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Time travel messes this up too badly. If someone kills GHD and then goes on to win the game in that timeline, doesn't GHD just wake up the next day and have another shot anyway?
It's all about GHD. It sounds like the timeline outside the 3 days doesn't matter unless GHD has expended his cycles, so it's really all on him. You've basically just got to pray he doesn't work out how to win the game in 3 days before his cycles are up, because he has total control in that window.
Either that or we can end up with multiple gods in multiple timelines, where guy 4 (or whoever) kills GHD and wins, gets deified, and then GHD wakes up, wins a different round, gets deified as well. Did guy 4 win or not?
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This thread is missing a poll!
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some mirai nikki shit here eh
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On October 03 2012 00:58 Martyrc wrote:
He has to find them first, Personally, though, I'm betting on the omniscient one.
The problem is, he may ask the omniscient voice, "what may I do to win".. and the answer, "nothing, you are doomed to failure."
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With everyone starting in different countries across the world there is no way they all find each other and kill each other in just 3 days. One guy can teleport three times during that period but he has NO CLUE where anyone is. One guy can ask where they are but there is no way he can travel the world with so much to do in just 3 days. GHG has no real ability so all he can do is just learn from the past and not actively find people. Deathnote guy will never even know what someones face looks like so his ability is uselss. Really its just a stalemate until the 100 years of groundhog day runs out.
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I would say GHD wins easily. By the time his massive amount of cycles are up he will know exactly where everyone lives, what their first move will be and have practiced killing each of them in the same fashion at least a hundred times. He probably won't even need the 3 days.
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On October 03 2012 14:49 Azzur wrote:
This thread is missing a poll! It's also missing the OP, for now, since he got temp-banned. 
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 03 2012 13:51 saltywet wrote:guys 1 and 3 all have supernatural killing powers. guys 1 and 2 have defensive mechanisms that can prevent others from killing them easily. guy 5 has the greatest advantage in that he can immediately start the groundhog day and that guy 4 will only be able to ask 3 questions; guy 4s' advantages increase exponentially with the number of days that pass due to the number of questions he may ask. guy 3 (death note guy) can be rendered useless in that by using fake names/identities he will never be able to kill the other 4. guy 2 can be killed once that it is found out he must return to his exact spot within 1 day of teleportation. guy 5 has a major advantage in that so long as he survives day 1, he gets 100 years of time to find and kill the others. his major disadvantage would be that he must find and kill all other 4 guys within the 3 days (however, it can be achieved much more easily if he allied with guy 2; guy 5 can do a "test" cycle by seeing if guy 2 would be willing or if he can be tricked, by offering guy 2 resurrection once guy 5 is a god and seeing if guy 2 would kill him) guy 4 would only have the ability to ask 3 questions within these 100 years of 3 days guy 1 will never be able to be killed by normal means (assuming that he mastered the ability of time freeze), so the only possible way to kill him would be to obtain his identity and the death note (which can only be done by guy 4) I think that only guy 5 and guy 4 have the ability to win, guy 5 can find out all the details of the abilities of the other four guys within the 100 years to know how to kill them, whereas guy 4 needs to ask the right question to kill guy 5 on the first day to win the game. Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 13:24 HaruRH wrote:
Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get'
Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed.
Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others.
so long as guy 5 doesn't die on the first day of the cycle, he gets to live out the rest of the cycles. and if you kill him, he would remember you and be able to identify you in his next cycle to kill you.
alternatively, the one way that the death note guy can indirectly kill the others is by committing mass genocide, by citing the cause of death for one person in each country barring his own: "immediate death by nationwide size 12 earthquake", only guy 2 would have the ability to survive this, but really, all of the main threats have been eliminated
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GHD guy wins easy
In 100 years of trying, if the other 4 guys have left some evidence of their existence, he will find them. All he needs to do is find out their names and a picture of them (chances are their picture is on the internet somewhere, so he just has to remember a web address). Within 5 minutes of day 1 starting, deathnote guy is gonna get the name and a picture of Omniscient guy emailed to him, with a persuasive enough message to make him instantly kill off that guy. With GHD's only real competition out of the picture, he has the game in the bag.
Omniscient guy might have the knowledge, but with 5 minutes to act before deathnote guy kills him, there will be nothing he can do to stop it. If he asks "how can I survive today?" the answer will be "You can't"
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This thread doesn't make sense... 
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On October 03 2012 14:49 Azzur wrote:
This thread is missing a poll!
Quoted for truth.
I think the guy number 4 has the best chances as long as he realizes what the guy number 5 is doing and can benefit from the loop by asking "what did I learn in the previous cycle?
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Let's add a poll then :
Poll: Who would win ?One-question-a-day guy (41) 44% Groundhog Day guy (25) 27% Death Note guy (13) 14% Freeze-time guy (10) 11% Teleport guy (4) 4% 93 total votes Your vote: Who would win ? (Vote): Freeze-time guy
(Vote): Teleport guy
(Vote): Death Note guy
(Vote): One-question-a-day guy
(Vote): Groundhog Day guy
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On October 03 2012 14:25 QzYSc2 wrote:
dying every 3 days a painful death for over 100 years... ouch. if i was him i doubt i wouldn't even use my powers and be done with it.
Err...at no point is it implied that Bill Murray has to die a painful death. If he survives the 3 days he just wakes up at the start of first day.
Also I think when Omniguy had to get nerfed Groundhogguy may be overpowered with 12k retries. Maybe limit him to a more reasonable 1000 instead. That´s somewhere between 3 to 9 years of the exact same day over and over.
I mean seriously, 100 years is just overkill. Lucky people live to get that old, but they are 50% of that time infantile or senile.
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I put teleport guy. I know hes a dark horse but i have this whole badass scenario in my head about him zipping from bunkers to space stations to alpha centauri while dn assassinates world leaders to cause nuclear war and omniscience takes on groundhog in an epic century long spy game.
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On October 03 2012 13:51 saltywet wrote:guys 1 and 3 all have supernatural killing powers. guys 1 and 2 have defensive mechanisms that can prevent others from killing them easily. guy 5 has the greatest advantage in that he can immediately start the groundhog day and that guy 4 will only be able to ask 3 questions; guy 4s' advantages increase exponentially with the number of days that pass due to the number of questions he may ask. guy 3 (death note guy) can be rendered useless in that by using fake names/identities he will never be able to kill the other 4. guy 2 can be killed once that it is found out he must return to his exact spot within 1 day of teleportation. guy 5 has a major advantage in that so long as he survives day 1, he gets 100 years of time to find and kill the others. his major disadvantage would be that he must find and kill all other 4 guys within the 3 days (however, it can be achieved much more easily if he allied with guy 2; guy 5 can do a "test" cycle by seeing if guy 2 would be willing or if he can be tricked, by offering guy 2 resurrection once guy 5 is a god and seeing if guy 2 would kill him) guy 4 would only have the ability to ask 3 questions within these 100 years of 3 days guy 1 will never be able to be killed by normal means (assuming that he mastered the ability of time freeze), so the only possible way to kill him would be to obtain his identity and the death note (which can only be done by guy 4) I think that only guy 5 and guy 4 have the ability to win, guy 5 can find out all the details of the abilities of the other four guys within the 100 years to know how to kill them, whereas guy 4 needs to ask the right question to kill guy 5 on the first day to win the game. Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 13:24 HaruRH wrote:
Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get'
Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed.
Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others.
so long as guy 5 doesn't die on the first day of the cycle, he gets to live out the rest of the cycles. and if you kill him, he would remember you and be able to identify you in his next cycle to kill you.
You missed the next paragraph of my post. What I meant was, Omni guy takes out DN guy first, then use the death note to kill the remaining 3, without even needing to see them. He just need to see a picture of them, and they're dead.
Do you think that dying on the 5th day every cycle for whatever countless number of cycles he have, without any knowledge of how you died (he will have a heart attack randomly and die) would give him even 0.0000001% chance of winning the game? Nope.
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On October 03 2012 14:40 Belisarius wrote:
Time travel messes this up too badly. If someone kills GHD and then goes on to win the game in that timeline, doesn't GHD just wake up the next day and have another shot anyway?
It's all about GHD. It sounds like the timeline outside the 3 days doesn't matter unless GHD has expended his cycles, so it's really all on him. You've basically just got to pray he doesn't work out how to win the game in 3 days before his cycles are up, because he has total control in that window.
Either that or we can end up with multiple gods in multiple timelines, where guy 4 (or whoever) kills GHD and wins, gets deified, and then GHD wakes up, wins a different round, gets deified as well. Did guy 4 win or not?
What if he gets written in DN book on day 2 of the time cycle and never finds out, meaning he dies as soon as the cycle ends.
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On October 03 2012 15:34 Fen2 wrote:
GHD guy wins easy
In 100 years of trying, if the other 4 guys have left some evidence of their existence, he will find them. All he needs to do is find out their names and a picture of them (chances are their picture is on the internet somewhere, so he just has to remember a web address). Within 5 minutes of day 1 starting, deathnote guy is gonna get the name and a picture of Omniscient guy emailed to him, with a persuasive enough message to make him instantly kill off that guy. With GHD's only real competition out of the picture, he has the game in the bag.
Omniscient guy might have the knowledge, but with 5 minutes to act before deathnote guy kills him, there will be nothing he can do to stop it. If he asks "how can I survive today?" the answer will be "You can't"
I agree that GHG has a decent chance. But the within 5 minutes email makes no sense. He can't alter the preceding time whatsoever... Where would that email come from?
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On October 03 2012 01:31 Diks wrote:
You can't ask "who's stronger" and then apply balance patches to make sure the discussion never ends...
+1
4th wins hands down with original rules. Knowledge is power.
Edit: With one exception, and that is if GHD-guy revives even if they all die the same day. Cause in that case he wins 100%. There is no way someone would be too stupid to not win this game with a possible 12175*3 days to work with.
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On October 03 2012 18:37 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 13:51 saltywet wrote:guys 1 and 3 all have supernatural killing powers. guys 1 and 2 have defensive mechanisms that can prevent others from killing them easily. guy 5 has the greatest advantage in that he can immediately start the groundhog day and that guy 4 will only be able to ask 3 questions; guy 4s' advantages increase exponentially with the number of days that pass due to the number of questions he may ask. guy 3 (death note guy) can be rendered useless in that by using fake names/identities he will never be able to kill the other 4. guy 2 can be killed once that it is found out he must return to his exact spot within 1 day of teleportation. guy 5 has a major advantage in that so long as he survives day 1, he gets 100 years of time to find and kill the others. his major disadvantage would be that he must find and kill all other 4 guys within the 3 days (however, it can be achieved much more easily if he allied with guy 2; guy 5 can do a "test" cycle by seeing if guy 2 would be willing or if he can be tricked, by offering guy 2 resurrection once guy 5 is a god and seeing if guy 2 would kill him) guy 4 would only have the ability to ask 3 questions within these 100 years of 3 days guy 1 will never be able to be killed by normal means (assuming that he mastered the ability of time freeze), so the only possible way to kill him would be to obtain his identity and the death note (which can only be done by guy 4) I think that only guy 5 and guy 4 have the ability to win, guy 5 can find out all the details of the abilities of the other four guys within the 100 years to know how to kill them, whereas guy 4 needs to ask the right question to kill guy 5 on the first day to win the game. On October 03 2012 13:24 HaruRH wrote:
Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get'
Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed.
Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others.
so long as guy 5 doesn't die on the first day of the cycle, he gets to live out the rest of the cycles. and if you kill him, he would remember you and be able to identify you in his next cycle to kill you. You missed the next paragraph of my post. What I meant was, Omni guy takes out DN guy first, then use the death note to kill the remaining 3, without even needing to see them. He just need to see a picture of them, and they're dead. Do you think that dying on the 5th day every cycle for whatever countless number of cycles he have, without any knowledge of how you died (he will have a heart attack randomly and die) would give him even 0.0000001% chance of winning the game? Nope.
how are you, as guy 4, going to find out all the information with 1 question? furthermore, at the beginning of the game no one has any idea what abilities the other guys have, the number of people involved, etc.
how is guy 4 (omni) going to find out:
1. abilities of the enemies
2. picture of each enemies' physical features
3. name of each enemy
4. location of each enemy
5. future movements of each enemy
with just one question? the only way guy 4 can win is random guess question which allows him to be able to kill guy 5 on the first day such as "what can I do to kill one of my enemies" and the omniscience happens to give him the ability to kill guy 5
his ability is to have an omniscience which gives him the true answer to one question, not to grant wishes, so if he asks for database online with details of his enemies he isn't going to get anything, since more likely than not prior to this game none of the guys are related to eachother, so no database will contain the information of all of the guys. you may get one database for one guy.
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guy 3 (death note) can win if he commits mass genocide, otherwise guy 5 (GHG) will win. the others don't have a realistic probability of winning
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In an effort to give teleport guy a fighting chance, I need these questions to the limits of his powers answered.
1) What is his teleport velocity? Does it exceed c (the speed of light). Can he teleport "instantly" to another location.
2) What is its range? Global? Interstellar? Infinite?
3) Does he conserve his momentum and kinetic energy upon teleporting?
4) What teleports with him? His body? His clothes? Anything hes holding?
He can definitely create an infinite energy loop if his momentum is conserved by continuing to fall and teleporting back to the original starting location. Not sure what good that would actually do him here but completely breaking one of the most fundamental laws of physics, energy conservation, generally leads to fun.
If he can teleport solid objects hes touching, He could simply teleport himself touching a 100,000 tonne Nimitz supercarrier into lower orbit on a trajectory to hit any of country holding a rival superpower holder. The resulting detonation would be measured in megatonnes, possibly gigatonnes. Not really any better than deathnote guy ordering all world leaders to unleash there nuclear arsenals on each other on day 1.
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