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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 02:35:02
October 03 2012 02:33 GMT
#341
Couldn't Deathnote guy just hide his ass really well until the very end then write his name down lets say 1 day before the 1 year is up therefore killing all the others but making him immune to the "everyone dies in 1 year rule" since he could just write down "I die 2 days from now" and thus making him a god and therefore above his own demise by the time the time comes for him to die?
Never Knows Best.
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 02:36:13
October 03 2012 02:34 GMT
#342
On October 03 2012 10:42 BrokenMirage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 10:37 rpgalon wrote:
On October 03 2012 10:25 BrokenMirage wrote:
If DeathNote guy is incredibly quick witted, has an encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, and has nerves of steel, he can guarantee himself a victory using this plan.

As soon as he comes out of the dream, he instantly writes in his Death Note his own name and as cause of death a disease that has an incubation period of over a year (note : for those who haven't read the manga or seen the anime, diseases do not obey the 23 day rule, and make the person die at an adequate time according to the disease). As he must die of this disease, and dying before the end of the year is impossible, he is guaranteed to live more than one year. After this he needs to destroy the death note (I'll explain why later).

Therefore, it is impossible for him to die under any circumstances before the end of the time period for the disease. The other competitors absolutely cannot kill him in anyway, and he cannot die at the end of the year, meaning that all the other competitors must therefore die within the year.

If he acts fast enough, Ground Hog guy, and Omniscient guy (who both can gain knowledge of this using their powers) cannot possibly phone Teleport guy fast enough at the start of a new cycle, to get him to kill Deathnote guy before he writes this down. Also if Deathnote guy destroys the death note fast enough, teleport guy won't get there in time to modify the conditions of death in the death note (if it wasn't destroyed, and teleport guy got there within 6 min and 40 s, teleport guy could modify the conditions of death and make them impossible, thereby causing Deathnote guy to die at the end of the 6 min and 40 s).

At that point, Deathnote guy is assured of victory, and he can just chill for the rest of the year, knowing that all the others will die. He will then die of the disease at the prescribed amount of time, and the Deus Ex Machina will turn him into a God.

That's how Deathnote guy can guarantee himself a victory.


no, he dies 23 days later from a heart attack.

I also think DN will win, but that is because he can mind-control anyone for 23 days by writing something like:
XXXXX will obey every order I give to him, until he dies by a heart attack 23 days later.

the DN guy can get a lot of people to help protect him and help track down the others.

also, the hints that everyone left from the year before the Dream, will allow every one of competitors to eventually discover who you need to kill, but it does not help tracking down where your target is now (after the dream), the DN guy only need to know who he needs to kill, he does not need to know where they are.


Read the Death Note Rules-
Show nested quote +
How to Use: XXVIII

If you write, “die of disease” like before with a specific disease’s name, but without a specific time, if it takes more than 24 days for the human to die the 23-day rule will not take effect and the human will die at an adequate time depending on the disease.


So DN guy could give himself something like HIV (Edit: Not AIDS) that would take many years to kill him, guaranteeing a longish life?

Oh poop, nevermind, there is a 1-year limit.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 03 2012 02:36 GMT
#343
To summarize my previous post which many people no doubt glanced at and thought tl;dr.

Deathnote guy can write his own name in it, and specify the cause of death as an illness that takes more than a year to kill a healthy person (bypassing the 23-day-rule using the rules involving diseases). Therefore he cannot die before then, making sure that other competitors cannot kill him, and also that they will all die within the year, since if they didn't he would die at the end of they year. All the other details were counters to attacks trying to kill him before he finished establishing his
pseudo-immortality for the year.

Deathnote guys becomes god.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
October 03 2012 02:38 GMT
#344
I call bullshit on immortality.
That´s not stated in the OP.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Zahir
Profile Joined March 2012
United States947 Posts
October 03 2012 02:39 GMT
#345
A clever antagonist would inject dn guy with something that accelerates his death from disease. Omni still kills him.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
October 03 2012 02:40 GMT
#346
On October 03 2012 11:36 BrokenMirage wrote:
To summarize my previous post which many people no doubt glanced at and thought tl;dr.

Deathnote guy can write his own name in it, and specify the cause of death as an illness that takes more than a year to kill a healthy person (bypassing the 23-day-rule using the rules involving diseases). Therefore he cannot die before then, making sure that other competitors cannot kill him, and also that they will all die within the year, since if they didn't he would die at the end of they year. All the other details were counters to attacks trying to kill him before he finished establishing his
pseudo-immortality for the year.

Deathnote guys becomes god.

Where's the clause saying the only way for a guy die after his name is wrote on DN is by DN's power?
I'm pretty sure Raito would have written his name before Ryuk if he had the chance of doing it.
JackReacher
Profile Joined September 2012
United States197 Posts
October 03 2012 02:43 GMT
#347
The whole DN thing probably needs to be given a LOT more detail in the OP, for those not insanely familiar with the anime.
Sephiren
Profile Joined September 2012
United States85 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 02:50:23
October 03 2012 02:44 GMT
#348
Omniscient guy asks, "what do I do to win this game?" Finds out. Follows protocol. Wins.


No free will.

On October 03 2012 11:36 BrokenMirage wrote:
To summarize my previous post which many people no doubt glanced at and thought tl;dr.

Deathnote guy can write his own name in it, and specify the cause of death as an illness that takes more than a year to kill a healthy person (bypassing the 23-day-rule using the rules involving diseases). Therefore he cannot die before then, making sure that other competitors cannot kill him, and also that they will all die within the year, since if they didn't he would die at the end of they year. All the other details were counters to attacks trying to kill him before he finished establishing his
pseudo-immortality for the year.

Deathnote guys becomes god.


A death note does not provide you assurance of life before the time of death, it only ensures that if you are alive up to that moment, you will die as specified at that time. Additionally, you did not bypass the 23 day rule, since the death is what must be specified, and cannot be specified more than 23 days ahead of time... so in any case, one would not be able to use the ability to have someone die slowly of cancer or some illness that would take longer than 23 days.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 02:57:40
October 03 2012 02:51 GMT
#349
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote:
Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.


A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:

Day 1:
Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.

Day 2:
With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)

Omni kills everyone by day 2.

However, should omni not know anything, he will just need to ask the following questions:
'Are there anyone else given special powers like me'
'What are their powers'
'What does power X does'

It still leads to the same conclusion, except it would probably take 8 days more than usual.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
October 03 2012 02:55 GMT
#350
On October 03 2012 11:51 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote:
Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.


A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:

Day 1:
Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.

Day 2:
With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)

Omni kills everyone by day 2.

This plan falls for GDH though.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 03 2012 03:00 GMT
#351
On October 03 2012 11:44 Sephiren wrote:
Omniscient guy asks, "what do I do to win this game?" Finds out. Follows protocol. Wins.


No free will.

Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 11:36 BrokenMirage wrote:
To summarize my previous post which many people no doubt glanced at and thought tl;dr.

Deathnote guy can write his own name in it, and specify the cause of death as an illness that takes more than a year to kill a healthy person (bypassing the 23-day-rule using the rules involving diseases). Therefore he cannot die before then, making sure that other competitors cannot kill him, and also that they will all die within the year, since if they didn't he would die at the end of they year. All the other details were counters to attacks trying to kill him before he finished establishing his
pseudo-immortality for the year.

Deathnote guys becomes god.


A death note does not provide you assurance of life before the time of death, it only ensures that if you are alive up to that moment, you will die as specified at that time. Additionally, you did not bypass the 23 day rule, since the death is what must be specified, and cannot be specified more than 23 days ahead of time... so in any case, one would not be able to use the ability to have someone die slowly of cancer or some illness that would take longer than 23 days.


First of all about the 23-day-rule
How to Use: XXVIII

If you write, “die of disease” like before with a specific disease’s name, but without a specific time, if it takes more than 24 days for the human to die the 23-day rule will not take effect and the human will die at an adequate time depending on the disease.

These are the official death note rules.

For the assurance of life before time of death, the rules aren't entirely clear. In the second film L stops himself from being killed using the death note by writing his name in it beforehand. It really depends on the Deathnote guy's original lifespan, since
How to Use: LVI

In the Death Note, you cannot set the death date longer than the victim’s original life span. Even if the victim’s death is set in the Death Note beyond his/her original life span, the victim will die before the set time.


This really could be interpreted either way...
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
October 03 2012 03:03 GMT
#352
On October 03 2012 11:55 antilyon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 11:51 HaruRH wrote:
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote:
Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.


A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:

Day 1:
Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.

Day 2:
With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)

Omni kills everyone by day 2.

This plan falls for GDH though.


Problem is, everyone dies on the 2nd day should it goes to plan, and ghg will only get to recall how he died on the second day, nothing more. Unless, within those bazillions of retries he had, he managed to kill either the omni guy or dn guy, otherwise he still dies continuously on the second day of world reset.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
October 03 2012 03:03 GMT
#353
Argh this new Death Note immortality crap needs to go. No crazy loopholes to cheat the scenario.

So I've seen a few other people say it before, as have I; Can't omni guy figure out where the death note is and use that to kill the other guys. That seems to be the best strategy so far I think. Ground Hog guy still confuses me a bit so won't say too much on him.
Also lol at the crazy other strats I've seen. GHG hiding in a hole for the last 3 days haha.

Also are the death god eyes allowed? I had a feeling that they weren't, just the Death Note itself. I'm gonna say shinigami eyes not allowed.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 03 2012 03:03 GMT
#354
On October 03 2012 11:40 antilyon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 11:36 BrokenMirage wrote:
To summarize my previous post which many people no doubt glanced at and thought tl;dr.

Deathnote guy can write his own name in it, and specify the cause of death as an illness that takes more than a year to kill a healthy person (bypassing the 23-day-rule using the rules involving diseases). Therefore he cannot die before then, making sure that other competitors cannot kill him, and also that they will all die within the year, since if they didn't he would die at the end of they year. All the other details were counters to attacks trying to kill him before he finished establishing his
pseudo-immortality for the year.

Deathnote guys becomes god.

Where's the clause saying the only way for a guy die after his name is wrote on DN is by DN's power?
I'm pretty sure Raito would have written his name before Ryuk if he had the chance of doing it.


Your point is invalid. If you've read the manga, or seen the anime Raito never had the opportunity to write his own name in the Death Note after Ryuk announced that he would kill Raito. Also, Raito wanted to rule as God to a world free of evil people for as long as possible, and would not shorten his lifespan for anything
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
October 03 2012 03:05 GMT
#355
On October 03 2012 12:03 Epishade wrote:
Argh this new Death Note immortality crap needs to go. No crazy loopholes to cheat the scenario.

So I've seen a few other people say it before, as have I; Can't omni guy figure out where the death note is and use that to kill the other guys. That seems to be the best strategy so far I think. Ground Hog guy still confuses me a bit so won't say too much on him.
Also lol at the crazy other strats I've seen. GHG hiding in a hole for the last 3 days haha.

Also are the death god eyes allowed? I had a feeling that they weren't, just the Death Note itself. I'm gonna say shinigami eyes not allowed.


Its part of death note itself, so technically it is allowed. So is the floating death god beside him
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 03:12:22
October 03 2012 03:11 GMT
#356
So is the power of DN guy his own power or the power of a book he carries with him that can be stolen?
Because that makes him the most vulnerable of them all, giving anyone who finds him 2 supwerpowers and assuring victory.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
October 03 2012 03:20 GMT
#357
I'm amazed how this discussion shifted away from GHG vs omniscience guy to the deathnote guy. I still think that GHG has a pretty good shot since he has a lot of retries, even if he doesn't have any other superpowers.

I still go with the omni guy who will win if he hasn't revealed his ID throughout the past year of preparation through bragging around how rich he is.

Although DN could be a hard nut to crack through mindcontroling a ton of people.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 03:32:02
October 03 2012 03:31 GMT
#358
Omniscient guy can find the rest. I'd say he'd win.

But deathnote could put his name in the book to die within 24 days and then keep erasing his name every day.
Then omniscient guy can capture deathnote guy, and lock him in a basement, and make sure he dies however he wrote his method of dying a few days later assuming he can't use the book(orgy from a list of celebrities).

If teleportation guy or freeze time guy or groundhog guy could somehow figure out a way to kill everyone in the civilized world within a few days, then they might be able to win. I don't see it happening though.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
xNSwarm
Profile Joined December 2011
155 Posts
October 03 2012 03:33 GMT
#359
On October 03 2012 11:51 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 11:06 epicanthic wrote:
Guy four finds the guy with the death note, kills him, takes the notebook, and wins because he'll know the other people's names and their faces through his omniscience. Easy.


A simple plan to win the game as omni is to:

Day 1:
Asks 'where is death note guy' (assuming they all know each other's powers) then he proceeds to kill the death note guy.

Day 2:
With the death note in his hands, he asks ' tell me where i can find a picture of all 3 others' then he proceeds to exchange half his lifespan for death gods eyes (for anyone who didnt know, getting a death god's eyes means that he can see the persons name and lifespan by simply seeing their face)

Omni kills everyone by day 2.

However, should omni not know anything, he will just need to ask the following questions:
'Are there anyone else given special powers like me'
'What are their powers'
'What does power X does'

It still leads to the same conclusion, except it would probably take 8 days more than usual.



Player #4 has to be way more careful then that.
It wouldn't be quite that simple. First of all, just knowing where DN is located doesn't mean you can just waltz over to his country and kill him. DN realizes that #4 and 5 are his primary threats and he will surely be on the look out. DN can easily prolong your arrival by at least a week, and you will need at least 5 questions answered anyway to be able to kill him without a large threat of being killed yourself.

If you choose to take this route and completely ignore #5, you will now have to deal with someone who has essentially performed almost the perfect actions for the first 3 days. This would potentially include allying with DN and setting up your death to occur within 5 minutes of the start of day one. This is assuming that #4 acts quickly and "kills DN" during #5's timeloop, thereby leaving a track for #5 to follow regarding his identity, which #5 can then use to have DN kill #4 before #4 even has a chance to ask one question.

tl dr: There is no simple way for omni to win that quickly.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 03 2012 03:34 GMT
#360
On October 03 2012 12:31 obesechicken13 wrote:
Omniscient guy can find the rest. I'd say he'd win.

But deathnote could put his name in the book to die within 24 days and then keep erasing his name every day.
Then omniscient guy can capture deathnote guy, and lock him in a basement, and make sure he dies however he wrote his method of dying a few days later assuming he can't use the book(orgy from a list of celebrities).

If teleportation guy or freeze time guy or groundhog guy could somehow figure out a way to kill everyone in the civilized world within a few days, then they might be able to win. I don't see it happening though.


Erasing the name doesn't allow you to live.
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