03 2012 08:28 Orcasgt24 wrote: The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills.
what if someone sets him up (or by accident) that he will die exactly after the day is over? His Oracle thingy has only control over 24 hours. It will not prevent certain death after that period.
Omni guys gonna know when the 24h period is up. That probably only leaves you a very small window(minutes?) to do something. Knowing that window is an absolutle KEY. If you do not know when the question was asked, you cannot kill him because he know how to not die during the window. A virus that is not fatal instintaniously could be used but it needs to be fatal outside the 24h window of the question and administered towards the end of the 24 window, becoming fatal at the very start of the next 24h question.
This method makes Omni guy compeltly immune to the death note. All death note methods are concidered impossible since omni guys voice and the death note are basiccly unstoppable force vs immovable object. I'd say they cancel and the note does nothing. Death Note guy must kill Omni guy the old fashinoed way, and teh voice will tell omni guy how to avoid the death.
I don't think that's correct. The omniscient voice would speak of ways to prevent death, but it can not give a strategy that will ensure survival.
I don't know the limits of the oracle voice though. Let's say that it tells you that to avoid death you have to kill the person that controls the death note by shooting him. The oracle will have looked into the future and will know there is a way for you to kill him by shooting him, otherwise he would not have suggested it. Now it comes to whether you can execute the steps he has given you. Even if there might be a scenario where your bullet will always hit and you'll never be seen, I don't think it's possible to convey this information to the person that queried the oracle for this. Because some things are just too complex to memorize or execute and there will be no point in telling. So in this sense the oracle's power is somewhat limited.
-- I think under further consideration, that #5 will be pretty much impervious to #4 during his three day time loop. This is because #4 can't ask repeat questions, so he can't ask every day whether he is currently in a time loop or ask what he learned in the previous iteration of the loop. Because those will be repeat questions. Alternatively, he could ask on the first day: when does the time loop start, but this would be pointless as the oracle is clueless about events more than 24 hours ahead. All that #5 has to do is to start his time window relatively soon, before #4 has a chance to locate and kill him. Of course, that's tricky, and it might come down to mind games about guessing when the time loop would start. If you went after #5 quickly enough and managed to track him down right away to try and kill him, then you could be fairly certain he's in the time loop and this is (most likely) your first iteration of it. All you have to do is to ask the time loop question the next day and then there are only two scenarios: either he wasn't in the time loop and you have won because he died before he had a chance to activate, or he was in the time loop and this is one of the first few times before he had a chance to learn how to avoid death. But #5 can still come out ahead, because you will only know whether to ask the time loop question after you kill #5, but that won't happen a few iterations into the time loop, since he will know how to avoid you then. If the situation is dire enough you might be able to prevent him from really researching the identities of #1, #2, #3, but you could be pretty certain he'd kill you.
I think the best course of action would be for #4 to go after GHD right away and somehow corner #5 in such a manner that you can kill him consistently every single time, no matter how many extra lives he had.
How the hell did you guys either: 1. know what groundhog day guy does? or 2. find out what he does?
is there some sort of movie or pop culture reference that i dont get? cuz there's nothing in the OP that explains what "groundhog day" is. then I tried wikipediaing it, and just got regular groundhog day.
because of this fact: "none of them draw huge attention to themselves, but they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them."
guy 1, 2 and 5 can eventually discover who their targets are, but they will never find any of them once they hide. also, guy 5 will get crazy because there is no one who can live the same 72 h 12.000 times and keep sane.
guy 3 only needs to know who his target is. he don't need to know where they are.
guy 4 can discover not only who he needs to kill, but he can also discover where the target will be. but he can't repeat the question and can't ask more than one question/day, he also does not have any killing power.
So, if guy 3 manage to find a secure place to be protected from guy 4. he can find who everyone is and start killing without even knowing where they are hiding.
I think it's also important to consider on what they have done in the past year, and what positions, power and wealth they could behold. The guy with the death note in my opinion would not be able to exploit for money. All the others could use their powers to become very wealthy.
Assuming DeathNote guy gains awareness of Groundhog Day Guy, what happens if he writes his own name in the deathnote establishing death more than 3 days in the future? Does his death become anchored in all the time streams, effectively meaning that Groundhog Day Guy will be unable to win in the next 100 years of time (for him), driving him insane.
On October 03 2012 09:05 ieatkids5 wrote: How the hell did you guys either: 1. know what groundhog day guy does? or 2. find out what he does?
is there some sort of movie or pop culture reference that i dont get? cuz there's nothing in the OP that explains what "groundhog day" is. then I tried wikipediaing it, and just got regular groundhog day.
On October 03 2012 08:28 Orcasgt24 wrote: The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills.
what if someone sets him up (or by accident) that he will die exactly after the day is over? His Oracle thingy has only control over 24 hours. It will not prevent certain death after that period.
Omni guys gonna know when the 24h period is up. That probably only leaves you a very small window(minutes?) to do something. Knowing that window is an absolutle KEY. If you do not know when the question was asked, you cannot kill him because he know how to not die during the window. A virus that is not fatal instintaniously could be used but it needs to be fatal outside the 24h window of the question and administered towards the end of the 24 window, becoming fatal at the very start of the next 24h question.
This method makes Omni guy compeltly immune to the death note. All death note methods are concidered impossible since omni guys voice and the death note are basiccly unstoppable force vs immovable object. I'd say they cancel and the note does nothing. Death Note guy must kill Omni guy the old fashinoed way, and teh voice will tell omni guy how to avoid the death.
I wounder what the answer to the question " How do I go about becoming a God?" is
no, it does not make him immune. After all, it is just a question that gets answered correctly. Sometimes there is no correct answer. As in, if you fall out of a plane, you can ask the voice anything you want. It might tell you to try to maximize your air resistance for falling, and how to land best, but chances are still pretty slim it will save you. Same goes for getting poisoned. No one cares what the guy asks the next day, as there will most probably be no way to remove said poison (if you pick the right one) or disable the trap that is set to kill him on a certain time. You can only be shown a path IF there is such a path. If there is none, asking will not open one. Adding the time limit of only 24 hours in which the specific answer to a specific problem is valid, you cannot even be save for tommorow, let alone a whole year. So apart from maybe being able to erase traces and unspecific advice about the whereabouts of the other people, the omniscent guy actually is not as good as people make him to be. Because, again, people misunderstand his ability for being omnipotent, which he is not. I would root for the teleport guy, if only he would not have to return to the very same spot in 24 hours. Which makes it incredible easy once you get a hold of his whereabouts. If he teleports out, place a guy with a spear behind that spot, and let him wait for 24 hours. If you were lucky, it was not the target of the first teleportation, but the origin, which means easy kill. Also the time stopping guy is intruiging for every direct confrontation, but force him to use it while not directly engaging him and he is defenseless for a whole week. Which is really bad.
Regarding GHD guy becoming insane, this does not need to happen. He could secure a high quality painless poison that would instantly kill him and keep it with him right before activating the ground hog day power. If he discovers all the necessary information in, let's say, three years, he can almost instantly skip to the required hundred years. And he doesn't even need to, he has a lot of freedom and can easily go places, do adventures etc.
On October 03 2012 08:35 MrF wrote: I will rephrase my answer, if I was the omniscient guy i would win, If he is an idiot then yes he could loose by being dumb and wasting his question. the rest of my post is still relevant on page 13, lol what a silly thread. TLDR my first post
Voice guy asks what do i need to do to stay alive for a (week, month whatever) voice in his head tells him where he needs to go to not be killed most likely some hidden underground bunker stocked with food and how to get there he then has time to ask more questions to devise a plan to kill all the other opponents.
Some people are either not understanding correctly or overestimating GHD's ability he does not have infinite knowledge, if Voice guy simple avoids contact with anyone there is something like a one in a billion chance that he can be located, his opponents don't know who he is or where he is so they have no way to find him until he want to be found and if he is smart he will wait until he has a foolproof plan and probably until there are only one or 2 opponents left.
the voice can't see further than 24h in the future... also, if DN get his name how can him survive? he can write XXXX will die 24 hours + 1 second from now by a heart attack, so you wouldn't even know he will find your name in the next 24 h.
Basically impossible for anyone besides guy 5 to win. The first 4 go through a regular timeline. Guy 5 lives ONLY in 3 days. He simply picks 3 days before the other 4 were born and they have no possibility of killing him. Say he's stupid and picks a 3 day span where they pass through in their normal time line. If one of them does not kill all of the rest in that period, it will never happen because he is in the past and can no longer be killed by them. Say somebody manages to figure out what 3 days he lives in, prepares an plan and kills him and others during the 3 day period they overlap with him. (Only omniscient guy could possibly know when guy 5 would even be in his timeline.) All teleport guy has to do is not be in the same place as guy 5 on those 3 days. It's pretty easy too. Teleport to the some obscure location or even the space station or whatever. He is not possible to be reached, much less likely to be killed in a specific 3 day span.
So basically guy 5 has hundred of tries to find a way to kill the rest, and the others get 1 3 day shot to kill him.
On October 03 2012 09:21 JeffBitches wrote: Is it just me or does omniscient guy have the same power, potentially, as GHD? What's preventing him from asking his ''entity'':
'What have I learned since this whole thing started?', concerning everything that happened in Groundhog 'days'.
You can not ask repeat questions. You could ask: when do I ask this question? But it wouldn't work, since your oracle can only look 24 hours into the future.
Day 1: Ask, "What are my opponents' powers?" Omni now knows to hide for the next 3 days to avoid Groundhog, and assume a fake identity to avoid Death Note. Supposedly, he also learns about the notebook itself. He can safely ignore Timefreeze and Teleport.
Day 2: Ask, "Where does the owner of each power live?" He could specify this to be very precise coordinates. He now has a way of seeing their faces, and he knows where the notebook is. Book a flight to that city two days from now.
Day 3: Ask, very close to midnight, "What is the easiest way to steal the notebook tomorrow without being discovered by any of my opponents?"
Day 4: If he's still alive, then Groundhog is no longer a threat. Board the plane, land in Death Note's home city, execute the plan the voice told him yesterday. Afterwards, ask "What is the name of the owner of each power?"
Omni now has the notebook, and the names and whereabouts of each of his opponents (if they move, he can just ask where they went). All he would have to do then is see each of them physically to remember their face, and he can simply ask the voice how to do this with zero risk of them identifying him. He could probably win in under two weeks.
day 1: Omni guy asks to know what the other 4 are capable of day 2: Omni asks the daily plans* of the other 4, plans survival strategy based on this knowledge day 3: Omni asks the names of the other 4 day 4: Omni gets death notes phone number, begins making anonymous calls giving the names of the other 3, plant a false name for himself. (Even if omni's motive is detected, Deathnote will likely comply due to mutual benefit) repeat the day 2 step, until the only response is the destination of Deathnote guy (because dead people dont have a stuff to do) Day whatever: Kill the Deathnote guy. nothing fancy, he knows his every action every day and can plan for anything
Daily Plans = every relevant detail. Not including breathing, sitting down, blinking(etc), but including exact locations of travel, purchases, written words/signatures for what purpose.
On October 03 2012 09:21 JeffBitches wrote: Is it just me or does omniscient guy have the same power, potentially, as GHD? What's preventing him from asking his ''entity'':
'What have I learned since this whole thing started?', concerning everything that happened in Groundhog 'days'.
You can not ask repeat questions. You could ask: when do I ask this question? But it wouldn't work, since your oracle can only look 24 hours into the future.
I guess I'm not fully understanding the concept of 'repeat' questions. I mean the question 'what have I learned' is pretty general. Doesn't even exclusively concern the oracle's answers.
The longer i think about this the more the odds seem to favor Death note guy. Especially if he also makes the eye deal. He is the only one that can have absolute control over other people. He really doesn't have to fear teleport, time stop or GHD guy. Because I just can't think of any way they could find/identify him if he goes into hiding from day 1. Only omniscient seems able to find him. GHD guys power becomes completely useless if DN guy makes him commit suicide 2 weeks after having him identified. sure he relives last 3 or 5 days but he won't have any clue who or where DN guy is. Make a trip to the middle of nowhere and avoid the chance of being found when GHD guy spends his loop years randomly searching the globe. There must be places imaginable that are just unreachable in 5 days.
Don't know if the year of figuring out powers can be used to get intel on others or other benefits besides getting to know your power. But if thats the case he can for example arrange to be in orbit from Min 1 and unleashing a global nuclear war 2 min later. For that he doesn't even have to use his powers just do research.
Groundhog day and omniscient guy are the only ones with a clear shot of winning. With any of these five powers it is ridiculously easy to kill someone if you know who they are. The result would be largely a game of intelligence, played by guys with timed explosives and high powered sniper rifles aiming to assassinate each other without giving the victim a chance to react. Teleportation, Time freeze and death note are useless for gathering intel, omniscience and groundhog day are supremely good at it. So what it would boil down to:
Groundhog day instantly activates his power and begins searching for clues as to who everyone else is. If he kills them all within his century of days he wins. If not, he is basically done for. Ominiscience guy would spend the first few days acquiring intel on everyone and then a few more acquiring resources (money, weapons, a fake id) and then everyone left is basically dead. If groundhog day takes out omniscience guy without killing the others, shit gets moderately more interesting, but that's a pretty rare scenario.
This does become moderately more interesting if you tweak the rules so that there is no backtrail whatsoever during the 1 year training period, or only as much as one wishes to leave (having known the rules of the game from the start). That preparatory period is actually far more interesting than the assassins game, which would end very quickly.
After the 24h nerf, I think Omniscient guy has to ask "what did I learn during the last cycle" every other day.
GHG can choose when to start the loop. Suppose that GHG starts the loop on the first day and Omniscient guy asks some other question like "where is so-and-so", because everything resets after 3 days, we can assume that Omniscient guy will behave the same way during the second cycle (he'll ask "where is so-and-so" on the first day). The only way Omniscient guy can adapt and behave differently is if he asks what he learned during the previous cycle. Suppose now he asks "what did I learn last cycle" on the second day of the loop, he's fine because he still has 1 day left to ask something new to add to his knowledge for the next cycle. If he asks that on the third day, he'll find out that the loop has been activated but he can't really do anything about it since it'll reset before he can ask another question. So, he has to ask the question every other day, just to be safe.
On October 03 2012 01:52 caradoc wrote: Omniscient guy could ask how to trick death note guy into killing the other three while making him think omniscient guy was someone else. Then off death note guy at his leisure.
Or better yet, 'How can I rig a series of events that will end up with me winning and offing the other 4'.
If this is all in a groundhog day, while it's hard to know how groundhog day man's power affects stuff that goes on outside him, it doesn't matter-- since omniscient guy is omniscient, groundhog day man's power is taken into consideration when he asks his question, since he'll be asking it every day for 100 years, the answer may change from day to day, and he'll still get through, so groundhog day man's powers don't help him survive at all. Even if groundhog day man knows about omniscient guy, on the last day of groundhog day man's powers, omniscient guy will just do something that negates that knowledge, so it doesn't help him at all.
In fact omniscient guy, since he's omniscient, would have been doing an iterative strategy from the very beginning that took into consideration the fact that groundhog day kept happening (since he's omniscient), in effect using groundhog day man's power against him.
Basically, if it is possible for omniscient guy to win, he will win.
he can only ask the same question once as far as I understood (or maybe just the exact same question not "where is guy x at time y"
On October 03 2012 01:59 Penke wrote: Guy 4 could do this strategy:
Step 1: Start by attaining a false ID with a fake name and clean his history so that there is no way of finding out his real name. (This process could include faking his own death, and asking his omniscient voice for help on how to remove himself from every database). Step 2: Ask the voice where guy #3 will be on time X. Step 3: Seek out guy #3, convince him to cooperate since 2v1v1v1 gives a higher chance of winning for those who cooperate. Guy #3 will hopefully follow along with guy #4's plans since he understands that a cooperation will insure that the other 3 guys will die. That will leave only 2 guys left, being him and guy #4. Step 4: Have guy #3 killing the other 3 guys with his death notes when guy #4 tells their name one per day (after asking his voice of course). Step 5: Guy #3 will likely try to kill guy #4 with his death notes, but will not succeed since he does not know his real name, and therefore can't write it on a paper. As guy #3 realises that it wasn't guy #4's real name. Guy #4 can use his complete knowledge to kill guy #3.
There are of course some holes here and there. For example, guy #3 might try to kill guy #4 with a regular weapon after the other three guys are dead, which guy #4 has to be careful about.
The hitman strategy is probably better.
guy 4 can just ask his omnicient voice how/when guy 3 is gonna turn on him so he should always be prepared
Honestly, I think it's better to change the rules so that Omniscient guy can't ask about the future at all (not even 24h). He can ask where the others are at the moment but he can't ask where they'll be a day from now. Otherwise it gets too hairy with questions like "how do I kill this guy within the next 24 hours?"
On October 03 2012 09:39 B1nary wrote: After the 24h nerf, I think Omniscient guy has to ask "what did I learn during the last cycle" every other day.
GHG can choose when to start the loop. Suppose that GHG starts the loop on the first day and Omniscient guy asks some other question like "where is so-and-so", because everything resets after 3 days, we can assume that Omniscient guy will behave the same way during the second cycle (he'll ask "where is so-and-so" on the first day). The only way Omniscient guy can adapt and behave differently is if he asks what he learned during the previous cycle. Suppose now he asks "what did I learn last cycle" on the second day of the loop, he's fine because he still has 1 day left to ask something new to add to his knowledge for the next cycle. If he asks that on the third day, he'll find out that the loop has been activated but he can't really do anything about it since it'll reset before he can ask another question. So, he has to ask the question every other day, just to be safe.
this is extremely important. if Omni finds out what he learned last cycle, that means both himself AND groundhog day can make changes, and do things they otherwise would not do. so if GHG learned "Player X will always be at location Y at time Z", omniscient guy can essentially mess him up, cause that scenario to not happen, and make GHG's time MUCH much harder.
On October 03 2012 09:48 B1nary wrote: Honestly, I think it's better to change the rules so that Omniscient guy can't ask about the future at all (not even 24h). He can ask where the others are at the moment but he can't ask where they'll be a day from now. Otherwise it gets too hairy with questions like "how do I kill this guy within the next 24 hours?"
will consider this nerf, depending on what other people have to say in response.
GHD guy could be beaten easily if they counteract him with randomness. but what kind of random number generator they could actually use that would give different results im not sure. but if they were able to use a random number generator then they could move to different locations based on the randomness
On October 03 2012 09:48 B1nary wrote: Honestly, I think it's better to change the rules so that Omniscient guy can't ask about the future at all (not even 24h). He can ask where the others are at the moment but he can't ask where they'll be a day from now. Otherwise it gets too hairy with questions like "how do I kill this guy within the next 24 hours?"
will consider this nerf, depending on what other people have to say in response.
I just retought guy that get answers 1st answer : the lottery numbers 2nd answer name and address of the other guys 3rd answer best mercenaries for the job
On October 03 2012 09:17 Luepert wrote: Basically impossible for anyone besides guy 5 to win. The first 4 go through a regular timeline. Guy 5 lives ONLY in 3 days. He simply picks 3 days before the other 4 were born and they have no possibility of killing him. Say he's stupid and picks a 3 day span where they pass through in their normal time line. If one of them does not kill all of the rest in that period, it will never happen because he is in the past and can no longer be killed by them. Say somebody manages to figure out what 3 days he lives in, prepares an plan and kills him and others during the 3 day period they overlap with him. (Only omniscient guy could possibly know when guy 5 would even be in his timeline.) All teleport guy has to do is not be in the same place as guy 5 on those 3 days. It's pretty easy too. Teleport to the some obscure location or even the space station or whatever. He is not possible to be reached, much less likely to be killed in a specific 3 day span.
So basically guy 5 has hundred of tries to find a way to kill the rest, and the others get 1 3 day shot to kill him.
Since when can GHG go back in time? it was my understanding that he got told this at a certain point in his life and not able to pick any three days in history/future.
On October 03 2012 09:05 rpgalon wrote: because of this fact: "none of them draw huge attention to themselves, but they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them."
guy 1, 2 and 5 can eventually discover who their targets are, but they will never find any of them once they hide. also, guy 5 will get crazy because there is no one who can live the same 72 h 12.000 times and keep sane.
guy 3 only needs to know who his target is. he don't need to know where they are.
guy 4 can discover not only who he needs to kill, but he can also discover where the target will be. but he can't repeat the question and can't ask more than one question/day, he also does not have any killing power.
So, if guy 3 manage to find a secure place to be protected from guy 4. he can find who everyone is and start killing without even knowing where they are hiding.
It is not stated if they know about the powers of the 4 other guys. Reading some answers we assume they all know roughly about each others powers, it seems. Let´s go with that.
Time freeze boy and teleport lad would need to have more information than the others as their powers are imho weaker than the powers of the other dudes. They have powers that make them more obvious, while the others are more or less undetectable except by silhouette(if just one of the 5 people looks kinda generic...). Death note dude having more information about the others would break the scenario as just having their names could lead to their pictures via the internet and hence instant victory.
The omniscient voice man can practically ask "How can I get full information on XY" everyday after he dealt with groundhogday guy. Groundhogday guy has imho the best chances as 3 days is plenty of time with a fully planned time schedule to get the means and kill 4 motherfuckers. He is like time freeze boy on steroids.
If you ask me, GHD guy could maybe mindgame omniscient voice man by waiting several days before activating his powers. If omniscient voice man asks about what happened furing GHD guys cycle at the wrong time, which can be any damn day of the whole year, he is basically just as much a victim as everyone of the other people. + Show Spoiler +
scratch that, forgot omniscient voice man can´t repeat questions.
OV man would need to ask "What did I learn last GHD cycle?" at least once every 3 days. If he happens to mistime it to the 3rd day of the GHD cycle, he is basically fucked. If he asks it on the 2nd day, he has a one new question answered each cycle. The only safe method for omniscient voice man to win is to ask "What did I learn last GHD cycle" every single day. If he gets lazy at any point, i.e. feeling stupid after a week of asking the same question over and over, he will probably lose to GHD guy.
On October 03 2012 10:07 Cybren wrote: how does GHG lose? He's basically got all their powers. Hell he can LITERALLY have the death note
why? he doesn't know everybodys names/faces + he only has 72 hours of superpower after that he is gonna be completely normal (except if he captures the death not ofc but that wouldn't help him that much if he has no way of finding the others...)
The omniscient guy is completely overpowered. Nerf to nothing in the future.
He could just ask how to kill the Death Note guy, then ask who the other people are. He could spend questions asking what they look like, too. He can kill everyone in a minimum of a week.
On October 03 2012 09:05 rpgalon wrote: because of this fact: "none of them draw huge attention to themselves, but they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them."
guy 1, 2 and 5 can eventually discover who their targets are, but they will never find any of them once they hide. also, guy 5 will get crazy because there is no one who can live the same 72 h 12.000 times and keep sane.
guy 3 only needs to know who his target is. he don't need to know where they are.
guy 4 can discover not only who he needs to kill, but he can also discover where the target will be. but he can't repeat the question and can't ask more than one question/day, he also does not have any killing power.
So, if guy 3 manage to find a secure place to be protected from guy 4. he can find who everyone is and start killing without even knowing where they are hiding.
and how would he do that?
guy 3 is a normal man, he can't enter shooting like chuck norris, he does not have a bazooka etc... for what we know he does not even know how to shoot properly...
On October 03 2012 10:13 Mataza wrote: It is not stated if they know about the powers of the 4 other guys. Reading some answers we assume they all know roughly about each others powers, it seems. Let´s go with that.
Time freeze boy and teleport lad would need to have more information than the others as their powers are imho weaker than the powers of the other dudes. They have powers that make them more obvious, while the others are more or less undetectable except by silhouette(if just one of the 5 people looks kinda generic...). Death note dude having more information about the others would break the scenario as just having their names could lead to their pictures via the internet and hence instant victory.
The omniscient voice man can practically ask "How can I get full information on XY" everyday after he dealt with groundhogday guy. Groundhogday guy has imho the best chances as 3 days is plenty of time with a fully planned time schedule to get the means and kill 4 motherfuckers. He is like time freeze boy on steroids.
If you ask me, GHD guy could maybe mindgame omniscient voice man by waiting several days before activating his powers. If omniscient voice man asks about what happened furing GHD guys cycle at the wrong time, which can be any damn day of the whole year, he is basically just as much a victim as everyone of the other people. + Show Spoiler +
scratch that, forgot omniscient voice man can´t repeat questions.
OV man would need to ask "What did I learn last GHD cycle?" at least once every 3 days. If he happens to mistime it to the 3rd day of the GHD cycle, he is basically fucked. If he asks it on the 2nd day, he has a one new question answered each cycle. The only safe method for omniscient voice man to win is to ask "What did I learn last GHD cycle" every single day. If he gets lazy at any point, i.e. feeling stupid after a week of asking the same question over and over, he will probably lose to GHD guy.
I think he can get away with asking that every other day. So he'll still be able to find out information about everyone else, just at a slower pace.
I'm honestly having a hard time seeing an answer to this other than a mass claim in the final weeks(to allow travel time) and then letting things unfold in person. However that wouldn't work because then time freeze guy easily wins. Omniscient guy could win a lottery early on and wait till under a month left to come out publicly and say that if each person turns themself over to him he'll care for their families and give each family 10 mil USD using the reasoning that if you don't do it, you're dead anyway and your families are fucked. There isn't really any room to bargain though as each player has nothing to lose and everything to gain. Everyone other than omniscient guy also has the terrible issue of not being able to verify powers so Ghg or time freeze couldn't get money and use this plan.
I can't see any solution other than a draw really.
After some more thought and reading some more posts I have some unlikely but very powerful strats for a dark horse victory.
Teleportation guy: Find weapons, teleport to the international space station. Hold it hostage, use hostages to procure and test a space suit, supplies, etc. Teleport to the moon after killing off the station. From here you at least force a stalemate. Best case scenario is the others kill each other leaving you with one clear target. You can only be stopped by death note guy, but odds are omniscience or groundhog kill him early.
Death note: Knowing you are a prime target, descend into an underground bunker armed with your book and an Internet connection. Start killing world leaders. Specify death circumstances that are most likely to start a nuclear war. Omniscience will eventually have you killed but you can write a hundred thousand names in a day, whereas it will take him several days to stop you. You still don't get teleportation guy if he used the above strat or thinks of it in time, but maybe he doesn't.
Omniscience: ask who the names of the other four are. Distribute to death note guy anonymously. Unless they hid their faces very well, you just took out 3 competitors.
On October 03 2012 10:17 Antylamon wrote: The omniscient guy is completely overpowered. Nerf to nothing in the future.
He could just ask how to kill the Death Note guy, then ask who the other people are. He could spend questions asking what they look like, too. He can kill everyone in a minimum of a week.
it's because people are thinking that if you ask, the voice will say an elaborate number of movements that leads to victory, but from what I know, if you ask "how to kill the Death Note guy?" the voice can say something like: you stab his heart or you shoot him.
also people are trying to put like 2-3 questions in only one sentence.
the Omni guy has to be very specific on what he wants to know, otherwise he loses a day....
If DeathNote guy is incredibly quick witted, has an encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, and has nerves of steel, he can guarantee himself a victory using this plan.
As soon as he comes out of the dream, he instantly writes in his Death Note his own name and as cause of death a disease that has an incubation period of over a year (note : for those who haven't read the manga or seen the anime, diseases do not obey the 23 day rule, and make the person die at an adequate time according to the disease). As he must die of this disease, and dying before the end of the year is impossible, he is guaranteed to live more than one year. After this he needs to destroy the death note (I'll explain why later).
Therefore, it is impossible for him to die under any circumstances before the end of the time period for the disease. The other competitors absolutely cannot kill him in anyway, and he cannot die at the end of the year, meaning that all the other competitors must therefore die within the year.
If he acts fast enough, Ground Hog guy, and Omniscient guy (who both can gain knowledge of this using their powers) cannot possibly phone Teleport guy fast enough at the start of a new cycle, to get him to kill Deathnote guy before he writes this down. Also if Deathnote guy destroys the death note fast enough, teleport guy won't get there in time to modify the conditions of death in the death note (if it wasn't destroyed, and teleport guy got there within 6 min and 40 s, teleport guy could modify the conditions of death and make them impossible, thereby causing Deathnote guy to die at the end of the 6 min and 40 s).
At that point, Deathnote guy is assured of victory, and he can just chill for the rest of the year, knowing that all the others will die. He will then die of the disease at the prescribed amount of time, and the Deus Ex Machina will turn him into a God.
That's how Deathnote guy can guarantee himself a victory.
On October 03 2012 10:17 Antylamon wrote: The omniscient guy is completely overpowered. Nerf to nothing in the future.
He could just ask how to kill the Death Note guy, then ask who the other people are. He could spend questions asking what they look like, too. He can kill everyone in a minimum of a week.
it's because people are thinking that if you ask, the voice will say an elaborate number of movements that leads to victory, but from what I know, if you ask "how to kill the Death Note guy?" the voice can say something like: you stab his heart or you shoot him.
also people are trying to put like 2-3 questions in only one sentence.
the Omni guy has to be very specific on what he wants to know, otherwise he loses a day....
He would know how to game it though, remember they all had a year to practice.
On October 03 2012 10:13 Mataza wrote: It is not stated if they know about the powers of the 4 other guys. Reading some answers we assume they all know roughly about each others powers, it seems. Let´s go with that.
Time freeze boy and teleport lad would need to have more information than the others as their powers are imho weaker than the powers of the other dudes. They have powers that make them more obvious, while the others are more or less undetectable except by silhouette(if just one of the 5 people looks kinda generic...). Death note dude having more information about the others would break the scenario as just having their names could lead to their pictures via the internet and hence instant victory.
The omniscient voice man can practically ask "How can I get full information on XY" everyday after he dealt with groundhogday guy. Groundhogday guy has imho the best chances as 3 days is plenty of time with a fully planned time schedule to get the means and kill 4 motherfuckers. He is like time freeze boy on steroids.
If you ask me, GHD guy could maybe mindgame omniscient voice man by waiting several days before activating his powers. If omniscient voice man asks about what happened furing GHD guys cycle at the wrong time, which can be any damn day of the whole year, he is basically just as much a victim as everyone of the other people. + Show Spoiler +
scratch that, forgot omniscient voice man can´t repeat questions.
OV man would need to ask "What did I learn last GHD cycle?" at least once every 3 days. If he happens to mistime it to the 3rd day of the GHD cycle, he is basically fucked. If he asks it on the 2nd day, he has a one new question answered each cycle. The only safe method for omniscient voice man to win is to ask "What did I learn last GHD cycle" every single day. If he gets lazy at any point, i.e. feeling stupid after a week of asking the same question over and over, he will probably lose to GHD guy.
not really probable as it would be quite unlikely to miss the one day of a whole year where ghd guy is on day 1 of the cycle if he asks every other day if GHD relies on omi guy being careful he calculates how many questions (so how many days) omni guy would need to kill everyone because that is the point where he has to stop asking "what did i learn in the previous cyle" if he wants a chance to win when he knows that he times it just right so he won't be caught by omni guy and kills everyone in the last couple of days
ghd should win if omni guy "plays safe" (acts predictable) if he does just randomly choose when to ask for the cycles or tries to kill ghd guy rightaway it is based on luck
the others have no real chance of winning as they would not be able to find omni guy in just a year because he basically leaves no traces if he doesn't want to ghd guy would meet him at some point when they try to kill each other also as long as he doesn't activate the cycle only omni guy could track him so the others have no chance of killing everyone tbh
On October 03 2012 09:48 B1nary wrote: Honestly, I think it's better to change the rules so that Omniscient guy can't ask about the future at all (not even 24h). He can ask where the others are at the moment but he can't ask where they'll be a day from now. Otherwise it gets too hairy with questions like "how do I kill this guy within the next 24 hours?"
why not? He will get the answer on how to literally kill that person, but he will not get both time and location for the correct murder. Since he can never get answers to all three problems (location, time and method) at the same time there is a huge chance he will not succeed. As in, he asks on how to kill guy X without any risk, and he will get the response "blow him up". He does not know where to place the charge, nor when to detonate it. Or for example he gets the answer that the perfect crime would be to use an air strike to wipe out the teleportation guy, but what if he strikes at the wrong moment and the teleportation guy is already gone? People expect him to get the perfect master plan with one plain question, but this should never be possible with straight answers. One question, one answer. No "how to auto-win"-plan in one question possible.
On October 03 2012 10:17 Antylamon wrote: The omniscient guy is completely overpowered. Nerf to nothing in the future.
He could just ask how to kill the Death Note guy, then ask who the other people are. He could spend questions asking what they look like, too. He can kill everyone in a minimum of a week.
it's because people are thinking that if you ask, the voice will say an elaborate number of movements that leads to victory, but from what I know, if you ask "how to kill the Death Note guy?" the voice can say something like: you stab his heart or you shoot him.
also people are trying to put like 2-3 questions in only one sentence.
the Omni guy has to be very specific on what he wants to know, otherwise he loses a day....
Yeah, I realize that. I was thinking more along the lines of "Where will the Death Note guy be in 24 hours" rather than simply "How do I kill him?"
From there, he can just travel by plane and shoot/stab him from behind 24 hours later.
On October 03 2012 09:39 B1nary wrote: After the 24h nerf, I think Omniscient guy has to ask "what did I learn during the last cycle" every other day.
GHG can choose when to start the loop. Suppose that GHG starts the loop on the first day and Omniscient guy asks some other question like "where is so-and-so", because everything resets after 3 days, we can assume that Omniscient guy will behave the same way during the second cycle (he'll ask "where is so-and-so" on the first day). The only way Omniscient guy can adapt and behave differently is if he asks what he learned during the previous cycle. Suppose now he asks "what did I learn last cycle" on the second day of the loop, he's fine because he still has 1 day left to ask something new to add to his knowledge for the next cycle. If he asks that on the third day, he'll find out that the loop has been activated but he can't really do anything about it since it'll reset before he can ask another question. So, he has to ask the question every other day, just to be safe.
this is extremely important. if Omni finds out what he learned last cycle, that means both himself AND groundhog day can make changes, and do things they otherwise would not do. so if GHG learned "Player X will always be at location Y at time Z", omniscient guy can essentially mess him up, cause that scenario to not happen, and make GHG's time MUCH much harder.
Yeah I was just about to say this. In fact, GHG wins by being OP if the cycle resets immediately when he dies. If not Omni wins.
The reason is that Omni has the potential for winning in just a few questions provided he asks the perfect questions which we might not think of at the moment. Once he learns the others powers, he will understand that every two days he must ask what he learned from the past loops or he will risk falling into the loops of GHG and have no realistic way of winning or gaining knowledge because he would be stuck in 100 years of a 3 day loop. Omni is helped greatly by GHG's loops if Omni is smart enough to learn these facts immediately as he gets as much knowledge as he wants and can eventually pull off a 3 day plan to win or something similar. Essentially GHG has a much harder time if he doesn't understand Omni's power immediately. GHG also is at a disadvantage in planning due to him having to manually find information, although this is somewhat offset by Omni losing more days because he must play it safe with his questions to not get stuck in the loop.
If the cycle of loops started by GHG reset immediately if he dies, no one can defeat him given any intelligence or random luck. It would mean that GHG can immediately start the loop and kill himself at the end of day 1 each time, landing even Omni in a state of constant limbo where they never progress in their plans such that GHG's power of planning is grossly higher than everyone else. Of course this just opens up the variability if it is possible because it would simply be up to how fast GHG can learn of this ability before someone stops him.
On October 03 2012 09:51 travis wrote: GHD guy could be beaten easily if they counteract him with randomness. but what kind of random number generator they could actually use that would give different results im not sure. but if they were able to use a random number generator then they could move to different locations based on the randomness
On October 03 2012 09:48 B1nary wrote: Honestly, I think it's better to change the rules so that Omniscient guy can't ask about the future at all (not even 24h). He can ask where the others are at the moment but he can't ask where they'll be a day from now. Otherwise it gets too hairy with questions like "how do I kill this guy within the next 24 hours?"
will consider this nerf, depending on what other people have to say in response.
agreed!
For the first part of travis's quote, I don't think it would matter at all. Realistically all the inevitability and random things that happen in the 3 day loop that GHG starts would happen every single time without fail unless he was a variable to their change or Omni had the knowledge to also affect things. Everyone and everything else would have no chance to act differently at all until either GHG or Omni affected them inside the loop.
For the proposition on future information for Omni I would expect simple questions to come back with overly simple results. Like find transportation and then shoot him. So even if he could ask about slight future events he would need to be very specific to get his intended result.
On October 03 2012 10:25 BrokenMirage wrote: If DeathNote guy is incredibly quick witted, has an encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, and has nerves of steel, he can guarantee himself a victory using this plan.
As soon as he comes out of the dream, he instantly writes in his Death Note his own name and as cause of death a disease that has an incubation period of over a year (note : for those who haven't read the manga or seen the anime, diseases do not obey the 23 day rule, and make the person die at an adequate time according to the disease). As he must die of this disease, and dying before the end of the year is impossible, he is guaranteed to live more than one year. After this he needs to destroy the death note (I'll explain why later).
Therefore, it is impossible for him to die under any circumstances before the end of the time period for the disease. The other competitors absolutely cannot kill him in anyway, and he cannot die at the end of the year, meaning that all the other competitors must therefore die within the year.
If he acts fast enough, Ground Hog guy, and Omniscient guy (who both can gain knowledge of this using their powers) cannot possibly phone Teleport guy fast enough at the start of a new cycle, to get him to kill Deathnote guy before he writes this down. Also if Deathnote guy destroys the death note fast enough, teleport guy won't get there in time to modify the conditions of death in the death note (if it wasn't destroyed, and teleport guy got there within 6 min and 40 s, teleport guy could modify the conditions of death and make them impossible, thereby causing Deathnote guy to die at the end of the 6 min and 40 s).
At that point, Deathnote guy is assured of victory, and he can just chill for the rest of the year, knowing that all the others will die. He will then die of the disease at the prescribed amount of time, and the Deus Ex Machina will turn him into a God.
That's how Deathnote guy can guarantee himself a victory.
no, he dies 23 days later from a heart attack.
I also think DN will win, but that is because he can mind-control anyone for 23 days by writing something like: XXXXX will obey every order I give to him, until he dies by a heart attack 23 days later.
the DN guy can get a lot of people to help protect him and help track down the others.
also, the hints that everyone left from the year before the Dream, will allow every one of competitors to eventually discover who you need to kill, but it does not help tracking down where your target is now (after the dream), the DN guy only need to know who he needs to kill, he does not need to know where they are.
On October 03 2012 10:25 BrokenMirage wrote: If DeathNote guy is incredibly quick witted, has an encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, and has nerves of steel, he can guarantee himself a victory using this plan.
As soon as he comes out of the dream, he instantly writes in his Death Note his own name and as cause of death a disease that has an incubation period of over a year (note : for those who haven't read the manga or seen the anime, diseases do not obey the 23 day rule, and make the person die at an adequate time according to the disease). As he must die of this disease, and dying before the end of the year is impossible, he is guaranteed to live more than one year. After this he needs to destroy the death note (I'll explain why later).
Therefore, it is impossible for him to die under any circumstances before the end of the time period for the disease. The other competitors absolutely cannot kill him in anyway, and he cannot die at the end of the year, meaning that all the other competitors must therefore die within the year.
If he acts fast enough, Ground Hog guy, and Omniscient guy (who both can gain knowledge of this using their powers) cannot possibly phone Teleport guy fast enough at the start of a new cycle, to get him to kill Deathnote guy before he writes this down. Also if Deathnote guy destroys the death note fast enough, teleport guy won't get there in time to modify the conditions of death in the death note (if it wasn't destroyed, and teleport guy got there within 6 min and 40 s, teleport guy could modify the conditions of death and make them impossible, thereby causing Deathnote guy to die at the end of the 6 min and 40 s).
At that point, Deathnote guy is assured of victory, and he can just chill for the rest of the year, knowing that all the others will die. He will then die of the disease at the prescribed amount of time, and the Deus Ex Machina will turn him into a God.
That's how Deathnote guy can guarantee himself a victory.
well that doesn't work because "If their name is written, and the cause of death cannot be met, they will die of a heart attack." if he can't die at the end of the year this means the circumstances of the death can not be met so he will die from a heart attack
Can DN guy write a name twice? If he writes "DN Guy 5 days from now" on Page 113, then writes "DN Guy 4 days from now" on the first page, what happens? First thing he writes takes precedence?
He can use GHDG vs Omni Guy's Day 1 mind games to his advantage. This may hinge on whether or not GHDG can survive long enough to contact DN Guy. DN guy's strategy can be really risky and rely on GDHG making contact Day 1. He can use the DN to manipulate his own death, as well as the deaths of GDHG/Omni outside of their range of power. Against Omni, he'll have to kill him 24 hours + 1 second and there's nothing Omni can do about it, since his power doesn't see that far ahead. Against GHDG, he'll have to kill him 3-4 days after he activates his power (Day 4 if he assumes Day 1 activation)
If GHDG can find Omni's identity and make contact with DN in 12k tries (doesn't have to do both in one shot, can find Omni guy, die, then on the next life contact DN), then DN wins.
My risky DN strategy would be as follows: - Write my own name in a random middle page of the DN to kill myself 23 days from now. - If GHDG contacts me, automatically assume he knows Omni's identity, as well as the time loop power being in effect - Make a deal with GHDG that kills Omni, DN and GHDG via deathnote, with GHDG being the last one alive. Make sure GHDG gives you proper info on how to contact Omni - Write my own name Day 4, and Omni's name Day 4 + 1 s (assuming the 23 day note takes precedence). This makes GHDG feel pretty safe as that means he's guaranteed to atleast tie me, and Omni has a 1s window to kill GHDG - Contact Omni to find GHDG's identity. Show him the DN and show him that if GHDG dies then Omni wins (since I die 1s before him). - Omni's Day 2 question will be burned on finding GHDG's identity. GHDG dies on Day 4
Result: Day 1: Tele+Time Freeze dead Day 4: GHDG dead Day 4 1 s later: Omni dead Day 4 2s later: DN becomes God and no longer has to die on Day 23
This strategy hinges on the DN's power having better range than Omni/GDHG. Omni lasts 1 day. GDHG lasts 3 days. DN lasts 23 days. It also hinges on Omni being unable to guarantee a Day 1 kill on GDHG
If Omni conceals himself too well, or does a Day 1 kill on GDHG, I just killed myself for no reason, but I see no better shot at winning. If Omni gets 23 days of intel I'm doomed anyway
On October 03 2012 10:25 BrokenMirage wrote: If DeathNote guy is incredibly quick witted, has an encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, and has nerves of steel, he can guarantee himself a victory using this plan.
As soon as he comes out of the dream, he instantly writes in his Death Note his own name and as cause of death a disease that has an incubation period of over a year (note : for those who haven't read the manga or seen the anime, diseases do not obey the 23 day rule, and make the person die at an adequate time according to the disease). As he must die of this disease, and dying before the end of the year is impossible, he is guaranteed to live more than one year. After this he needs to destroy the death note (I'll explain why later).
Therefore, it is impossible for him to die under any circumstances before the end of the time period for the disease. The other competitors absolutely cannot kill him in anyway, and he cannot die at the end of the year, meaning that all the other competitors must therefore die within the year.
If he acts fast enough, Ground Hog guy, and Omniscient guy (who both can gain knowledge of this using their powers) cannot possibly phone Teleport guy fast enough at the start of a new cycle, to get him to kill Deathnote guy before he writes this down. Also if Deathnote guy destroys the death note fast enough, teleport guy won't get there in time to modify the conditions of death in the death note (if it wasn't destroyed, and teleport guy got there within 6 min and 40 s, teleport guy could modify the conditions of death and make them impossible, thereby causing Deathnote guy to die at the end of the 6 min and 40 s).
At that point, Deathnote guy is assured of victory, and he can just chill for the rest of the year, knowing that all the others will die. He will then die of the disease at the prescribed amount of time, and the Deus Ex Machina will turn him into a God.
That's how Deathnote guy can guarantee himself a victory.
no, he dies 23 days later from a heart attack.
I also think DN will win, but that is because he can mind-control anyone for 23 days by writing something like: XXXXX will obey every order I give to him, until he dies by a heart attack 23 days later.
the DN guy can get a lot of people to help protect him and help track down the others.
also, the hints that everyone left from the year before the Dream, will allow every one of competitors to eventually discover who you need to kill, but it does not help tracking down where your target is now (after the dream), the DN guy only need to know who he needs to kill, he does not need to know where they are.
Read the Death Note Rules-
How to Use: XXVIII
If you write, “die of disease” like before with a specific disease’s name, but without a specific time, if it takes more than 24 days for the human to die the 23-day rule will not take effect and the human will die at an adequate time depending on the disease.
On October 03 2012 10:13 Mataza wrote: It is not stated if they know about the powers of the 4 other guys. Reading some answers we assume they all know roughly about each others powers, it seems. Let´s go with that.
Time freeze boy and teleport lad would need to have more information than the others as their powers are imho weaker than the powers of the other dudes. They have powers that make them more obvious, while the others are more or less undetectable except by silhouette(if just one of the 5 people looks kinda generic...). Death note dude having more information about the others would break the scenario as just having their names could lead to their pictures via the internet and hence instant victory.
The omniscient voice man can practically ask "How can I get full information on XY" everyday after he dealt with groundhogday guy. Groundhogday guy has imho the best chances as 3 days is plenty of time with a fully planned time schedule to get the means and kill 4 motherfuckers. He is like time freeze boy on steroids.
If you ask me, GHD guy could maybe mindgame omniscient voice man by waiting several days before activating his powers. If omniscient voice man asks about what happened furing GHD guys cycle at the wrong time, which can be any damn day of the whole year, he is basically just as much a victim as everyone of the other people. + Show Spoiler +
scratch that, forgot omniscient voice man can´t repeat questions.
OV man would need to ask "What did I learn last GHD cycle?" at least once every 3 days. If he happens to mistime it to the 3rd day of the GHD cycle, he is basically fucked. If he asks it on the 2nd day, he has a one new question answered each cycle. The only safe method for omniscient voice man to win is to ask "What did I learn last GHD cycle" every single day. If he gets lazy at any point, i.e. feeling stupid after a week of asking the same question over and over, he will probably lose to GHD guy.
Jesus u gotta start reading the OP bro, i didn't read all the crap u said since ur first paragraph is straight wrong.
Imo, alot of us are forgetting they have 1 year (probably without any knowledge that they have to kill each other) so within that year, alot of them would be incredibly wealthy, so these wealthy suggestions are abit void, GHD guy might be abit poor, since his power wont help him in that first year to get wealthy.
I cannot see the guy freezing time losing, just not possible.
Also I'm amazing this random thread has gotten to 17 pages but...well...I guess it's general, and it's a discussion so
But really, the person could just freeze time and ezmode, probably. Never mind this discussion is way too intense for me lol, and I suppose he'd have to find the other guys, so yeah. Edit: also if you read the Death Note rules, the user can only shorten, not prolong his life, so if he otherwise were to get killed before the disease would take effect, he would be prolonging his life by writing that in. This whole scenario is just a mess >_>
On October 03 2012 10:25 BrokenMirage wrote: If DeathNote guy is incredibly quick witted, has an encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, and has nerves of steel, he can guarantee himself a victory using this plan.
As soon as he comes out of the dream, he instantly writes in his Death Note his own name and as cause of death a disease that has an incubation period of over a year (note : for those who haven't read the manga or seen the anime, diseases do not obey the 23 day rule, and make the person die at an adequate time according to the disease). As he must die of this disease, and dying before the end of the year is impossible, he is guaranteed to live more than one year. After this he needs to destroy the death note (I'll explain why later).
Therefore, it is impossible for him to die under any circumstances before the end of the time period for the disease. The other competitors absolutely cannot kill him in anyway, and he cannot die at the end of the year, meaning that all the other competitors must therefore die within the year.
If he acts fast enough, Ground Hog guy, and Omniscient guy (who both can gain knowledge of this using their powers) cannot possibly phone Teleport guy fast enough at the start of a new cycle, to get him to kill Deathnote guy before he writes this down. Also if Deathnote guy destroys the death note fast enough, teleport guy won't get there in time to modify the conditions of death in the death note (if it wasn't destroyed, and teleport guy got there within 6 min and 40 s, teleport guy could modify the conditions of death and make them impossible, thereby causing Deathnote guy to die at the end of the 6 min and 40 s).
At that point, Deathnote guy is assured of victory, and he can just chill for the rest of the year, knowing that all the others will die. He will then die of the disease at the prescribed amount of time, and the Deus Ex Machina will turn him into a God.
That's how Deathnote guy can guarantee himself a victory.
well that doesn't work because "If their name is written, and the cause of death cannot be met, they will die of a heart attack." if he can't die at the end of the year this means the circumstances of the death can not be met so he will die from a heart attack
The circumstances could technically be met providing that all the other people died before the end of the year. Meaning, that if all the aforementionned things happened, he could die in the way defined. I understand that it could backfire horribly, and he would simply die from a heart attack. That's probably why I put nerves of steel in the requirements.
On October 03 2012 10:46 Aerisky wrote: I cannot see the guy freezing time losing, just not possible.
Also I'm amazing this random thread has gotten to 17 pages but...well...I guess it's general, and it's a discussion so
But really, the person could just freeze time and ezmode, probably. Never mind this discussion is way too intense for me lol, and I suppose he'd have to find the other guys, so yeah.
Dude time freeze is the worst power. You freeze time with a 5 hour limit and... What? Run up and kill all your competitors? You don't know who they are, have no way of traveling except by foot and teleport guy could be on the International space station.
On October 03 2012 10:25 BrokenMirage wrote: If DeathNote guy is incredibly quick witted, has an encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, and has nerves of steel, he can guarantee himself a victory using this plan.
As soon as he comes out of the dream, he instantly writes in his Death Note his own name and as cause of death a disease that has an incubation period of over a year (note : for those who haven't read the manga or seen the anime, diseases do not obey the 23 day rule, and make the person die at an adequate time according to the disease). As he must die of this disease, and dying before the end of the year is impossible, he is guaranteed to live more than one year. After this he needs to destroy the death note (I'll explain why later).
Therefore, it is impossible for him to die under any circumstances before the end of the time period for the disease. The other competitors absolutely cannot kill him in anyway, and he cannot die at the end of the year, meaning that all the other competitors must therefore die within the year.
If he acts fast enough, Ground Hog guy, and Omniscient guy (who both can gain knowledge of this using their powers) cannot possibly phone Teleport guy fast enough at the start of a new cycle, to get him to kill Deathnote guy before he writes this down. Also if Deathnote guy destroys the death note fast enough, teleport guy won't get there in time to modify the conditions of death in the death note (if it wasn't destroyed, and teleport guy got there within 6 min and 40 s, teleport guy could modify the conditions of death and make them impossible, thereby causing Deathnote guy to die at the end of the 6 min and 40 s).
At that point, Deathnote guy is assured of victory, and he can just chill for the rest of the year, knowing that all the others will die. He will then die of the disease at the prescribed amount of time, and the Deus Ex Machina will turn him into a God.
That's how Deathnote guy can guarantee himself a victory.
no, he dies 23 days later from a heart attack.
I also think DN will win, but that is because he can mind-control anyone for 23 days by writing something like: XXXXX will obey every order I give to him, until he dies by a heart attack 23 days later.
the DN guy can get a lot of people to help protect him and help track down the others.
also, the hints that everyone left from the year before the Dream, will allow every one of competitors to eventually discover who you need to kill, but it does not help tracking down where your target is now (after the dream), the DN guy only need to know who he needs to kill, he does not need to know where they are.
If you write, “die of disease” like before with a specific disease’s name, but without a specific time, if it takes more than 24 days for the human to die the 23-day rule will not take effect and the human will die at an adequate time depending on the disease.
he does not become immortal if you write die of disease, so he can still die from any competitor,
also, after 1 year, NO ONE wins, so he does not become a god since he didn't kill anyone before one year and so, dies anyway to the time limit.
On October 03 2012 10:25 BrokenMirage wrote: If DeathNote guy is incredibly quick witted, has an encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, and has nerves of steel, he can guarantee himself a victory using this plan.
As soon as he comes out of the dream, he instantly writes in his Death Note his own name and as cause of death a disease that has an incubation period of over a year (note : for those who haven't read the manga or seen the anime, diseases do not obey the 23 day rule, and make the person die at an adequate time according to the disease). As he must die of this disease, and dying before the end of the year is impossible, he is guaranteed to live more than one year. After this he needs to destroy the death note (I'll explain why later).
Therefore, it is impossible for him to die under any circumstances before the end of the time period for the disease. The other competitors absolutely cannot kill him in anyway, and he cannot die at the end of the year, meaning that all the other competitors must therefore die within the year.
If he acts fast enough, Ground Hog guy, and Omniscient guy (who both can gain knowledge of this using their powers) cannot possibly phone Teleport guy fast enough at the start of a new cycle, to get him to kill Deathnote guy before he writes this down. Also if Deathnote guy destroys the death note fast enough, teleport guy won't get there in time to modify the conditions of death in the death note (if it wasn't destroyed, and teleport guy got there within 6 min and 40 s, teleport guy could modify the conditions of death and make them impossible, thereby causing Deathnote guy to die at the end of the 6 min and 40 s).
At that point, Deathnote guy is assured of victory, and he can just chill for the rest of the year, knowing that all the others will die. He will then die of the disease at the prescribed amount of time, and the Deus Ex Machina will turn him into a God.
That's how Deathnote guy can guarantee himself a victory.
no, he dies 23 days later from a heart attack.
I also think DN will win, but that is because he can mind-control anyone for 23 days by writing something like: XXXXX will obey every order I give to him, until he dies by a heart attack 23 days later.
the DN guy can get a lot of people to help protect him and help track down the others.
also, the hints that everyone left from the year before the Dream, will allow every one of competitors to eventually discover who you need to kill, but it does not help tracking down where your target is now (after the dream), the DN guy only need to know who he needs to kill, he does not need to know where they are.
Read the Death Note Rules-
How to Use: XXVIII
If you write, “die of disease” like before with a specific disease’s name, but without a specific time, if it takes more than 24 days for the human to die the 23-day rule will not take effect and the human will die at an adequate time depending on the disease.
he does not become immortal if you write die of disease, so he can still die from any competitor,
also, after 1 year, NO ONE wins, so he does not become a god since he didn't kill anyone before one year and so, dies anyway from the disease.
Once your death is written in the death note, you will die in such a way, unless your conditions of death violate some other rules of the death note in which case you will die of a heart attack. Also, the other competitors will die within the year, since if they did not, he couldn't possibly survive past the end of the year.
Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote: Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.
Wow, you just solved 17 pages of discussion on 2 lines. It's over here, this one was tough right guys?
I must have missed the part where DN dude makes someone immortal to alternate ways of killing. That´s straight out of the anime, right?
It would be awesome if the full Death Note ruleset can be added to the OP, especially if it makes people immortal. Because if he can do that, he can brute force a tie, making him the only possible winner.
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote: Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.
Wow, you just solved 17 pages of discussion on 2 lines. It's over here, this one was tough right guys?
Problem is 1 year test period and powers being given to "random" people.
We can pretty much assume groundhog guy can identify every other opponent and has an insane amount of knowledge about how this all works. He can spend 20 years worth of time getting intel and planning alone, and only have used 20% of his "time". Realistically he can burn at least a few resets without anyone winning and ending the cycle.
Couldn't Deathnote guy just hide his ass really well until the very end then write his name down lets say 1 day before the 1 year is up therefore killing all the others but making him immune to the "everyone dies in 1 year rule" since he could just write down "I die 2 days from now" and thus making him a god and therefore above his own demise by the time the time comes for him to die?
On October 03 2012 10:25 BrokenMirage wrote: If DeathNote guy is incredibly quick witted, has an encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, and has nerves of steel, he can guarantee himself a victory using this plan.
As soon as he comes out of the dream, he instantly writes in his Death Note his own name and as cause of death a disease that has an incubation period of over a year (note : for those who haven't read the manga or seen the anime, diseases do not obey the 23 day rule, and make the person die at an adequate time according to the disease). As he must die of this disease, and dying before the end of the year is impossible, he is guaranteed to live more than one year. After this he needs to destroy the death note (I'll explain why later).
Therefore, it is impossible for him to die under any circumstances before the end of the time period for the disease. The other competitors absolutely cannot kill him in anyway, and he cannot die at the end of the year, meaning that all the other competitors must therefore die within the year.
If he acts fast enough, Ground Hog guy, and Omniscient guy (who both can gain knowledge of this using their powers) cannot possibly phone Teleport guy fast enough at the start of a new cycle, to get him to kill Deathnote guy before he writes this down. Also if Deathnote guy destroys the death note fast enough, teleport guy won't get there in time to modify the conditions of death in the death note (if it wasn't destroyed, and teleport guy got there within 6 min and 40 s, teleport guy could modify the conditions of death and make them impossible, thereby causing Deathnote guy to die at the end of the 6 min and 40 s).
At that point, Deathnote guy is assured of victory, and he can just chill for the rest of the year, knowing that all the others will die. He will then die of the disease at the prescribed amount of time, and the Deus Ex Machina will turn him into a God.
That's how Deathnote guy can guarantee himself a victory.
no, he dies 23 days later from a heart attack.
I also think DN will win, but that is because he can mind-control anyone for 23 days by writing something like: XXXXX will obey every order I give to him, until he dies by a heart attack 23 days later.
the DN guy can get a lot of people to help protect him and help track down the others.
also, the hints that everyone left from the year before the Dream, will allow every one of competitors to eventually discover who you need to kill, but it does not help tracking down where your target is now (after the dream), the DN guy only need to know who he needs to kill, he does not need to know where they are.
If you write, “die of disease” like before with a specific disease’s name, but without a specific time, if it takes more than 24 days for the human to die the 23-day rule will not take effect and the human will die at an adequate time depending on the disease.
So DN guy could give himself something like HIV (Edit: Not AIDS) that would take many years to kill him, guaranteeing a longish life?
To summarize my previous post which many people no doubt glanced at and thought tl;dr.
Deathnote guy can write his own name in it, and specify the cause of death as an illness that takes more than a year to kill a healthy person (bypassing the 23-day-rule using the rules involving diseases). Therefore he cannot die before then, making sure that other competitors cannot kill him, and also that they will all die within the year, since if they didn't he would die at the end of they year. All the other details were counters to attacks trying to kill him before he finished establishing his pseudo-immortality for the year.
On October 03 2012 11:36 BrokenMirage wrote: To summarize my previous post which many people no doubt glanced at and thought tl;dr.
Deathnote guy can write his own name in it, and specify the cause of death as an illness that takes more than a year to kill a healthy person (bypassing the 23-day-rule using the rules involving diseases). Therefore he cannot die before then, making sure that other competitors cannot kill him, and also that they will all die within the year, since if they didn't he would die at the end of they year. All the other details were counters to attacks trying to kill him before he finished establishing his pseudo-immortality for the year.
Deathnote guys becomes god.
Where's the clause saying the only way for a guy die after his name is wrote on DN is by DN's power? I'm pretty sure Raito would have written his name before Ryuk if he had the chance of doing it.
Omniscient guy asks, "what do I do to win this game?" Finds out. Follows protocol. Wins.
No free will.
On October 03 2012 11:36 BrokenMirage wrote: To summarize my previous post which many people no doubt glanced at and thought tl;dr.
Deathnote guy can write his own name in it, and specify the cause of death as an illness that takes more than a year to kill a healthy person (bypassing the 23-day-rule using the rules involving diseases). Therefore he cannot die before then, making sure that other competitors cannot kill him, and also that they will all die within the year, since if they didn't he would die at the end of they year. All the other details were counters to attacks trying to kill him before he finished establishing his pseudo-immortality for the year.
Deathnote guys becomes god.
A death note does not provide you assurance of life before the time of death, it only ensures that if you are alive up to that moment, you will die as specified at that time. Additionally, you did not bypass the 23 day rule, since the death is what must be specified, and cannot be specified more than 23 days ahead of time... so in any case, one would not be able to use the ability to have someone die slowly of cancer or some illness that would take longer than 23 days.
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote: Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.
A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:
Day 1: Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.
Day 2: With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)
Omni kills everyone by day 2.
However, should omni not know anything, he will just need to ask the following questions: 'Are there anyone else given special powers like me' 'What are their powers' 'What does power X does'
It still leads to the same conclusion, except it would probably take 8 days more than usual.
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote: Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.
A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:
Day 1: Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.
Day 2: With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)
On October 03 2012 11:36 BrokenMirage wrote: To summarize my previous post which many people no doubt glanced at and thought tl;dr.
Deathnote guy can write his own name in it, and specify the cause of death as an illness that takes more than a year to kill a healthy person (bypassing the 23-day-rule using the rules involving diseases). Therefore he cannot die before then, making sure that other competitors cannot kill him, and also that they will all die within the year, since if they didn't he would die at the end of they year. All the other details were counters to attacks trying to kill him before he finished establishing his pseudo-immortality for the year.
Deathnote guys becomes god.
A death note does not provide you assurance of life before the time of death, it only ensures that if you are alive up to that moment, you will die as specified at that time. Additionally, you did not bypass the 23 day rule, since the death is what must be specified, and cannot be specified more than 23 days ahead of time... so in any case, one would not be able to use the ability to have someone die slowly of cancer or some illness that would take longer than 23 days.
First of all about the 23-day-rule
How to Use: XXVIII
If you write, “die of disease” like before with a specific disease’s name, but without a specific time, if it takes more than 24 days for the human to die the 23-day rule will not take effect and the human will die at an adequate time depending on the disease.
These are the official death note rules.
For the assurance of life before time of death, the rules aren't entirely clear. In the second film L stops himself from being killed using the death note by writing his name in it beforehand. It really depends on the Deathnote guy's original lifespan, since
How to Use: LVI
In the Death Note, you cannot set the death date longer than the victim’s original life span. Even if the victim’s death is set in the Death Note beyond his/her original life span, the victim will die before the set time.
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote: Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.
A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:
Day 1: Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.
Day 2: With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)
Omni kills everyone by day 2.
This plan falls for GDH though.
Problem is, everyone dies on the 2nd day should it goes to plan, and ghg will only get to recall how he died on the second day, nothing more. Unless, within those bazillions of retries he had, he managed to kill either the omni guy or dn guy, otherwise he still dies continuously on the second day of world reset.
Argh this new Death Note immortality crap needs to go. No crazy loopholes to cheat the scenario.
So I've seen a few other people say it before, as have I; Can't omni guy figure out where the death note is and use that to kill the other guys. That seems to be the best strategy so far I think. Ground Hog guy still confuses me a bit so won't say too much on him. Also lol at the crazy other strats I've seen. GHG hiding in a hole for the last 3 days haha.
Also are the death god eyes allowed? I had a feeling that they weren't, just the Death Note itself. I'm gonna say shinigami eyes not allowed.
On October 03 2012 11:36 BrokenMirage wrote: To summarize my previous post which many people no doubt glanced at and thought tl;dr.
Deathnote guy can write his own name in it, and specify the cause of death as an illness that takes more than a year to kill a healthy person (bypassing the 23-day-rule using the rules involving diseases). Therefore he cannot die before then, making sure that other competitors cannot kill him, and also that they will all die within the year, since if they didn't he would die at the end of they year. All the other details were counters to attacks trying to kill him before he finished establishing his pseudo-immortality for the year.
Deathnote guys becomes god.
Where's the clause saying the only way for a guy die after his name is wrote on DN is by DN's power? I'm pretty sure Raito would have written his name before Ryuk if he had the chance of doing it.
Your point is invalid. If you've read the manga, or seen the anime Raito never had the opportunity to write his own name in the Death Note after Ryuk announced that he would kill Raito. Also, Raito wanted to rule as God to a world free of evil people for as long as possible, and would not shorten his lifespan for anything
On October 03 2012 12:03 Epishade wrote: Argh this new Death Note immortality crap needs to go. No crazy loopholes to cheat the scenario.
So I've seen a few other people say it before, as have I; Can't omni guy figure out where the death note is and use that to kill the other guys. That seems to be the best strategy so far I think. Ground Hog guy still confuses me a bit so won't say too much on him. Also lol at the crazy other strats I've seen. GHG hiding in a hole for the last 3 days haha.
Also are the death god eyes allowed? I had a feeling that they weren't, just the Death Note itself. I'm gonna say shinigami eyes not allowed.
Its part of death note itself, so technically it is allowed. So is the floating death god beside him
So is the power of DN guy his own power or the power of a book he carries with him that can be stolen? Because that makes him the most vulnerable of them all, giving anyone who finds him 2 supwerpowers and assuring victory.
I'm amazed how this discussion shifted away from GHG vs omniscience guy to the deathnote guy. I still think that GHG has a pretty good shot since he has a lot of retries, even if he doesn't have any other superpowers.
I still go with the omni guy who will win if he hasn't revealed his ID throughout the past year of preparation through bragging around how rich he is.
Although DN could be a hard nut to crack through mindcontroling a ton of people.
Omniscient guy can find the rest. I'd say he'd win.
But deathnote could put his name in the book to die within 24 days and then keep erasing his name every day. Then omniscient guy can capture deathnote guy, and lock him in a basement, and make sure he dies however he wrote his method of dying a few days later assuming he can't use the book(orgy from a list of celebrities).
If teleportation guy or freeze time guy or groundhog guy could somehow figure out a way to kill everyone in the civilized world within a few days, then they might be able to win. I don't see it happening though.
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote: Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.
A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:
Day 1: Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.
Day 2: With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)
Omni kills everyone by day 2.
However, should omni not know anything, he will just need to ask the following questions: 'Are there anyone else given special powers like me' 'What are their powers' 'What does power X does'
It still leads to the same conclusion, except it would probably take 8 days more than usual.
Player #4 has to be way more careful then that. It wouldn't be quite that simple. First of all, just knowing where DN is located doesn't mean you can just waltz over to his country and kill him. DN realizes that #4 and 5 are his primary threats and he will surely be on the look out. DN can easily prolong your arrival by at least a week, and you will need at least 5 questions answered anyway to be able to kill him without a large threat of being killed yourself.
If you choose to take this route and completely ignore #5, you will now have to deal with someone who has essentially performed almost the perfect actions for the first 3 days. This would potentially include allying with DN and setting up your death to occur within 5 minutes of the start of day one. This is assuming that #4 acts quickly and "kills DN" during #5's timeloop, thereby leaving a track for #5 to follow regarding his identity, which #5 can then use to have DN kill #4 before #4 even has a chance to ask one question.
tl dr: There is no simple way for omni to win that quickly.
On October 03 2012 12:31 obesechicken13 wrote: Omniscient guy can find the rest. I'd say he'd win.
But deathnote could put his name in the book to die within 24 days and then keep erasing his name every day. Then omniscient guy can capture deathnote guy, and lock him in a basement, and make sure he dies however he wrote his method of dying a few days later assuming he can't use the book(orgy from a list of celebrities).
If teleportation guy or freeze time guy or groundhog guy could somehow figure out a way to kill everyone in the civilized world within a few days, then they might be able to win. I don't see it happening though.
On October 03 2012 12:31 obesechicken13 wrote: Omniscient guy can find the rest. I'd say he'd win.
But deathnote could put his name in the book to die within 24 days and then keep erasing his name every day. Then omniscient guy can capture deathnote guy, and lock him in a basement, and make sure he dies however he wrote his method of dying a few days later assuming he can't use the book(orgy from a list of celebrities).
If teleportation guy or freeze time guy or groundhog guy could somehow figure out a way to kill everyone in the civilized world within a few days, then they might be able to win. I don't see it happening though.
Erasing the name doesn't allow you to live.
Aww.
Was that in the manga?
Also how long would it take deathnote guy to kill everyone in the civilized world? My rough estimate is way too long.
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote: Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.
A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:
Day 1: Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.
Day 2: With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)
Omni kills everyone by day 2.
However, should omni not know anything, he will just need to ask the following questions: 'Are there anyone else given special powers like me' 'What are their powers' 'What does power X does'
It still leads to the same conclusion, except it would probably take 8 days more than usual.
Player #4 has to be way more careful then that. It wouldn't be quite that simple. First of all, just knowing where DN is located doesn't mean you can just waltz over to his country and kill him. DN realizes that #4 and 5 are his primary threats and he will surely be on the look out. DN can easily prolong your arrival by at least a week, and you will need at least 5 questions answered anyway to be able to kill him without a large threat of being killed yourself.
If you choose to take this route and completely ignore #5, you will now have to deal with someone who has essentially performed almost the perfect actions for the first 3 days. This would potentially include allying with DN and setting up your death to occur within 5 minutes of the start of day one. This is assuming that #4 acts quickly and "kills DN" during #5's timeloop, thereby leaving a track for #5 to follow regarding his identity, which #5 can then use to have DN kill #4 before #4 even has a chance to ask one question.
tl dr: There is no simple way for omni to win that quickly.
And that is purely theoritical. Dn guy would not kill random strangers who walk past him, so omni could very well stab him in the back when he comes out of his hidey hole, should he have one. Also, assuming omni executed it perfectly, ghg will never find dn or the others as he would be dead by the first week. One week isnt a long time to fins a needle in a haystack. Even if he tried to, a restarted world would mean everyone will operate differently, not the same. Also, should the superpowers be given to random INTELLIGENT people, then... nobody except a super lucky dn guy or a super lucky ghg uy guy would have a chance to win.
well...groundhog guy could draw obvious attention to him in many of his cycles to try and lure the others out to kill him, in order to catch a glimpse of them in his very last seconds or smth, but of course that would lead to him facing incredible pain time and time again...he might grow tired of it.
on the other hand, if the others are smart theyd know that if any of them would try something like this, it can only be GHG with his cycle activated. but then again, he got so many tries, he can be subtle...
teleport guy probably has the hardest time. if at least he would have an automated safe teleport, that activates right when he is about to get killed (not sure how to implement for the death note)
Omniscient guy can't win, because everyone would shoot themselves with a voice appearing inside their head telling truths to questions you think you want to know.
On October 03 2012 12:55 Dracolich70 wrote: Omniscient guy can't win, because everyone would shoot themselves with a voice appearing inside their head telling truths to questions you think you want to know.
its one question per day, and he chooses the question. I don't know about you, but personally i would have the self control to NOT ask the hard questions.
On October 03 2012 12:31 obesechicken13 wrote: Omniscient guy can find the rest. I'd say he'd win.
But deathnote could put his name in the book to die within 24 days and then keep erasing his name every day. Then omniscient guy can capture deathnote guy, and lock him in a basement, and make sure he dies however he wrote his method of dying a few days later assuming he can't use the book(orgy from a list of celebrities).
If teleportation guy or freeze time guy or groundhog guy could somehow figure out a way to kill everyone in the civilized world within a few days, then they might be able to win. I don't see it happening though.
Erasing the name doesn't allow you to live.
Aww.
Was that in the manga?
Also how long would it take deathnote guy to kill everyone in the civilized world? My rough estimate is way too long.
Lets assume he had the names of everyone on the planet. We will assume 1 pencil can write the name, date and circumstances of death for 300 people. So he would need 23,333,333 pencils to do it. one page of A4 paper could probably hold 20 lots of the name, date etc so he would need 350,000,000 pages of A4 paper.
If he wrote constantly, taking about 15 seconds to write each one..... 129,629.62 years or as you put it..... way too long ;p
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote: Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.
A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:
Day 1: Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.
Day 2: With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)
Omni kills everyone by day 2.
However, should omni not know anything, he will just need to ask the following questions: 'Are there anyone else given special powers like me' 'What are their powers' 'What does power X does'
It still leads to the same conclusion, except it would probably take 8 days more than usual.
Player #4 has to be way more careful then that. It wouldn't be quite that simple. First of all, just knowing where DN is located doesn't mean you can just waltz over to his country and kill him. DN realizes that #4 and 5 are his primary threats and he will surely be on the look out. DN can easily prolong your arrival by at least a week, and you will need at least 5 questions answered anyway to be able to kill him without a large threat of being killed yourself.
If you choose to take this route and completely ignore #5, you will now have to deal with someone who has essentially performed almost the perfect actions for the first 3 days. This would potentially include allying with DN and setting up your death to occur within 5 minutes of the start of day one. This is assuming that #4 acts quickly and "kills DN" during #5's timeloop, thereby leaving a track for #5 to follow regarding his identity, which #5 can then use to have DN kill #4 before #4 even has a chance to ask one question.
tl dr: There is no simple way for omni to win that quickly.
And that is purely theoritical. Dn guy would not kill random strangers who walk past him, so omni could very well stab him in the back when he comes out of his hidey hole, should he have one. Also, assuming omni executed it perfectly, ghg will never find dn or the others as he would be dead by the first week. One week isnt a long time to fins a needle in a haystack. Even if he tried to, a restarted world would mean everyone will operate differently, not the same. Also, should the superpowers be given to random INTELLIGENT people, then... nobody except a super lucky dn guy or a super lucky ghg uy guy would have a chance to win.
I was under the impression that once #5 initiates his time loop the world restarts exactly the same way it was 3 days ago every three days. Not that everyone operated differently. My point was that if #4 makes a large move (such as killing DN) while #5 has his timeloop going, his attempt will fail if he doesn't ask detailed questions regarding #5. This is because #5 has 100 years of the exact same scenario occurring, and when you get to play detective and relive the crime scene over 12,000 times regardless if you die, you will find the murderer. #4 needs to be careful about when he makes a large move that has even the slightest chance of revealing his whereabouts. I would be interested in hearing what your first 5 questions would be if you were #4, because I can't think of any that would put him in a sure win scenario.
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote: Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.
A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:
Day 1: Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.
Day 2: With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)
Omni kills everyone by day 2.
However, should omni not know anything, he will just need to ask the following questions: 'Are there anyone else given special powers like me' 'What are their powers' 'What does power X does'
It still leads to the same conclusion, except it would probably take 8 days more than usual.
Player #4 has to be way more careful then that. It wouldn't be quite that simple. First of all, just knowing where DN is located doesn't mean you can just waltz over to his country and kill him. DN realizes that #4 and 5 are his primary threats and he will surely be on the look out. DN can easily prolong your arrival by at least a week, and you will need at least 5 questions answered anyway to be able to kill him without a large threat of being killed yourself.
If you choose to take this route and completely ignore #5, you will now have to deal with someone who has essentially performed almost the perfect actions for the first 3 days. This would potentially include allying with DN and setting up your death to occur within 5 minutes of the start of day one. This is assuming that #4 acts quickly and "kills DN" during #5's timeloop, thereby leaving a track for #5 to follow regarding his identity, which #5 can then use to have DN kill #4 before #4 even has a chance to ask one question.
tl dr: There is no simple way for omni to win that quickly.
And that is purely theoritical. Dn guy would not kill random strangers who walk past him, so omni could very well stab him in the back when he comes out of his hidey hole, should he have one. Also, assuming omni executed it perfectly, ghg will never find dn or the others as he would be dead by the first week. One week isnt a long time to fins a needle in a haystack. Even if he tried to, a restarted world would mean everyone will operate differently, not the same. Also, should the superpowers be given to random INTELLIGENT people, then... nobody except a super lucky dn guy or a super lucky ghg uy guy would have a chance to win.
I was under the impression that once #5 initiates his time loop the world restarts exactly the same way it was 3 days ago every three days. Not that everyone operated differently. My point was that if #4 makes a large move (such as killing DN) while #5 has his timeloop going, his attempt will fail if he doesn't ask detailed questions regarding #5. This is because #5 has 100 years of the exact same scenario occurring, and when you get to play detective and relive the crime scene over 12,000 times regardless if you die, you will find the murderer. #4 needs to be careful about when he makes a large move that has even the slightest chance of revealing his whereabouts. I would be interested in hearing what your first 5 questions would be if you were #4, because I can't think of any that would put him in a sure win scenario.
Day 1 - Where can I hide, within the next 24 hours that is accessible to me but nobody will ever be able to find me. Day 2 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero X Day 3 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero Y Day 4 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero Z Day 5 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero A
Making sure to pick up supplies for recording all this information while on your way to your hiding hole.
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote: Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.
A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:
Day 1: Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.
Day 2: With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)
Omni kills everyone by day 2.
However, should omni not know anything, he will just need to ask the following questions: 'Are there anyone else given special powers like me' 'What are their powers' 'What does power X does'
It still leads to the same conclusion, except it would probably take 8 days more than usual.
Player #4 has to be way more careful then that. It wouldn't be quite that simple. First of all, just knowing where DN is located doesn't mean you can just waltz over to his country and kill him. DN realizes that #4 and 5 are his primary threats and he will surely be on the look out. DN can easily prolong your arrival by at least a week, and you will need at least 5 questions answered anyway to be able to kill him without a large threat of being killed yourself.
If you choose to take this route and completely ignore #5, you will now have to deal with someone who has essentially performed almost the perfect actions for the first 3 days. This would potentially include allying with DN and setting up your death to occur within 5 minutes of the start of day one. This is assuming that #4 acts quickly and "kills DN" during #5's timeloop, thereby leaving a track for #5 to follow regarding his identity, which #5 can then use to have DN kill #4 before #4 even has a chance to ask one question.
tl dr: There is no simple way for omni to win that quickly.
And that is purely theoritical. Dn guy would not kill random strangers who walk past him, so omni could very well stab him in the back when he comes out of his hidey hole, should he have one. Also, assuming omni executed it perfectly, ghg will never find dn or the others as he would be dead by the first week. One week isnt a long time to fins a needle in a haystack. Even if he tried to, a restarted world would mean everyone will operate differently, not the same. Also, should the superpowers be given to random INTELLIGENT people, then... nobody except a super lucky dn guy or a super lucky ghg uy guy would have a chance to win.
I was under the impression that once #5 initiates his time loop the world restarts exactly the same way it was 3 days ago every three days. Not that everyone operated differently. My point was that if #4 makes a large move (such as killing DN) while #5 has his timeloop going, his attempt will fail if he doesn't ask detailed questions regarding #5. This is because #5 has 100 years of the exact same scenario occurring, and when you get to play detective and relive the crime scene over 12,000 times regardless if you die, you will find the murderer. #4 needs to be careful about when he makes a large move that has even the slightest chance of revealing his whereabouts. I would be interested in hearing what your first 5 questions would be if you were #4, because I can't think of any that would put him in a sure win scenario.
Day 1 - Where can I hide, within the next 24 hours that is accessible to me but nobody will ever be able to find me. Day 2 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero X Day 3 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero Y Day 4 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero Z Day 5 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero A
Making sure to pick up supplies for recording all this information while on your way to your hiding hole.
you waste day 2, the voice describes EVERYTHING about them, from penis size to how many times they have clipped their toenails in their lifetime.
Certainly a long shot, but would it be possible for time freeze guy to use his powers to launch nuclear weapons? The nuclear launch briefcase (the "football") has to stay with the President of the United States. I would assume the launch codes are written down somewhere. Would 5 hours be enough to figure out how to work the thing and nuke every major city in the world? Could the President/Generals cancel the launches when they figure out that their nukes are being launched for seemingly no reason? We're also not sure how the guy is able to interact with the world during the time freeze (do computers still work)?
Ironically, in such a scenario, the teleport guy would have the best chance of surviving.
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote: Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.
A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:
Day 1: Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.
Day 2: With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)
Omni kills everyone by day 2.
However, should omni not know anything, he will just need to ask the following questions: 'Are there anyone else given special powers like me' 'What are their powers' 'What does power X does'
It still leads to the same conclusion, except it would probably take 8 days more than usual.
Player #4 has to be way more careful then that. It wouldn't be quite that simple. First of all, just knowing where DN is located doesn't mean you can just waltz over to his country and kill him. DN realizes that #4 and 5 are his primary threats and he will surely be on the look out. DN can easily prolong your arrival by at least a week, and you will need at least 5 questions answered anyway to be able to kill him without a large threat of being killed yourself.
If you choose to take this route and completely ignore #5, you will now have to deal with someone who has essentially performed almost the perfect actions for the first 3 days. This would potentially include allying with DN and setting up your death to occur within 5 minutes of the start of day one. This is assuming that #4 acts quickly and "kills DN" during #5's timeloop, thereby leaving a track for #5 to follow regarding his identity, which #5 can then use to have DN kill #4 before #4 even has a chance to ask one question.
tl dr: There is no simple way for omni to win that quickly.
And that is purely theoritical. Dn guy would not kill random strangers who walk past him, so omni could very well stab him in the back when he comes out of his hidey hole, should he have one. Also, assuming omni executed it perfectly, ghg will never find dn or the others as he would be dead by the first week. One week isnt a long time to fins a needle in a haystack. Even if he tried to, a restarted world would mean everyone will operate differently, not the same. Also, should the superpowers be given to random INTELLIGENT people, then... nobody except a super lucky dn guy or a super lucky ghg uy guy would have a chance to win.
I was under the impression that once #5 initiates his time loop the world restarts exactly the same way it was 3 days ago every three days. Not that everyone operated differently. My point was that if #4 makes a large move (such as killing DN) while #5 has his timeloop going, his attempt will fail if he doesn't ask detailed questions regarding #5. This is because #5 has 100 years of the exact same scenario occurring, and when you get to play detective and relive the crime scene over 12,000 times regardless if you die, you will find the murderer. #4 needs to be careful about when he makes a large move that has even the slightest chance of revealing his whereabouts. I would be interested in hearing what your first 5 questions would be if you were #4, because I can't think of any that would put him in a sure win scenario.
Well, even a million times of you walking out in the street and you randomly dying, you will still never know your true cause of death.
Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get' Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed. Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others. Day 3, i would ask about dn power. Assuming its exactly like the manga/anime's, i would have known everything about it, including the shinigami eye. I would plan to get his dn first. Day 4, i ask about the location and proceeds to kill him. He would have been trying to kill others and be oblivious about me. Day 5. 'Tell me where i can get all the pictures of the remaining others'. I trade half lifespan for shinigami eyes, obtain those pictures and murder the rest. All these while #1 is using his powers to steal, rob and play, #2 exploring the world and #5 walking around and then suddenly dying.
So what does the "impossible death" rule for death note guy really mean? Technically, couldnt he use the conditionality of the death to force out the others?
Say that random civilian dies, killed by a falling video camera that just recently filmed and broadcasted the name and face of voice guy (edit: "a man who can predict the future from a voice in his mind) on TV?
Or random civilian 2 died from a man that accidentally teleported into them?
Those would be possible circumstances and as long as you know where the civilian is, you can know where the cause of their death will be as well.
Omi guy basically gets free info on everyone. All he has to do is get to DN guy asap and kill him, then its over as he can just ask for the info on the others and gg them.
On October 03 2012 13:27 Fenris420 wrote: So what does the "impossible death" rule for death note guy really mean? Technically, couldnt he use the conditionality of the death to force out the others?
Say that random civilian dies, killed by a falling video camera that just recently filmed and broadcasted the name and face of voice guy on TV?
Or random civilian 2 died from a man that accidentally teleported into them?
Those would be possible circumstances and as long as you know where the civilian is, you can know where the cause of their death will be as well.
the 1 year rule applies, if there is no victor in 365 days they ALL die. (The god who gave him the death note, is probably more powerful than the death note itself jussayin) 1) Death note knows this 2) he is intelligent 3) He deduces if he tries this and DOESNT manage to kill everyone, he loses worse than if he were to just die 4) He wont attempt to prolong his life for the 365 day period with the death note.
On October 03 2012 13:23 B1nary wrote: Certainly a long shot, but would it be possible for time freeze guy to use his powers to launch nuclear weapons? The nuclear launch briefcase (the "football") has to stay with the President of the United States. I would assume the launch codes are written down somewhere. Would 5 hours be enough to figure out how to work the thing and nuke every major city in the world? Could the President/Generals cancel the launches when they figure out that their nukes are being launched for seemingly no reason? We're also not sure how the guy is able to interact with the world during the time freeze (do computers still work)?
Ironically, in such a scenario, the teleport guy would have the best chance of surviving.
Well, the teleport guy is forced to teleport back after the prescribed 5 hours, which means that if he had to teleport away, he will appear in a radioactive wasteland and die of radiation poisoning.
guys 1 and 3 all have supernatural killing powers.
guys 1 and 2 have defensive mechanisms that can prevent others from killing them easily.
guy 5 has the greatest advantage in that he can immediately start the groundhog day and that guy 4 will only be able to ask 3 questions; guy 4s' advantages increase exponentially with the number of days that pass due to the number of questions he may ask.
guy 3 (death note guy) can be rendered useless in that by using fake names/identities he will never be able to kill the other 4. guy 2 can be killed once that it is found out he must return to his exact spot within 1 day of teleportation.
guy 5 has a major advantage in that so long as he survives day 1, he gets 100 years of time to find and kill the others. his major disadvantage would be that he must find and kill all other 4 guys within the 3 days (however, it can be achieved much more easily if he allied with guy 2; guy 5 can do a "test" cycle by seeing if guy 2 would be willing or if he can be tricked, by offering guy 2 resurrection once guy 5 is a god and seeing if guy 2 would kill him)
guy 4 would only have the ability to ask 3 questions within these 100 years of 3 days
guy 1 will never be able to be killed by normal means (assuming that he mastered the ability of time freeze), so the only possible way to kill him would be to obtain his identity and the death note (which can only be done by guy 4)
I think that only guy 5 and guy 4 have the ability to win, guy 5 can find out all the details of the abilities of the other four guys within the 100 years to know how to kill them, whereas guy 4 needs to ask the right question to kill guy 5 on the first day to win the game.
On October 03 2012 13:24 HaruRH wrote:
Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get' Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed. Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others.
so long as guy 5 doesn't die on the first day of the cycle, he gets to live out the rest of the cycles. and if you kill him, he would remember you and be able to identify you in his next cycle to kill you.
We need to have a moderated thread where we act this out. Form a strategical team for each hero and have someone impartial determine the events of each day.
Day 1 Time Freezer: Korean. Freezes time for 5 hours a day to have time to think. Get's increasingly bored and frustrated. Teleport Guy: Australian. Abuses his teleport ability to mess with people, he doesn't know how it will help while he doesn't know where the other's are. Decides to save time on traveling with it. Death Note Guy: Japanese. Can't do anything, tries to research, comes up with nothing. Omniscient: British. Asks what powers the other guys have. Now he knows if he's safe. He is, for now. He still doesn't know their locations, so he hides until tomorrow. GHG: American. Relives the same days trying to figure out where they are with research, comes up with nothing.
Day 2 Omniscient: Asks for the home locations of the others. He is definitely safe, and decides to get on a plane and go after Death Note Guy.
The Others still have no leads.
Day 3 Omniscient: Asks where Death Note is more specifically to have an easier time finding him now that he's near his apartment. He stalks Death Note and tries to sneaky kill him. He kills him after a long struggle, but has his face caught on camera. The others see Omniscient guy on the news.
Death Note guy dead*
Teleport Guy: Finally getting a lead, he quickly googles the location of the murder. The news doesn't say specifically, but he finds the name of the building and teleports there with a gun. He sees the broken window of the apartment. He runs in, finds Omniscient with the Death Note and shoots him.
Omniscient guy dead*
Time Freezer: Lives in Korea and sees that Death Note's murder was in Japan. Knowing Omniscient is there, he takes a short trip to Japan. Arrives and finds Teleport Guy at the building. Freezes time so he can't escape and kills him.
Teleport guy dead*
GHG: Already knew of the murders and events having already lived the 3 days and seen the news of the murders. Arrives at the perfect time and kills Time Freezer.
Time Freezer dead*
Groundhog Guy wins.
This game is a bit flawed as GHG can't lose. Even if he's killed, his ability to remember in the next cycle gives him more intel than Omniscient. The others have no way of killing all of their opponents and GHG in order to win by being the last one standing. All he has to do to win is wait during the first cycle, and make his trip during the second cycle to kill the last guy alive. However, there is an alternative solution written below in which Omniscient can win.
If Omniscient is rich, he hires assassins around the world to take out the 4 other contestants. All he has to is ask for their coordinates and then tell the assassins. He wins on day 1.
If he's not rich, he asks how to get rich. Hires assassins on day 2 and wins.
Omniscient wins because he is the last one standing.
Time travel messes this up too badly. If someone kills GHD and then goes on to win the game in that timeline, doesn't GHD just wake up the next day and have another shot anyway?
It's all about GHD. It sounds like the timeline outside the 3 days doesn't matter unless GHD has expended his cycles, so it's really all on him. You've basically just got to pray he doesn't work out how to win the game in 3 days before his cycles are up, because he has total control in that window.
Either that or we can end up with multiple gods in multiple timelines, where guy 4 (or whoever) kills GHD and wins, gets deified, and then GHD wakes up, wins a different round, gets deified as well. Did guy 4 win or not?
With everyone starting in different countries across the world there is no way they all find each other and kill each other in just 3 days. One guy can teleport three times during that period but he has NO CLUE where anyone is. One guy can ask where they are but there is no way he can travel the world with so much to do in just 3 days. GHG has no real ability so all he can do is just learn from the past and not actively find people. Deathnote guy will never even know what someones face looks like so his ability is uselss. Really its just a stalemate until the 100 years of groundhog day runs out.
I would say GHD wins easily. By the time his massive amount of cycles are up he will know exactly where everyone lives, what their first move will be and have practiced killing each of them in the same fashion at least a hundred times. He probably won't even need the 3 days.
On October 03 2012 13:51 saltywet wrote: guys 1 and 3 all have supernatural killing powers.
guys 1 and 2 have defensive mechanisms that can prevent others from killing them easily.
guy 5 has the greatest advantage in that he can immediately start the groundhog day and that guy 4 will only be able to ask 3 questions; guy 4s' advantages increase exponentially with the number of days that pass due to the number of questions he may ask.
guy 3 (death note guy) can be rendered useless in that by using fake names/identities he will never be able to kill the other 4. guy 2 can be killed once that it is found out he must return to his exact spot within 1 day of teleportation.
guy 5 has a major advantage in that so long as he survives day 1, he gets 100 years of time to find and kill the others. his major disadvantage would be that he must find and kill all other 4 guys within the 3 days (however, it can be achieved much more easily if he allied with guy 2; guy 5 can do a "test" cycle by seeing if guy 2 would be willing or if he can be tricked, by offering guy 2 resurrection once guy 5 is a god and seeing if guy 2 would kill him)
guy 4 would only have the ability to ask 3 questions within these 100 years of 3 days
guy 1 will never be able to be killed by normal means (assuming that he mastered the ability of time freeze), so the only possible way to kill him would be to obtain his identity and the death note (which can only be done by guy 4)
I think that only guy 5 and guy 4 have the ability to win, guy 5 can find out all the details of the abilities of the other four guys within the 100 years to know how to kill them, whereas guy 4 needs to ask the right question to kill guy 5 on the first day to win the game.
Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get' Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed. Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others.
so long as guy 5 doesn't die on the first day of the cycle, he gets to live out the rest of the cycles. and if you kill him, he would remember you and be able to identify you in his next cycle to kill you.
alternatively, the one way that the death note guy can indirectly kill the others is by committing mass genocide, by citing the cause of death for one person in each country barring his own: "immediate death by nationwide size 12 earthquake", only guy 2 would have the ability to survive this, but really, all of the main threats have been eliminated
In 100 years of trying, if the other 4 guys have left some evidence of their existence, he will find them. All he needs to do is find out their names and a picture of them (chances are their picture is on the internet somewhere, so he just has to remember a web address). Within 5 minutes of day 1 starting, deathnote guy is gonna get the name and a picture of Omniscient guy emailed to him, with a persuasive enough message to make him instantly kill off that guy. With GHD's only real competition out of the picture, he has the game in the bag.
Omniscient guy might have the knowledge, but with 5 minutes to act before deathnote guy kills him, there will be nothing he can do to stop it. If he asks "how can I survive today?" the answer will be "You can't"
On October 03 2012 14:49 Azzur wrote: This thread is missing a poll!
Quoted for truth.
I think the guy number 4 has the best chances as long as he realizes what the guy number 5 is doing and can benefit from the loop by asking "what did I learn in the previous cycle?
On October 03 2012 14:25 QzYSc2 wrote: dying every 3 days a painful death for over 100 years... ouch. if i was him i doubt i wouldn't even use my powers and be done with it.
Err...at no point is it implied that Bill Murray has to die a painful death. If he survives the 3 days he just wakes up at the start of first day.
Also I think when Omniguy had to get nerfed Groundhogguy may be overpowered with 12k retries. Maybe limit him to a more reasonable 1000 instead. That´s somewhere between 3 to 9 years of the exact same day over and over. I mean seriously, 100 years is just overkill. Lucky people live to get that old, but they are 50% of that time infantile or senile.
I put teleport guy. I know hes a dark horse but i have this whole badass scenario in my head about him zipping from bunkers to space stations to alpha centauri while dn assassinates world leaders to cause nuclear war and omniscience takes on groundhog in an epic century long spy game.
On October 03 2012 13:51 saltywet wrote: guys 1 and 3 all have supernatural killing powers.
guys 1 and 2 have defensive mechanisms that can prevent others from killing them easily.
guy 5 has the greatest advantage in that he can immediately start the groundhog day and that guy 4 will only be able to ask 3 questions; guy 4s' advantages increase exponentially with the number of days that pass due to the number of questions he may ask.
guy 3 (death note guy) can be rendered useless in that by using fake names/identities he will never be able to kill the other 4. guy 2 can be killed once that it is found out he must return to his exact spot within 1 day of teleportation.
guy 5 has a major advantage in that so long as he survives day 1, he gets 100 years of time to find and kill the others. his major disadvantage would be that he must find and kill all other 4 guys within the 3 days (however, it can be achieved much more easily if he allied with guy 2; guy 5 can do a "test" cycle by seeing if guy 2 would be willing or if he can be tricked, by offering guy 2 resurrection once guy 5 is a god and seeing if guy 2 would kill him)
guy 4 would only have the ability to ask 3 questions within these 100 years of 3 days
guy 1 will never be able to be killed by normal means (assuming that he mastered the ability of time freeze), so the only possible way to kill him would be to obtain his identity and the death note (which can only be done by guy 4)
I think that only guy 5 and guy 4 have the ability to win, guy 5 can find out all the details of the abilities of the other four guys within the 100 years to know how to kill them, whereas guy 4 needs to ask the right question to kill guy 5 on the first day to win the game.
Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get' Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed. Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others.
so long as guy 5 doesn't die on the first day of the cycle, he gets to live out the rest of the cycles. and if you kill him, he would remember you and be able to identify you in his next cycle to kill you.
You missed the next paragraph of my post. What I meant was, Omni guy takes out DN guy first, then use the death note to kill the remaining 3, without even needing to see them. He just need to see a picture of them, and they're dead.
Do you think that dying on the 5th day every cycle for whatever countless number of cycles he have, without any knowledge of how you died (he will have a heart attack randomly and die) would give him even 0.0000001% chance of winning the game? Nope.
On October 03 2012 14:40 Belisarius wrote: Time travel messes this up too badly. If someone kills GHD and then goes on to win the game in that timeline, doesn't GHD just wake up the next day and have another shot anyway?
It's all about GHD. It sounds like the timeline outside the 3 days doesn't matter unless GHD has expended his cycles, so it's really all on him. You've basically just got to pray he doesn't work out how to win the game in 3 days before his cycles are up, because he has total control in that window.
Either that or we can end up with multiple gods in multiple timelines, where guy 4 (or whoever) kills GHD and wins, gets deified, and then GHD wakes up, wins a different round, gets deified as well. Did guy 4 win or not?
What if he gets written in DN book on day 2 of the time cycle and never finds out, meaning he dies as soon as the cycle ends.
On October 03 2012 15:34 Fen2 wrote: GHD guy wins easy
In 100 years of trying, if the other 4 guys have left some evidence of their existence, he will find them. All he needs to do is find out their names and a picture of them (chances are their picture is on the internet somewhere, so he just has to remember a web address). Within 5 minutes of day 1 starting, deathnote guy is gonna get the name and a picture of Omniscient guy emailed to him, with a persuasive enough message to make him instantly kill off that guy. With GHD's only real competition out of the picture, he has the game in the bag.
Omniscient guy might have the knowledge, but with 5 minutes to act before deathnote guy kills him, there will be nothing he can do to stop it. If he asks "how can I survive today?" the answer will be "You can't"
I agree that GHG has a decent chance. But the within 5 minutes email makes no sense. He can't alter the preceding time whatsoever... Where would that email come from?
On October 03 2012 01:31 Diks wrote: You can't ask "who's stronger" and then apply balance patches to make sure the discussion never ends...
+1
4th wins hands down with original rules. Knowledge is power.
Edit: With one exception, and that is if GHD-guy revives even if they all die the same day. Cause in that case he wins 100%. There is no way someone would be too stupid to not win this game with a possible 12175*3 days to work with.
On October 03 2012 13:51 saltywet wrote: guys 1 and 3 all have supernatural killing powers.
guys 1 and 2 have defensive mechanisms that can prevent others from killing them easily.
guy 5 has the greatest advantage in that he can immediately start the groundhog day and that guy 4 will only be able to ask 3 questions; guy 4s' advantages increase exponentially with the number of days that pass due to the number of questions he may ask.
guy 3 (death note guy) can be rendered useless in that by using fake names/identities he will never be able to kill the other 4. guy 2 can be killed once that it is found out he must return to his exact spot within 1 day of teleportation.
guy 5 has a major advantage in that so long as he survives day 1, he gets 100 years of time to find and kill the others. his major disadvantage would be that he must find and kill all other 4 guys within the 3 days (however, it can be achieved much more easily if he allied with guy 2; guy 5 can do a "test" cycle by seeing if guy 2 would be willing or if he can be tricked, by offering guy 2 resurrection once guy 5 is a god and seeing if guy 2 would kill him)
guy 4 would only have the ability to ask 3 questions within these 100 years of 3 days
guy 1 will never be able to be killed by normal means (assuming that he mastered the ability of time freeze), so the only possible way to kill him would be to obtain his identity and the death note (which can only be done by guy 4)
I think that only guy 5 and guy 4 have the ability to win, guy 5 can find out all the details of the abilities of the other four guys within the 100 years to know how to kill them, whereas guy 4 needs to ask the right question to kill guy 5 on the first day to win the game.
On October 03 2012 13:24 HaruRH wrote:
Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get' Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed. Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others.
so long as guy 5 doesn't die on the first day of the cycle, he gets to live out the rest of the cycles. and if you kill him, he would remember you and be able to identify you in his next cycle to kill you.
You missed the next paragraph of my post. What I meant was, Omni guy takes out DN guy first, then use the death note to kill the remaining 3, without even needing to see them. He just need to see a picture of them, and they're dead.
Do you think that dying on the 5th day every cycle for whatever countless number of cycles he have, without any knowledge of how you died (he will have a heart attack randomly and die) would give him even 0.0000001% chance of winning the game? Nope.
how are you, as guy 4, going to find out all the information with 1 question? furthermore, at the beginning of the game no one has any idea what abilities the other guys have, the number of people involved, etc.
how is guy 4 (omni) going to find out: 1. abilities of the enemies 2. picture of each enemies' physical features 3. name of each enemy 4. location of each enemy 5. future movements of each enemy
with just one question? the only way guy 4 can win is random guess question which allows him to be able to kill guy 5 on the first day such as "what can I do to kill one of my enemies" and the omniscience happens to give him the ability to kill guy 5
his ability is to have an omniscience which gives him the true answer to one question, not to grant wishes, so if he asks for database online with details of his enemies he isn't going to get anything, since more likely than not prior to this game none of the guys are related to eachother, so no database will contain the information of all of the guys. you may get one database for one guy.
edit:
guy 3 (death note) can win if he commits mass genocide, otherwise guy 5 (GHG) will win. the others don't have a realistic probability of winning
In an effort to give teleport guy a fighting chance, I need these questions to the limits of his powers answered.
1) What is his teleport velocity? Does it exceed c (the speed of light). Can he teleport "instantly" to another location.
2) What is its range? Global? Interstellar? Infinite?
3) Does he conserve his momentum and kinetic energy upon teleporting?
4) What teleports with him? His body? His clothes? Anything hes holding?
He can definitely create an infinite energy loop if his momentum is conserved by continuing to fall and teleporting back to the original starting location. Not sure what good that would actually do him here but completely breaking one of the most fundamental laws of physics, energy conservation, generally leads to fun.
If he can teleport solid objects hes touching, He could simply teleport himself touching a 100,000 tonne Nimitz supercarrier into lower orbit on a trajectory to hit any of country holding a rival superpower holder. The resulting detonation would be measured in megatonnes, possibly gigatonnes. Not really any better than deathnote guy ordering all world leaders to unleash there nuclear arsenals on each other on day 1.
On October 03 2012 13:51 saltywet wrote: guys 1 and 3 all have supernatural killing powers.
guys 1 and 2 have defensive mechanisms that can prevent others from killing them easily.
guy 5 has the greatest advantage in that he can immediately start the groundhog day and that guy 4 will only be able to ask 3 questions; guy 4s' advantages increase exponentially with the number of days that pass due to the number of questions he may ask.
guy 3 (death note guy) can be rendered useless in that by using fake names/identities he will never be able to kill the other 4. guy 2 can be killed once that it is found out he must return to his exact spot within 1 day of teleportation.
guy 5 has a major advantage in that so long as he survives day 1, he gets 100 years of time to find and kill the others. his major disadvantage would be that he must find and kill all other 4 guys within the 3 days (however, it can be achieved much more easily if he allied with guy 2; guy 5 can do a "test" cycle by seeing if guy 2 would be willing or if he can be tricked, by offering guy 2 resurrection once guy 5 is a god and seeing if guy 2 would kill him)
guy 4 would only have the ability to ask 3 questions within these 100 years of 3 days
guy 1 will never be able to be killed by normal means (assuming that he mastered the ability of time freeze), so the only possible way to kill him would be to obtain his identity and the death note (which can only be done by guy 4)
I think that only guy 5 and guy 4 have the ability to win, guy 5 can find out all the details of the abilities of the other four guys within the 100 years to know how to kill them, whereas guy 4 needs to ask the right question to kill guy 5 on the first day to win the game.
On October 03 2012 13:24 HaruRH wrote:
Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get' Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed. Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others.
so long as guy 5 doesn't die on the first day of the cycle, he gets to live out the rest of the cycles. and if you kill him, he would remember you and be able to identify you in his next cycle to kill you.
You missed the next paragraph of my post. What I meant was, Omni guy takes out DN guy first, then use the death note to kill the remaining 3, without even needing to see them. He just need to see a picture of them, and they're dead.
Do you think that dying on the 5th day every cycle for whatever countless number of cycles he have, without any knowledge of how you died (he will have a heart attack randomly and die) would give him even 0.0000001% chance of winning the game? Nope.
how are you, as guy 4, going to find out all the information with 1 question? furthermore, at the beginning of the game no one has any idea what abilities the other guys have, the number of people involved, etc.
how is guy 4 (omni) going to find out: 1. abilities of the enemies 2. picture of each enemies' physical features 3. name of each enemy 4. location of each enemy 5. future movements of each enemy
with just one question? the only way guy 4 can win is random guess question which allows him to be able to kill guy 5 on the first day such as "what can I do to kill one of my enemies" and the omniscience happens to give him the ability to kill guy 5
his ability is to have an omniscience which gives him the true answer to one question, not to grant wishes, so if he asks for database online with details of his enemies he isn't going to get anything, since more likely than not prior to this game none of the guys are related to eachother, so no database will contain the information of all of the guys. you may get one database for one guy.
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guy 3 (death note) can win if he commits mass genocide, otherwise guy 5 (GHG) will win. the others don't have a realistic probability of winning
Lets analyse the OP properly before you ask theoritical questions.
GHG He gets to choose when his 3 days begin, but once it starts, he cannot stop it, he has to do the full time. he gets "100 years worth of days" before the time loop ends. however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time. (this is equivalent to 12'175 resets of the 3-day period) he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4"
The only way GHG have a chance to win is if he chooses the loop on the very first or second day of the 'game'. If he chooses any other day, there is no way he could even come close to win as he will continuously die on the 5th day (3rd day of his cycle). Also, remember that
They get approximately a year to play around with their ability, learn it's ins and outs.
With this in mind, know that the omni guy fully understands his powers and know how to ask intelligent questions. Also, since this game is in the 365 days period, there are only 2 ways that this game can go. Let's go through the options and tell me if you agree or not.
Scenario 1:
Omni guy kills DN guy within 4 days ( by asking 1) What are the other powers 2/3) What is the Death note power/GHG power 4) What is the address of DN guy currently ) and kill the rest within the next day ( by asking 5)where can I find the other's pictures and then trade half his lifespan for a shinigami eye, so he could see the person's name by simply looking at their picture ) . GHG did not select his starting day so therefore, he dies without activating his abilities.
Scenario 2:
GHG guy activates his abilities on the very first day, causing a repeat on the 1st-3rd day for 12175 cycles. In this cycle, anything can happen, but one thing can never happen: GHG cannot kill either teleport guy or time freezing guy in time as if he chooses to find teleport guy and kill him, the teleport guy could simply teleport out and be fine. So can the time freezing guy. Also, by the example given by OP, it can be concluded that every cycle is different and so, GHG cannot find teleport guy, time freeze guy or DN guy within the 100 years (albeit 100 years of 3 days repeated) when he have NO information of any of them. It will take him more than 3 consecutive days to find DN on random (he could be in his house on the first cycle, but he could also be in a bunker on the next, so on and so forth). Therefore, GHG still cannot win as Omni guy can just do all the things stated in scenario 1 once the cycle ends.
There is also no way that DN guy and teleport guy could randomly lynch a person and kill one of the 5 superpowers by accident WITHIN 5 DAYS as 'none of them draw huge attention to themselves' and 'they never meet or become aware of each others existence during this year'. Can you really accidentally kill any of the 4 others randomly by searching some random person on facebook? No.
TL;DR
Omni guy wins no matter what as GHG cannot kill the rest in time.
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Remember that DN guy have played with his deathnote and knows how to use it, so he do not need to experiment with it and thus, not cause him to be in the limelight for GHG to find him.
Day 1 Time Freezer: Korean. Freezes time for 5 hours a day to have time to think. Get's increasingly bored and frustrated. Teleport Guy: Australian. Abuses his teleport ability to mess with people, he doesn't know how it will help while he doesn't know where the other's are. Decides to save time on traveling with it. Death Note Guy: Japanese. Can't do anything, tries to research, comes up with nothing. Omniscient: British. Asks what powers the other guys have. Now he knows if he's safe. He is, for now. He still doesn't know their locations, so he hides until tomorrow. GHG: American. Relives the same days trying to figure out where they are with research, comes up with nothing.
Day 2 Omniscient: Asks for the home locations of the others. He is definitely safe, and decides to get on a plane and go after Death Note Guy.
The Others still have no leads.
Day 3 Omniscient: Asks where Death Note is more specifically to have an easier time finding him now that he's near his apartment. He stalks Death Note and tries to sneaky kill him. He kills him after a long struggle, but has his face caught on camera. The others see Omniscient guy on the news.
Death Note guy dead*
Teleport Guy: Finally getting a lead, he quickly googles the location of the murder. The news doesn't say specifically, but he finds the name of the building and teleports there with a gun. He sees the broken window of the apartment. He runs in, finds Omniscient with the Death Note and shoots him.
Omniscient guy dead*
Time Freezer: Lives in Korea and sees that Death Note's murder was in Japan. Knowing Omniscient is there, he takes a short trip to Japan. Arrives and finds Teleport Guy at the building. Freezes time so he can't escape and kills him.
Teleport guy dead*
GHG: Already knew of the murders and events having already lived the 3 days and seen the news of the murders. Arrives at the perfect time and kills Time Freezer.
Time Freezer dead*
Groundhog Guy wins.
This game is a bit flawed as GHG can't lose. Even if he's killed, his ability to remember in the next cycle gives him more intel than Omniscient. The others have no way of killing all of their opponents and GHG in order to win by being the last one standing. All he has to do to win is wait during the first cycle, and make his trip during the second cycle to kill the last guy alive. However, there is an alternative solution written below in which Omniscient can win.
If Omniscient is rich, he hires assassins around the world to take out the 4 other contestants. All he has to is ask for their coordinates and then tell the assassins. He wins on day 1.
If he's not rich, he asks how to get rich. Hires assassins on day 2 and wins.
Omniscient wins because he is the last one standing.
Remember that even if GhG knows how's his been killed by omniscient and tries to make up a new strategy the next day, omniscient voice will give a different answer on how to kill GHG, because GHG will try for something else, and the voice is all knowing.
GHG He gets to choose when his 3 days begin, but once it starts, he cannot stop it, he has to do the full time. he gets "100 years worth of days" before the time loop ends. however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time. (this is equivalent to 12'175 resets of the 3-day period) he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4"
The only way GHG have a chance to win is if he chooses the loop on the very first or second day of the 'game'. If he chooses any other day, there is no way he could even come close to win as he will continuously die on the 5th day (3rd day of his cycle). Also, remember that
exactly, why would he wait one or two days to use his ability? it's obvious to get the most advantage out of this sort of game is to give no room for the enemy to attack, so use the GHG ability immediately at the start of the game. he doesn't need to die at the end of his cycle, the cycles will still keep on going. moreover, if he dies on the first day, the cycles end for him, but if he dies on day 2 or 3, the cycles keep going and he can learn from his mistakes.
They get approximately a year to play around with their ability, learn it's ins and outs.
With this in mind, know that the omni guy fully understands his powers and know how to ask intelligent questions. Also, since this game is in the 365 days period, there are only 2 ways that this game can go. Let's go through the options and tell me if you agree or not.
he knows how to ask intelligent questions, it still does not make him all knowing or give him the ability to ask impossible questions. i challenge you to spend one year to think of a single question that answers all possible information about 4 different people.
Scenario 1:
Omni guy kills DN guy within 4 days ( by asking 1) What are the other powers 2/3) What is the Death note power/GHG power 4) What is the address of DN guy currently ) and kill the rest within the next day ( by asking 5)where can I find the other's pictures and then trade half his lifespan for a shinigami eye, so he could see the person's name by simply looking at their picture ) . GHG did not select his starting day so therefore, he dies without activating his abilities.
GHG selects the first day as the starting day, so therefore you lose already.
Scenario 2:
GHG guy activates his abilities on the very first day, causing a repeat on the 1st-3rd day for 12175 cycles. In this cycle, anything can happen, but one thing can never happen: GHG cannot kill either teleport guy or time freezing guy in time as if he chooses to find teleport guy and kill him, the teleport guy could simply teleport out and be fine. So can the time freezing guy. Also, by the example given by OP, it can be concluded that every cycle is different
OP already made it clear that every cycle is not different, the GHG can learn from his mistakes. it only seems different but its due to the actions of GHG that makes each cycle different. it would not be difficult to kill the teleport guy, as he needs to teleport back to the area (return teleport). killing the timefreeze guy would be a more difficult task, however not impossible; the GHG should develop a strategy that forces the time freeze guy to use up all of his time freeze power within the three days, and then guy 1 would be powerless
eg: cycle 3 is exactly same as cycle 1, cycle 2 is different because GHG decides to kill someone, altering the timeline. otherwise everything is exactly the same as cycle 1.
and so, GHG cannot find teleport guy, time freeze guy or DN guy within the 100 years (albeit 100 years of 3 days repeated) when he have NO information of any of them. It will take him more than 3 days to find DN on random (he could be in his house on the first cycle, but he could also be in a bunker on the next, so on and so forth). Therefore, GHG still cannot win as Omni guy can just do all the things stated in scenario 1 once the cycle ends.
^this whole paragraph is thus useless
There is also no way that DN guy and teleport guy could randomly lynch a person and kill one of the 5 superpowers by accident WITHIN 5 DAYS as 'none of them draw huge attention to themselves' and 'they never meet or become aware of each others existence during this year'. Can you really accidentally kill any of the 4 others randomly by searching some random person on facebook? No.
Yes. It is possible to cause mass genocide to a nation, if you cite the cause of death for a person as "died due to nationwide nuclear explosion". The teleport guy cannot, however.
TL;DR
Omni guy wins no matter what as GHG cannot kill the rest in time.
you lose, since omni either dies in the mass nuclear explosion caused by death note guy or by GHG eventually finding out everything in the 100 years
The way I see it, only the Omniscient can find other super human. However, I dont think he can kill 1 and 2. Still, If I have to choose to be 1 of them, I would be the Omniscient. At least I can spread the info that I know to others and let them kill each other. This way at least I have 50/50 chance with the last survivor.
On October 03 2012 21:07 pedduck wrote: The way I see it, only the Omniscient can find other super human. However, I dont think he can kill 1 and 2. Still, If I have to choose to be 1 of them, I would be the Omniscient. At least I can spread the info that I know to others and let them kill each other. This way at least I have 50/50 chance with the last survivor.
If omniscient can kill 3 and get his book, he could kill 1, 2 or any other, because he can use question to reveal identity.
Lets analyse the OP properly before you ask theoritical questions.
GHG He gets to choose when his 3 days begin, but once it starts, he cannot stop it, he has to do the full time. he gets "100 years worth of days" before the time loop ends. however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time. (this is equivalent to 12'175 resets of the 3-day period) he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4"
The only way GHG have a chance to win is if he chooses the loop on the very first or second day of the 'game'. If he chooses any other day, there is no way he could even come close to win as he will continuously die on the 5th day (3rd day of his cycle). Also, remember that
exactly, why would he wait one or two days to use his ability? it's obvious to get the most advantage out of this sort of game is to give no room for the enemy to attack, so use the GHG ability immediately at the start of the game. he doesn't need to die at the end of his cycle, the cycles will still keep on going. moreover, if he dies on the first day, the cycles end for him, but if he dies on day 2 or 3, the cycles keep going and he can learn from his mistakes.
They get approximately a year to play around with their ability, learn it's ins and outs.
With this in mind, know that the omni guy fully understands his powers and know how to ask intelligent questions. Also, since this game is in the 365 days period, there are only 2 ways that this game can go. Let's go through the options and tell me if you agree or not.
he knows how to ask intelligent questions, it still does not make him all knowing or give him the ability to ask impossible questions. i challenge you to spend one year to think of a single question that answers all possible information about 4 different people.
Omni guy kills DN guy within 4 days ( by asking 1) What are the other powers 2/3) What is the Death note power/GHG power 4) What is the address of DN guy currently ) and kill the rest within the next day ( by asking 5)where can I find the other's pictures and then trade half his lifespan for a shinigami eye, so he could see the person's name by simply looking at their picture ) . GHG did not select his starting day so therefore, he dies without activating his abilities.
GHG selects the first day as the starting day, so therefore you lose already.
GHG guy activates his abilities on the very first day, causing a repeat on the 1st-3rd day for 12175 cycles. In this cycle, anything can happen, but one thing can never happen: GHG cannot kill either teleport guy or time freezing guy in time as if he chooses to find teleport guy and kill him, the teleport guy could simply teleport out and be fine. So can the time freezing guy. Also, by the example given by OP, it can be concluded that every cycle is different
OP already made it clear that every cycle is not different, the GHG can learn from his mistakes. it only seems different but its due to the actions of GHG that makes each cycle different. it would not be difficult to kill the teleport guy, as he needs to teleport back to the area (return teleport). killing the timefreeze guy would be a more difficult task, however not impossible; the GHG should develop a strategy that forces the time freeze guy to use up all of his time freeze power within the three days, and then guy 1 would be powerless
eg: cycle 3 is exactly same as cycle 1, cycle 2 is different because GHG decides to kill someone, altering the timeline. otherwise everything is exactly the same as cycle 1.
and so, GHG cannot find teleport guy, time freeze guy or DN guy within the 100 years (albeit 100 years of 3 days repeated) when he have NO information of any of them. It will take him more than 3 days to find DN on random (he could be in his house on the first cycle, but he could also be in a bunker on the next, so on and so forth). Therefore, GHG still cannot win as Omni guy can just do all the things stated in scenario 1 once the cycle ends.
There is also no way that DN guy and teleport guy could randomly lynch a person and kill one of the 5 superpowers by accident WITHIN 5 DAYS as 'none of them draw huge attention to themselves' and 'they never meet or become aware of each others existence during this year'. Can you really accidentally kill any of the 4 others randomly by searching some random person on facebook? No.
Yes. It is possible to cause mass genocide to a nation, if you cite the cause of death for a person as "died due to nationwide nuclear explosion". The teleport guy cannot, however.
Omni guy wins no matter what as GHG cannot kill the rest in time.
you lose, since omni either dies in the mass nuclear explosion caused by death note guy or by GHG eventually finding out everything in the 100 years
^
What are the chances that DN guy kills by mass genocide every cycle of the 12175 cycles?
What are the chances that GHG finds out the name of 4 complete strangers whom he have no idea of who they even are (only silhouettes known) and what are their powers within a given time?
Sorry for the misunderstanding on the GHG's powers, but it still changes nothing. Given that he have to find these people on random, he would have 1/7,000,000,000 chances to find out each person. So, it would be (1/7,000,000,000)^4 = 1 out of 2.401 x 10^39 ) chance that he finds out the identity of each of the 4 people. Moreover, he HAVE to find out the real name of that person, or else he still loses as after the 12175 cycles, he becomes a normal person with the extra knowledge of 100 years.
Yes ,it is possible to cause nationwide mass genocide, but not all the 4 others will die. Remember that. What are the chances that #4 becomes witty and ask this question on the first day : tell me what happened on the past cycle? More percentage than the chances of #5 finding the other 4.
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There is no way that the DN guy could cause a mass genocide. Even in the manga/anime, the way that they die via a planned accident is to become psyched and simply commit suicide that way. There is no way that nukes could be used as a method of death as it would require so much permission from so many people that... it is impossible. Unless, the DN guy plans a worldwide nuke assault by mind controlling every single president, army commander, nuclear scientist, owner of said nuke plant, scientists that activates the nuclear missile and many others, WITHIN 3 DAYS. If this doesn't happen, Omni guy still wins.
With GHG, there is no way he could come out of it sane. No way. 100 year of living 3 days, over and over and over.... Also, it would be near impossible for him to tell when his last cycle has come. He can only use his memory, nothing physical carries him on. Best way that I think of is to write the cycle on your hand at the beginning of each cycle, and remember the cycle number at the end of each one. It is 12175 cycles though, it would be near impossible for anyone to not screw up in all that time though. Think of how many times you have forgotten to do something. Now think of that probability against the number 12175 and you are definitely going to screw up and miss the cycle number.
What are the chances that DN guy kills by mass genocide every cycle of the 12175 cycles?
as long as DN decides to use this strategy, he will do it every single time. then the cycles end because GHG dies.
What are the chances that GHG finds out the name of 4 complete strangers who he have no idea of who they even are (only silhouettes known) and what are their powers within a given time?
Sorry for the misunderstanding on the GHG's powers, but it still changes nothing. Given that he have to find these people on random, he would have 1/7,000,000,000 chances to find out each person. So, it would be (1/7,000,000,000)^4 chance (such a huge number) that he finds out the identity of each of the 4 people. Moreover, he HAVE to find out the real name of that person, or else he still loses as after the 12175 cycles, he becomes a normal person with the extra knowledge of 100 years.
the OP already said that "they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them.". moreover, he can do basic elimination by, on day 2, going to each country/province and seeing if he would be killed. He also doesn't have to kill the other guys with the death note, if he can find out the weaknesses of the others abilities.
timefreeze - waste his 5 hours of timefreeze then he will be powerless. teleport - he must make a return teleport to his original location death note - needs name/face omni - useless until cycles end
Yes ,it is possible to cause nationwide mass genocide, but not all the 4 others will die. Remember that. What are the chances that #4 becomes witty and ask this question on the first day : tell me what happened on the past cycle? More percentage than the chances of #5 finding the other 4.
it's a voice, not a mass of instant knowledge given. so you will waste the entire day listening to the voice talk about the first few minutes of the cycle. besides, it's not impossible, but an improbable question given the circumstances. I said that the people with realistic probabilities of winning are DN guy and guy 5.
with nationwide mass genocide, the only person who has the ability to survive is the teleport guy, who would probably disintegrate upon returning the the radioactive land.
What are the chances that GHG finds out the name of 4 complete strangers who he have no idea of who they even are (only silhouettes known) and what are their powers within a given time?
Sorry for the misunderstanding on the GHG's powers, but it still changes nothing. Given that he have to find these people on random, he would have 1/7,000,000,000 chances to find out each person. So, it would be (1/7,000,000,000)^4 chance (such a huge number) that he finds out the identity of each of the 4 people. Moreover, he HAVE to find out the real name of that person, or else he still loses as after the 12175 cycles, he becomes a normal person with the extra knowledge of 100 years.
the OP already said that "they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them.". moreover, he can do basic elimination by, on day 2, going to each country/province and seeing if he would be killed. He also doesn't have to kill the other guys with the death note, if he can find out the weaknesses of the others abilities.
timefreeze - waste his 5 hours of timefreeze then he will be powerless. teleport - he must make a return teleport to his original location death note - needs name/face omni - useless until cycles end
Yes ,it is possible to cause nationwide mass genocide, but not all the 4 others will die. Remember that. What are the chances that #4 becomes witty and ask this question on the first day : tell me what happened on the past cycle? More percentage than the chances of #5 finding the other 4.
it's a voice, not a mass of instant knowledge given. so you will waste the entire day listening to the voice talk about the first few minutes of the cycle. besides, it's not impossible, but an improbable question given the circumstances. I said that the people with realistic probabilities of winning are DN guy and guy 5.
with nationwide mass genocide, the only person who has the ability to survive is the teleport guy, who would probably disintegrate upon returning the the radioactive land.
There is no way that the DN guy could cause a mass genocide. Even in the manga/anime, the way that they die via a planned accident is to become psyched and simply commit suicide that way. There is no way that nukes could be used as a method of death as it would require so much permission from so many people that... it is impossible. Unless, the DN guy plans a worldwide nuke assault by mind controlling every single president, army commander, nuclear scientist, owner of said nuke plant, scientists that activates the nuclear missile and many others, WITHIN 3 DAYS. If this doesn't happen, Omni guy still wins.
It will take less than an hour for that voice to explain every single happening on the last cycle.
And yes, you are correct on that part about them leaving a trace if they were to look for them. However, if the only knowledge he will be given are those silhouettes, there is still no chance that GHG could get any useful information out of his 36500 days of repeated days. He could not even know basic info about them, e.g. their age, sex or language, how would he even begin his search? Based on trial and error? How? Kill every person he meets on the streets? Or kill everyone suspected with superpowers?
Another thought on GHG, could he do martial arts training all that time? Doing progression in training somehow. Are muscle control part of memory? Ofcourse I don't mean muscle strength or anything, but the ability to use a muscle consistently in a certain way (muscle memory). Ofcourse, also, he could also spend a lot of time studying different things that could be useful.
What are the chances that DN guy kills by mass genocide every cycle of the 12175 cycles?
as long as DN decides to use this strategy, he will do it every single time. then the cycles end because GHG dies.
What are the chances that GHG finds out the name of 4 complete strangers who he have no idea of who they even are (only silhouettes known) and what are their powers within a given time?
Sorry for the misunderstanding on the GHG's powers, but it still changes nothing. Given that he have to find these people on random, he would have 1/7,000,000,000 chances to find out each person. So, it would be (1/7,000,000,000)^4 chance (such a huge number) that he finds out the identity of each of the 4 people. Moreover, he HAVE to find out the real name of that person, or else he still loses as after the 12175 cycles, he becomes a normal person with the extra knowledge of 100 years.
the OP already said that "they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them.". moreover, he can do basic elimination by, on day 2, going to each country/province and seeing if he would be killed. He also doesn't have to kill the other guys with the death note, if he can find out the weaknesses of the others abilities.
timefreeze - waste his 5 hours of timefreeze then he will be powerless. teleport - he must make a return teleport to his original location death note - needs name/face omni - useless until cycles end
Yes ,it is possible to cause nationwide mass genocide, but not all the 4 others will die. Remember that. What are the chances that #4 becomes witty and ask this question on the first day : tell me what happened on the past cycle? More percentage than the chances of #5 finding the other 4.
it's a voice, not a mass of instant knowledge given. so you will waste the entire day listening to the voice talk about the first few minutes of the cycle. besides, it's not impossible, but an improbable question given the circumstances. I said that the people with realistic probabilities of winning are DN guy and guy 5.
with nationwide mass genocide, the only person who has the ability to survive is the teleport guy, who would probably disintegrate upon returning the the radioactive land.
There is no way that the DN guy could cause a mass genocide. Even in the manga/anime, the way that they die via a planned accident is to become psyched and simply commit suicide that way. There is no way that nukes could be used as a method of death as it would require so much permission from so many people that... it is impossible. Unless, the DN guy plans a worldwide nuke assault by mind controlling every single president, army commander, nuclear scientist, owner of said nuke plant, scientists that activates the nuclear missile and many others, WITHIN 3 DAYS. If this doesn't happen, Omni guy still wins.
It will take less than an hour for that voice to explain every single happening on the last cycle.
And yes, you are correct on that part about them leaving a trace if they were to look for them. However, if the only knowledge he will be given are those silhouettes, there is still no chance that GHG could get any useful information out of his 36500 days of repeated days. He could not even know basic info about them, e.g. their age, sex or language, how would he even begin his search? Based on trial and error? How? Kill every person he meets on the streets? Or kill everyone suspected with superpowers?
the voice would still not tell him about guy 5 or anything that guy 5 knows unless he asks specifically.
guy 5 can bait. go to a country's national television, tell them he has super powers and that he will be alone, and if he dies, then theres an enemy. then he can do state by state, region by region so narrowing the number of people he has to go through by a significant amount. death note, timefreeze, teleport guys would have no reason to not try and kill him, since they have abilities to kill without leaving their identity.
once he obtains the death note, he can just do trial and error by killing off the entire world with natural disasters. once all of his enemies are dead, he wins, cycles end and he can be god
On October 03 2012 21:19 HaruRH wrote: There is no way that the DN guy could cause a mass genocide. Even in the manga/anime, the way that they die via a planned accident is to become psyched and simply commit suicide that way. There is no way that nukes could be used as a method of death as it would require so much permission from so many people that... it is impossible. Unless, the DN guy plans a worldwide nuke assault by mind controlling every single president, army commander, nuclear scientist, owner of said nuke plant, scientists that activates the nuclear missile and many others, WITHIN 3 DAYS. If this doesn't happen, Omni guy still wins.
mass nukes are just an example. there are other ways such as earthquake. there are no restrictions on natural disasters in the anime, the only reason why light yagami didnt use this was due to his goal of only eliminating the rotten.
They have a year of playing around with their powers before the game starts, yeah?
I'm banking on whoever can get enough money to literally carpet bomb the other countries from the first second of game time.
I suspect that omni getting the exact correct lotto numbers/combination bets/roulette answers/stock futures for 365 days could net him a genuine bucketload of cash, and probably in a way where he could stay annonymous.
From there, you just have to build up your personal nuclear army :D First question you ask is which cities should I nuke to win the game.
Sadly, because rules aren't clear enough, almost everyone's opinion is based on different interpretation of the rules. I'm not blaming anyone for this, but this thread could have become better if rules were simpler and clearer for the sake of discussion.
What are the chances that DN guy kills by mass genocide every cycle of the 12175 cycles?
as long as DN decides to use this strategy, he will do it every single time. then the cycles end because GHG dies.
What are the chances that GHG finds out the name of 4 complete strangers who he have no idea of who they even are (only silhouettes known) and what are their powers within a given time?
Sorry for the misunderstanding on the GHG's powers, but it still changes nothing. Given that he have to find these people on random, he would have 1/7,000,000,000 chances to find out each person. So, it would be (1/7,000,000,000)^4 chance (such a huge number) that he finds out the identity of each of the 4 people. Moreover, he HAVE to find out the real name of that person, or else he still loses as after the 12175 cycles, he becomes a normal person with the extra knowledge of 100 years.
the OP already said that "they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them.". moreover, he can do basic elimination by, on day 2, going to each country/province and seeing if he would be killed. He also doesn't have to kill the other guys with the death note, if he can find out the weaknesses of the others abilities.
timefreeze - waste his 5 hours of timefreeze then he will be powerless. teleport - he must make a return teleport to his original location death note - needs name/face omni - useless until cycles end
Yes ,it is possible to cause nationwide mass genocide, but not all the 4 others will die. Remember that. What are the chances that #4 becomes witty and ask this question on the first day : tell me what happened on the past cycle? More percentage than the chances of #5 finding the other 4.
it's a voice, not a mass of instant knowledge given. so you will waste the entire day listening to the voice talk about the first few minutes of the cycle. besides, it's not impossible, but an improbable question given the circumstances. I said that the people with realistic probabilities of winning are DN guy and guy 5.
with nationwide mass genocide, the only person who has the ability to survive is the teleport guy, who would probably disintegrate upon returning the the radioactive land.
There is no way that the DN guy could cause a mass genocide. Even in the manga/anime, the way that they die via a planned accident is to become psyched and simply commit suicide that way. There is no way that nukes could be used as a method of death as it would require so much permission from so many people that... it is impossible. Unless, the DN guy plans a worldwide nuke assault by mind controlling every single president, army commander, nuclear scientist, owner of said nuke plant, scientists that activates the nuclear missile and many others, WITHIN 3 DAYS. If this doesn't happen, Omni guy still wins.
It will take less than an hour for that voice to explain every single happening on the last cycle.
And yes, you are correct on that part about them leaving a trace if they were to look for them. However, if the only knowledge he will be given are those silhouettes, there is still no chance that GHG could get any useful information out of his 36500 days of repeated days. He could not even know basic info about them, e.g. their age, sex or language, how would he even begin his search? Based on trial and error? How? Kill every person he meets on the streets? Or kill everyone suspected with superpowers?
the voice would still not tell him about guy 5 or anything that guy 5 knows unless he asks specifically.
guy 5 can bait. go to a country's national television, tell them he has super powers and that he will be alone, and if he dies, then theres an enemy. then he can do state by state, region by region so narrowing the number of people he has to go through by a significant amount. death note, timefreeze, teleport guys would have no reason to not try and kill him, since they have abilities to kill without leaving their identity.
once he obtains the death note, he can just do trial and error by killing off the entire world with natural disasters. once all of his enemies are dead, he wins, cycles end and he can be god
On October 03 2012 21:19 HaruRH wrote: There is no way that the DN guy could cause a mass genocide. Even in the manga/anime, the way that they die via a planned accident is to become psyched and simply commit suicide that way. There is no way that nukes could be used as a method of death as it would require so much permission from so many people that... it is impossible. Unless, the DN guy plans a worldwide nuke assault by mind controlling every single president, army commander, nuclear scientist, owner of said nuke plant, scientists that activates the nuclear missile and many others, WITHIN 3 DAYS. If this doesn't happen, Omni guy still wins.
mass nukes are just an example. there are other ways such as earthquake. there are no restrictions on natural disasters in the anime, the only reason why light yagami didnt use this was due to his goal of only eliminating the rotten.
How to Use: X 1.“Suicide” is a valid cause of death. Basically, all humans are thought to possess the possibility to commit suicide. It is, therefore, not something “unbelievable to think of." 2.Whether the cause of the individual’s death is either a suicide or accident. If the death leads to the death of more than the intended, the person will simply die of a heart attack. This is to ensure that other lives are not influenced.
On October 03 2012 21:44 laszmosis wrote: Another thought on GHG, could he do martial arts training all that time? Doing progression in training somehow. Are muscle control part of memory? Ofcourse I don't mean muscle strength or anything, but the ability to use a muscle consistently in a certain way (muscle memory). Ofcourse, also, he could also spend a lot of time studying different things that could be useful.
I don't think he could do that, he conserve his memories, but muscle memories is body related right?
On October 03 2012 21:44 laszmosis wrote: Another thought on GHG, could he do martial arts training all that time? Doing progression in training somehow. Are muscle control part of memory? Ofcourse I don't mean muscle strength or anything, but the ability to use a muscle consistently in a certain way (muscle memory). Ofcourse, also, he could also spend a lot of time studying different things that could be useful.
I don't think he could do that, he conserve his memories, but muscle memories is body related right?
If muscle memory is body related, then so is regular memory too. For sake of clarity we can assume(from the groundhog day film) that muscle memory carrier over i.e. perfect card throwing technique(Bill Murray was bored).
In case anyone of you forgot, all 5 had time to fuck around with their super powers(god knows what that´s supposed to mean for GHD guy), but during that time they didn´t know about the upcoming deathmatch. So I kinda doubt anyone of them would have stockpiled nukes "just in case".
I think however, if we take for granted that every single one of the guys did leave traces you can track them down by, it will again massively favor GHD guy. He has more years at his disposal than anyone of us has lived their entire life. And day 1 everyone starts with the same information except for Voice-guy.
Assuming that he cannot win during his 12k cycles because they will still autorevert, he can still gather information, plan ahead and optimize his run. The only who has a reasonable chance to not be surprisekilled from behind is Voiceguy. For all we know GDH guy could use his first 10 years of the cycle to become a badass ninja, then spend the next 60 years gathering information about people since everyone left clues around. Then the rest of the time on planning his perfect schedule to kill the 4 people.
On October 03 2012 21:44 laszmosis wrote: Another thought on GHG, could he do martial arts training all that time? Doing progression in training somehow. Are muscle control part of memory? Ofcourse I don't mean muscle strength or anything, but the ability to use a muscle consistently in a certain way (muscle memory). Ofcourse, also, he could also spend a lot of time studying different things that could be useful.
I don't think he could do that, he conserve his memories, but muscle memories is body related right?
Memory is body related too, so what's the difference?
"Can I become God?" -> "Would I be happier being God?" - Suicide/using the other 363 days to days to become superrich/head of state/world hegemon (by proxy so his name/face aren't widely disseminated) /fly away to the international space station w/lots of body guards and then nuke the whole goddamn world. Become God, fix the world. Be happier.
Questions: How does time stopping work? Does time still go and everyone is stopped in place (Every plane crashes at once. This also assumes that by the time the battle has begun the entire world is in a gigantic crisis for losing 5 hours per week and having all mechanized travel stop working)? Or is time STOPPED and nothing really works except within his "field of time movement"? Can he extend this field (this one also applies to the Teleporter)?
Can the Teleporter teleport into solid objects? Does the teleporter need sight of his place of teleportation? If he doesn't, what's stopping him from grabbing a spoon and thinking "I want to teleport behind one of the other guys with the tip of this spoon being in his cerebellum."? If he does, holy shit his power is fucking useless...
Does GHG's body change change in any way but altered brain pathways as he goes through his cycles?
In the end it just ends up being like this: GHG is a basically perfect human being in every respect via 100 years of intense training. Batman without money. OmniGuy is a guy with basically unlimited resources. Batman without very much training.
It comes down to how smart these guys are, and how seriously they will play.
I'd have to disagree with this (albeit only slightly). I'd say this is pretty accurate but the timefreeze guy and the teleport guy should be switched. I've thought of/heard a couple viable strategies for teleport guy but I can't even fathom a scenario where timefreeze guy wins it all.
On October 03 2012 10:25 BrokenMirage wrote: If DeathNote guy is incredibly quick witted, has an encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, and has nerves of steel, he can guarantee himself a victory using this plan.
As soon as he comes out of the dream, he instantly writes in his Death Note his own name and as cause of death a disease that has an incubation period of over a year (note : for those who haven't read the manga or seen the anime, diseases do not obey the 23 day rule, and make the person die at an adequate time according to the disease). As he must die of this disease, and dying before the end of the year is impossible, he is guaranteed to live more than one year. After this he needs to destroy the death note (I'll explain why later).
Therefore, it is impossible for him to die under any circumstances before the end of the time period for the disease. The other competitors absolutely cannot kill him in anyway, and he cannot die at the end of the year, meaning that all the other competitors must therefore die within the year.
If he acts fast enough, Ground Hog guy, and Omniscient guy (who both can gain knowledge of this using their powers) cannot possibly phone Teleport guy fast enough at the start of a new cycle, to get him to kill Deathnote guy before he writes this down. Also if Deathnote guy destroys the death note fast enough, teleport guy won't get there in time to modify the conditions of death in the death note (if it wasn't destroyed, and teleport guy got there within 6 min and 40 s, teleport guy could modify the conditions of death and make them impossible, thereby causing Deathnote guy to die at the end of the 6 min and 40 s).
At that point, Deathnote guy is assured of victory, and he can just chill for the rest of the year, knowing that all the others will die. He will then die of the disease at the prescribed amount of time, and the Deus Ex Machina will turn him into a God.
That's how Deathnote guy can guarantee himself a victory.
no, he dies 23 days later from a heart attack.
I also think DN will win, but that is because he can mind-control anyone for 23 days by writing something like: XXXXX will obey every order I give to him, until he dies by a heart attack 23 days later.
the DN guy can get a lot of people to help protect him and help track down the others.
also, the hints that everyone left from the year before the Dream, will allow every one of competitors to eventually discover who you need to kill, but it does not help tracking down where your target is now (after the dream), the DN guy only need to know who he needs to kill, he does not need to know where they are.
Read the Death Note Rules-
How to Use: XXVIII
If you write, “die of disease” like before with a specific disease’s name, but without a specific time, if it takes more than 24 days for the human to die the 23-day rule will not take effect and the human will die at an adequate time depending on the disease.
he does not become immortal if you write die of disease, so he can still die from any competitor,
also, after 1 year, NO ONE wins, so he does not become a god since he didn't kill anyone before one year and so, dies anyway from the disease.
Once your death is written in the death note, you will die in such a way, unless your conditions of death violate some other rules of the death note in which case you will die of a heart attack. Also, the other competitors will die within the year, since if they did not, he couldn't possibly survive past the end of the year.
well but if the deathnote is THAT powerful he will just simply die after the year anyways you think of the deathnote as something that can change anything like a god so it would also kill guy 3 after he became a god
On October 03 2012 13:51 saltywet wrote: guys 1 and 3 all have supernatural killing powers.
guys 1 and 2 have defensive mechanisms that can prevent others from killing them easily.
guy 5 has the greatest advantage in that he can immediately start the groundhog day and that guy 4 will only be able to ask 3 questions; guy 4s' advantages increase exponentially with the number of days that pass due to the number of questions he may ask.
guy 3 (death note guy) can be rendered useless in that by using fake names/identities he will never be able to kill the other 4. guy 2 can be killed once that it is found out he must return to his exact spot within 1 day of teleportation.
guy 5 has a major advantage in that so long as he survives day 1, he gets 100 years of time to find and kill the others. his major disadvantage would be that he must find and kill all other 4 guys within the 3 days (however, it can be achieved much more easily if he allied with guy 2; guy 5 can do a "test" cycle by seeing if guy 2 would be willing or if he can be tricked, by offering guy 2 resurrection once guy 5 is a god and seeing if guy 2 would kill him)
guy 4 would only have the ability to ask 3 questions within these 100 years of 3 days
guy 1 will never be able to be killed by normal means (assuming that he mastered the ability of time freeze), so the only possible way to kill him would be to obtain his identity and the death note (which can only be done by guy 4)
I think that only guy 5 and guy 4 have the ability to win, guy 5 can find out all the details of the abilities of the other four guys within the 100 years to know how to kill them, whereas guy 4 needs to ask the right question to kill guy 5 on the first day to win the game.
On October 03 2012 13:24 HaruRH wrote:
Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get' Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed. Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others.
so long as guy 5 doesn't die on the first day of the cycle, he gets to live out the rest of the cycles. and if you kill him, he would remember you and be able to identify you in his next cycle to kill you.
You missed the next paragraph of my post. What I meant was, Omni guy takes out DN guy first, then use the death note to kill the remaining 3, without even needing to see them. He just need to see a picture of them, and they're dead.
Do you think that dying on the 5th day every cycle for whatever countless number of cycles he have, without any knowledge of how you died (he will have a heart attack randomly and die) would give him even 0.0000001% chance of winning the game? Nope.
how are you, as guy 4, going to find out all the information with 1 question? furthermore, at the beginning of the game no one has any idea what abilities the other guys have, the number of people involved, etc.
how is guy 4 (omni) going to find out: 1. abilities of the enemies 2. picture of each enemies' physical features 3. name of each enemy 4. location of each enemy 5. future movements of each enemy
with just one question? the only way guy 4 can win is random guess question which allows him to be able to kill guy 5 on the first day such as "what can I do to kill one of my enemies" and the omniscience happens to give him the ability to kill guy 5
his ability is to have an omniscience which gives him the true answer to one question, not to grant wishes, so if he asks for database online with details of his enemies he isn't going to get anything, since more likely than not prior to this game none of the guys are related to eachother, so no database will contain the information of all of the guys. you may get one database for one guy.
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guy 3 (death note) can win if he commits mass genocide, otherwise guy 5 (GHG) will win. the others don't have a realistic probability of winning
Lets analyse the OP properly before you ask theoritical questions.
GHG He gets to choose when his 3 days begin, but once it starts, he cannot stop it, he has to do the full time. he gets "100 years worth of days" before the time loop ends. however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time. (this is equivalent to 12'175 resets of the 3-day period) he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4"
The only way GHG have a chance to win is if he chooses the loop on the very first or second day of the 'game'. If he chooses any other day, there is no way he could even come close to win as he will continuously die on the 5th day (3rd day of his cycle). Also, remember that
They get approximately a year to play around with their ability, learn it's ins and outs.
With this in mind, know that the omni guy fully understands his powers and know how to ask intelligent questions. Also, since this game is in the 365 days period, there are only 2 ways that this game can go. Let's go through the options and tell me if you agree or not.
Scenario 1:
Omni guy kills DN guy within 4 days ( by asking 1) What are the other powers 2/3) What is the Death note power/GHG power 4) What is the address of DN guy currently ) and kill the rest within the next day ( by asking 5)where can I find the other's pictures and then trade half his lifespan for a shinigami eye, so he could see the person's name by simply looking at their picture ) . GHG did not select his starting day so therefore, he dies without activating his abilities.
Scenario 2:
GHG guy activates his abilities on the very first day, causing a repeat on the 1st-3rd day for 12175 cycles. In this cycle, anything can happen, but one thing can never happen: GHG cannot kill either teleport guy or time freezing guy in time as if he chooses to find teleport guy and kill him, the teleport guy could simply teleport out and be fine. So can the time freezing guy. Also, by the example given by OP, it can be concluded that every cycle is different and so, GHG cannot find teleport guy, time freeze guy or DN guy within the 100 years (albeit 100 years of 3 days repeated) when he have NO information of any of them. It will take him more than 3 consecutive days to find DN on random (he could be in his house on the first cycle, but he could also be in a bunker on the next, so on and so forth). Therefore, GHG still cannot win as Omni guy can just do all the things stated in scenario 1 once the cycle ends.
There is also no way that DN guy and teleport guy could randomly lynch a person and kill one of the 5 superpowers by accident WITHIN 5 DAYS as 'none of them draw huge attention to themselves' and 'they never meet or become aware of each others existence during this year'. Can you really accidentally kill any of the 4 others randomly by searching some random person on facebook? No.
TL;DR
Omni guy wins no matter what as GHG cannot kill the rest in time.
EDIT:
Remember that DN guy have played with his deathnote and knows how to use it, so he do not need to experiment with it and thus, not cause him to be in the limelight for GHG to find him.
it's not that every cycle is different every cycle is the same as long as he does the same thing as the cycle before so that means that if he doesn't influence the guy he is chasing, that guy will always be at the same spot at the same time doing the same thing
On October 03 2012 15:34 Fen2 wrote: GHD guy wins easy
In 100 years of trying, if the other 4 guys have left some evidence of their existence, he will find them. All he needs to do is find out their names and a picture of them (chances are their picture is on the internet somewhere, so he just has to remember a web address). Within 5 minutes of day 1 starting, deathnote guy is gonna get the name and a picture of Omniscient guy emailed to him, with a persuasive enough message to make him instantly kill off that guy. With GHD's only real competition out of the picture, he has the game in the bag.
Omniscient guy might have the knowledge, but with 5 minutes to act before deathnote guy kills him, there will be nothing he can do to stop it. If he asks "how can I survive today?" the answer will be "You can't"
I agree that GHDG has a decent chance. But the within 5 minutes email makes no sense. He can't alter the preceding time whatsoever... Where would that email come from?
GHDG gets to live the first 3 days thousands of times before the real 3 days occur. During that time, he will find the identity. On the real first day, he will just go to his computer, look up the other guy's picture (which he will already know the web address of), and send it as an attachment to deathnote guy, with the name as well.
From the perspective of deathnote guy, he wakes up after having the dream informing him of the game and gets an email on his phone almost instantly. The email contains the name of the other guys and their picture. No-one else would have time to react
Day 1 Time Freezer: Korean. Freezes time for 5 hours a day to have time to think. Get's increasingly bored and frustrated. Teleport Guy: Australian. Abuses his teleport ability to mess with people, he doesn't know how it will help while he doesn't know where the other's are. Decides to save time on traveling with it. Death Note Guy: Japanese. Can't do anything, tries to research, comes up with nothing. Omniscient: British. Asks what powers the other guys have. Now he knows if he's safe. He is, for now. He still doesn't know their locations, so he hides until tomorrow. GHG: American. Relives the same days trying to figure out where they are with research, comes up with nothing.
Day 2 Omniscient: Asks for the home locations of the others. He is definitely safe, and decides to get on a plane and go after Death Note Guy.
The Others still have no leads.
Day 3 Omniscient: Asks where Death Note is more specifically to have an easier time finding him now that he's near his apartment. He stalks Death Note and tries to sneaky kill him. He kills him after a long struggle, but has his face caught on camera. The others see Omniscient guy on the news.
Death Note guy dead*
Teleport Guy: Finally getting a lead, he quickly googles the location of the murder. The news doesn't say specifically, but he finds the name of the building and teleports there with a gun. He sees the broken window of the apartment. He runs in, finds Omniscient with the Death Note and shoots him.
Omniscient guy dead*
Time Freezer: Lives in Korea and sees that Death Note's murder was in Japan. Knowing Omniscient is there, he takes a short trip to Japan. Arrives and finds Teleport Guy at the building. Freezes time so he can't escape and kills him.
Teleport guy dead*
GHG: Already knew of the murders and events having already lived the 3 days and seen the news of the murders. Arrives at the perfect time and kills Time Freezer.
Time Freezer dead*
Groundhog Guy wins.
This game is a bit flawed as GHG can't lose. Even if he's killed, his ability to remember in the next cycle gives him more intel than Omniscient. The others have no way of killing all of their opponents and GHG in order to win by being the last one standing. All he has to do to win is wait during the first cycle, and make his trip during the second cycle to kill the last guy alive. However, there is an alternative solution written below in which Omniscient can win.
If Omniscient is rich, he hires assassins around the world to take out the 4 other contestants. All he has to is ask for their coordinates and then tell the assassins. He wins on day 1.
If he's not rich, he asks how to get rich. Hires assassins on day 2 and wins.
Omniscient wins because he is the last one standing.
Remember that even if GhG knows how's his been killed by omniscient and tries to make up a new strategy the next day, omniscient voice will give a different answer on how to kill GHG, because GHG will try for something else, and the voice is all knowing.
but omni never asks "how do I kill ghg" because he would have to ask that every single day as he doesn't know when ghg activates his ability
On October 03 2012 15:34 Fen2 wrote: GHD guy wins easy
In 100 years of trying, if the other 4 guys have left some evidence of their existence, he will find them. All he needs to do is find out their names and a picture of them (chances are their picture is on the internet somewhere, so he just has to remember a web address). Within 5 minutes of day 1 starting, deathnote guy is gonna get the name and a picture of Omniscient guy emailed to him, with a persuasive enough message to make him instantly kill off that guy. With GHD's only real competition out of the picture, he has the game in the bag.
Omniscient guy might have the knowledge, but with 5 minutes to act before deathnote guy kills him, there will be nothing he can do to stop it. If he asks "how can I survive today?" the answer will be "You can't"
I agree that GHDG has a decent chance. But the within 5 minutes email makes no sense. He can't alter the preceding time whatsoever... Where would that email come from?
GHDG gets to live the first 3 days thousands of times before the real 3 days occur. During that time, he will find the identity. On the real first day, he will just go to his computer, look up the other guy's picture (which he will already know the web address of), and send it as an attachment to deathnote guy, with the name as well.
From the perspective of deathnote guy, he wakes up after having the dream informing him of the game and gets an email on his phone almost instantly. The email contains the name of the other guys and their picture. No-one else would have time to react
You're assuming DNG actually kills the guy immediately/within 3 days. Which he might not... you know, not being particularly happy with SO much good luck falling into his lap?
PLUS, he'd also then figure out that he's going to die very soon because he's already been found out by someone who's willing to send info of one of the participants to another participant... Why would he do as expected? Wouldn't it make some sense to reach out to the guy he knows he can instakill with a penstroke to team up against the person who contacted him/the others?
On October 03 2012 15:34 Fen2 wrote: GHD guy wins easy
In 100 years of trying, if the other 4 guys have left some evidence of their existence, he will find them. All he needs to do is find out their names and a picture of them (chances are their picture is on the internet somewhere, so he just has to remember a web address). Within 5 minutes of day 1 starting, deathnote guy is gonna get the name and a picture of Omniscient guy emailed to him, with a persuasive enough message to make him instantly kill off that guy. With GHD's only real competition out of the picture, he has the game in the bag.
Omniscient guy might have the knowledge, but with 5 minutes to act before deathnote guy kills him, there will be nothing he can do to stop it. If he asks "how can I survive today?" the answer will be "You can't"
I agree that GHDG has a decent chance. But the within 5 minutes email makes no sense. He can't alter the preceding time whatsoever... Where would that email come from?
GHDG gets to live the first 3 days thousands of times before the real 3 days occur. During that time, he will find the identity. On the real first day, he will just go to his computer, look up the other guy's picture (which he will already know the web address of), and send it as an attachment to deathnote guy, with the name as well.
From the perspective of deathnote guy, he wakes up after having the dream informing him of the game and gets an email on his phone almost instantly. The email contains the name of the other guys and their picture. No-one else would have time to react
You're assuming DNG actually kills the guy immediately/within 3 days. Which he might not... you know, not being particularly happy with SO much good luck falling into his lap?
PLUS, he'd also then figure out that he's going to die very soon because he's already been found out by someone who's willing to send info of one of the participants to another participant... Why would he do as expected? Wouldn't it make some sense to reach out to the guy he knows he can instakill with a penstroke to team up against the person who contacted him/the others?
Thing is, GHG have a lot of tries to find out what will be DNG behavior and try to adequate to it.
On October 03 2012 15:34 Fen2 wrote: GHD guy wins easy
In 100 years of trying, if the other 4 guys have left some evidence of their existence, he will find them. All he needs to do is find out their names and a picture of them (chances are their picture is on the internet somewhere, so he just has to remember a web address). Within 5 minutes of day 1 starting, deathnote guy is gonna get the name and a picture of Omniscient guy emailed to him, with a persuasive enough message to make him instantly kill off that guy. With GHD's only real competition out of the picture, he has the game in the bag.
Omniscient guy might have the knowledge, but with 5 minutes to act before deathnote guy kills him, there will be nothing he can do to stop it. If he asks "how can I survive today?" the answer will be "You can't"
I agree that GHDG has a decent chance. But the within 5 minutes email makes no sense. He can't alter the preceding time whatsoever... Where would that email come from?
GHDG gets to live the first 3 days thousands of times before the real 3 days occur. During that time, he will find the identity. On the real first day, he will just go to his computer, look up the other guy's picture (which he will already know the web address of), and send it as an attachment to deathnote guy, with the name as well.
From the perspective of deathnote guy, he wakes up after having the dream informing him of the game and gets an email on his phone almost instantly. The email contains the name of the other guys and their picture. No-one else would have time to react
You're assuming DNG actually kills the guy immediately/within 3 days. Which he might not... you know, not being particularly happy with SO much good luck falling into his lap?
PLUS, he'd also then figure out that he's going to die very soon because he's already been found out by someone who's willing to send info of one of the participants to another participant... Why would he do as expected? Wouldn't it make some sense to reach out to the guy he knows he can instakill with a penstroke to team up against the person who contacted him/the others?
Thing is, GHG have a lot of tries to find out what will be DNG behavior and try to adequate to i.
I just pictured GHG carving the face into trees on DNG's way to work... making his morning cappuccino with form in the shape of the dude's face xD Spray painting billboards with the name... having his morning shoelaces in the shape of the name... Almost like a romantic comedy. hahaha
All I'll say is I am surprised so many people vote for the "omniscient guy" as he only gets on question a day. There's no telling how long this would all take to pass, except perhaps for this guy if he asked that question, but perhaps some things are uncertain and there would be no "all-knowing answer" unless we assume fixed realities/dimensions/fate/whatever, but even that case may be a fixed reality in which he discovers that he can't win, but while he can get to ask a lot of questions, it's only one per day and he is completely normal otherwise. I think he could get a lot of disappointing and unhelpful answers and we didn't say that he personally is a genius, so even if bright, he may make mistakes by asking the wrong questions. "Which questions should I ask for all days ahead in order to defeat these foes?" might be his best hope, but who says he won't get the answer "It is not possible to guarantee the success of that wish through this method." Unless you believe in fate being fixed, you might end up with information that explains exactly how you would have been able to win (or which questions to ask) given that instant in time, but knowing that may influence your choices and thus change the future circumstances. Perhaps you might ask to know which questions to ask given the ramifications of asking this and all future questions. We never said he had amazing memory or extremely fast typing/writing abilities though so even without any 'patch changes', he might need to waste some questions for reminders. I'm still inclined to say either form of time-manipulation (1 or 5) would probably be strongest.
EDIT: Oh, someone recommended Mirai Nikki, is this similar somehow? (Don't worry, I'll just check Wikipedia anyway; it was more of a comment than a question)
If the GHG activates his power right from the start, he can high likely survive the first 3 days, as he had >12000 tries to do so, and he knows how this 3 days will be, so its a bit like telling the future. Also there is no way for others to find out that he has super power except if #4 asks about it (but that is one question for him!)
that makes him quite strong. however its really hard for him to even notice guys 3 and 4... so if he and #3 or #4 will be the only survivor he would have a really hard time killing them. and if more that 1 survive they all lost #3 and #4 however have a slightly chance, depending on their luck and skill.
#4 is the best if he manages to survive for a longer time, but his strength really depends on the quality of the answers Q: "how can I survive today?" A: "kill all the other guys in the next 3 hours" isn't really helpful xD
#1 and #2's superpower are pretty strange...: #1: if the time is frozen you cant do anything, you cant move and you cant even notice anything, so that superpower is basically of no relevance unless you specify clearly what he can do during that time. #2: theoretically the teleport guy just have to teleport back for an incredible short amount of time and then he can instantly port to another position again. this way he can avoid the need to port back.
On October 04 2012 03:01 Flip9 wrote: If the GHG activates his power right from the start, he can high likely survive the first 3 days, as he had >12000 tries to do so, and he knows how this 3 days will be, so its a bit like telling the future. Also there is no way for others to find out that he has super power except if #4 asks about it (but that is one question for him!)
that makes him quite strong. however its really hard for him to even notice guys 3 and 4... so if he and #3 or #4 will be the only survivor he would have a really hard time killing them. and if more that 1 survive they all lost #3 and #4 however have a slightly chance, depending on their luck and skill.
#4 is the best if he manages to survive for a longer time, but his strength really depends on the quality of the answers Q: "how can I survive today?" A: "kill all the other guys in the next 3 hours" isn't really helpful xD
#1 and #2's superpower are pretty strange...: #1: if the time is frozen you cant do anything, you cant move and you cant even notice anything, so that superpower is basically of no relevance unless you specify clearly what he can do during that time. #2: theoretically the teleport guy just have to teleport back for an incredible short amount of time and then he can instantly port to another position again. this way he can avoid the need to port back.
ofc the time freeze guy can walk around and kill people while the time is frozen... it would be incredibly stupid otherwise
Oops, I posted a DN strategy that assumes DN 23 day immortality. Doesn't work.
DN can still manipulate actions leading up to the death, so as long as he survives Day 1, he can manipulate Omni's questions every single day afterwards
I'm not sure if this is possible, but this is what I'd do: 1) Kill random guy with access to email. This random guy will write an email to DN guy, containing the identity of Omni guy. Since I've experimented with DN, I can word it in a way that the e-mail contains only the identity of Omni guy and I don't have to sort through useless clutter.
I'm not sure if this is possible. It is theoretically possible for random guy to smash his face on the keyboard, which causes him to accidentally and randomly send an e-mail with the appropriate info
Once I have Omni's identity, I could manipulate Omni's actions and control what questions he asks
2) Day 1 action: I would kill Omni on Day 4 or 5 or so (haven't thought of exactly what questions to use). It would look something like this: Omni guy uses Day 2 to find GHG, Day 3 to find Teleport guy, Day 4 to find Time Freeze, then dies on Day 4. Immediately after asking the questions he will e-mail the voice's response to me. I would word it in a way that Omni does not take any actions against me
3) Day 2, kill GHG on Day 4, making sure he takes no action against me
People said that Omni can use GHG ability against him by asking "What did I learn in the last time loop?" But can DN guy use Omni in the manner I described?
On October 03 2012 09:51 travis wrote: GHD guy could be beaten easily if they counteract him with randomness. but what kind of random number generator they could actually use that would give different results im not sure. but if they were able to use a random number generator then they could move to different locations based on the randomness
Impossible, it would generate the same number every time no matter how intricate it is.
On October 03 2012 09:51 travis wrote: GHD guy could be beaten easily if they counteract him with randomness. but what kind of random number generator they could actually use that would give different results im not sure. but if they were able to use a random number generator then they could move to different locations based on the randomness
Impossible, it would generate the same number every time no matter how intricate it is.
nope wrong if GHD is making different actions (which he would be), then things in the universe aren't the exact same
It comes down to how smart these guys are, and how seriously they will play.
I'd have to disagree with this (albeit only slightly). I'd say this is pretty accurate but the timefreeze guy and the teleport guy should be switched. I've thought of/heard a couple viable strategies for teleport guy but I can't even fathom a scenario where timefreeze guy wins it all.
what do you mean? all he has to do is use his time freeze ability to become powerful enough that he can collect info on where they are. at that point he is literally unstoppable because he can just freeze time and kill them. the issue for him is surviving that long.
On October 04 2012 06:12 Purind wrote: DN can still manipulate actions leading up to the death, so as long as he survives Day 1, he can manipulate Omni's questions every single day afterwards
I'm not sure if this is possible, but this is what I'd do: 1) Kill random guy with access to email. This random guy will write an email to DN guy, containing the identity of Omni guy. Since I've experimented with DN, I can word it in a way that the e-mail contains only the identity of Omni guy and I don't have to sort through useless clutter.
I'm not sure if this is possible. It is theoretically possible for random guy to smash his face on the keyboard, which causes him to accidentally and randomly send an e-mail with the appropriate info
Well in the anime, Kira kills the prisoners with suicide, but tells them to write "I know the Japanese police force is after Kira" or something like that that they didn't know. So for the email to say something that leads to the identity of Omni guy is impossible. Having it done by smashing the guys head into the keyboard (LOL) is probably just as infeasible. I don't know if the powers of the Death Note would work to that degree, such that using it can affect randomness and eliminate variables in such the way that you described.
Edit: forgot to mention, the prisoners DIDN'T write the japanese police force thing on the wall before they died because they didn't know.
On October 03 2012 09:51 travis wrote: GHD guy could be beaten easily if they counteract him with randomness. but what kind of random number generator they could actually use that would give different results im not sure. but if they were able to use a random number generator then they could move to different locations based on the randomness
Impossible, it would generate the same number every time no matter how intricate it is.
nope wrong if GHD is making different actions (which he would be), then things in the universe aren't the exact same
It comes down to how smart these guys are, and how seriously they will play.
I'd have to disagree with this (albeit only slightly). I'd say this is pretty accurate but the timefreeze guy and the teleport guy should be switched. I've thought of/heard a couple viable strategies for teleport guy but I can't even fathom a scenario where timefreeze guy wins it all.
what do you mean? all he has to do is use his time freeze ability to become powerful enough that he can collect info on where they are. at that point he is literally unstoppable because he can just freeze time and kill them. the issue for him is surviving that long.
I disagree about GHG and 'the universe is different'. It's similar enough that things like the lottery numbers should be unaffected. In addition, GHG can perform the same actions (or close enough to them) once he determines a method of finding someone.
And dealing with Timefreeze: He only gets 5 hours per week. He can't get to the unstoppable point in that timeframe imo.
Day 1 Time Freezer: Korean. Freezes time for 5 hours a day to have time to think. Get's increasingly bored and frustrated. Teleport Guy: Australian. Abuses his teleport ability to mess with people, he doesn't know how it will help while he doesn't know where the other's are. Decides to save time on traveling with it. Death Note Guy: Japanese. Can't do anything, tries to research, comes up with nothing. Omniscient: British. Asks what powers the other guys have. Now he knows if he's safe. He is, for now. He still doesn't know their locations, so he hides until tomorrow. GHG: American. Relives the same days trying to figure out where they are with research, comes up with nothing.
Day 2 Omniscient: Asks for the home locations of the others. He is definitely safe, and decides to get on a plane and go after Death Note Guy.
The Others still have no leads.
Day 3 Omniscient: Asks where Death Note is more specifically to have an easier time finding him now that he's near his apartment. He stalks Death Note and tries to sneaky kill him. He kills him after a long struggle, but has his face caught on camera. The others see Omniscient guy on the news.
Death Note guy dead*
Teleport Guy: Finally getting a lead, he quickly googles the location of the murder. The news doesn't say specifically, but he finds the name of the building and teleports there with a gun. He sees the broken window of the apartment. He runs in, finds Omniscient with the Death Note and shoots him.
Omniscient guy dead*
Time Freezer: Lives in Korea and sees that Death Note's murder was in Japan. Knowing Omniscient is there, he takes a short trip to Japan. Arrives and finds Teleport Guy at the building. Freezes time so he can't escape and kills him.
Teleport guy dead*
GHG: Already knew of the murders and events having already lived the 3 days and seen the news of the murders. Arrives at the perfect time and kills Time Freezer.
Time Freezer dead*
Groundhog Guy wins.
This game is a bit flawed as GHG can't lose. Even if he's killed, his ability to remember in the next cycle gives him more intel than Omniscient. The others have no way of killing all of their opponents and GHG in order to win by being the last one standing. All he has to do to win is wait during the first cycle, and make his trip during the second cycle to kill the last guy alive. However, there is an alternative solution written below in which Omniscient can win.
If Omniscient is rich, he hires assassins around the world to take out the 4 other contestants. All he has to is ask for their coordinates and then tell the assassins. He wins on day 1.
If he's not rich, he asks how to get rich. Hires assassins on day 2 and wins.
Omniscient wins because he is the last one standing.
The question is, how would he "be on the news"? A random guy killing another random guy? Considering Omniscient guy has no amazing super powers he could do the killing with or anything, he's not exactly attracting enormous attention by killing the guy. How would this possibly make the news? It will barely get put into a local paper (read: about a very small town only), let alone international news broadcast everywhere. People get killed all the time. And even if it does make the news, how, in what possible way, could the others figure out the guy was omniscient guy, considering they have only seen his silhouette (assuming he doesn't have an absurdly comical size that is easily recognizable, obviously).
As for him being rich, if you could have an answer to any question in the world, it honestly isn't very hard to get rich, and considering they've had the power for a year already, the odds of him already being rich are quite large. Honestly, wouldn't you abuse your power in such a way if you got one?
On October 03 2012 09:51 travis wrote: GHD guy could be beaten easily if they counteract him with randomness. but what kind of random number generator they could actually use that would give different results im not sure. but if they were able to use a random number generator then they could move to different locations based on the randomness
Impossible, it would generate the same number every time no matter how intricate it is.
nope wrong if GHD is making different actions (which he would be), then things in the universe aren't the exact same
On October 04 2012 00:10 kochanfe wrote:
On October 03 2012 20:10 Sea_Food wrote: Winning chances for each competitor
It comes down to how smart these guys are, and how seriously they will play.
I'd have to disagree with this (albeit only slightly). I'd say this is pretty accurate but the timefreeze guy and the teleport guy should be switched. I've thought of/heard a couple viable strategies for teleport guy but I can't even fathom a scenario where timefreeze guy wins it all.
what do you mean? all he has to do is use his time freeze ability to become powerful enough that he can collect info on where they are. at that point he is literally unstoppable because he can just freeze time and kill them. the issue for him is surviving that long.
I disagree about GHG and 'the universe is different'. It's similar enough that things like the lottery numbers should be unaffected. In addition, GHG can perform the same actions (or close enough to them) once he determines a method of finding someone.
You may be right about that, at least I suspect you are (though I wouldn't say it as confidently as you do). But thats why I was talking about the "kind of random number generator". It'd have to be a design that could somehow take advantage of the variation in GHD guy's actions. But you know, maybe it's possible. Butterfly effect and all that.
So many people assume that GHD will win its astounding, he stands no chance against a smart omniscient guy all he has to do is wait in a safe place untill ghd has used up his repeat then GHD is no threat at all, honestly people, with unlimited information he has by far the best chance of winning as long as he plays safe.
Day 2 Omniscient: Asks for the home locations of the others. He is definitely safe, and decides to get on a plane and go after Death Note Guy.
Why would you do that on day 2, no reason to rush wait and see what the others do first and come up with a sound plan to safely kill them all. Also this is a luxury the others don't have as they have no idea who is after them what there powers are or what they are doing Voice guy knows all that and more if he is smart enough to ask.
On October 03 2012 01:40 Ikidomari wrote: the balance was so that it wasn't a 1-sided fight. Instead of it being Mace vs Sword vs Bow vs Axe vs Guy on a hill with a sniper It's Mace vs Sword vs Bow vs Axe vs Guy on a hill with a sniper that doesn't have a crosshair. (very VERY loose metaphor)
They all know each others powers, but not identity THEY HAD A YEAR TO TEST THEIR POWERS, in which they all left noticable signs if you were looking for it.
The groundhog guy doesn't "only get a year", because the 1st 3 days of that year are repeated 12000 times, and THEN the next 362 are played out (assuming it is activated immediately) He gets the full year, + 12000 lives at any given 3 day period.
Since the bolded part is mentioned not in the OP but only in his post on the 3rd page of this thread, about half of the whole 20 pages worth of discussion is useless because we are arguing with different rules in mind.
Omniscient guy would win most definately and most elegant. The identities are completely unknown by all except him. Deathnote guy has the most elegant solution to the killing part, and has no special way to defend himself in the very short term. Find out who he is, and do it quick and dirty while you steal his note. Who doesn't have a picture of himself online somewhere? In questions and 1 kill a day after; 1. What is the identity of Deathnote guy? 2. Optional: Where is the deathnote? 3. Who is ...?
On October 04 2012 07:06 MrF wrote: So many people assume that GHD will win its astounding, he stands no chance against a smart omniscient guy all he has to do is wait in a safe place untill ghd has used up his repeat then GHD is no threat at all, honestly people, with unlimited information he has by far the best chance of winning as long as he plays safe.
Day 2 Omniscient: Asks for the home locations of the others. He is definitely safe, and decides to get on a plane and go after Death Note Guy.
Why would you do that on day 2, no reason to rush wait and see what the others do first and come up with a sound plan to safely kill them all. Also this is a luxury the others don't have as they have no idea who is after them what there powers are or what they are doing Voice guy knows all that and more if he is smart enough to ask.
He won't have unlimited information though. By the time GHD tries are up he will have figured out a way to kill each person within at least the first day if not within an hour. Meaning that Omniguy has maybe 1 question at most before GHD can kill him. I think some people are forgetting that GHD guys cycles are an exact repeat of the same 3 days meaning that Omniguy will always ask the same question on the first day every time and unless its something like "how do I survive today" then he will die first. I think the only way for him to have a chance is to ask how he survives today 3 times in a row until GHD cycle runs out and the chances of him randomly doing that seem incredibly slim. Even then GHD will know hes going to do that and have made some sort of countermeasures against like being super rich and in power by the 4th day while Omniguy just wastes 3 days gleaning no new info.
Hmm verry interesting lol. Did you think of this problem yourself or is it somehow a more well known case?
Annyway:
-Deathnote guy can not kill annyone by himself.He needs a name for this and none of the others would ever use their true name, since they do know of deathnote guys existance. The only way for deathnote to kill someone is with omni,s help but this leaves him no change as well. He knows that omni will not reveal his own name , and will kill him with his superior knowledge once the others are deaths. Result:Deathnote guy goes hiding under a rock and hopes that by some miracle the others all get killed before the year is over.
-Teleport guy can only be killed by deathnote guy, who needs the help of omni to do this. Against all others he teleports out, to return with superiour armour and firepower, or he can simply go hiding.
-Time freeze guy wins a 1 vs 1 against anny of the other ones,even omni.(simply freezes time, and then kill the other guy) though he can not kill teleport guy, he can be killed by deathnote though with the help of omni. Teleguy can teleport out , and return when the time freeze is over(i asume). Time freeze guy can try avoid this by freezing time in the last 5 hours of a day,but teleport guy can even choose not to return, this would strip him of his powers though, and leave him defenseless for the rest of the year. To avoid this in return, teleport guy starts out every day in a safe spot, then teleports to a neutral spot to start his daily business,and keeping the return teleport as a safety measure, or simply to use at the end of the day and start a new cycle.
-Ghd guy:He does not neccesarely have to kill all the others in 3 days. He could in theory also try to kill the others on anny of the other days in the year wich are not repeated. He does not have anny powers though,guess groundhog day will start his cycle as soon as he is beeing killed, as i dont see anny value for his power otherwise.
-Omni:Omni can only kill deathnote, the person whos help he needs to kill annyone else. Omnis only change is helping deathnote kill the other 3, and then kill deathnote. But deathnote would never cooperate with such a sceme, as it will only result in a certain death for him as well. He can not kill timefreeze and tele nor Ghb (as soon as Ghb gets killed by omni, he starts his 3 ground hog days, 3 days before he gets killed, this should allow him to get a huge information advantage over omni,wich he can use to avoid beeing killed on the 3th day last hour)
At first sight it looks like noone will be able to win this:s
@ below: (ghd can always get 3 days though? since he can choose at wich time his 3 days start it may be in the past, if he gets killed friday noon, he will start his cycle wednesday noon to make sure he has the max amount of time to prevent it?)
And yes, if omni can kill deathnote and take his powers its easy win for him off course, but i asume this is not possible?
Btw about teleguy:Does he need to know and have an image of the position he teleports to, or could he simply go "teleport omni" and end up standing right behind omni ? (with or without gun)
On October 04 2012 08:35 Rassy wrote: Hmm verry interesting lol. Did you think of this problem yourself or is it somehow a more well known case?
Annyway:
-Deathnote guy can not kill annyone by himself.He needs a name for this and none of the others would ever use their true name, since they do know of deathnote guys existance. The only way for deathnote to kill someone is with omni,s help but this leaves him no change as well. He knows that omni will not reveal his own name , and will kill him with his superior knowledge once the others are deaths. Result:Deathnote guy goes hiding under a rock and hopes that by some miracle the others all get killed before the year is over.
-Teleport guy can only be killed by deathnote guy. Against all others he teleports out, to return with superiour armour and firepower, or he can simply go hiding.
-Time freeze guy wins a 1 vs 1 against anny of the other ones , even omni.(simply freezes time, and then kill the other guy) though he can not kill teleport guy. Teleguy can teleport out , and return when the time freeze is over(i asume). Time freeze guy can try avoid this by freezing time in the last 5 hours of a day,but teleport guy can even choose not to return, this would strip him of his powers though, and leave him defenseless for the rest of the year. To avoid this in return, teleport guy starts out every day in a safe spot, then teleports to a neutral spot to start his daily business,and keeping the return teleport as a safety measure, or simply to use at the end of the day and start a new cycle.
-Ghd guy:He does not neccesarely have to kill all the others in 3 days. He could in theory also try to kill the others on anny of the other days in the year wich are not repeated. He does not have anny powers though,guess groundhog day will start his cycle as soon as he is beeing killed, as i dont see anny value for his power otherwise.
-Omni:Omni can kill deathnote. He can not kill timefreeze and tele, not sure about ghg
At first sight it looks like noone will be able to win this:s
Omni takes deathnote. Everybody dies/ghd's cycle is 2 days instead of 3 if omni is lucky.
If GHG is not killed in his 3 days, he disappears from the timeline for the other 4 and then it is impossible for them to kill him. Draw. He may perceive it as many tries, but in reality each repeat is creating an alternate reality where he may or may not die. the other 4 only feel it as 3 days and then continue forward in their respective timelines.
Act 1: cycle begins, omniscient guy wins, becomes god in reality 1. Act 2: GHG wakes up, tries different stuff, anther guy wins, that guy is god in reality 2. Act3: " Act...:GHG finally gets his shit together and wins it once, becomes god, uses powers to end his 3 day loop. He is god in whatever reality that is and nobody gets any more chances.
If nobody wins in a 3 day period: GHG's consciousnesses moves on to next cycle, the other 4 are put into a reality with no GHG and no god, live out lives normally.
Essentially GHG has a ton of chances to become a god, his reality never splinters. The other 4 all have a bunch of chances, but they have to live out failed attempts in separate realities from the ones they win in. They are split up between many realities decided by GHG's differing actions.
2. GHD guy can feasibly discover all of his enemies identities..EXCEPT..
3. Omni guy pretty much has to ask how he can remain anonymous for the first 5 days to protect against GHD guy delaying and because he can assume without knowledge of himself he will probably not die.
4. GHD guy sends death note guy an email with all names except omni and GHD guy who remained anonymous,
5. SCRAP THAT
Actually i think the name of the game is negating GHD guys powers. Omni asks how to remain anonymous first three days Freeze time guy immediately freezes time and goes on a boat and kills the inhabitants and stays there three days. Teleport guy should first go somewhere where he probably wont be seen, and then teleport somewhere with food and water first 3 days. Example: 3rd world country without internet, rich persons backup bunker Death Note guy is interesting because GHD guy can either steal his powers or manipulate them. Assuming the evasion of GHD strategies work, GHD guy has to plan a kill on death note guy and then play out the game as death note guy.
On October 04 2012 09:27 Bippzy wrote: Heres the situation
1. GHD guy should do the first three days
2. GHD guy can feasibly discover all of his enemies identities..EXCEPT..
3. Omni guy pretty much has to ask how he can remain anonymous for the first 5 days to protect against GHD guy delaying and because he can assume without knowledge of himself he will probably not die.
4. GHD guy sends death note guy an email with all names except omni and GHD guy who remained anonymous,
5. SCRAP THAT
Actually i think the name of the game is negating GHD guys powers. Omni asks how to remain anonymous first three days Freeze time guy immediately freezes time and goes on a boat and kills the inhabitants and stays there three days. Teleport guy should first go somewhere where he probably wont be seen, and then teleport somewhere with food and water first 3 days. Example: 3rd world country without internet, rich persons backup bunker Death Note guy is interesting because GHD guy can either steal his powers or manipulate them. Assuming the evasion of GHD strategies work, GHD guy has to plan a kill on death note guy and then play out the game as death note guy.
So, its complicated
The more you think about it you realize it's all about how Omni guy can negate GHG from getting the DN or from just flat out killing Omni guy without the Deathnote.
I think the positioning of the different characters will negate the fate of who wins. Mostly, Korea and Japan, since they are very very close and the other people will be atleast a half a day or more of flight to get to the nearest other person. The most important are GHG and Omni, and there positioning of DN. If DN is in korea/japan and omni or ghg or in the other. Whoever is in the other country will have a massive advantage to win. Because either can find him in a very short time, get the notebook and both should be able to find the others' names. GHG or omni can't realistically kill teleport or time freeze dude directly in 1v1 so they need the book. Unless they had already used their powers and GHG could kill them if he had used his time to train muscle memory of combat skills.
I think it actually is that easy. It's either a debate about Free Will or the omniscient guy wins.
1) If there is no free will, Omniscient guy asks for the actions he needs to take in order to win. He either gets a reply with the answer, and follows them to victory, or his reply is N/A if it is impossible for him to do.
Likewise, nothing DN guy can write will change the outcome, only progress as the timeline was supposed to. All the information is in the Omniscient guy's answer...and if he is answered then DN guy nor anyone else can win.
2) If there is free will (and just to inject a little bias, I don't know how their could be), then Omniscient guy would get an answer than would allow him to win, because if he didn't...then either there is no free will because the option for him to win didn't exist in the first place, or this thought experiment is invalid.
Despite the cool options...and having looked at everyone's arguments... i can't think of a way around this one. Especially since it has been shown since my last post that the Death Note cannot extend an individuals life.
I feel like something needs to be modified. They should know what powers they're up against.
I understand why they don't, but it really makes the whole thing less interesting. We can't really discuss them competing against each other, because GHD's power puts a huge emphasis on a time when everyone is acting blind.
What that means is that we're not really asking "who would win and what should they do?" so much as "what are the odds that omniguy happens to ask how to avoid guy 5 for the first three days?". I'm not saying GHD is OP, but him losing relies on the others blindly doing exactly the right stuff to thwart him. That's kind of dull to me.
Guy 4 wins. He can ask: How do I kill the other guys? And with one question a day he'll come up with the perfect plan and succeed. The others don't have the ability to know where any of the other guys are or what their names are? So how useless is guy 1, 2, 3, 5? When they can't find other dudes. THE WORLD IS BIG!
Can we buff teleporter to "Jumper" style teleporting? That may be a better matchup.
I dunno about you guys but Omniscient guy asking how can I stay alive 24 hours seems pretty useless. "Stay in your house and don't go outside" doesn't exactly advance your cause.
I picture everyone doing fairly stupid "id" stuff like going from mild mannered Mcdonalds employee to multi-million dollar playboy who went 12 for 12 on the maxim cover girls while having a couple of his enemies having bad things happen to them. Then when they have the Highlander dream going "oh shit, I shouldn't have done that." So i assume everyone has their billion dollars on day 1 and CIA file seems like overkill.
I rate Offense at: Time freezer > porter > GHG > death note > omni Detective: Omni > GhG > Porter = Freezer > death note Defense/anonimity: Omni > Death note > GhG > porter = freezer
On October 04 2012 12:37 wcLLg wrote: Guy 4 wins. He can ask: How do I kill the other guys? And with one question a day he'll come up with the perfect plan and succeed. The others don't have the ability to know where any of the other guys are or what their names are? So how useless is guy 1, 2, 3, 5? When they can't find other dudes. THE WORLD IS BIG!
What if voice says "stab them while they are sleeping" that doesn't seem useful.
I dunno about you guys but Omniscient guy asking how can I stay alive 24 hours seems pretty useless. "Stay in your house and don't go outside" doesn't exactly advance your cause.
Omni has had his power for a year though. He will easily have 10s or 100s of millions of dollars. He can use others with his money to do his dirty work, while he stays safe.
This sounds like the Mirai Nikki manga XD. I'm gonna go with the omniscient voice in head guy. Because none of them know each other, he can ask any questions he likes and understand the situation completely. Then he can find out who each are, and kill them one by one. The others have no way of finding out who is who.
On October 04 2012 12:37 wcLLg wrote: Guy 4 wins. He can ask: How do I kill the other guys? And with one question a day he'll come up with the perfect plan and succeed. The others don't have the ability to know where any of the other guys are or what their names are? So how useless is guy 1, 2, 3, 5? When they can't find other dudes. THE WORLD IS BIG!
Yes but every day is different. Asking where a certain person is is a stupid question if isnt used at the right time. Simply because where he is now doesnt mean he will always be there. You can ask WHERE the person lives but if the person smart, he will never go to his home.
Everyone has the ability to steal money or a way to obtain money with the exception of GHG. Time guy can freeze and steal, teleport can teleport in and steal, omni can manipulate people, and deahnote guy can write someone name down and tell them to bury their money some where and then commit suicide. Then death note guy go and dig up money. They wont be staying still and will always be moving around so asking for the location of the other guys are kinda useless if you dont do something about it immediately.
Omni has the advantage of being able to pinpoint at least the general area and also names/what they look like of every other contender. He also could potentially gain a large amount of wealth then just bunker the shit out of himself and send off assassins with info about those people. Professional assassins would most likely be able to track down the others within a year. The only misstep is if DN guy somehow gets a hold of the info he needs to kill him. You have to remember that everyone else is basically working with minimal information and it WILL take a while before they could mount any kind of offense. Omi guy could even ask "what will x do in the next 24 hours" and learn movements to aid his assassins or if any counter attack is coming.
For the sake of balance I suggest nerfing GHG Basically he has ~12k worth of trials and errors. I suggest that if he dies while in GH mode, the world does not "reset"
basically on day1 he activates GH for next 3 days, If he dies in day2 GH status is dropped and he "re spawns" at the end of day3. He does not get back-tracked to day1
This way he can revert minor mistakes, but the capital mistakes will cost him precious time during 1 year kill or be killed period.
On October 04 2012 18:22 tertos wrote: For the sake of balance I suggest nerfing GHG Basically he has ~12k worth of trials and errors. I suggest that if he dies while in GH mode, the world does not "reset"
basically on day1 he activates GH for next 3 days, If he dies in day2 GH status is dropped and he "re spawns" at the end of day3. He does not get back-tracked to day1
This way he can revert minor mistakes, but the capital mistakes will cost him precious time during 1 year kill or be killed period.
At the same time, he better accomplish a lot during those 3 days. Imagine if he doesn't kill everyone else in any of his 3 day attempts (entirely possible if the others keep themselves well hidden). Then he's up against super-powered humans when he has none. That's a recipe for disaster. So I'm not sure if activating it in the beginning is the best choice. IMO, I think he needs enough information to plan a 3 day serial killing of 4 people. Although he gets information from his repeated days, he'll have a hard time gathering enough information if no major events that leave evidence occur during those 3 days. The problem with activating it late is that he might die before he activates it which would suck for him.
Actually, around half the people seem to have fully read the op.
They all had 1 year with their powers. They all left traces during that 1 year that can be used to find them after the highlander dream. They are all in different civilized countries in the world, OP proposed korea/japan/usa/australia/britain.
All their powers can be used to become rich easily. + Show Spoiler +
Teleport and Timefreeze can just steal without being seen. Omni can ask his voice for ways to get rich. GHG can either plan the perfect heists or use his knowledge of the next 3 days to win at betting and gambling or combine both to get even more money. I just don´t see any way DN guy can get rich without blackmailing and extorting people.
Btw, is this the exact scenario of Mirari Nikki? The name´s been thrown around a couple of times already.
On October 04 2012 20:32 Mataza wrote: Actually, around half the people seem to have fully read the op.
They all had 1 year with their powers. They all left traces during that 1 year that can be used to find them after the highlander dream. They are all in different civilized countries in the world, OP proposed korea/japan/usa/australia/britain.
All their powers can be used to become rich easily. + Show Spoiler +
Teleport and Timefreeze can just steal without being seen. Omni can ask his voice for ways to get rich. GHG can either plan the perfect heists or use his knowledge of the next 3 days to win at betting and gambling or combine both to get even more money. I just don´t see any way DN guy can get rich without blackmailing and extorting people.
Btw, is this the exact scenario of Mirari Nikki? The name´s been thrown around a couple of times already.
Mirai nikki differs in that they do not live on separate continents and they don't have more than a few weeks of practice with their powers. Furthermore, their powers are pretty insignificant, they can only see around a few hours into the future. All their powers are subtly different though.
I only watched the anime because of this thread and I haven't finished it yet though. The exact scenario, which isn't a real spoiler, is as follows: - a free for all death match with the winner becoming God - all 12 contestants know each other's silhouette - their powers all involve subtly different 'future diaries', which describes future events in a way unique to someone's personality - they all had a few weeks to get used to the future diary, but some/most weren't informed of the game until the 'conference dream' where they also got to see each other's silhouette
The anime plays out differently than the scenario in this thread would play out, because all the contestants live in the same area and very quickly go after each other, with most of their identities becoming apparent rather quickly. Which is okay, since it's not like they have instant-killing powers anyway.
I don't remember if it was written but I'll just assume that none of them know of the powers of the others.
It would be pointless to say who has a 100% chance to win because with luck it's possible that any one of them can win. It can even be possible that one of them happen to die from a neutral source. So after taking these things into consideration I think the omni guy has the most reasonable chance of winning. When waking up the first question should be to learn of the strength/abilities of the other people in the dream. This question is better than "how can I kill the other 4?" or "how can I survive?" because it was mentioned that the answer would be spoken even if the guy didn't understand the answer. He can be given answers for technology that does not exist yet or something stupid like "hide in space". That would be a waste. If he's in the dark then it would be the best choice to know what he's up against. If his opponents have the power of Gods then the omni guy might as well already be dead because there is no way he can out match people with the power of Gods. They can just wake up and wish the others dead lol. So learning the powers of the other 4 will already give him an advantage in this case. You can argue that he's wasting a day but that's the best thing he can do and is actually a safe choice considering.
Once doing this the omni guy will know that the guy with thousands of lives on the first 3 days is the greatest threat. He will also know that no one has the power to find each other. 365 days is not much time to find 4 individuals out of billions. This means he would have to survive for 24 hours until the next question is available. From that point on he can pretty much just dictate how things will turn out. If he wants to take the pacifist route then he can simple make his next questions how to contact and befriend each of them, and then become a God and change/restore the universe to give everyone their lives back, or he can just come up with questions on how to kill them. Like how to obtain the death note and to dream of the identity of each of those 4 people.
The biggest problem would be surviving the first 3 days to avoid the guy will many lives. The first day should be to learn of everyone's powers. The next 2 days will be spent on survival. This is where a paradox can come to play though. He needs to ask questions like "how do I easily avoid GHG today?". This would mean that GHG MUST kill omni guy on day 1 (that's only 24 hours. It's not much at all considering the whole universe resets). If GHG doesn't kill him on day 2 and tries something new after the reset then that will simply change the actions of omni guy since he follows the command of avoiding the GHG every morning. Makes sense?
The teleport guy is practically useless in this situation against omni guy since he can only teleport once a day. GHG becomes a normal person on day 4 and onward. Freeze time guy only froze time for 15 hours up until this point so that's not very helpful, and the death note guy lacks information to kill the omni guy.
Personally I rate the omni guy as a tier 3 power and the GHG as tier 2. Everyone else is tier 1. The death note guy can potentially be higher but he needs information for that, which he lacks.
It's possible the others can win too but it's unlikely in comparison. It could even be possible that GHG can know where the omni guy is and still not be able to make it to him within 24 hours. 12000 days isn't enough time to research billions of people, let alone figure out how to locate and kill them too.
Here's a strat which involves some mind games, and allows the Omni guy to win pretty reliably imo:
1. Every 24 hours, Omni will ask "Is GH guy going to activate the GH day in the next 24 hours?". As soon as he gets an answer "yes", he is going to travel to some obscure location and hide for 3 days, hoping that GHG won't be able to find him. Even though GHG has 100 years, it doesn't mean he is able to check all potential weird hiding places for Omni.
2. After 3 days, Omni learns the location of GHG and comes and kills him. GHG is a mortal human with no superpowers at this point.
3. Omni learns the location of Teleport guy, and comes to meet him in person. There is no immediate risk to either of them during the meeting, so they can have a discussion. Omni proposes to team up: he will find out the precise location of each of their opponents each 24 hours, and Teleport guy will jump and eliminate that person. The jump will happen from a public place, so Omni cannot set up a trap for the returning Teleport guy.
4. By having precise information, Teleport guy jumps right behind the back of the Time Freeze guy and the Death Note guy and shoots them before they even realize what is happening.
5. Ground Hog guy is the last. Teleport guy doesn't know that GHG is already dead, so he expects Omni to kill him as soon as he returns after assassinating GHG. He decided to shoot Omni as soon as Omni reveals the location of GHG, then jump and assassinate GHG. However, as soon as Omni and Teleport meet the next day, Omni shoots the Teleport guy and is the last man standing.
6. Omni gets arrested and has to spend some nasty time in prison until the year expires and he becomes god.
On October 05 2012 01:05 PanzerPony wrote: Here's a strat which involves some mind games, and allows the Omni guy to win pretty reliably imo:
1. Every 24 hours, Omni will ask "Is GH guy going to activate the GH day in the next 24 hours?". As soon as he gets an answer "yes", he is going to travel to some obscure location and hide for 3 days, hoping that GHG won't be able to find him. Even though GHG has 100 years, it doesn't mean he is able to check all potential weird hiding places for Omni.
2. After 3 days, Omni learns the location of GHG and comes and kills him. GHG is a mortal human with no superpowers at this point.
3. Omni learns the location of Teleport guy, and comes to meet him in person. There is no immediate risk to either of them during the meeting, so they can have a discussion. Omni proposes to team up: he will find out the precise location of each of their opponents each 24 hours, and Teleport guy will jump and eliminate that person. The jump will happen from a public place, so Omni cannot set up a trap for the returning Teleport guy.
4. By having precise information, Teleport guy jumps right behind the back of the Time Freeze guy and the Death Note guy and shoots them before they even realize what is happening.
5. Ground Hog guy is the last. Teleport guy doesn't know that GHG is already dead, so he expects Omni to kill him as soon as he returns after assassinating GHG. He decided to shoot Omni as soon as Omni reveals the location of GHG, then jump and assassinate GHG. However, as soon as Omni and Teleport meet the next day, Omni shoots the Teleport guy and is the last man standing.
6. Omni gets arrested and has to spend some nasty time in prison until the year expires and he becomes god.
I think there's a flaw on first step, you're wasting one question just to know if GHG guy used his power, and you're vulnerable to him for at least one whole day. And after he finds out omniguy identity, it's pretty easy track down omniguy destiny if he takes any kind of transportation. If he doesn't, well, even easier to find someone walking if you have 12000 chances.
On October 05 2012 01:05 PanzerPony wrote: Here's a strat which involves some mind games, and allows the Omni guy to win pretty reliably imo:
1. Every 24 hours, Omni will ask "Is GH guy going to activate the GH day in the next 24 hours?". As soon as he gets an answer "yes", he is going to travel to some obscure location and hide for 3 days, hoping that GHG won't be able to find him. Even though GHG has 100 years, it doesn't mean he is able to check all potential weird hiding places for Omni.
2. After 3 days, Omni learns the location of GHG and comes and kills him. GHG is a mortal human with no superpowers at this point.
3. Omni learns the location of Teleport guy, and comes to meet him in person. There is no immediate risk to either of them during the meeting, so they can have a discussion. Omni proposes to team up: he will find out the precise location of each of their opponents each 24 hours, and Teleport guy will jump and eliminate that person. The jump will happen from a public place, so Omni cannot set up a trap for the returning Teleport guy.
4. By having precise information, Teleport guy jumps right behind the back of the Time Freeze guy and the Death Note guy and shoots them before they even realize what is happening.
5. Ground Hog guy is the last. Teleport guy doesn't know that GHG is already dead, so he expects Omni to kill him as soon as he returns after assassinating GHG. He decided to shoot Omni as soon as Omni reveals the location of GHG, then jump and assassinate GHG. However, as soon as Omni and Teleport meet the next day, Omni shoots the Teleport guy and is the last man standing.
6. Omni gets arrested and has to spend some nasty time in prison until the year expires and he becomes god.
2.->> GHG has just had 100 years to train, learn, practice, plan, and in general become a complete bad-ass. He's Batman without money/gadgets. Omni might have the perfect answers (if and only iff he asks the perfect questions) but he doesn't necessarily have the skills to take down GHG. GHG may not have actual superpowers but I'll be damned if he just flops over when Omni comes looking.
On October 05 2012 01:05 PanzerPony wrote: Here's a strat which involves some mind games, and allows the Omni guy to win pretty reliably imo:
1. Every 24 hours, Omni will ask "Is GH guy going to activate the GH day in the next 24 hours?". As soon as he gets an answer "yes", he is going to travel to some obscure location and hide for 3 days, hoping that GHG won't be able to find him. Even though GHG has 100 years, it doesn't mean he is able to check all potential weird hiding places for Omni.
2. After 3 days, Omni learns the location of GHG and comes and kills him. GHG is a mortal human with no superpowers at this point.
3. Omni learns the location of Teleport guy, and comes to meet him in person. There is no immediate risk to either of them during the meeting, so they can have a discussion. Omni proposes to team up: he will find out the precise location of each of their opponents each 24 hours, and Teleport guy will jump and eliminate that person. The jump will happen from a public place, so Omni cannot set up a trap for the returning Teleport guy.
4. By having precise information, Teleport guy jumps right behind the back of the Time Freeze guy and the Death Note guy and shoots them before they even realize what is happening.
5. Ground Hog guy is the last. Teleport guy doesn't know that GHG is already dead, so he expects Omni to kill him as soon as he returns after assassinating GHG. He decided to shoot Omni as soon as Omni reveals the location of GHG, then jump and assassinate GHG. However, as soon as Omni and Teleport meet the next day, Omni shoots the Teleport guy and is the last man standing.
6. Omni gets arrested and has to spend some nasty time in prison until the year expires and he becomes god.
2.->> GHG has just had 100 years to train, learn, practice, plan, and in general become a complete bad-ass. He's Batman without money/gadgets. Omni might have the perfect answers (if and only iff he asks the perfect questions) but he doesn't necessarily have the skills to take down GHG. GHG may not have actual superpowers but I'll be damned if he just flops over when Omni comes looking.
I've mentioned this before: If omni is clever he tries to take on GHG at first and asks questions which allow him to alter his actions according to GHG. Thus GHG can't learn anything from omni guy if he does it clever. This would render his advantage useless. The wildcard is DN guy because he can use his book to mindcontrol people. (I totally forgot that -.-;; )
On October 05 2012 01:05 PanzerPony wrote: Here's a strat which involves some mind games, and allows the Omni guy to win pretty reliably imo:
1. Every 24 hours, Omni will ask "Is GH guy going to activate the GH day in the next 24 hours?". As soon as he gets an answer "yes", he is going to travel to some obscure location and hide for 3 days, hoping that GHG won't be able to find him. Even though GHG has 100 years, it doesn't mean he is able to check all potential weird hiding places for Omni.
2. After 3 days, Omni learns the location of GHG and comes and kills him. GHG is a mortal human with no superpowers at this point.
3. Omni learns the location of Teleport guy, and comes to meet him in person. There is no immediate risk to either of them during the meeting, so they can have a discussion. Omni proposes to team up: he will find out the precise location of each of their opponents each 24 hours, and Teleport guy will jump and eliminate that person. The jump will happen from a public place, so Omni cannot set up a trap for the returning Teleport guy.
4. By having precise information, Teleport guy jumps right behind the back of the Time Freeze guy and the Death Note guy and shoots them before they even realize what is happening.
5. Ground Hog guy is the last. Teleport guy doesn't know that GHG is already dead, so he expects Omni to kill him as soon as he returns after assassinating GHG. He decided to shoot Omni as soon as Omni reveals the location of GHG, then jump and assassinate GHG. However, as soon as Omni and Teleport meet the next day, Omni shoots the Teleport guy and is the last man standing.
6. Omni gets arrested and has to spend some nasty time in prison until the year expires and he becomes god.
Omniscient guy nerfed, one question per day, cannot repeat questions, cannot ask questions that go more than 24 hours into the future.
On October 05 2012 03:24 antilyon wrote: I think there's a flaw on first step, you're wasting one question just to know if GHG guy used his power, and you're vulnerable to him for at least one whole day. And after he finds out omniguy identity, it's pretty easy track down omniguy destiny if he takes any kind of transportation. If he doesn't, well, even easier to find someone walking if you have 12000 chances.
The exact way of how to avoid the GHG is a bit of a gamble. Omni could pack a backpack, get in the car and drive somewhere into the wilderness, where GHG will have no source of information to locate him.
On October 05 2012 03:36 Hryul wrote: I've mentioned this before: If omni is clever he tries to take on GHG at first and asks questions which allow him to alter his actions according to GHG. Thus GHG can't learn anything from omni guy if he does it clever. This would render his advantage useless. The wildcard is DN guy because he can use his book to mindcontrol people. (I totally forgot that -.-;; )
I saw you suggested asking "how to kill GHG without being caught?". I think this question is kind of cheating though. If Omni can get a different answer during each of GHG's re-tries, his chances of survival improve a lot. He doesn't even need to ask how to kill GHG (because it will inevitably fail some one time out of 12k re-tries), but rather "where to hide?", and get a location where he is guaranteed to not be found.
On October 05 2012 03:56 Mementoss wrote: Omniscient guy nerfed, one question per day, cannot repeat questions, cannot ask questions that go more than 24 hours into the future.
I don't think my strat violates any of these points.
On October 05 2012 03:24 antilyon wrote: I think there's a flaw on first step, you're wasting one question just to know if GHG guy used his power, and you're vulnerable to him for at least one whole day. And after he finds out omniguy identity, it's pretty easy track down omniguy destiny if he takes any kind of transportation. If he doesn't, well, even easier to find someone walking if you have 12000 chances.
The exact way of how to avoid the GHG is a bit of a gamble. Omni could pack a backpack, get in the car and drive somewhere into the wilderness, where GHG will have no source of information to locate him.
On October 05 2012 03:36 Hryul wrote: I've mentioned this before: If omni is clever he tries to take on GHG at first and asks questions which allow him to alter his actions according to GHG. Thus GHG can't learn anything from omni guy if he does it clever. This would render his advantage useless. The wildcard is DN guy because he can use his book to mindcontrol people. (I totally forgot that -.-;; )
I saw you suggested asking "how to kill GHG without being caught?". I think this question is kind of cheating though. If Omni can get a different answer during each of GHG's re-tries, his chances of survival improve a lot. He doesn't even need to ask how to kill GHG (because it will inevitably fail some one time out of 12k re-tries), but rather "where to hide?", and get a location where he is guaranteed to not be found.
On October 05 2012 03:56 Mementoss wrote: Omniscient guy nerfed, one question per day, cannot repeat questions, cannot ask questions that go more than 24 hours into the future.
I don't think my strat violates any of these points.
Yes, nevertheless the idea is the same. You just nullify the advantage of GHG through abusing your omni to prevent GHG from learning anything about you.
I read that all people could be found through the traces they left throughout the year. It just is a problem that this is so vague because it really shifts the odds in favour of one or the other. the easier the traces the better for DN, the harder the traces the better for omni.
I also think one has to account that teleport, timefreeze can easily gain money, DN through murder and omni even easier because he technically doesn't even have to commit a crime. GHG can not get money the year before because it is a one time thing which is a real downside.
On October 05 2012 03:24 antilyon wrote: I think there's a flaw on first step, you're wasting one question just to know if GHG guy used his power, and you're vulnerable to him for at least one whole day. And after he finds out omniguy identity, it's pretty easy track down omniguy destiny if he takes any kind of transportation. If he doesn't, well, even easier to find someone walking if you have 12000 chances.
The exact way of how to avoid the GHG is a bit of a gamble. Omni could pack a backpack, get in the car and drive somewhere into the wilderness, where GHG will have no source of information to locate him.
On October 05 2012 03:36 Hryul wrote: I've mentioned this before: If omni is clever he tries to take on GHG at first and asks questions which allow him to alter his actions according to GHG. Thus GHG can't learn anything from omni guy if he does it clever. This would render his advantage useless. The wildcard is DN guy because he can use his book to mindcontrol people. (I totally forgot that -.-;; )
I saw you suggested asking "how to kill GHG without being caught?". I think this question is kind of cheating though. If Omni can get a different answer during each of GHG's re-tries, his chances of survival improve a lot. He doesn't even need to ask how to kill GHG (because it will inevitably fail some one time out of 12k re-tries), but rather "where to hide?", and get a location where he is guaranteed to not be found.
On October 05 2012 03:56 Mementoss wrote: Omniscient guy nerfed, one question per day, cannot repeat questions, cannot ask questions that go more than 24 hours into the future.
I don't think my strat violates any of these points.
Yes, nevertheless the idea is the same. You just nullify the advantage of GHG through abusing your omni to prevent GHG from learning anything about you.
I read that all people could be found through the traces they left throughout the year. It just is a problem that this is so vague because it really shifts the odds in favour of one or the other. the easier the traces the better for DN, the harder the traces the better for omni.
I also think one has to account that teleport, timefreeze can easily gain money, DN through murder and omni even easier because he technically doesn't even have to commit a crime. GHG can not get money the year before because it is a one time thing which is a real downside.
3 days knowing every result of sports, gambles, lottery and stock market on the first three days of the first year isn't enough?
On October 05 2012 03:24 antilyon wrote: I think there's a flaw on first step, you're wasting one question just to know if GHG guy used his power, and you're vulnerable to him for at least one whole day. And after he finds out omniguy identity, it's pretty easy track down omniguy destiny if he takes any kind of transportation. If he doesn't, well, even easier to find someone walking if you have 12000 chances.
The exact way of how to avoid the GHG is a bit of a gamble. Omni could pack a backpack, get in the car and drive somewhere into the wilderness, where GHG will have no source of information to locate him.
On October 05 2012 03:36 Hryul wrote: I've mentioned this before: If omni is clever he tries to take on GHG at first and asks questions which allow him to alter his actions according to GHG. Thus GHG can't learn anything from omni guy if he does it clever. This would render his advantage useless. The wildcard is DN guy because he can use his book to mindcontrol people. (I totally forgot that -.-;; )
I saw you suggested asking "how to kill GHG without being caught?". I think this question is kind of cheating though. If Omni can get a different answer during each of GHG's re-tries, his chances of survival improve a lot. He doesn't even need to ask how to kill GHG (because it will inevitably fail some one time out of 12k re-tries), but rather "where to hide?", and get a location where he is guaranteed to not be found.
On October 05 2012 03:56 Mementoss wrote: Omniscient guy nerfed, one question per day, cannot repeat questions, cannot ask questions that go more than 24 hours into the future.
I don't think my strat violates any of these points.
Yes, nevertheless the idea is the same. You just nullify the advantage of GHG through abusing your omni to prevent GHG from learning anything about you.
I read that all people could be found through the traces they left throughout the year. It just is a problem that this is so vague because it really shifts the odds in favour of one or the other. the easier the traces the better for DN, the harder the traces the better for omni.
I also think one has to account that teleport, timefreeze can easily gain money, DN through murder and omni even easier because he technically doesn't even have to commit a crime. GHG can not get money the year before because it is a one time thing which is a real downside.
3 days knowing every result of sports, gambles, lottery and stock market on the first three days of the first year isn't enough?
yes, but he had to remember it and gain wealth while not drawing attention from DN. And surviving the days without getting caught by omni/DN.
Also: getting rich is not the same as being rich. I could imagine omni has some kind of security at hand (at least i would do that, it would also make sense to have a backup plan if the voice goes silent suddenly).
GHG could definitely win this, but he would have to choose his three days carefully or he would end up in a loop in which he can't win.
All he has to do is find a day in which within a three day time span, he can reach the other four guys(One at a time). He also has to make a plan to find out the names and faces of the other four guys one at time. In three days, all he has to do is find out the name and face of one of the other people participating and then restart the three days then find out another persons face and name.
Once he knows the face and name of every competitor. He would need to get to death note guy and obtain death note. There is a rule(if I read the death note rules correctly) that if you write in the death note a name wrong 4 times, then that person becomes immune to death note. This means you would have to kill the death note guy physically then take the death note and kill all the other guys before your 3 day time span is up. Since you found out the name and faces of the other competitors beforehand in other GH days, then you would be able to win. This is of course difficult as you would have to choose a set of three days in which you can get in contact with and find out the names of each of the competitors individually within three days. But if you could and get the death note, you instantly win. But that is assuming you aren't found out by omni guy within those 3 days in which you would lose infinitely D=.
On October 05 2012 06:01 Shardz wrote: GHG could definitely win this, but he would have to choose his three days carefully or he would end up in a loop in which he can't win.
All he has to do is find a day in which within a three day time span, he can reach the other four guys(One at a time). He also has to make a plan to find out the names and faces of the other four guys one at time. In three days, all he has to do is find out the name and face of one of the other people participating and then restart the three days then find out another persons face and name.
Once he knows the face and name of every competitor. He would need to get to death note guy and obtain death note. There is a rule(if I read the death note rules correctly) that if you write in the death note a name wrong 4 times, then that person becomes immune to death note. This means you would have to kill the death note guy physically then take the death note and kill all the other guys before your 3 day time span is up. Since you found out the name and faces of the other competitors beforehand in other GH days, then you would be able to win. This is of course difficult as you would have to choose a set of three days in which you can get in contact with and find out the names of each of the competitors individually within three days. But if you could and get the death note, you instantly win. But that is assuming you aren't found out by omni guy within those 3 days in which you would lose infinitely D=.
I think GHG could reasonably accomplish that in any 3-day span. The biggest issue is whether or not Omni can evade him during the loop. However, Omni gets nothing during the loop, and GHG potentially has close to a week after his loop to learn who Omni is before Omni is able to get enough info to take GHG down (GHG just had 100 years to become awesome, he can definitely handle himself and knows a few tricks about staying hidden. Omni still has his work cut out for him, and will inevitably have to expose himself if he ever plans to go on the offensive).
There is a fundamental flaw here. Everytime GHG dies, a new reality is created. 1: GHG starts loop, guy 4 kills 3, then 2, then 1 then GHG. Guy 4 is god in that universe. BUT GHG just respawns and tries again. 2: GHG starts loop, does different actions, a different guy wins, that guy is god for that reality and GHG moves on again. 3: GHG starts loop, 3 days pass without him dying. Since he only exists in those 3 days, he will magically disappear from the reality of the other 4 who move past his 3 day span. None of them can win because they can't kill GHG so they just live out lives like normal people.
These things all happen hundreds of times with thousands of varying outcomes... ....Untill GHG wins once. If he wins once he becomes god and his loop ends, thus no more realities are created and he rules as god in the last reality and the other various guys will live out their realities as either gods or in the draw situation completely oblivious that they had splintered off of the prime reality.
Since the five hour freeze guy isn't getting any love, i'm going to make a case for him.
He should be wealthy at the start of day one from all the money he collected testing out his power. His power leads him to be a nuclear physicist to study the effects of frozen time. He will have good control over a large nuclear energy plant and access to a object that he can fit in that can withstand leaving earth's atmosphere. The second day one starts he freezes time for five hours.
His "time freeze" essentially negates any interaction that particles would have with each other, besides any needed biological/life functions. He is allowed to move the location of particles, but they will not react to their new location until the time freeze ends.
Time freeze guy goes to nuclear plant and places a huge number of specific particles in a certain arrangement otherwise impossible with particle interaction. The particles are placed in a way where they will annihilate each other once time resumes, and release enough energy to eradicate all life on earth.
He then travels for 4 hours to where his durable object is located on top of a tall building. He sets up another particle interaction underneath it that will propel the object into space once time resumes.
Time resumes and he is hurtled into space just under the speed that would kill him. The nuclear power plant explodes and everyone on the surface of earth dies from the shock wave. GHG has no chance of escaping it even with 10000 tries. Time Freeze Guy's changes to the particle arrangements at the power plant cause such a large distortion in the space-time fabric that from the perspective of residents on earth, all actions outside of their atmosphere undergo an entire years worth of time in half a second.
Therefor, from the perspective of earthlings, Time freeze guy rightfully wins the competition.
On October 05 2012 05:34 Patriot.dlk wrote: Reminds me somewhat of playing MTG. Guy 4 is definitely a blue card and pre-patch he was ridiculously overpowered contract from below style.
Now he's basically just Ancestral Recall. Still just better then anyone (unless i missed a few ways his restrictions work).
Cool game I love stuff like this
No, right now he's JTMS. Can use foresight powers either to get more information or do crazy stuff with his opponents, but only once a turn.
On October 05 2012 07:00 xNSwarm wrote: Since the five hour freeze guy isn't getting any love, i'm going to make a case for him.
He should be wealthy at the start of day one from all the money he collected testing out his power. His power leads him to be a nuclear physicist to study the effects of frozen time. He will have good control over a large nuclear energy plant and access to a object that he can fit in that can withstand leaving earth's atmosphere. The second day one starts he freezes time for five hours.
His "time freeze" essentially negates any interaction that particles would have with each other, besides any needed biological/life functions. He is allowed to move the location of particles, but they will not react to their new location until the time freeze ends.
Time freeze guy goes to nuclear plant and places a huge number of specific particles in a certain arrangement otherwise impossible with particle interaction. The particles are placed in a way where they will annihilate each other once time resumes, and release enough energy to eradicate all life on earth.
He then travels for 4 hours to where his durable object is located on top of a tall building. He sets up another particle interaction underneath it that will propel the object into space once time resumes.
Time resumes and he is hurtled into space just under the speed that would kill him. The nuclear power plant explodes and everyone on the surface of earth dies from the shock wave. GHG has no chance of escaping it even with 10000 tries. Time Freeze Guy's changes to the particle arrangements at the power plant cause such a large distortion in the space-time fabric that from the perspective of residents on earth, all actions outside of their atmosphere undergo an entire years worth of time in half a second.
Therefor, from the perspective of earthlings, Time freeze guy rightfully wins the competition.
haha awesome. Somebody is definitely thinking with portals now!
lol no way to think about other guys guy of answers first question names and addresses send out 3 names to death note guy second question lottery numbers ... get millionarie spend all the money for a mercenary to kill death note guy in 2 days he is the survivor =P
It's funny how a lot of people think guy 4 is the definite winner due to his (over)power. But I think his strength is a detriment in this particular scenario given the 1 year testing period. If you give a "random" person this ability, he will likely use it immediately for his own benefit (pending on his own personal philosophical stance). This can range from great wealth, power, or even public service. Regardless of what the exact end may be, it is assured that he will become vastly successful towards that end.
Now the 1 year test period condition is a bit vague since he can't reach celebrity status but has "left signs" to be found. But the guy who was endowed with power 4 will likely be the easiest to locate through general research as compared to the other 4 participants. Naturally his power itself won't be revealed since it will remain hidden; however, his success at whatever endeavor he chooses will likely be highly publicized or at least easily pinpointed through the media, off-hand sources, etc...
So long as the guy who was given DN power has decent deductive ability, he should immediately use his power to essentially use a blitz strategy and kill all individuals who have become moderately successful in their respective endeavors over the past 1 year. Additionally, since he can apply conditions to each death, there may be some avenue to put in as a condition for the person to use power 4 to help DN guy reach the other 3 remaining players. He can place this condition for all people he aims to kill: if they're not power 4 guy, heartattack; if power 4 guy, then condition applies.
(Edit 1: As a side note, another benefit of this strategy is that guy 1/2 may be taken out as a consolation prize. The use of time freeze/teleportation has potential to help garner a great amount of wealth in a short period of time. But since guy 4/5 are the greatest threats at the moment, it isn't really necessary to focus on guy 1/2 until those two are taken out. The best situation would be to use guy 4's power to locate and kill guy 5 using the DN. You can't kill guy 5 in person because you'd be taking a risk of hitting him during his cycle. And you can't kill guy 5 during his cycle because he'll figure out how to kill you in his subsequent cycles. EXCEPT, if you do it with the DN he will have no avenue to figure how he died on that particular moment thus nullifying the almost immunity he has during his cycles. You would also be shortening his cycle by a random amount for a good many years to come unless he somehow figures how you killed him. Then there would be the logistical issue of being able to kill DN guy since guy 5 wouldn't have 3 days to kill DN guy but a shortened period depending on when DN guy killed guy 5 during the cycle. And if DN guy kills guy 5 outside his cycle, he's dead.)
(Edit 2: And once again, the issue of research will not be a problem given DN guy's ability to control others' actions before their deaths. Through the use of the DN, he could use the labor of hundreds of other individuals who have access to confidential or more substantial databases to research then send him the info he needs. This could range from heads of state, members of the DOD or FBI, or even members of top consulting firms or think tanks. Why do the research yourself when someone else could do it more effectively in a shorter amount of time, then give you the results you need. So where everyone else it's FFA, DN guy it's him and anyone he controls vs. all. [And of course you'd have to be careful about the transfer of information to avert GHG tapping the paper trail.])
So long as DN guy has half a brain, he should be at an advantage in the beginning of the game. Realistically, DN guy's power and the GHG power should be the least susceptible to be uncovered through research given that GHG wouldn't have used his power until the competition began and DN guy would have the incentive to be most clandestine regarding his powers. I would put my money on either DN guy or GHG to win.
On October 05 2012 07:00 xNSwarm wrote: Since the five hour freeze guy isn't getting any love, i'm going to make a case for him.
He should be wealthy at the start of day one from all the money he collected testing out his power. His power leads him to be a nuclear physicist to study the effects of frozen time. He will have good control over a large nuclear energy plant and access to a object that he can fit in that can withstand leaving earth's atmosphere. The second day one starts he freezes time for five hours.
His "time freeze" essentially negates any interaction that particles would have with each other, besides any needed biological/life functions. He is allowed to move the location of particles, but they will not react to their new location until the time freeze ends.
Time freeze guy goes to nuclear plant and places a huge number of specific particles in a certain arrangement otherwise impossible with particle interaction. The particles are placed in a way where they will annihilate each other once time resumes, and release enough energy to eradicate all life on earth.
He then travels for 4 hours to where his durable object is located on top of a tall building. He sets up another particle interaction underneath it that will propel the object into space once time resumes.
Time resumes and he is hurtled into space just under the speed that would kill him. The nuclear power plant explodes and everyone on the surface of earth dies from the shock wave. GHG has no chance of escaping it even with 10000 tries. Time Freeze Guy's changes to the particle arrangements at the power plant cause such a large distortion in the space-time fabric that from the perspective of residents on earth, all actions outside of their atmosphere undergo an entire years worth of time in half a second.
Therefor, from the perspective of earthlings, Time freeze guy rightfully wins the competition.
This actually could be a way for freeze-guy to win, albeit in a different way. If he can get everyone on earth to die, except him due to his powers, then he wins the competition. I don't know about the whole particle arrangements thing, but what if he happened to use his wealth/powers to obtain a bunker stored with food. Then he used his powers to steal a shit-ton of viruses to start a global pandemic that kills 99% of the population. He's safe in his bunker and would win the game this way.
I don't see a way for death note guy to avoid the viruses. Omni guy might be able to. Jumper probably not. GHG maybe, but idk.
In any case, if Time freeze guy can start a catastrophic extinction event, and avoid it using his abilities, he wins. I suppose the same holds true for anyone but Time freeze guy (and maybe GHG) have it the easiest.
On October 05 2012 07:00 xNSwarm wrote: Since the five hour freeze guy isn't getting any love, i'm going to make a case for him.
He should be wealthy at the start of day one from all the money he collected testing out his power. His power leads him to be a nuclear physicist to study the effects of frozen time. He will have good control over a large nuclear energy plant and access to a object that he can fit in that can withstand leaving earth's atmosphere. The second day one starts he freezes time for five hours.
His "time freeze" essentially negates any interaction that particles would have with each other, besides any needed biological/life functions. He is allowed to move the location of particles, but they will not react to their new location until the time freeze ends.
Time freeze guy goes to nuclear plant and places a huge number of specific particles in a certain arrangement otherwise impossible with particle interaction. The particles are placed in a way where they will annihilate each other once time resumes, and release enough energy to eradicate all life on earth.
He then travels for 4 hours to where his durable object is located on top of a tall building. He sets up another particle interaction underneath it that will propel the object into space once time resumes.
Time resumes and he is hurtled into space just under the speed that would kill him. The nuclear power plant explodes and everyone on the surface of earth dies from the shock wave. GHG has no chance of escaping it even with 10000 tries. Time Freeze Guy's changes to the particle arrangements at the power plant cause such a large distortion in the space-time fabric that from the perspective of residents on earth, all actions outside of their atmosphere undergo an entire years worth of time in half a second.
Therefor, from the perspective of earthlings, Time freeze guy rightfully wins the competition.
Freezing time is imbalanced.
Although I don't think you can just simply "arrange" particles in a certain manner when time is frozen...
On October 05 2012 07:00 xNSwarm wrote: Since the five hour freeze guy isn't getting any love, i'm going to make a case for him.
He should be wealthy at the start of day one from all the money he collected testing out his power. His power leads him to be a nuclear physicist to study the effects of frozen time. He will have good control over a large nuclear energy plant and access to a object that he can fit in that can withstand leaving earth's atmosphere. The second day one starts he freezes time for five hours.
His "time freeze" essentially negates any interaction that particles would have with each other, besides any needed biological/life functions. He is allowed to move the location of particles, but they will not react to their new location until the time freeze ends.
Time freeze guy goes to nuclear plant and places a huge number of specific particles in a certain arrangement otherwise impossible with particle interaction. The particles are placed in a way where they will annihilate each other once time resumes, and release enough energy to eradicate all life on earth.
He then travels for 4 hours to where his durable object is located on top of a tall building. He sets up another particle interaction underneath it that will propel the object into space once time resumes.
Time resumes and he is hurtled into space just under the speed that would kill him. The nuclear power plant explodes and everyone on the surface of earth dies from the shock wave. GHG has no chance of escaping it even with 10000 tries. Time Freeze Guy's changes to the particle arrangements at the power plant cause such a large distortion in the space-time fabric that from the perspective of residents on earth, all actions outside of their atmosphere undergo an entire years worth of time in half a second.
Therefor, from the perspective of earthlings, Time freeze guy rightfully wins the competition.
Freezing time is imbalanced.
Although I don't think you can just simply "arrange" particles in a certain manner when time is frozen...
YOU CAN FREEZE TIME OMG TEACH PLOX
e: The point of the thread is wacky scenarios...and let's face it, particle physics is a little beyond my grasp anyways.
On October 05 2012 07:00 xNSwarm wrote: Since the five hour freeze guy isn't getting any love, i'm going to make a case for him.
He should be wealthy at the start of day one from all the money he collected testing out his power. His power leads him to be a nuclear physicist to study the effects of frozen time. He will have good control over a large nuclear energy plant and access to a object that he can fit in that can withstand leaving earth's atmosphere. The second day one starts he freezes time for five hours.
His "time freeze" essentially negates any interaction that particles would have with each other, besides any needed biological/life functions. He is allowed to move the location of particles, but they will not react to their new location until the time freeze ends.
Time freeze guy goes to nuclear plant and places a huge number of specific particles in a certain arrangement otherwise impossible with particle interaction. The particles are placed in a way where they will annihilate each other once time resumes, and release enough energy to eradicate all life on earth.
He then travels for 4 hours to where his durable object is located on top of a tall building. He sets up another particle interaction underneath it that will propel the object into space once time resumes.
Time resumes and he is hurtled into space just under the speed that would kill him. The nuclear power plant explodes and everyone on the surface of earth dies from the shock wave. GHG has no chance of escaping it even with 10000 tries. Time Freeze Guy's changes to the particle arrangements at the power plant cause such a large distortion in the space-time fabric that from the perspective of residents on earth, all actions outside of their atmosphere undergo an entire years worth of time in half a second.
Therefor, from the perspective of earthlings, Time freeze guy rightfully wins the competition.
Freezing time is imbalanced.
Although I don't think you can just simply "arrange" particles in a certain manner when time is frozen...
YOU CAN FREEZE TIME OMG TEACH PLOX
e: The point of the thread is wacky scenarios...and let's face it, particle physics is a little beyond my grasp anyways.
The ability to "freeze time" and still function yourself is very vague and has a lot of questions to answer to make sense. It kinda violates every law of physics etc. So i just took it to the extreme because I felt bad for the freeze guy.
So i did some math on DN and if he can find 3 pictures of a person a minute for 16 hours a day he could kill 1051200 people. Now count in the fact that all of these people live in modern countries and would likely have attracted some attention. This will make their pictures more prevalent on the internet. So DN should just stay as under the radar as possible while just searching the internet for rich people and killing them and then moving on to anybody he can find. I think that the shear quantity of killing he can do would allow him to win. He could also just start making random people go berserk and get shot by police as their way of dying. Or maybe specify someone get bombed or such. I just think that DN would be able to specify enough collateral damage to kill most of humanity while drawing no attention to himself. Because DN can just spam rampaging and then getting shot by cops, dying in a plane/car/train crash, or getting killed by a car bomb he would just kill everybody.
On October 05 2012 12:51 DBS wrote: So i did some math on DN and if he can find 3 pictures of a person a minute for 16 hours a day he could kill 1051200 people. Now count in the fact that all of these people live in modern countries and would likely have attracted some attention. This will make their pictures more prevalent on the internet. So DN should just stay as under the radar as possible while just searching the internet for rich people and killing them and then moving on to anybody he can find. I think that the shear quantity of killing he can do would allow him to win. He could also just start making random people go berserk and get shot by police as their way of dying. Or maybe specify someone get bombed or such. I just think that DN would be able to specify enough collateral damage to kill most of humanity while drawing no attention to himself. Because DN can just spam rampaging and then getting shot by cops, dying in a plane/car/train crash, or getting killed by a car bomb he would just kill everybody.
You forget that Omni guy can sell information to the police. At first the police might disregard Omni but when everything he says start coming true.....they will follow him and eventually DN guy will die.
Btw I skipped over the DN rules and it says multiple times that there can be no collateral damage on purpose. If there is, the cause of death will instead be heart attack.
death note guy easily wins. Because as the others kill eachother he will just set up an advanced security system around the house causing alarms the second something happens. Than once he knows whats up and has enough food storage for the year he can just start killing people all around the house and on the news and eventually the last remaining dude would come to get him. And the second he sees there face he can kill them. And as for the teleport guy who would try to just teleport in well the security system takes care of that because of the guns in each room designed to fire at an unfamiliar or unwelcome individual. bam
i am assuming a high level net worth for the death note guy which may be inappropriate but i didn't see anywhere which defined how much money they would have at the start. If he doesn't have this security system then there is no way death note man will win unfortunately
I have a question about the groundhog day guy power. For the period of 1 year, how many times can he activate his time loop outside any loop that already exists? Meaning for 365 days, say I already activated once for day 56 to day 58, do I have another chance to use the power for that guy?
but for discussions sake:
I would say a combo would work best here in this scenario. If I were the teleport guy and I knew the existence of the omniscient being, I could theoretically seek his assistance. Given the geographical distances between all 5, the teleporter has the quickest access to any 1 of the remaining 4 beings everyday. So I think he would maximize the potential of that power to seek out and ally himself with the omniscient one.
Once the "treaty" has been established, the next target is the death note guy to obtain the book from him. Teleport guy could just teleport and kill him on the spot (theoretically) for that day and return home the same day.
With the death note, the remaining two people could be eliminated with ease by just writing their name with the information from the omniscient, 1 a day basically.
How to close out the remaining 1 v 1 is through the treaty, basicaly the agreement I would theoretically establish is that since one of us is to become "god" (omnipotent), then once he becomes god he can just bring back his ally with no changes and/or consequence.
Also, the reason I raised a question for guy 5 is that since he chooses when the 3 day loop starts, this means there should be an active chance to choose. If he is unable to decide then and there to activate the groundhog loop, it basically puts him out of the contest. However, if his power continously allows him to set groundhog day loops the moment another ends, then he will obviously be the winner here.
The 5 hours a week freeze guy is a little tricky. Because, I think, since you are outside the frozen time, everything else theoretically can not react with each other. As such, you can not construct, build/weld. You may be able to place particles but that wasn't specified as part of your innate ability. As such, you may need to rely on machines to do so. With the time frozen, you would be unable to use motors as they don't move. The power did not specify that objects you interact with are unfrozen. So I believe it stands to reason at least that interactions between other objects are impossible during the time freeze.
Interesting concept but to attempt to really solve this, every little detail needs to be covered in the OP. As it stands with the information available (I admit reading a number of, but not all 26 pages) there are just too many possibilities that depend solely on the interpretation of the scenario. Every outcome can be countered as we aren't sure of the personalities/intelligence of the 5, locations (are those suggested by OP merely suggestions? If not, in this order corresponding to the order of the people listed?), exact definitions of their abilities and their limitations etc etc. Though I take it there is probably no single answer either way..?
They've all had a year to test their abilities without knowing why, so there could be some obvious tells which would lead to them being found. The unstealable is stolen from a bank in Switzerland? A string of highly suspicious deaths in England? 100mil is won in the US? (providing this follows the guidelines the OP set in not drawing huge attention to themselves [or is it attention towards their powers as people win the lotto all the time?]). After the dream however, all know they are in danger and have the ability or possibly the resources to disappear which could mean the clues left are now void.
My train of thought from what i've read is if Omni is unable to track down DN, the only outcome seems to be that the year will run out with more than 1 alive and there is no winner.
day 1 - Omni guy wakes up and asks what is everyone's greatest strength from his dream.
day 2 - Omni guy asks how to avoid/remain out of contact from all who threaten him today.
day 3 - Omni guy asks how to survive in his present state (free and healthy) for 24 hours/today.
GHG power runs out. He's now a regular human being for the remainder of the year.
day 4 - Omni guy works on obtaining the death note.
day 5 - Omni guy writes everyone's name in the death note.
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GHG can only kill Omni guy on day 1. That's roughly 30-35 years of time for GHG to find a random silhouette of a person he's seen in a dream. Keep in mind that those 30-35 years is just a single day being repeated. This means that all contacts and friends he makes in day 1 will no longer trust him when time resets. He has to regain everyone's trust everyday in order for them to do what he wants. This means that he has to wake up as a normal person and then find a way to kill a specific person halfway across the world within 24 hours.
GHG can't kill Omni guy on days 2 and 3 because Omni guy asked how to avoid GHG today. This means that if Omni guy hides under his bed in day 2, he will no longer be there on the reset of day 2 because every morning he asks an omniscient being how to be undetected that day. If GHG goes to check under the bed the Omni guy is not there anymore. He acts differently during the reset because GHG is acting differently too. The omniscient voice knows the answers. On top of this GHG doesn't even know what Omni guy's power is. Even if he finds Omni guy on day 3 then Omni guy won't be killed by him, it could even be possible that they fight and Omni guy kills GHG on day 3. The death note won't work on Omni guy on days 2 and 3 also.
It's possible anyone of these people can win this fight but Omni guy is the clear favorite in single handedly taking out the other 4. He's clearly the strongest in this scenario. It will always be situation based. Lock them all in a room and the guy who freezes time now has the strongest power.
Poster above me didn´t read the OP They all know about each others powers.
You´re also completely ignoring the possibility of mind games, GHG can easily activate his powers a day later, at which point Omni asks how to obtain the death note according to you.
On October 06 2012 01:51 Mataza wrote: Poster above me didn´t read the OP They all know about each others powers.
You´re also completely ignoring the possibility of mind games, GHG can easily activate his powers a day later, at which point Omni asks how to obtain the death note according to you.
I just reread the opening post and it doesn't mention anywhere that they know of each others powers. It says they see silhouettes of each other and see features such as height, build, and gender but nothing of their powers being known. It's also mentioned that the GHG activates his power on day 1.
I don't know if it was mentioned somewhere else or if the rules were changed.
I think you're right about one thing though. Omni guy would have to find out if GHG used his power. That adds another 35 years for GHG. I guess it's a toss up between those 2. It comes down to how well they prepared in their year of practice before this insanity started.
On October 06 2012 01:51 Mataza wrote: Poster above me didn´t read the OP They all know about each others powers.
You´re also completely ignoring the possibility of mind games, GHG can easily activate his powers a day later, at which point Omni asks how to obtain the death note according to you.
I just reread the opening post and it doesn't mention anywhere that they know of each others powers. It says they see silhouettes of each other and see features such as height, build, and gender but nothing of their powers being known. It's also mentioned that the GHG activates his power on day 1.
I don't know if it was mentioned somewhere else or if the rules were changed.
The thing is that OP guy Ikidomari mentioned that they know each other's powers ONLY IN the top post of the 3rd page of this thread that no new reader visits any more. Therefore, about half of the discussion in this thread, especially latter half of it, is entirely useless because different people are using different rules to reason their opinions. Since no one would reread the entire thread any more and I doubt OP guy would come back, this thread is and should be dead soon.
On October 06 2012 01:51 Mataza wrote: Poster above me didn´t read the OP They all know about each others powers.
You´re also completely ignoring the possibility of mind games, GHG can easily activate his powers a day later, at which point Omni asks how to obtain the death note according to you.
I just reread the opening post and it doesn't mention anywhere that they know of each others powers. It says they see silhouettes of each other and see features such as height, build, and gender but nothing of their powers being known. It's also mentioned that the GHG activates his power on day 1.
I don't know if it was mentioned somewhere else or if the rules were changed.
The thing is that OP guy Ikidomari mentioned that they know each other's powers ONLY IN the top post of the 3rd page of this thread that no new reader visits any more. Therefore, about half of the discussion in this thread, especially latter half of it, is entirely useless because different people are using different rules to reason their opinions. Since no one would reread the entire thread any more and I doubt OP guy would come back, this thread is and should be dead soon.
Actually it increases the lifetime of this thread if not pointed out all the time. If according to your knowledge you´re right and the other one is right according to his own knowledge, you both feel you´re right. Most people don´t step back when they feel they´re right.
It increases the lifetime of the thread until people give up as continuing discussion is kind of pointless. It's like saying if x + y = 5, what is x.. no one's wrong if they say x is 1,2,3,4.. and over the past 20+ pages everyone has said 1,2,3,4.. I think if OP covers what I brought up in my post above (as have others in theirs) we could get somewhere.
Either way, OP did mention omni can only ask one question a day, so he could ask what one persons greatest strength is on day 1, not all 5. Though who is to say that question is going to give you the answer you need? GHG's ability would be pointless if he activated it on day 1, only to find nothing is available to him to work with during those 3 days and so a possible wasted opportunity (which the omni voice would know would happen). If GHG realises this could happen and takes another course of action, maybe his greatest strength would be his intelligence/whatever in doing so, for that 24hr period. But yeah, 3rd page lets us know they all know each others powers anyway.
On October 06 2012 19:56 PPTouch wrote: Through the past pages most people have neglected to realize that the OP has stated that Omni cannot repeat questions.
im tossing up whether or not it's worth it to completely rewrite the OP explaining all the rules more clearly, or if the thread's run it's course and it isn't worth it.
Ryuk wins. He was bored and planned everything for fun. Gave Kira the death note and told him and everyone else in their dreams that who ever wins this fight will become God. GHG spends all his time finding and killing Omni guy within 3 days. Teleport guy becomes a famous bank robber until they start planting cameras in the bank vaults and finds out his identity. Kira kills him on sight. L the notorious detective gets his reputation by stopping unsolvable cases such as the vanishing man. L imprisoned time freeze guy and gets put on the Kira case. Don't read on if you haven't yet watched Death Note
Kira kills L. Near goes after Kira. Kira gets shot and then killed by Ryuk. GHG can't kill time freeze guy because he's locked up in a secure prison. Time runs out and they both die. Ryuk laughs as he takes a bite of an apple in the world of the dead.
On October 06 2012 19:56 PPTouch wrote: Through the past pages most people have neglected to realize that the OP has stated that Omni cannot repeat questions.
im tossing up whether or not it's worth it to completely rewrite the OP explaining all the rules more clearly, or if the thread's run it's course and it isn't worth it.
Well you could since you "started" it. hehe!
There are things that are still vague that no one will be able to give you a definite "gameplan" because a lot of things were left out.
It does leave for interesting posts like the one about the time freeze guy rearranging particles but that leaves things up in the air like if he could really do that.
Given that you are the arbiter of this discussion, it should be ok to clear it up in the OP and just like to the page where they should start over, if that is at all possible (post-edit and clarification).
It would also be quite useful to know where the people stand at the beginning of the year. I mean omni had one year of massing riches through which could be in a clever way like currency trading or the most obvious in winning a shitton of cash through the lottery. this eases or hardens the way to track him down.
the same with teleport/timefreeze. They could rob banks or they could steal from mobsters. or they are honest and just have fun at the parties.
DN obv.could get something done and also: how far is he willing to go. would he kill POTUS or is he more of a "criminalkiller". Would he use his powers to obtain riches?
does GHG get some special prep or is he thrown in just by chance?
EPT
Nevertheless, you pretty much summed up my opinion, intel is OP.
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