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On October 03 2012 20:10 Sea_Food wrote:
Winning chances for each competitor
50% Omniscient
40% groundhog
9% timefreeze
1% deathnote
0% teleport
It comes down to how smart these guys are, and how seriously they will play.
I'd have to disagree with this (albeit only slightly). I'd say this is pretty accurate but the timefreeze guy and the teleport guy should be switched. I've thought of/heard a couple viable strategies for teleport guy but I can't even fathom a scenario where timefreeze guy wins it all.
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On October 03 2012 10:59 BrokenMirage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 10:54 rpgalon wrote:On October 03 2012 10:42 BrokenMirage wrote:On October 03 2012 10:37 rpgalon wrote:On October 03 2012 10:25 BrokenMirage wrote:
If DeathNote guy is incredibly quick witted, has an encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, and has nerves of steel, he can guarantee himself a victory using this plan.
As soon as he comes out of the dream, he instantly writes in his Death Note his own name and as cause of death a disease that has an incubation period of over a year (note : for those who haven't read the manga or seen the anime, diseases do not obey the 23 day rule, and make the person die at an adequate time according to the disease). As he must die of this disease, and dying before the end of the year is impossible, he is guaranteed to live more than one year. After this he needs to destroy the death note (I'll explain why later).
Therefore, it is impossible for him to die under any circumstances before the end of the time period for the disease. The other competitors absolutely cannot kill him in anyway, and he cannot die at the end of the year, meaning that all the other competitors must therefore die within the year.
If he acts fast enough, Ground Hog guy, and Omniscient guy (who both can gain knowledge of this using their powers) cannot possibly phone Teleport guy fast enough at the start of a new cycle, to get him to kill Deathnote guy before he writes this down. Also if Deathnote guy destroys the death note fast enough, teleport guy won't get there in time to modify the conditions of death in the death note (if it wasn't destroyed, and teleport guy got there within 6 min and 40 s, teleport guy could modify the conditions of death and make them impossible, thereby causing Deathnote guy to die at the end of the 6 min and 40 s).
At that point, Deathnote guy is assured of victory, and he can just chill for the rest of the year, knowing that all the others will die. He will then die of the disease at the prescribed amount of time, and the Deus Ex Machina will turn him into a God.
That's how Deathnote guy can guarantee himself a victory. no, he dies 23 days later from a heart attack. I also think DN will win, but that is because he can mind-control anyone for 23 days by writing something like: XXXXX will obey every order I give to him, until he dies by a heart attack 23 days later. the DN guy can get a lot of people to help protect him and help track down the others. also, the hints that everyone left from the year before the Dream, will allow every one of competitors to eventually discover who you need to kill, but it does not help tracking down where your target is now (after the dream), the DN guy only need to know who he needs to kill, he does not need to know where they are. Read the Death Note Rules- How to Use: XXVIII
If you write, “die of disease” like before with a specific disease’s name, but without a specific time, if it takes more than 24 days for the human to die the 23-day rule will not take effect and the human will die at an adequate time depending on the disease. he does not become immortal if you write die of disease, so he can still die from any competitor, also, after 1 year, NO ONE wins, so he does not become a god since he didn't kill anyone before one year and so, dies anyway from the disease. Once your death is written in the death note, you will die in such a way, unless your conditions of death violate some other rules of the death note in which case you will die of a heart attack. Also, the other competitors will die within the year, since if they did not, he couldn't possibly survive past the end of the year.
well but if the deathnote is THAT powerful he will just simply die after the year anyways
you think of the deathnote as something that can change anything like a god so it would also kill guy 3 after he became a god 
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On October 03 2012 20:38 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 19:48 saltywet wrote:On October 03 2012 18:37 HaruRH wrote:On October 03 2012 13:51 saltywet wrote:guys 1 and 3 all have supernatural killing powers. guys 1 and 2 have defensive mechanisms that can prevent others from killing them easily. guy 5 has the greatest advantage in that he can immediately start the groundhog day and that guy 4 will only be able to ask 3 questions; guy 4s' advantages increase exponentially with the number of days that pass due to the number of questions he may ask. guy 3 (death note guy) can be rendered useless in that by using fake names/identities he will never be able to kill the other 4. guy 2 can be killed once that it is found out he must return to his exact spot within 1 day of teleportation. guy 5 has a major advantage in that so long as he survives day 1, he gets 100 years of time to find and kill the others. his major disadvantage would be that he must find and kill all other 4 guys within the 3 days (however, it can be achieved much more easily if he allied with guy 2; guy 5 can do a "test" cycle by seeing if guy 2 would be willing or if he can be tricked, by offering guy 2 resurrection once guy 5 is a god and seeing if guy 2 would kill him) guy 4 would only have the ability to ask 3 questions within these 100 years of 3 days guy 1 will never be able to be killed by normal means (assuming that he mastered the ability of time freeze), so the only possible way to kill him would be to obtain his identity and the death note (which can only be done by guy 4) I think that only guy 5 and guy 4 have the ability to win, guy 5 can find out all the details of the abilities of the other four guys within the 100 years to know how to kill them, whereas guy 4 needs to ask the right question to kill guy 5 on the first day to win the game. On October 03 2012 13:24 HaruRH wrote:
Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get'
Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed.
Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others.
so long as guy 5 doesn't die on the first day of the cycle, he gets to live out the rest of the cycles. and if you kill him, he would remember you and be able to identify you in his next cycle to kill you. You missed the next paragraph of my post. What I meant was, Omni guy takes out DN guy first, then use the death note to kill the remaining 3, without even needing to see them. He just need to see a picture of them, and they're dead. Do you think that dying on the 5th day every cycle for whatever countless number of cycles he have, without any knowledge of how you died (he will have a heart attack randomly and die) would give him even 0.0000001% chance of winning the game? Nope. how are you, as guy 4, going to find out all the information with 1 question? furthermore, at the beginning of the game no one has any idea what abilities the other guys have, the number of people involved, etc. how is guy 4 (omni) going to find out: 1. abilities of the enemies 2. picture of each enemies' physical features 3. name of each enemy 4. location of each enemy 5. future movements of each enemy with just one question? the only way guy 4 can win is random guess question which allows him to be able to kill guy 5 on the first day such as "what can I do to kill one of my enemies" and the omniscience happens to give him the ability to kill guy 5 his ability is to have an omniscience which gives him the true answer to one question, not to grant wishes, so if he asks for database online with details of his enemies he isn't going to get anything, since more likely than not prior to this game none of the guys are related to eachother, so no database will contain the information of all of the guys. you may get one database for one guy. edit: guy 3 (death note) can win if he commits mass genocide, otherwise guy 5 (GHG) will win. the others don't have a realistic probability of winning Lets analyse the OP properly before you ask theoritical questions. Show nested quote +
GHG
He gets to choose when his 3 days begin, but once it starts, he cannot stop it, he has to do the full time. he gets "100 years worth of days" before the time loop ends. however if he dies on day 1 of a cycle, he will lose all 3 days of time. (this is equivalent to 12'175 resets of the 3-day period) he also gets no warning for when he is out of time, and the world progresses to "day 4"
The only way GHG have a chance to win is if he chooses the loop on the very first or second day of the 'game'. If he chooses any other day, there is no way he could even come close to win as he will continuously die on the 5th day (3rd day of his cycle). Also, remember that Show nested quote +
They get approximately a year to play around with their ability, learn it's ins and outs.
With this in mind, know that the omni guy fully understands his powers and know how to ask intelligent questions. Also, since this game is in the 365 days period, there are only 2 ways that this game can go. Let's go through the options and tell me if you agree or not. Scenario 1: Omni guy kills DN guy within 4 days ( by asking 1) What are the other powers 2/3) What is the Death note power/GHG power 4) What is the address of DN guy currently ) and kill the rest within the next day ( by asking 5)where can I find the other's pictures and then trade half his lifespan for a shinigami eye, so he could see the person's name by simply looking at their picture ) . GHG did not select his starting day so therefore, he dies without activating his abilities. Scenario 2: GHG guy activates his abilities on the very first day, causing a repeat on the 1st-3rd day for 12175 cycles. In this cycle, anything can happen, but one thing can never happen: GHG cannot kill either teleport guy or time freezing guy in time as if he chooses to find teleport guy and kill him, the teleport guy could simply teleport out and be fine. So can the time freezing guy. Also, by the example given by OP, it can be concluded that every cycle is different and so, GHG cannot find teleport guy, time freeze guy or DN guy within the 100 years (albeit 100 years of 3 days repeated) when he have NO information of any of them. It will take him more than 3 consecutive days to find DN on random (he could be in his house on the first cycle, but he could also be in a bunker on the next, so on and so forth). Therefore, GHG still cannot win as Omni guy can just do all the things stated in scenario 1 once the cycle ends. There is also no way that DN guy and teleport guy could randomly lynch a person and kill one of the 5 superpowers by accident WITHIN 5 DAYS as 'none of them draw huge attention to themselves' and 'they never meet or become aware of each others existence during this year'. Can you really accidentally kill any of the 4 others randomly by searching some random person on facebook? No. TL;DR Omni guy wins no matter what as GHG cannot kill the rest in time. EDIT: Remember that DN guy have played with his deathnote and knows how to use it, so he do not need to experiment with it and thus, not cause him to be in the limelight for GHG to find him.
it's not that every cycle is different
every cycle is the same as long as he does the same thing as the cycle before
so that means that if he doesn't influence the guy he is chasing, that guy will always be at the same spot at the same time doing the same thing
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On October 03 2012 19:37 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 15:34 Fen2 wrote:
GHD guy wins easy
In 100 years of trying, if the other 4 guys have left some evidence of their existence, he will find them. All he needs to do is find out their names and a picture of them (chances are their picture is on the internet somewhere, so he just has to remember a web address). Within 5 minutes of day 1 starting, deathnote guy is gonna get the name and a picture of Omniscient guy emailed to him, with a persuasive enough message to make him instantly kill off that guy. With GHD's only real competition out of the picture, he has the game in the bag.
Omniscient guy might have the knowledge, but with 5 minutes to act before deathnote guy kills him, there will be nothing he can do to stop it. If he asks "how can I survive today?" the answer will be "You can't" I agree that GHDG has a decent chance. But the within 5 minutes email makes no sense. He can't alter the preceding time whatsoever... Where would that email come from?
GHDG gets to live the first 3 days thousands of times before the real 3 days occur. During that time, he will find the identity. On the real first day, he will just go to his computer, look up the other guy's picture (which he will already know the web address of), and send it as an attachment to deathnote guy, with the name as well.
From the perspective of deathnote guy, he wakes up after having the dream informing him of the game and gets an email on his phone almost instantly. The email contains the name of the other guys and their picture. No-one else would have time to react
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On October 03 2012 20:42 Silencioseu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 14:36 aeroblaster wrote:Here's how I think it will go down. Spoiler, contains solution. Main Solution + Show Spoiler +Day 1
Time Freezer: Korean. Freezes time for 5 hours a day to have time to think. Get's increasingly bored and frustrated.
Teleport Guy: Australian. Abuses his teleport ability to mess with people, he doesn't know how it will help while he doesn't know where the other's are. Decides to save time on traveling with it.
Death Note Guy: Japanese. Can't do anything, tries to research, comes up with nothing.
Omniscient: British. Asks what powers the other guys have. Now he knows if he's safe. He is, for now. He still doesn't know their locations, so he hides until tomorrow.
GHG: American. Relives the same days trying to figure out where they are with research, comes up with nothing.
Day 2
Omniscient: Asks for the home locations of the others. He is definitely safe, and decides to get on a plane and go after Death Note Guy.
The Others still have no leads.
Day 3
Omniscient: Asks where Death Note is more specifically to have an easier time finding him now that he's near his apartment. He stalks Death Note and tries to sneaky kill him. He kills him after a long struggle, but has his face caught on camera. The others see Omniscient guy on the news.
Death Note guy dead*
Teleport Guy: Finally getting a lead, he quickly googles the location of the murder. The news doesn't say specifically, but he finds the name of the building and teleports there with a gun. He sees the broken window of the apartment. He runs in, finds Omniscient with the Death Note and shoots him.
Omniscient guy dead*
Time Freezer: Lives in Korea and sees that Death Note's murder was in Japan. Knowing Omniscient is there, he takes a short trip to Japan. Arrives and finds Teleport Guy at the building. Freezes time so he can't escape and kills him.
Teleport guy dead*
GHG: Already knew of the murders and events having already lived the 3 days and seen the news of the murders. Arrives at the perfect time and kills Time Freezer.
Time Freezer dead*
Groundhog Guy wins.
This game is a bit flawed as GHG can't lose. Even if he's killed, his ability to remember in the next cycle gives him more intel than Omniscient. The others have no way of killing all of their opponents and GHG in order to win by being the last one standing.
All he has to do to win is wait during the first cycle, and make his trip during the second cycle to kill the last guy alive.
However, there is an alternative solution written below in which Omniscient can win. Alternative Solution + Show Spoiler +If Omniscient is rich, he hires assassins around the world to take out the 4 other contestants.
All he has to is ask for their coordinates and then tell the assassins.
He wins on day 1.
If he's not rich, he asks how to get rich.
Hires assassins on day 2 and wins.
Omniscient wins because he is the last one standing. Remember that even if GhG knows how's his been killed by omniscient and tries to make up a new strategy the next day, omniscient voice will give a different answer on how to kill GHG, because GHG will try for something else, and the voice is all knowing.
but omni never asks "how do I kill ghg" because he would have to ask that every single day as he doesn't know when ghg activates his ability
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On October 04 2012 00:28 Fen2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 19:37 Jonoman92 wrote:On October 03 2012 15:34 Fen2 wrote:
GHD guy wins easy
In 100 years of trying, if the other 4 guys have left some evidence of their existence, he will find them. All he needs to do is find out their names and a picture of them (chances are their picture is on the internet somewhere, so he just has to remember a web address). Within 5 minutes of day 1 starting, deathnote guy is gonna get the name and a picture of Omniscient guy emailed to him, with a persuasive enough message to make him instantly kill off that guy. With GHD's only real competition out of the picture, he has the game in the bag.
Omniscient guy might have the knowledge, but with 5 minutes to act before deathnote guy kills him, there will be nothing he can do to stop it. If he asks "how can I survive today?" the answer will be "You can't" I agree that GHDG has a decent chance. But the within 5 minutes email makes no sense. He can't alter the preceding time whatsoever... Where would that email come from? GHDG gets to live the first 3 days thousands of times before the real 3 days occur. During that time, he will find the identity. On the real first day, he will just go to his computer, look up the other guy's picture (which he will already know the web address of), and send it as an attachment to deathnote guy, with the name as well. From the perspective of deathnote guy, he wakes up after having the dream informing him of the game and gets an email on his phone almost instantly. The email contains the name of the other guys and their picture. No-one else would have time to react
You're assuming DNG actually kills the guy immediately/within 3 days. Which he might not... you know, not being particularly happy with SO much good luck falling into his lap?
PLUS, he'd also then figure out that he's going to die very soon because he's already been found out by someone who's willing to send info of one of the participants to another participant... Why would he do as expected? Wouldn't it make some sense to reach out to the guy he knows he can instakill with a penstroke to team up against the person who contacted him/the others?
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On October 04 2012 00:35 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 00:28 Fen2 wrote:On October 03 2012 19:37 Jonoman92 wrote:On October 03 2012 15:34 Fen2 wrote:
GHD guy wins easy
In 100 years of trying, if the other 4 guys have left some evidence of their existence, he will find them. All he needs to do is find out their names and a picture of them (chances are their picture is on the internet somewhere, so he just has to remember a web address). Within 5 minutes of day 1 starting, deathnote guy is gonna get the name and a picture of Omniscient guy emailed to him, with a persuasive enough message to make him instantly kill off that guy. With GHD's only real competition out of the picture, he has the game in the bag.
Omniscient guy might have the knowledge, but with 5 minutes to act before deathnote guy kills him, there will be nothing he can do to stop it. If he asks "how can I survive today?" the answer will be "You can't" I agree that GHDG has a decent chance. But the within 5 minutes email makes no sense. He can't alter the preceding time whatsoever... Where would that email come from? GHDG gets to live the first 3 days thousands of times before the real 3 days occur. During that time, he will find the identity. On the real first day, he will just go to his computer, look up the other guy's picture (which he will already know the web address of), and send it as an attachment to deathnote guy, with the name as well. From the perspective of deathnote guy, he wakes up after having the dream informing him of the game and gets an email on his phone almost instantly. The email contains the name of the other guys and their picture. No-one else would have time to react You're assuming DNG actually kills the guy immediately/within 3 days. Which he might not... you know, not being particularly happy with SO much good luck falling into his lap? PLUS, he'd also then figure out that he's going to die very soon because he's already been found out by someone who's willing to send info of one of the participants to another participant... Why would he do as expected? Wouldn't it make some sense to reach out to the guy he knows he can instakill with a penstroke to team up against the person who contacted him/the others?
Thing is, GHG have a lot of tries to find out what will be DNG behavior and try to adequate to it.
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On October 04 2012 00:47 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 00:35 ShatterZer0 wrote:On October 04 2012 00:28 Fen2 wrote:On October 03 2012 19:37 Jonoman92 wrote:On October 03 2012 15:34 Fen2 wrote:
GHD guy wins easy
In 100 years of trying, if the other 4 guys have left some evidence of their existence, he will find them. All he needs to do is find out their names and a picture of them (chances are their picture is on the internet somewhere, so he just has to remember a web address). Within 5 minutes of day 1 starting, deathnote guy is gonna get the name and a picture of Omniscient guy emailed to him, with a persuasive enough message to make him instantly kill off that guy. With GHD's only real competition out of the picture, he has the game in the bag.
Omniscient guy might have the knowledge, but with 5 minutes to act before deathnote guy kills him, there will be nothing he can do to stop it. If he asks "how can I survive today?" the answer will be "You can't" I agree that GHDG has a decent chance. But the within 5 minutes email makes no sense. He can't alter the preceding time whatsoever... Where would that email come from? GHDG gets to live the first 3 days thousands of times before the real 3 days occur. During that time, he will find the identity. On the real first day, he will just go to his computer, look up the other guy's picture (which he will already know the web address of), and send it as an attachment to deathnote guy, with the name as well. From the perspective of deathnote guy, he wakes up after having the dream informing him of the game and gets an email on his phone almost instantly. The email contains the name of the other guys and their picture. No-one else would have time to react You're assuming DNG actually kills the guy immediately/within 3 days. Which he might not... you know, not being particularly happy with SO much good luck falling into his lap? PLUS, he'd also then figure out that he's going to die very soon because he's already been found out by someone who's willing to send info of one of the participants to another participant... Why would he do as expected? Wouldn't it make some sense to reach out to the guy he knows he can instakill with a penstroke to team up against the person who contacted him/the others? Thing is, GHG have a lot of tries to find out what will be DNG behavior and try to adequate to i.
I just pictured GHG carving the face into trees on DNG's way to work... making his morning cappuccino with form in the shape of the dude's face xD Spray painting billboards with the name... having his morning shoelaces in the shape of the name... Almost like a romantic comedy. hahaha
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This thread is useless while the OP is banned because only he is qualified to answer the questions for rules and balance.
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Did the OP read mirai nikki or something?
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All I'll say is I am surprised so many people vote for the "omniscient guy" as he only gets on question a day.
There's no telling how long this would all take to pass, except perhaps for this guy if he asked that question, but perhaps some things are uncertain and there would be no "all-knowing answer" unless we assume fixed realities/dimensions/fate/whatever, but even that case may be a fixed reality in which he discovers that he can't win, but while he can get to ask a lot of questions, it's only one per day and he is completely normal otherwise. I think he could get a lot of disappointing and unhelpful answers and we didn't say that he personally is a genius, so even if bright, he may make mistakes by asking the wrong questions.
"Which questions should I ask for all days ahead in order to defeat these foes?" might be his best hope, but who says he won't get the answer
"It is not possible to guarantee the success of that wish through this method."
Unless you believe in fate being fixed, you might end up with information that explains exactly how you would have been able to win (or which questions to ask) given that instant in time, but knowing that may influence your choices and thus change the future circumstances. Perhaps you might ask to know which questions to ask given the ramifications of asking this and all future questions.
We never said he had amazing memory or extremely fast typing/writing abilities though so even without any 'patch changes', he might need to waste some questions for reminders.
I'm still inclined to say either form of time-manipulation (1 or 5) would probably be strongest.
EDIT: Oh, someone recommended Mirai Nikki, is this similar somehow? (Don't worry, I'll just check Wikipedia anyway; it was more of a comment than a question)
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On October 04 2012 01:14 forestry wrote:
Did the OP read mirai nikki or something?
Yes he did.
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If the GHG activates his power right from the start, he can high likely survive the first 3 days, as he had >12000 tries to do so, and he knows how this 3 days will be, so its a bit like telling the future. Also there is no way for others to find out that he has super power except if #4 asks about it (but that is one question for him!)
that makes him quite strong. however its really hard for him to even notice guys 3 and 4... so if he and #3 or #4 will be the only survivor he would have a really hard time killing them. and if more that 1 survive they all lost
#3 and #4 however have a slightly chance, depending on their luck and skill.
#4 is the best if he manages to survive for a longer time, but his strength really depends on the quality of the answers
Q: "how can I survive today?"
A: "kill all the other guys in the next 3 hours"
isn't really helpful xD
#1 and #2's superpower are pretty strange...:
#1: if the time is frozen you cant do anything, you cant move and you cant even notice anything, so that superpower is basically of no relevance unless you specify clearly what he can do during that time.
#2: theoretically the teleport guy just have to teleport back for an incredible short amount of time and then he can instantly port to another position again. this way he can avoid the need to port back.
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On October 04 2012 03:01 Flip9 wrote:
If the GHG activates his power right from the start, he can high likely survive the first 3 days, as he had >12000 tries to do so, and he knows how this 3 days will be, so its a bit like telling the future. Also there is no way for others to find out that he has super power except if #4 asks about it (but that is one question for him!)
that makes him quite strong. however its really hard for him to even notice guys 3 and 4... so if he and #3 or #4 will be the only survivor he would have a really hard time killing them. and if more that 1 survive they all lost
#3 and #4 however have a slightly chance, depending on their luck and skill.
#4 is the best if he manages to survive for a longer time, but his strength really depends on the quality of the answers
Q: "how can I survive today?"
A: "kill all the other guys in the next 3 hours"
isn't really helpful xD
#1 and #2's superpower are pretty strange...:
#1: if the time is frozen you cant do anything, you cant move and you cant even notice anything, so that superpower is basically of no relevance unless you specify clearly what he can do during that time.
#2: theoretically the teleport guy just have to teleport back for an incredible short amount of time and then he can instantly port to another position again. this way he can avoid the need to port back.
ofc the time freeze guy can walk around and kill people while the time is frozen...
it would be incredibly stupid otherwise
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Bisutopia19152 Posts
This thread needed a poll.
I still like guy one and 2 the best.
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Oops, I posted a DN strategy that assumes DN 23 day immortality. Doesn't work.
DN can still manipulate actions leading up to the death, so as long as he survives Day 1, he can manipulate Omni's questions every single day afterwards
I'm not sure if this is possible, but this is what I'd do:
1) Kill random guy with access to email. This random guy will write an email to DN guy, containing the identity of Omni guy. Since I've experimented with DN, I can word it in a way that the e-mail contains only the identity of Omni guy and I don't have to sort through useless clutter.
I'm not sure if this is possible. It is theoretically possible for random guy to smash his face on the keyboard, which causes him to accidentally and randomly send an e-mail with the appropriate info
Once I have Omni's identity, I could manipulate Omni's actions and control what questions he asks
2) Day 1 action:
I would kill Omni on Day 4 or 5 or so (haven't thought of exactly what questions to use). It would look something like this:
Omni guy uses Day 2 to find GHG, Day 3 to find Teleport guy, Day 4 to find Time Freeze, then dies on Day 4. Immediately after asking the questions he will e-mail the voice's response to me. I would word it in a way that Omni does not take any actions against me
3) Day 2, kill GHG on Day 4, making sure he takes no action against me
People said that Omni can use GHG ability against him by asking "What did I learn in the last time loop?" But can DN guy use Omni in the manner I described?
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On October 03 2012 09:51 travis wrote:
GHD guy could be beaten easily if they counteract him with randomness. but what kind of random number generator they could actually use that would give different results im not sure. but if they were able to use a random number generator then they could move to different locations based on the randomness
Impossible, it would generate the same number every time no matter how intricate it is.
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On October 04 2012 06:14 WaesumNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 09:51 travis wrote:
GHD guy could be beaten easily if they counteract him with randomness. but what kind of random number generator they could actually use that would give different results im not sure. but if they were able to use a random number generator then they could move to different locations based on the randomness Impossible, it would generate the same number every time no matter how intricate it is.
nope wrong
if GHD is making different actions (which he would be), then things in the universe aren't the exact same
On October 04 2012 00:10 kochanfe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 20:10 Sea_Food wrote:
Winning chances for each competitor
50% Omniscient
40% groundhog
9% timefreeze
1% deathnote
0% teleport
It comes down to how smart these guys are, and how seriously they will play. I'd have to disagree with this (albeit only slightly). I'd say this is pretty accurate but the timefreeze guy and the teleport guy should be switched. I've thought of/heard a couple viable strategies for teleport guy but I can't even fathom a scenario where timefreeze guy wins it all.
what do you mean? all he has to do is use his time freeze ability to become powerful enough that he can collect info on where they are. at that point he is literally unstoppable because he can just freeze time and kill them. the issue for him is surviving that long.
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On October 04 2012 06:12 Purind wrote:
DN can still manipulate actions leading up to the death, so as long as he survives Day 1, he can manipulate Omni's questions every single day afterwards
I'm not sure if this is possible, but this is what I'd do:
1) Kill random guy with access to email. This random guy will write an email to DN guy, containing the identity of Omni guy. Since I've experimented with DN, I can word it in a way that the e-mail contains only the identity of Omni guy and I don't have to sort through useless clutter.
I'm not sure if this is possible. It is theoretically possible for random guy to smash his face on the keyboard, which causes him to accidentally and randomly send an e-mail with the appropriate info
Well in the anime, Kira kills the prisoners with suicide, but tells them to write "I know the Japanese police force is after Kira" or something like that that they didn't know. So for the email to say something that leads to the identity of Omni guy is impossible.
Having it done by smashing the guys head into the keyboard (LOL) is probably just as infeasible. I don't know if the powers of the Death Note would work to that degree, such that using it can affect randomness and eliminate variables in such the way that you described.
Edit: forgot to mention, the prisoners DIDN'T write the japanese police force thing on the wall before they died because they didn't know.
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On October 04 2012 06:30 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 06:14 WaesumNinja wrote:On October 03 2012 09:51 travis wrote:
GHD guy could be beaten easily if they counteract him with randomness. but what kind of random number generator they could actually use that would give different results im not sure. but if they were able to use a random number generator then they could move to different locations based on the randomness Impossible, it would generate the same number every time no matter how intricate it is. nope wrong if GHD is making different actions (which he would be), then things in the universe aren't the exact same Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 00:10 kochanfe wrote:On October 03 2012 20:10 Sea_Food wrote:
Winning chances for each competitor
50% Omniscient
40% groundhog
9% timefreeze
1% deathnote
0% teleport
It comes down to how smart these guys are, and how seriously they will play. I'd have to disagree with this (albeit only slightly). I'd say this is pretty accurate but the timefreeze guy and the teleport guy should be switched. I've thought of/heard a couple viable strategies for teleport guy but I can't even fathom a scenario where timefreeze guy wins it all. what do you mean? all he has to do is use his time freeze ability to become powerful enough that he can collect info on where they are. at that point he is literally unstoppable because he can just freeze time and kill them. the issue for him is surviving that long.
I disagree about GHG and 'the universe is different'. It's similar enough that things like the lottery numbers should be unaffected. In addition, GHG can perform the same actions (or close enough to them) once he determines a method of finding someone.
And dealing with Timefreeze: He only gets 5 hours per week. He can't get to the unstoppable point in that timeframe imo.
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