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Can we buff teleporter to "Jumper" style teleporting? That may be a better matchup.
I dunno about you guys but Omniscient guy asking how can I stay alive 24 hours seems pretty useless. "Stay in your house and don't go outside" doesn't exactly advance your cause.
I picture everyone doing fairly stupid "id" stuff like going from mild mannered Mcdonalds employee to multi-million dollar playboy who went 12 for 12 on the maxim cover girls while having a couple of his enemies having bad things happen to them. Then when they have the Highlander dream going "oh shit, I shouldn't have done that." So i assume everyone has their billion dollars on day 1 and CIA file seems like overkill.
I rate Offense at: Time freezer > porter > GHG > death note > omni
Detective: Omni > GhG > Porter = Freezer > death note
Defense/anonimity: Omni > Death note > GhG > porter = freezer
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On October 04 2012 12:37 wcLLg wrote:
Guy 4 wins. He can ask: How do I kill the other guys? And with one question a day he'll come up with the perfect plan and succeed. The others don't have the ability to know where any of the other guys are or what their names are? So how useless is guy 1, 2, 3, 5? When they can't find other dudes. THE WORLD IS BIG!
What if voice says "stab them while they are sleeping" that doesn't seem useful.
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On October 04 2012 13:56 Wolfstan wrote:
I dunno about you guys but Omniscient guy asking how can I stay alive 24 hours seems pretty useless. "Stay in your house and don't go outside" doesn't exactly advance your cause.
Omni has had his power for a year though. He will easily have 10s or 100s of millions of dollars. He can use others with his money to do his dirty work, while he stays safe.
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This sounds like the Mirai Nikki manga XD. I'm gonna go with the omniscient voice in head guy. Because none of them know each other, he can ask any questions he likes and understand the situation completely. Then he can find out who each are, and kill them one by one. The others have no way of finding out who is who.
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On October 04 2012 12:37 wcLLg wrote:
Guy 4 wins. He can ask: How do I kill the other guys? And with one question a day he'll come up with the perfect plan and succeed. The others don't have the ability to know where any of the other guys are or what their names are? So how useless is guy 1, 2, 3, 5? When they can't find other dudes. THE WORLD IS BIG!
Yes but every day is different. Asking where a certain person is is a stupid question if isnt used at the right time. Simply because where he is now doesnt mean he will always be there. You can ask WHERE the person lives but if the person smart, he will never go to his home.
Everyone has the ability to steal money or a way to obtain money with the exception of GHG. Time guy can freeze and steal, teleport can teleport in and steal, omni can manipulate people, and deahnote guy can write someone name down and tell them to bury their money some where and then commit suicide. Then death note guy go and dig up money. They wont be staying still and will always be moving around so asking for the location of the other guys are kinda useless if you dont do something about it immediately.
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Can't the omni guy just wait at the location of where they are at x time of that day?
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*cough*mirai nikki*cough*
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Omni has the advantage of being able to pinpoint at least the general area and also names/what they look like of every other contender. He also could potentially gain a large amount of wealth then just bunker the shit out of himself and send off assassins with info about those people. Professional assassins would most likely be able to track down the others within a year. The only misstep is if DN guy somehow gets a hold of the info he needs to kill him. You have to remember that everyone else is basically working with minimal information and it WILL take a while before they could mount any kind of offense. Omi guy could even ask "what will x do in the next 24 hours" and learn movements to aid his assassins or if any counter attack is coming.
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For the sake of balance I suggest nerfing GHG
Basically he has ~12k worth of trials and errors.
I suggest that if he dies while in GH mode, the world does not "reset"
basically on day1 he activates GH for next 3 days,
If he dies in day2 GH status is dropped and he "re spawns" at the end of day3.
He does not get back-tracked to day1
This way he can revert minor mistakes, but the capital mistakes will cost him precious time during 1 year kill or be killed period.
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On October 04 2012 18:22 tertos wrote:
For the sake of balance I suggest nerfing GHG
Basically he has ~12k worth of trials and errors.
I suggest that if he dies while in GH mode, the world does not "reset"
basically on day1 he activates GH for next 3 days,
If he dies in day2 GH status is dropped and he "re spawns" at the end of day3.
He does not get back-tracked to day1
This way he can revert minor mistakes, but the capital mistakes will cost him precious time during 1 year kill or be killed period.
At the same time, he better accomplish a lot during those 3 days. Imagine if he doesn't kill everyone else in any of his 3 day attempts (entirely possible if the others keep themselves well hidden). Then he's up against super-powered humans when he has none. That's a recipe for disaster. So I'm not sure if activating it in the beginning is the best choice. IMO, I think he needs enough information to plan a 3 day serial killing of 4 people. Although he gets information from his repeated days, he'll have a hard time gathering enough information if no major events that leave evidence occur during those 3 days. The problem with activating it late is that he might die before he activates it which would suck for him.
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Actually, around half the people seem to have fully read the op.
They all had 1 year with their powers. They all left traces during that 1 year that can be used to find them after the highlander dream.
They are all in different civilized countries in the world, OP proposed korea/japan/usa/australia/britain.
All their powers can be used to become rich easily. + Show Spoiler +Teleport and Timefreeze can just steal without being seen. Omni can ask his voice for ways to get rich. GHG can either plan the perfect heists or use his knowledge of the next 3 days to win at betting and gambling or combine both to get even more money.
I just don´t see any way DN guy can get rich without blackmailing and extorting people.
Btw, is this the exact scenario of Mirari Nikki? The name´s been thrown around a couple of times already.
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On October 04 2012 20:32 Mataza wrote:Actually, around half the people seem to have fully read the op. They all had 1 year with their powers. They all left traces during that 1 year that can be used to find them after the highlander dream. They are all in different civilized countries in the world, OP proposed korea/japan/usa/australia/britain. All their powers can be used to become rich easily. + Show Spoiler +Teleport and Timefreeze can just steal without being seen. Omni can ask his voice for ways to get rich. GHG can either plan the perfect heists or use his knowledge of the next 3 days to win at betting and gambling or combine both to get even more money.
I just don´t see any way DN guy can get rich without blackmailing and extorting people. Btw, is this the exact scenario of Mirari Nikki? The name´s been thrown around a couple of times already.
Mirai nikki differs in that they do not live on separate continents and they don't have more than a few weeks of practice with their powers. Furthermore, their powers are pretty insignificant, they can only see around a few hours into the future. All their powers are subtly different though.
I only watched the anime because of this thread and I haven't finished it yet though. The exact scenario, which isn't a real spoiler, is as follows:
- a free for all death match with the winner becoming God
- all 12 contestants know each other's silhouette
- their powers all involve subtly different 'future diaries', which describes future events in a way unique to someone's personality
- they all had a few weeks to get used to the future diary, but some/most weren't informed of the game until the 'conference dream' where they also got to see each other's silhouette
The anime plays out differently than the scenario in this thread would play out, because all the contestants live in the same area and very quickly go after each other, with most of their identities becoming apparent rather quickly. Which is okay, since it's not like they have instant-killing powers anyway.
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I don't remember if it was written but I'll just assume that none of them know of the powers of the others.
It would be pointless to say who has a 100% chance to win because with luck it's possible that any one of them can win. It can even be possible that one of them happen to die from a neutral source. So after taking these things into consideration I think the omni guy has the most reasonable chance of winning. When waking up the first question should be to learn of the strength/abilities of the other people in the dream. This question is better than "how can I kill the other 4?" or "how can I survive?" because it was mentioned that the answer would be spoken even if the guy didn't understand the answer. He can be given answers for technology that does not exist yet or something stupid like "hide in space". That would be a waste. If he's in the dark then it would be the best choice to know what he's up against. If his opponents have the power of Gods then the omni guy might as well already be dead because there is no way he can out match people with the power of Gods. They can just wake up and wish the others dead lol. So learning the powers of the other 4 will already give him an advantage in this case. You can argue that he's wasting a day but that's the best thing he can do and is actually a safe choice considering.
Once doing this the omni guy will know that the guy with thousands of lives on the first 3 days is the greatest threat. He will also know that no one has the power to find each other. 365 days is not much time to find 4 individuals out of billions. This means he would have to survive for 24 hours until the next question is available. From that point on he can pretty much just dictate how things will turn out. If he wants to take the pacifist route then he can simple make his next questions how to contact and befriend each of them, and then become a God and change/restore the universe to give everyone their lives back, or he can just come up with questions on how to kill them. Like how to obtain the death note and to dream of the identity of each of those 4 people.
The biggest problem would be surviving the first 3 days to avoid the guy will many lives. The first day should be to learn of everyone's powers. The next 2 days will be spent on survival. This is where a paradox can come to play though. He needs to ask questions like "how do I easily avoid GHG today?". This would mean that GHG MUST kill omni guy on day 1 (that's only 24 hours. It's not much at all considering the whole universe resets). If GHG doesn't kill him on day 2 and tries something new after the reset then that will simply change the actions of omni guy since he follows the command of avoiding the GHG every morning. Makes sense?
The teleport guy is practically useless in this situation against omni guy since he can only teleport once a day. GHG becomes a normal person on day 4 and onward. Freeze time guy only froze time for 15 hours up until this point so that's not very helpful, and the death note guy lacks information to kill the omni guy.
Personally I rate the omni guy as a tier 3 power and the GHG as tier 2. Everyone else is tier 1. The death note guy can potentially be higher but he needs information for that, which he lacks.
It's possible the others can win too but it's unlikely in comparison. It could even be possible that GHG can know where the omni guy is and still not be able to make it to him within 24 hours. 12000 days isn't enough time to research billions of people, let alone figure out how to locate and kill them too.
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Here's a strat which involves some mind games, and allows the Omni guy to win pretty reliably imo:
1. Every 24 hours, Omni will ask "Is GH guy going to activate the GH day in the next 24 hours?". As soon as he gets an answer "yes", he is going to travel to some obscure location and hide for 3 days, hoping that GHG won't be able to find him. Even though GHG has 100 years, it doesn't mean he is able to check all potential weird hiding places for Omni.
2. After 3 days, Omni learns the location of GHG and comes and kills him. GHG is a mortal human with no superpowers at this point.
3. Omni learns the location of Teleport guy, and comes to meet him in person. There is no immediate risk to either of them during the meeting, so they can have a discussion. Omni proposes to team up: he will find out the precise location of each of their opponents each 24 hours, and Teleport guy will jump and eliminate that person. The jump will happen from a public place, so Omni cannot set up a trap for the returning Teleport guy.
4. By having precise information, Teleport guy jumps right behind the back of the Time Freeze guy and the Death Note guy and shoots them before they even realize what is happening.
5. Ground Hog guy is the last. Teleport guy doesn't know that GHG is already dead, so he expects Omni to kill him as soon as he returns after assassinating GHG. He decided to shoot Omni as soon as Omni reveals the location of GHG, then jump and assassinate GHG. However, as soon as Omni and Teleport meet the next day, Omni shoots the Teleport guy and is the last man standing.
6. Omni gets arrested and has to spend some nasty time in prison until the year expires and he becomes god.
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On October 05 2012 01:05 PanzerPony wrote:
Here's a strat which involves some mind games, and allows the Omni guy to win pretty reliably imo:
1. Every 24 hours, Omni will ask "Is GH guy going to activate the GH day in the next 24 hours?". As soon as he gets an answer "yes", he is going to travel to some obscure location and hide for 3 days, hoping that GHG won't be able to find him. Even though GHG has 100 years, it doesn't mean he is able to check all potential weird hiding places for Omni.
2. After 3 days, Omni learns the location of GHG and comes and kills him. GHG is a mortal human with no superpowers at this point.
3. Omni learns the location of Teleport guy, and comes to meet him in person. There is no immediate risk to either of them during the meeting, so they can have a discussion. Omni proposes to team up: he will find out the precise location of each of their opponents each 24 hours, and Teleport guy will jump and eliminate that person. The jump will happen from a public place, so Omni cannot set up a trap for the returning Teleport guy.
4. By having precise information, Teleport guy jumps right behind the back of the Time Freeze guy and the Death Note guy and shoots them before they even realize what is happening.
5. Ground Hog guy is the last. Teleport guy doesn't know that GHG is already dead, so he expects Omni to kill him as soon as he returns after assassinating GHG. He decided to shoot Omni as soon as Omni reveals the location of GHG, then jump and assassinate GHG. However, as soon as Omni and Teleport meet the next day, Omni shoots the Teleport guy and is the last man standing.
6. Omni gets arrested and has to spend some nasty time in prison until the year expires and he becomes god.
I think there's a flaw on first step, you're wasting one question just to know if GHG guy used his power, and you're vulnerable to him for at least one whole day. And after he finds out omniguy identity, it's pretty easy track down omniguy destiny if he takes any kind of transportation. If he doesn't, well, even easier to find someone walking if you have 12000 chances.
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On October 05 2012 01:05 PanzerPony wrote:
Here's a strat which involves some mind games, and allows the Omni guy to win pretty reliably imo:
1. Every 24 hours, Omni will ask "Is GH guy going to activate the GH day in the next 24 hours?". As soon as he gets an answer "yes", he is going to travel to some obscure location and hide for 3 days, hoping that GHG won't be able to find him. Even though GHG has 100 years, it doesn't mean he is able to check all potential weird hiding places for Omni.
2. After 3 days, Omni learns the location of GHG and comes and kills him. GHG is a mortal human with no superpowers at this point.
3. Omni learns the location of Teleport guy, and comes to meet him in person. There is no immediate risk to either of them during the meeting, so they can have a discussion. Omni proposes to team up: he will find out the precise location of each of their opponents each 24 hours, and Teleport guy will jump and eliminate that person. The jump will happen from a public place, so Omni cannot set up a trap for the returning Teleport guy.
4. By having precise information, Teleport guy jumps right behind the back of the Time Freeze guy and the Death Note guy and shoots them before they even realize what is happening.
5. Ground Hog guy is the last. Teleport guy doesn't know that GHG is already dead, so he expects Omni to kill him as soon as he returns after assassinating GHG. He decided to shoot Omni as soon as Omni reveals the location of GHG, then jump and assassinate GHG. However, as soon as Omni and Teleport meet the next day, Omni shoots the Teleport guy and is the last man standing.
6. Omni gets arrested and has to spend some nasty time in prison until the year expires and he becomes god.
2.->> GHG has just had 100 years to train, learn, practice, plan, and in general become a complete bad-ass. He's Batman without money/gadgets. Omni might have the perfect answers (if and only iff he asks the perfect questions) but he doesn't necessarily have the skills to take down GHG. GHG may not have actual superpowers but I'll be damned if he just flops over when Omni comes looking.
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On October 05 2012 03:26 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 01:05 PanzerPony wrote:
Here's a strat which involves some mind games, and allows the Omni guy to win pretty reliably imo:
1. Every 24 hours, Omni will ask "Is GH guy going to activate the GH day in the next 24 hours?". As soon as he gets an answer "yes", he is going to travel to some obscure location and hide for 3 days, hoping that GHG won't be able to find him. Even though GHG has 100 years, it doesn't mean he is able to check all potential weird hiding places for Omni.
2. After 3 days, Omni learns the location of GHG and comes and kills him. GHG is a mortal human with no superpowers at this point.
3. Omni learns the location of Teleport guy, and comes to meet him in person. There is no immediate risk to either of them during the meeting, so they can have a discussion. Omni proposes to team up: he will find out the precise location of each of their opponents each 24 hours, and Teleport guy will jump and eliminate that person. The jump will happen from a public place, so Omni cannot set up a trap for the returning Teleport guy.
4. By having precise information, Teleport guy jumps right behind the back of the Time Freeze guy and the Death Note guy and shoots them before they even realize what is happening.
5. Ground Hog guy is the last. Teleport guy doesn't know that GHG is already dead, so he expects Omni to kill him as soon as he returns after assassinating GHG. He decided to shoot Omni as soon as Omni reveals the location of GHG, then jump and assassinate GHG. However, as soon as Omni and Teleport meet the next day, Omni shoots the Teleport guy and is the last man standing.
6. Omni gets arrested and has to spend some nasty time in prison until the year expires and he becomes god.
2.->> GHG has just had 100 years to train, learn, practice, plan, and in general become a complete bad-ass. He's Batman without money/gadgets. Omni might have the perfect answers (if and only iff he asks the perfect questions) but he doesn't necessarily have the skills to take down GHG. GHG may not have actual superpowers but I'll be damned if he just flops over when Omni comes looking.
I've mentioned this before: If omni is clever he tries to take on GHG at first and asks questions which allow him to alter his actions according to GHG. Thus GHG can't learn anything from omni guy if he does it clever. This would render his advantage useless.
The wildcard is DN guy because he can use his book to mindcontrol people. (I totally forgot that -.-;; )
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On October 05 2012 01:05 PanzerPony wrote:
Here's a strat which involves some mind games, and allows the Omni guy to win pretty reliably imo:
1. Every 24 hours, Omni will ask "Is GH guy going to activate the GH day in the next 24 hours?". As soon as he gets an answer "yes", he is going to travel to some obscure location and hide for 3 days, hoping that GHG won't be able to find him. Even though GHG has 100 years, it doesn't mean he is able to check all potential weird hiding places for Omni.
2. After 3 days, Omni learns the location of GHG and comes and kills him. GHG is a mortal human with no superpowers at this point.
3. Omni learns the location of Teleport guy, and comes to meet him in person. There is no immediate risk to either of them during the meeting, so they can have a discussion. Omni proposes to team up: he will find out the precise location of each of their opponents each 24 hours, and Teleport guy will jump and eliminate that person. The jump will happen from a public place, so Omni cannot set up a trap for the returning Teleport guy.
4. By having precise information, Teleport guy jumps right behind the back of the Time Freeze guy and the Death Note guy and shoots them before they even realize what is happening.
5. Ground Hog guy is the last. Teleport guy doesn't know that GHG is already dead, so he expects Omni to kill him as soon as he returns after assassinating GHG. He decided to shoot Omni as soon as Omni reveals the location of GHG, then jump and assassinate GHG. However, as soon as Omni and Teleport meet the next day, Omni shoots the Teleport guy and is the last man standing.
6. Omni gets arrested and has to spend some nasty time in prison until the year expires and he becomes god.
Omniscient guy nerfed, one question per day, cannot repeat questions, cannot ask questions that go more than 24 hours into the future.
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On October 05 2012 03:24 antilyon wrote:
I think there's a flaw on first step, you're wasting one question just to know if GHG guy used his power, and you're vulnerable to him for at least one whole day. And after he finds out omniguy identity, it's pretty easy track down omniguy destiny if he takes any kind of transportation. If he doesn't, well, even easier to find someone walking if you have 12000 chances.
The exact way of how to avoid the GHG is a bit of a gamble. Omni could pack a backpack, get in the car and drive somewhere into the wilderness, where GHG will have no source of information to locate him.
On October 05 2012 03:36 Hryul wrote:
I've mentioned this before: If omni is clever he tries to take on GHG at first and asks questions which allow him to alter his actions according to GHG. Thus GHG can't learn anything from omni guy if he does it clever. This would render his advantage useless.
The wildcard is DN guy because he can use his book to mindcontrol people. (I totally forgot that -.-;; )
I saw you suggested asking "how to kill GHG without being caught?". I think this question is kind of cheating though. If Omni can get a different answer during each of GHG's re-tries, his chances of survival improve a lot. He doesn't even need to ask how to kill GHG (because it will inevitably fail some one time out of 12k re-tries), but rather "where to hide?", and get a location where he is guaranteed to not be found.
On October 05 2012 03:56 Mementoss wrote:
Omniscient guy nerfed, one question per day, cannot repeat questions, cannot ask questions that go more than 24 hours into the future.
I don't think my strat violates any of these points.
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On October 05 2012 04:10 PanzerPony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 03:24 antilyon wrote:
I think there's a flaw on first step, you're wasting one question just to know if GHG guy used his power, and you're vulnerable to him for at least one whole day. And after he finds out omniguy identity, it's pretty easy track down omniguy destiny if he takes any kind of transportation. If he doesn't, well, even easier to find someone walking if you have 12000 chances. The exact way of how to avoid the GHG is a bit of a gamble. Omni could pack a backpack, get in the car and drive somewhere into the wilderness, where GHG will have no source of information to locate him. Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 03:36 Hryul wrote:
I've mentioned this before: If omni is clever he tries to take on GHG at first and asks questions which allow him to alter his actions according to GHG. Thus GHG can't learn anything from omni guy if he does it clever. This would render his advantage useless.
The wildcard is DN guy because he can use his book to mindcontrol people. (I totally forgot that -.-;; ) I saw you suggested asking "how to kill GHG without being caught?". I think this question is kind of cheating though. If Omni can get a different answer during each of GHG's re-tries, his chances of survival improve a lot. He doesn't even need to ask how to kill GHG (because it will inevitably fail some one time out of 12k re-tries), but rather "where to hide?", and get a location where he is guaranteed to not be found. Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 03:56 Mementoss wrote:
Omniscient guy nerfed, one question per day, cannot repeat questions, cannot ask questions that go more than 24 hours into the future. I don't think my strat violates any of these points.
Yes, nevertheless the idea is the same. You just nullify the advantage of GHG through abusing your omni to prevent GHG from learning anything about you.
I read that all people could be found through the traces they left throughout the year. It just is a problem that this is so vague because it really shifts the odds in favour of one or the other. the easier the traces the better for DN, the harder the traces the better for omni.
I also think one has to account that teleport, timefreeze can easily gain money, DN through murder and omni even easier because he technically doesn't even have to commit a crime. GHG can not get money the year before because it is a one time thing which is a real downside.
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