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Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 19:19:42
October 02 2012 15:53 GMT
#1
Hey TL, hows your day been going?

SCENARIO:
5 people with superpowers have to fight to the death, the winner becomes a god!

Their Powers:
+ Show Spoiler +

guy 1: can freeze time for 5 hours a week, he HAS to freeze time for 5 hours a week or he loses his power. he still ages while time is frozen.

guy 2: he can teleport twice a day, he HAS to teleport twice a day or he loses powers, second teleport is a "return" teleport.

guy 3: gets a death note, (basically same as in the anime, but for those who haven't watched, if he writes someone's name in a notebook, he can specify their time of death up to 23 days in advance, he can specify the cause of death, but not create impossible circumstances. for example. he CAN make someone rob a bank and get shot dead. he CANNOT make someone wake up on mars and suffocate. If their name is written, and the cause of death cannot be met, they will die of a heart attack. He needs to picture their face to be able to kill them)

guy 4: has an omniscient voice in his head. it will answer 1 question per day truthfully and fully (unless specified otherwise). won't explain the answer in terms you can understand unless you specify (Eg, if you asked how to live forever, it might list a bunch of chemistry, physics, and biology jargon. much of which may or may not have been invented in the present day)

guy 5: lives through "Groundhog day" except it lasts 3 days instead of 1.
He gets to choose when his 3 days begin, but once it starts, he cannot stop it, he has to do the full time. he gets "100 years worth of days" before the time loop ends. however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time. (this is equivalent to 12'175 resets of the 3-day period) he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4"


Extra things you should know before asking questions README!!
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-5 random people around the world gain superpowers.
-each with it's own strong-point and Achilles heel.
-They get approximately a year to play around with their ability, learn it's ins and outs.
-none of them draw huge attention to themselves, but they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them.
-they never meet or become aware of each others existence during this year
-after this year, they all have a "Dream" where they appear in a room with each other. they can see each other's silhouettes, so body build, gender, height, but not features like face, skin color, or clothing.
-they are told they have to kill each other, the winner (last person alive) becomes a god.
-if a winner is not selected by the end of 1 year, they all die regardless.
-they each live in a different technologically advanced country.
-for the sake of argument one in Japan, Australia, Britain, Korea, USA. however for the sake of not complicating things. They all hear each other speak in their home language. E.G. if the australian speaks in english, the korean hears him speak in korean. The australian hears the korean speak in english.


why the heck am I writing this?
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Myself and some friends at university spent a good 3+ hours debating this topic, and there was no clear winner. every "Strategy" one of us came up with, a counter strategy was offered to beat it later. I also have a speech tomorrow at 2pm, so instead of practicing it, I would rather procrastinate, and what better way to do so than present you guys with an interesting topic, and join in arguing about possibilities?
P.S. I know this is fiction, so if it isn't worthy of the general forum, please move it to blogs, however if i personally thought it belonged there I would have done it there in the first place


If this thread takes off and we get a decent discussion, any updates will be added to this spoiler.
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PATCHES:
Omniscient guy nerfed, one question per day, cannot repeat questions, cannot ask questions that go more than 24 hours into the future.

REGARDING THE DEATH NOTE:
If another player finds the deathnote, they ARE able to use it to their advantage. they all know that the death note owner needs a name and a face, they DO NOT know he needs to write it in the note. they also do not know of the note's existence. they may find out about it. through the owner telling them, or the omniscient voice alerting them, or through their own deduction.


DETAILED EXPLANATION OF GUY 5
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okay so here's whats up
at the start of the 365 days they have to kill each other, the world is in a 3 day time loop. at the end of 3 days, the world resets EXACTLY How it was at the start of the 3 days, with one exception. GHG. he remembers the 3 days, and can do whatever he wants in the next set of 3 days. this happens for 12175 cycles, and then progresses to day 4.
GHG retains memories. not physical body though
GHG doesn't get a warning of when the cycle will end, however he is intelligent enough to know that he gets 12175 retries. he can technically remember. though this would be near impossible, he COULD do it.
HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE.
CYCLE 1: GHG stays in his house, does nothing.
1 kills 2, 2 kills 3, 3 kills 4 AND 1, 3 is last alive besides GHG, cant find him, cycle resets.
CYCLE 2: GHG goes outside, kills 1, 2 lives, kills the rest except GHG. Cycle resets
CYCLE 3: GHG doesnt go outside. exactly the same as cycle 1.
CYCLE 4: GHG dun goofed and got hisself killed on day 1 of the cycle, wakes up on day 1 of cycle 5

If GHG gets himself killed and there is a clear winner before the 12175 cycles are over.. i dunno.. It is fairly safe to say it's impossible for there to be a winner THIS quickly (if someone comes up with a strat. let me know)



P.S. If omniscient guy asks "What will I do tomorrow?" can he a) change it, showing his power isn't all knowing and cannot predict different timestreams. or b) does he do it, proving(?) he has no free will of his own, and everything he (the universe?) does is predetermined.
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
October 02 2012 15:56 GMT
#2
What's stopping the first guy from just freezing the time and killing all the others right away?
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Martyrc
Profile Joined May 2012
217 Posts
October 02 2012 15:58 GMT
#3
He has to find them first, Personally, though, I'm betting on the omniscient one.
¨First in, last out.¨
Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
October 02 2012 15:59 GMT
#4
they're in different countries. 5 hours isn't enough to get from Japan > Australia > America > Britain > Korea without planes (they don't move when time is frozen)
Groundhog day guy gets killed immediately, realizes this is a problem for his remaining 12174 attempts, thinks of a way out of it

either i didn't include it or you didn't read, they're in a dream when they're told of the scenario, not physically together, they wake up in their respective countries.
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
kaiz0ku
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Greece289 Posts
October 02 2012 16:00 GMT
#5
Well what happens if they are really far away ?
And if he freezes time he probably can't transport with planes etc he can only walk.
rethos
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania103 Posts
October 02 2012 16:00 GMT
#6
The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.
Flash is a beast... And we love it this way
Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
October 02 2012 16:01 GMT
#7
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote:
The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.

just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 16:04:23
October 02 2012 16:03 GMT
#8
On October 03 2012 01:01 Ikidomari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote:
The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.

just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.


"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."

Or a variant that is more specific even. Unless the omniscient voice returns "You're SOL here, buddy"
Yargh
Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
October 02 2012 16:04 GMT
#9
On October 03 2012 01:03 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 01:01 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote:
The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.

just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.


"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."

"It is impossible for you to win this fight"
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 16:06:37
October 02 2012 16:05 GMT
#10
On October 03 2012 01:04 Ikidomari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 01:03 JinDesu wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:01 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote:
The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.

just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.


"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."

"It is impossible for you to win this fight"

well if this is the answer than it's pointless for him. So this couldn't be the answer...
VyingsP
Profile Joined December 2011
France174 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 08:21:40
October 02 2012 16:05 GMT
#11
Crucial point seems to be intel here. I'm gonna go with guy 4. He will be able to know what are the other's powers, and how to deal with them in an absolute perfect fashion. None of the other will be able to locate him soon enough if he is somewhat clever. Plus, if I understand correctly, the other's powers need to be activated (somehow, by will for instance ?) and thus won't save them from the detonation of a bomb, or a gunshot for example (correct me if I'm wrong).

Did I miss something ?

edit :
Poll: Who would win ?

One-question-a-day guy (41)
 
44%

Groundhog Day guy (25)
 
27%

Death Note guy (13)
 
14%

Freeze-time guy (10)
 
11%

Teleport guy (4)
 
4%

93 total votes

Your vote: Who would win ?

(Vote): Freeze-time guy
(Vote): Teleport guy
(Vote): Death Note guy
(Vote): One-question-a-day guy
(Vote): Groundhog Day guy


Corrections of my bad english are much welcome
rethos
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania103 Posts
October 02 2012 16:05 GMT
#12
On October 03 2012 01:01 Ikidomari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote:
The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.

just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.

But, to continue the analogy, you don't ask for the "idea" you ask for the actual solution. To rephrase: "What is a set of instructions that I can understand and follow that will lead to me winning?"
Flash is a beast... And we love it this way
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
October 02 2012 16:05 GMT
#13
On October 03 2012 01:04 Ikidomari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 01:03 JinDesu wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:01 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote:
The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.

just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.


"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."

"It is impossible for you to win this fight"


If that's true, then we can eliminate him, and argue about the rest.
Yargh
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
October 02 2012 16:08 GMT
#14
On October 03 2012 01:05 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 01:04 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:03 JinDesu wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:01 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote:
The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.

just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.


"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."

"It is impossible for you to win this fight"


If that's true, then we can eliminate him, and argue about the rest.

But we can't answer this kind os answer can we?
Or else you'd just have to ask who will win.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
October 02 2012 16:09 GMT
#15
This seems like a really strange question. I don't think the groundhog one has a chance though. Somehow I imagine the death note one would win, as he could just defend himself well and wait for the others to come to him, before quickly jotting down their death for 2 mins in advance...
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LoliSquad
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway45 Posts
October 02 2012 16:09 GMT
#16
On October 03 2012 01:03 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 01:01 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote:
The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.

just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.


"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."

Or a variant that is more specific even. Unless the omniscient voice returns "You're SOL here, buddy"


It may be that there is no way for him to win.
Fen2
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia51 Posts
October 02 2012 16:10 GMT
#17
Guy 4 is the only guy who would reliably be able to identify the others. He would win vs the other 4 simply due to this fact. With that knowledge, he should be able to kill the others without them having time to respond and use their powers in defence.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
October 02 2012 16:10 GMT
#18
On October 03 2012 01:09 LoliSquad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 01:03 JinDesu wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:01 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote:
The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.

just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.


"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."

Or a variant that is more specific even. Unless the omniscient voice returns "You're SOL here, buddy"


It may be that there is no way for him to win.


So if he can't win, then we are down one winner. We could have him influence who wins, but we can instantly say he can't win.

On October 03 2012 01:08 antilyon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 01:05 JinDesu wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:04 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:03 JinDesu wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:01 Ikidomari wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:00 rethos wrote:
The guy that can ask questions should ask: "What is the correct way to proceed to make sure that I win this?" Than does just that.

just because he knows how to proceed doesn't mean he has the ability to do so. just because you're told how to solve a masters degree level math problem, doesn't mean you would have the ability to do so.


"What is the easiest way within my ability for me to kill my 4 other opponents before they can kill me."

"It is impossible for you to win this fight"


If that's true, then we can eliminate him, and argue about the rest.

But we can't answer this kind os answer can we?
Or else you'd just have to ask who will win.


That could be a good second question. Again, OP said it's an omniscient voice. You can ask any question.
Yargh
Ikidomari
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia485 Posts
October 02 2012 16:11 GMT
#19
i'd rather not eliminate him. maybe "nerf" his power slightly?
PATCH 1.01
Nerfs: Omniscient guy
His voice is only omniscient of the next 24 hours in the current timeloop.
-E.G. he can ask how to survive for the next 24 hours, but not 24 hours 1 minute.
-He may not ask the same question twice, however, a question's answer can be repeated multiple times assuming it does not change.
Just break the rules, and you see the truth.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
October 02 2012 16:11 GMT
#20
On October 03 2012 01:05 VyingsP wrote:
Crucial point seems to be intel here. I'm gonna go with guy 4. He will be able to know what are the other's powers, and how to deal with them in an absolute perfect fashion. None of the other will be able to locate him soon enough if he is somewhat clever. Plus, if I understand correctly, the other's powers need to be activated (somehow, by will for instance ?) and thus won't save them from the detonation of a bomb, or a gunshot for example (correct me if I'm wrong).

Did I miss something ?

This seems to make sense. He finds out where the others are, then hires hitmen to take them out one by one using the money he earned abusing his power.
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