|
On October 03 2012 01:56 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 01:52 xuanzue wrote:On October 03 2012 01:45 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 01:42 xuanzue wrote:
if the guy 4 kill the guy 3, can the guy 4 control the death note? Yes. He won't necessarily know where it is though. unless he has it in his possession it is useless. then I'll call the guy 4 will win. guy 4 only need to know who is guy 3 and where is. i suppose the universe isn't deterministic, so he can't ask for number of lottery. to make money he can ask for a loan shark, and how to kill the shark with any sort of poison/weapon. or he can ask how to cheat in any casino. guy 4 can travel where the guy 3, and try to kill him, the voice can bring many ways to kill him. one time he's dead, will ask to the voice where the death note is. and then ask the voice for the name of the others guys. the death note requires a face, which requires him to see someone personally. a voice, no matter how omniscient, cannot describe someone so well, and, say it could, the human brain is not powerful enough to perfectly imagine the face based off of a description.
Give me the easiest way and login/password to access the police database in guy 1/2/5 country. Browse the id card database and find pictures. gg
|
On October 03 2012 01:58 Rimstalker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 01:54 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 01:50 antilyon wrote:On October 03 2012 01:36 Rimstalker wrote:On October 03 2012 01:29 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 01:27 Rimstalker wrote:
I don't 'get' guy 5's superpower. If he dies in the 4th spot, his whole time is up, and the survivor becomes a god?
What stops omniscient voice in his head guy from asking for the exact location guy 1, 2, 3, 5 will be at in X days?
'What will be the exact position of guy 1 on the 7th of October 2012, 15:00 GMT?' should be a valid question, or not? he gets to relive and fool around in a 3 day period 12000 times, discovering various strategies to survive the 3 days and beyond Omniscient voice question was answered earlier, he CAN ask where X person will be at X time, this doesn't mean he can get there in time, this also doesn't mean he has the ability to kill them. it's one question per day, with a 24 hour "future" foresight for the voice. sorry, but the scenario gets more and more stupid. Omniscient voice guy should easily have a billion or so dolares, he can have 20 assassin teams on call, that should easily do it. also, IF he is omniscient, than groundhog guy is all out of luck, his position will be known, and he will be assassinated - our hit squads use radiation, explosives and poisonous gas. Yes, but GroundhogdayGuy(GDG), will also have unlimited resources, afterall, he would know everything that happened on the first day span. GHG is the "Hard Counter" to early Omniscient guy It would take a minimum of 5 days for omniscient to be in a position of power. Day 1: learn how to survive next 24 hours Day 2: Obtain money Day 3: learn location of others Day 4: Learn how to hire assassins and kill others Day 5: Repeat step 3 until others are dead GHG does not have to worry about anyone at all in the 1st 3 days, as he cannot lose in this period. you are bending your rules as you go. You wrote they have one year to prepare. Omniscient wins lottery once, after that it's a bit of stock market trading and he has his billion. No way to track that down.
okay, remove the make money step, that's still 4 days until the he's able to learn the identity of and order a kill on someone
Assume he has the hitmen already he's rich w/e.
Assume under amazing circumstance he is able to learn the identity of, order a hit on, and have the assassins arive to GHG's location by the 3rd day, before the loop resets. GHG has 12'000 tries to not be in that place. and if it's impossible for him to live through that 3rd, final day, he still has the 1st 2 to discover the identity of and kill omniscient, 12000 times.
|
Groundhog day guy's ability is actually a curse, because his mental state can be affected by omniscient guy, in a way that is to omniscient guy's advantage, even if omniscient guy isn't aware of groundhog day.
At the beginning of every day he asks what he can do today to best influence his chances of winning. The omniscient entity inside his head is AWARE of the fact that it is a groundhog day, since it is omniscient, so gives advice that causes him to do something that will eventually influence groundhog day guy in a way that is beneficial to omniscient guy and of detriment to groundhog day guy.
|
The key question is, if they know during their 1 year training period that they need to compete against the others to the death in the next year.
Because if they are NOT aware that the competition is going to happen, its very unlikely that they won't "draw huge attention" during that training period. If you get a year of teleporting or time freezing just to fool around its highly probable to go megalomaniac and do stuff like appearing backstage on the victorias secret fashion show or to rob a bank or something and end up in the news some way or the other.
Also time freeze guy is within 5 hour travel distance simply stronger than teleporting guy, because for everyone else, time freeze guy is also "teleporting" if he moves, plus he can do other stuff during that time. And you can travel quite far in 5 hours when everything else is frozen.
Edit: You can also assume that everyone except GroundhogGuy is RICH AS FUCK after the one year of training. So monetary stuff is pretty much out of the equasion.
|
How many times can GDG activate his ability? Only once in a lifespan?
Edit:Teleport guy has just no chance on this.
|
On October 03 2012 01:56 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 01:52 xuanzue wrote:On October 03 2012 01:45 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 01:42 xuanzue wrote:
if the guy 4 kill the guy 3, can the guy 4 control the death note? Yes. He won't necessarily know where it is though. unless he has it in his possession it is useless. then I'll call the guy 4 will win. guy 4 only need to know who is guy 3 and where is. i suppose the universe isn't deterministic, so he can't ask for number of lottery. to make money he can ask for a loan shark, and how to kill the shark with any sort of poison/weapon. or he can ask how to cheat in any casino. guy 4 can travel where the guy 3, and try to kill him, the voice can bring many ways to kill him. one time he's dead, will ask to the voice where the death note is. and then ask the voice for the name of the others guys. the death note requires a face, which requires him to see someone personally. a voice, no matter how omniscient, cannot describe someone so well, and, say it could, the human brain is not powerful enough to perfectly imagine the face based off of a description.
He can ask for the location of his target, go and look at his face for a sec and then proceed to kill the dude. As simple as that, being all knowing is so effing op
|
hands down omniscient guy wins:
First day: I ask where can I get a bunch of money in a day
Second day: I ask where is the safest place to hide from those guys (probably in some fast boat in an ocean or atomic Uboat - you could live there for a year) - find a ways to get it fast
Third day I would ask: Where I can get best assassins for current situation - hire them
Then such questions would be viable: where can I find epic mastermind to help me deal with a problem and how can I persuade him to help me?
other guys have weaknesses:
guy 1: if I send 5-6 waves of assasins every day for him - clearly he will be in position that he cant stop time
guy 2 : he has to teleport back after he telepors away - just put an army and wait for him to come back
guy 3 : for sure I will have enough time to get him and kill him first so he would not gather enough intel about me
guy 5 : I bet if I were hiding in uboat, no way that he would be able to reach me in 3 days from any given point of earth - say in the middle of pacific. Provided he has no access to intel he will not pick decent spot to start his Groudhog day at required spot to reach me.
I think 3rd guy would be hardest for omniscient one as he would need to work fast against him - maybe even kill him using his bare hands in first few days (before trying to win lotery or become rich in 1-2 days so he would not get my photograph) - then I would work on hiding epicly and try to track what guy 5 is doing to be able to find safest place to hide. Then other 2 die and that leaves omniscient vs guy 5. I am still thinking at a decent way to counter him. Maybe get connections to be able to shut him down in any place in the world - like assasins network.
|
On October 03 2012 01:59 Penke wrote:
Guy 4 could do this strategy:
Step 1: Start by attaining a false ID with a fake name and clean his history so that there is no way of finding out his real name. (This process could include faking his own death, and asking his omniscient voice for help on how to remove himself from every database).
Step 2: Ask the voice where guy #3 will be on time X.
Step 3: Seek out guy #3, convince him to cooperate since 2v1v1v1 gives a higher chance of winning for those who cooperate. Guy #3 will hopefully follow along with guy #4's plans since he understands that a cooperation will insure that the other 3 guys will die. That will leave only 2 guys left, being him and guy #4.
Step 4: Have guy #3 killing the other 3 guys with his death notes when guy #4 tells their name one per day (after asking his voice of course).
Step 5: Guy #3 will likely try to kill guy #4 with his death notes, but will not succeed since he does not know his real name, and therefore can't write it on a paper. As guy #3 realises that it wasn't guy #4's real name. Guy #4 can use his complete knowledge to kill guy #3.
There are of course some holes here and there. For example, guy #3 might try to kill guy #4 with a regular weapon after the other three guys are dead, which guy #4 has to be careful about.
The hitman strategy is probably better.
very good, let me offer a strategy to trump yours
Groundhog guy dies of heart attack during his 3-day period
Realized it was death note
Instead teams up with death note
Due to his ground hog day ability, he has thousands of attempts to find the identities of the others, this is highly probably achievable.
Uses death note to kill all others
Gets killed by death note finally?
Has thousands of attempts to work out his only competitor in current scenario, death note guy
|
There's also another thing OP didn't sepecified. Does they know each other powers and who have those powers?
|
As many have pointed out, it would be nearly impossible for 1,2,3, guys to find others. If you can't find your targets, your superpower is basically useless because defending alone doesn't get you a win in this scenario.
|
On October 03 2012 02:03 antilyon wrote:
How many times can GDG activate his ability? Only once in a lifespan?
Edit:Teleport guy has just no chance on this.
why not?
Teleport teams up with time freeze
they time freeze works out location and name of others by freezing time and accessing CIA computers or whatever the fuck
teleporter teleports time freeze and they systematically kill the others
when only one remains, say, groundhog day, instead of teleporting time freeze to him, he teleports time freeze 100m under the ocean, and only teleports himself back out, he then has to deal with only ground hog day. assuming they make it past day 3, groundhog guy is just an ordinry dude with no powers
|
On October 03 2012 02:11 antilyon wrote:
There's also another thing OP didn't sepecified. Does they know each other powers and who have those powers?
i did specify this, please read the thread D:
>They know the silhouette of the others
>they know which silhouette owns which power
|
On October 03 2012 02:11 Orek wrote:
As many have pointed out, it would be nearly impossible for 1,2,3, guys to find others. If you can't find your targets, your superpower is basically useless because defending alone doesn't get you a win in this scenario.
it's not that hard. due to the year they spent fooling around, only groundhog day would be impossible to track down
they could likely find each other and form alliances.
|
On October 03 2012 02:12 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 02:03 antilyon wrote:
How many times can GDG activate his ability? Only once in a lifespan?
Edit:Teleport guy has just no chance on this. why not? Teleport teams up with time freeze they time freeze works out location and name of others by freezing time and accessing CIA computers or whatever the fuck teleporter teleports time freeze and they systematically kill the others when only one remains, say, groundhog day, instead of teleporting time freeze to him, he teleports time freeze 100m under the ocean, and only teleports himself back out, he then has to deal with only ground hog day. assuming they make it past day 3, groundhog guy is just an ordinry dude with no powers
LOL, you are changing the rules as you wish? Now teleport guy can also teleport other persons?
Also.... if the Time is FROZEN no fucking computer in the world will work. Especially NOTHING will work, during the time freeze part. No Electronics, no engines, nothing...
|
On October 03 2012 02:12 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 02:11 antilyon wrote:
There's also another thing OP didn't sepecified. Does they know each other powers and who have those powers? i did specify this, please read the thread D: >They know the silhouette of the others >they know which silhouette owns which power
Sorry about that :/
So, does GDG can activate his power more than once?
|
On October 03 2012 02:15 reapsen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 02:12 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 02:03 antilyon wrote:
How many times can GDG activate his ability? Only once in a lifespan?
Edit:Teleport guy has just no chance on this. why not? Teleport teams up with time freeze they time freeze works out location and name of others by freezing time and accessing CIA computers or whatever the fuck teleporter teleports time freeze and they systematically kill the others when only one remains, say, groundhog day, instead of teleporting time freeze to him, he teleports time freeze 100m under the ocean, and only teleports himself back out, he then has to deal with only ground hog day. assuming they make it past day 3, groundhog guy is just an ordinry dude with no powers LOL, you are changing the rules as you wish? Now teleport guy can also teleport other persons? Also.... if the Time is FROZEN no fucking computer in the world will work. Especially NOTHING will work, during the time freeze part. No Electronics, no engines, nothing...
hmm, i'm not really changing the rules per se, it's more i forgot to mention them. while at university we debated which rules would be allowed / not allowed, and what limitations were, i just forgot to mention them until prompted. i'm very sorry.
IF A RULE SEEMS UNFAIR, ARGUE WITH ME. I'm not the be all and end all of the rules, if you point out an obvious flaw in something, or that something is unfair, i'll happily change it.
Your point on the computer is a very good one however. how about this. He can manipulate objects while time is frozen, so he could sneak in, kill someone while time is frozen, lock all doors to room, unfreeze time, start a download of CIA database sections he wanted, and freeze time again on his way out.
|
On October 03 2012 02:16 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 02:12 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 02:11 antilyon wrote:
There's also another thing OP didn't sepecified. Does they know each other powers and who have those powers? i did specify this, please read the thread D: >They know the silhouette of the others >they know which silhouette owns which power Sorry about that :/ So, does GDG can activate his power more than once?
its a one off, once it's activated he can't stop it, he can't reactivated at a later date. he has to live through the same 3 days 12000 times. his main weakness will be his psyche at the end of it.
|
So the core question of this fun debate is not about who will "win" this, but how can we keep the fiction rolling? ;-)
|
On October 03 2012 02:20 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 02:16 antilyon wrote:On October 03 2012 02:12 Ikidomari wrote:On October 03 2012 02:11 antilyon wrote:
There's also another thing OP didn't sepecified. Does they know each other powers and who have those powers? i did specify this, please read the thread D: >They know the silhouette of the others >they know which silhouette owns which power Sorry about that :/ So, does GDG can activate his power more than once? its a one off, once it's activated he can't stop it, he can't reactivated at a later date. he has to live through the same 3 days 12000 times. his main weakness will be his psyche at the end of it.
It sounds like he has to activate it consciously, so he wouldn't be able to do anything if he was assassinated in his sleep or something right? Or does it automatically activate the first time he dies?
|
It still seems like GDG is the really weird and complicated one.
So how exactly does his time loop interact with the rest of the world that the other guys are in? It sounds a lot like he basically has 12000 attempts to kill all the other guys within the a three day span and then in what the other guys would all experience as day 4 of the year long contest he becomes the unarmed guy in a gunfight.
Can omniscient guy's adviser account for changes in activities GDG will employ from "attempt to attempt"? And if so...how? He only has three questions or those three days, assuming it goes the full extent, yet GDG has 12000 iterations of those three days. How does time freeze guy's time freeze interact with GDG?
It seems like either a paradox, or they all effectively have 12000 attempts with regards to their interaction with GDG rendering his ability useless, or a next to certainty that he would end up winning thanks to so many 'lives' and so much time to figure things out and come up with a plan that kills the others all while they are in what they would experience as just the opening three days of the 'contest' and on step one of trying to identify and locate one another.
Also:
Assuming he lives the days 'separately' from the others and they do not effectively have 12000 chances to deal with him as well then 12000 re-attempts of the same three day span represents many magnitudes more ability to have knowledge than three answered questions no matter how perfectly answered. Either GDG or not so "omniscient" guy is effectively powerless in light of the other and that is probably the quickest way to make the first cut.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
