EPTCan someone explain what the 5th guy's power is?
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nooboon
2602 Posts
Can someone explain what the 5th guy's power is? | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
1st day : ask lottery results of tomorrow 2nd day : ask identity and locality of other guys 3rd day : ask where you can find hitmans 4th day : spend lottery money on hiring tons of hitman to assassinate the targets and ask where you should hide 5th-365th day : repeat | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:11 Ikidomari wrote: i'd rather not eliminate him. maybe "nerf" his power slightly? PATCH 1.01 Nerfs: Omniscient guy His voice is only omniscient of the next 24 hours in the current timeloop. -E.G. he can ask how to survive for the next 24 hours, but not 24 hours 1 minute. -He may not ask the same question twice, however, a question's answer can be repeated multiple times assuming it does not change. That's fine - nerf him to be omniscient for 24 hours, and maybe not ask questions that reveal intents of others... but it's tricky to balance ;x | ||
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:12 JinDesu wrote: That's fine - nerf him to be omniscient for 24 hours, and maybe not ask questions that reveal intents of others... but it's tricky to balance ;x he can still ask questions involving others. He can say "Where is X" or "How do i kill X" not "How do i find and kill X" as that is 2 questions in 1 sentence. On October 03 2012 01:12 Diks wrote: If they all live in a different continent and they have only sees each other silhouettes, chances are they'll never be able to find each other, except for omnipotent guy; so here is the plan : 1st day : ask lottery results of tomorrow 2nd day : ask identity and locality of other guys 3rd day : ask where you can find hitmans 4th day : spend lottery money on hiring tons of hitman to assassinate the targets and ask where you should hide 5th-365th day : repeat he can't ask repeat questions. there is no guaruntee he won't die before day-3 ----- Also I stated they left enough traces that they COULD be tracked down if someone was looking for the signs (time freeze guy could, i dunno, get into CIA's database, groundhog guy has 100 years to do the same) On October 03 2012 01:11 nooboon wrote: The key thing here is that they don't know each others names, so no google/facebook searches here. Also the fourth guy is pretty much screwed. Can someone explain what the 5th guy's power is? Guy 5 gets 12000 lives. think mario. | ||
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Fen2
Australia51 Posts
If he activates his groundhog straight away, and then spends the next 100 years working out how to bring about the apocalypse on earth (detonating nukes or whatever), he could ensure that he has wiped everyone out and become a god. Then as his first act of being a god, reverse the destruction he has caused | ||
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VyingsP
France174 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:12 Diks wrote: If they all live in a different continent and they have only sees each other silhouettes, chances are they'll never be able to find each other, except for omnipotent guy; so here is the plan : 1st day : ask lottery results of tomorrow 2nd day : ask identity and locality of other guys 3rd day : ask where you can find hitmans 4th day : spend lottery money on hiring tons of hitman to assassinate the targets and ask where you should hide 5th-365th day : repeat The idea is interesting, but winning lottery every 5 days is exactly the kind of things you wanna avoid in order to stay hidden  Nevertheless, you pretty much summed up my opinion, intel is OP.As for the "nerf patch", I am not sure it is good design. Maybe buff the others and give them more intel about the others powers/location ? edit : post above me wins the thread easily | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:20 Fen2 wrote: Groundhog guy does stand a chance. If he activates his groundhog straight away, and then spends the next 100 years working out how to bring about the apocalypse on earth (detonating nukes or whatever), he could ensure that he has wiped everyone out and become a god. Then as his first act of being a god, reverse the destruction he has caused if you were groundhog guy, would you be willing to bet on the fact that it's even POSSIBLE to cause that to happen in 3 days, sure, maybe the leader of any countries military could do that. maybe not. I don't think his psyche would allow him. and after say, 20 years of failed attempts, he would have horrible mental ill effects, wasting much of his time. and assuming he causes the apocalypse and becomes a god, it would be incredibly hard. 1: omniscient guy learns of his plans, foils them. 2: Teleporter doesn't die to first nuke, teleports to neutral location 3: Time freeze guy doesn't die to first nuke, freezes time and stops it 4: death note guy doesn't die to first nuke, kills everyone capable of launching a nuke (I'm assuming nuclear war is the apocalypse he started) | ||
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:22 Orek wrote: Assuming they are all desperate to win so that they don't die in 1 year, then alliance is a reasonable possibility. Complete FFA 1v1v1v1v1 is hard to win, but 2v1v1v1 is so much easier to win for allied players. Even knowing inevitable betrayal from your ally, chance of survival would be higher with a teammate than solo. If I were one of those guys, I would first think of who to ally with. thankyou. my uni friends brought this up immediately. YOU HAVE TO GO DEEPER! | ||
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
What stops omniscient voice in his head guy from asking for the exact location guy 1, 2, 3, 5 will be at in X days? 'What will be the exact position of guy 1 on the 7th of October 2012, 15:00 GMT?' should be a valid question, or not? edit: omniscient voice in the head guy also should have unlimited monetary abilities, so paying people to do the dirty work and just blasting everything within 10 metres of the position given should be easy. | ||
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
They all know the silhouette and POWER belonging to each silhouette (Eg, they all know the death note is owned by a lean male, and that the ability to freeze time is owned by a small girl with long hair, or whatever it may be.) | ||
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:27 Rimstalker wrote: I don't 'get' guy 5's superpower. If he dies in the 4th spot, his whole time is up, and the survivor becomes a god? What stops omniscient voice in his head guy from asking for the exact location guy 1, 2, 3, 5 will be at in X days? 'What will be the exact position of guy 1 on the 7th of October 2012, 15:00 GMT?' should be a valid question, or not? he gets to relive and fool around in a 3 day period 12000 times, discovering various strategies to survive the 3 days and beyond Omniscient voice question was answered earlier, he CAN ask where X person will be at X time, this doesn't mean he can get there in time, this also doesn't mean he has the ability to kill them. it's one question per day, with a 24 hour "future" foresight for the voice. | ||
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BigBossX
United Kingdom357 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:18 Ikidomari wrote: Guy 5 gets 12000 lives. think mario. But after 1 year they all die, so doesn't he get 365 lives? | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
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kuresuti
1393 Posts
Groundhog day guy can't really make a foolproof plan if he doesn't know the others powers, hell he doesn't even know if they have powers to begin with. 4th guy definitely wins this. | ||
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Demus
Netherlands305 Posts
Guy 2 could teleport to the different countries to start looking, but will be very hard pressed to actually find all other 4 in time. Also, once he teleports to them he's got no guirantee he'll actually be able to take them out, while all but guy 3 will be able to defend against him reasonably well. Guy 3 seems to be the worst off. While guys 2, 4 and 5 have got some way of looking for the others, he really has to rely on things like the internet to find them. Has got the upper hand against guy 1 though, as long as guy 1 doesn't realise who guy 3 is while being in the immediate area (if they're on opposite ends of the world things get complicated). Guy 4 has a good chance. He should be able to figure out who the other people are within a week, and know where they are and how to kill them within a month. The first question should be "What's the name of the person within the dream who will be able to kill me the soonest". Guy 5 actually has a pretty decent chance, as long as he sets his groundhog day correctly. First thing up: travel to Dubai or smth similar. Once triggered, spend the first day at the horse tracks, to figure out the winning horses. After that you should have enough money to travel around the world, with a good airport to go places. Then you've got about 15 years per person left to find the others, with the remaining time used to plan how to kill them (hired assassins seem likely, since he'll be hard pressed to travel to the 5 places in 3 days, and i'm assuming the "kills" don't carry over to the next days). My vote goes to Guy 5, basically since if he's fast enough, he should be able to trigger his groundhogday before guy 4 can ask enough questions | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
4th too OP, 2nd too weak. I don't see how you can fix the 4th guy without just making him worthless. | ||
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:29 Ikidomari wrote: he gets to relive and fool around in a 3 day period 12000 times, discovering various strategies to survive the 3 days and beyond Omniscient voice question was answered earlier, he CAN ask where X person will be at X time, this doesn't mean he can get there in time, this also doesn't mean he has the ability to kill them. it's one question per day, with a 24 hour "future" foresight for the voice. sorry, but the scenario gets more and more stupid. Omniscient voice guy should easily have a billion or so dolares, he can have 20 assassin teams on call, that should easily do it. also, IF he is omniscient, than groundhog guy is all out of luck, his position will be known, and he will be assassinated - our hit squads use radiation, explosives and poisonous gas. | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
and i believe is far to put the invisible man in the fight. my 7 man on the contest will be: -stop time controller -invisible man -mind controller and reader. -death note owner -the one full of knowledge, i thought in the scenario where he has a PC with infinite speed where he can model whatever scenario possible on the earth. - teleporter - one that can duplicate any object, (coins, money, food, bullets, chlorine gas, nuclear weapons) ever will need one original, to make the copy. the "Groundhog day" scenario is really hard to manage. | ||
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VyingsP
France174 Posts
On October 03 2012 01:33 Demus wrote:Guy 3 seems to be the worst off. While guys 2, 4 and 5 have got some way of looking for the others, he really has to rely on things like the internet to find them. Has got the upper hand against guy 1 though, as long as guy 1 doesn't realise who guy 3 is while being in the immediate area (if they're on opposite ends of the world things get complicated). Don't underestimate guy 3. He can easily set up some kind of setup where he controls a top officer of Interpol, putting him on the tracks of the 4 others before letting him die. He can give away the silhouettes and powers this way, and even get the data gathered by the police. Not saying this is sufficient to win, but should definitely not be underestimated. | ||
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