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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On October 03 2012 12:34 BrokenMirage wrote: Erasing the name doesn't allow you to live. Aww. Was that in the manga? Also how long would it take deathnote guy to kill everyone in the civilized world? My rough estimate is way too long. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On October 03 2012 12:33 xNSwarm wrote: Player #4 has to be way more careful then that. It wouldn't be quite that simple. First of all, just knowing where DN is located doesn't mean you can just waltz over to his country and kill him. DN realizes that #4 and 5 are his primary threats and he will surely be on the look out. DN can easily prolong your arrival by at least a week, and you will need at least 5 questions answered anyway to be able to kill him without a large threat of being killed yourself. If you choose to take this route and completely ignore #5, you will now have to deal with someone who has essentially performed almost the perfect actions for the first 3 days. This would potentially include allying with DN and setting up your death to occur within 5 minutes of the start of day one. This is assuming that #4 acts quickly and "kills DN" during #5's timeloop, thereby leaving a track for #5 to follow regarding his identity, which #5 can then use to have DN kill #4 before #4 even has a chance to ask one question. tl dr: There is no simple way for omni to win that quickly. And that is purely theoritical. Dn guy would not kill random strangers who walk past him, so omni could very well stab him in the back when he comes out of his hidey hole, should he have one. Also, assuming omni executed it perfectly, ghg will never find dn or the others as he would be dead by the first week. One week isnt a long time to fins a needle in a haystack. Even if he tried to, a restarted world would mean everyone will operate differently, not the same. Also, should the superpowers be given to random INTELLIGENT people, then... nobody except a super lucky dn guy or a super lucky ghg uy guy would have a chance to win. | ||
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whoso
Germany523 Posts
on the other hand, if the others are smart theyd know that if any of them would try something like this, it can only be GHG with his cycle activated. but then again, he got so many tries, he can be subtle... teleport guy probably has the hardest time. if at least he would have an automated safe teleport, that activates right when he is about to get killed (not sure how to implement for the death note) | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
On October 03 2012 12:55 Dracolich70 wrote: Omniscient guy can't win, because everyone would shoot themselves with a voice appearing inside their head telling truths to questions you think you want to know. its one question per day, and he chooses the question. I don't know about you, but personally i would have the self control to NOT ask the hard questions. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On October 03 2012 12:39 obesechicken13 wrote: Aww. Was that in the manga? Also how long would it take deathnote guy to kill everyone in the civilized world? My rough estimate is way too long. Lets assume he had the names of everyone on the planet. We will assume 1 pencil can write the name, date and circumstances of death for 300 people. So he would need 23,333,333 pencils to do it. one page of A4 paper could probably hold 20 lots of the name, date etc so he would need 350,000,000 pages of A4 paper. If he wrote constantly, taking about 15 seconds to write each one..... 129,629.62 years or as you put it..... way too long ;p | ||
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xNSwarm
155 Posts
On October 03 2012 12:43 HaruRH wrote: And that is purely theoritical. Dn guy would not kill random strangers who walk past him, so omni could very well stab him in the back when he comes out of his hidey hole, should he have one. Also, assuming omni executed it perfectly, ghg will never find dn or the others as he would be dead by the first week. One week isnt a long time to fins a needle in a haystack. Even if he tried to, a restarted world would mean everyone will operate differently, not the same. Also, should the superpowers be given to random INTELLIGENT people, then... nobody except a super lucky dn guy or a super lucky ghg uy guy would have a chance to win. I was under the impression that once #5 initiates his time loop the world restarts exactly the same way it was 3 days ago every three days. Not that everyone operated differently. My point was that if #4 makes a large move (such as killing DN) while #5 has his timeloop going, his attempt will fail if he doesn't ask detailed questions regarding #5. This is because #5 has 100 years of the exact same scenario occurring, and when you get to play detective and relive the crime scene over 12,000 times regardless if you die, you will find the murderer. #4 needs to be careful about when he makes a large move that has even the slightest chance of revealing his whereabouts. I would be interested in hearing what your first 5 questions would be if you were #4, because I can't think of any that would put him in a sure win scenario. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On October 03 2012 13:08 xNSwarm wrote: I was under the impression that once #5 initiates his time loop the world restarts exactly the same way it was 3 days ago every three days. Not that everyone operated differently. My point was that if #4 makes a large move (such as killing DN) while #5 has his timeloop going, his attempt will fail if he doesn't ask detailed questions regarding #5. This is because #5 has 100 years of the exact same scenario occurring, and when you get to play detective and relive the crime scene over 12,000 times regardless if you die, you will find the murderer. #4 needs to be careful about when he makes a large move that has even the slightest chance of revealing his whereabouts. I would be interested in hearing what your first 5 questions would be if you were #4, because I can't think of any that would put him in a sure win scenario. Day 1 - Where can I hide, within the next 24 hours that is accessible to me but nobody will ever be able to find me. Day 2 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero X Day 3 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero Y Day 4 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero Z Day 5 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero A Making sure to pick up supplies for recording all this information while on your way to your hiding hole. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
On October 03 2012 13:12 emythrel wrote: Day 1 - Where can I hide, within the next 24 hours that is accessible to me but nobody will ever be able to find me. Day 2 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero X Day 3 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero Y Day 4 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero Z Day 5 - Please can you tell me everything about other hero A Making sure to pick up supplies for recording all this information while on your way to your hiding hole. you waste day 2, the voice describes EVERYTHING about them, from penis size to how many times they have clipped their toenails in their lifetime. | ||
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
Ironically, in such a scenario, the teleport guy would have the best chance of surviving. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On October 03 2012 13:08 xNSwarm wrote: I was under the impression that once #5 initiates his time loop the world restarts exactly the same way it was 3 days ago every three days. Not that everyone operated differently. My point was that if #4 makes a large move (such as killing DN) while #5 has his timeloop going, his attempt will fail if he doesn't ask detailed questions regarding #5. This is because #5 has 100 years of the exact same scenario occurring, and when you get to play detective and relive the crime scene over 12,000 times regardless if you die, you will find the murderer. #4 needs to be careful about when he makes a large move that has even the slightest chance of revealing his whereabouts. I would be interested in hearing what your first 5 questions would be if you were #4, because I can't think of any that would put him in a sure win scenario. Well, even a million times of you walking out in the street and you randomly dying, you will still never know your true cause of death. Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get' Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed. Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others. Day 3, i would ask about dn power. Assuming its exactly like the manga/anime's, i would have known everything about it, including the shinigami eye. I would plan to get his dn first. Day 4, i ask about the location and proceeds to kill him. He would have been trying to kill others and be oblivious about me. Day 5. 'Tell me where i can get all the pictures of the remaining others'. I trade half lifespan for shinigami eyes, obtain those pictures and murder the rest. All these while #1 is using his powers to steal, rob and play, #2 exploring the world and #5 walking around and then suddenly dying. | ||
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Fenris420
Sweden213 Posts
Say that random civilian dies, killed by a falling video camera that just recently filmed and broadcasted the name and face of voice guy (edit: "a man who can predict the future from a voice in his mind) on TV? Or random civilian 2 died from a man that accidentally teleported into them? Those would be possible circumstances and as long as you know where the civilian is, you can know where the cause of their death will be as well. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
On October 03 2012 13:27 Fenris420 wrote: So what does the "impossible death" rule for death note guy really mean? Technically, couldnt he use the conditionality of the death to force out the others? Say that random civilian dies, killed by a falling video camera that just recently filmed and broadcasted the name and face of voice guy on TV? Or random civilian 2 died from a man that accidentally teleported into them? Those would be possible circumstances and as long as you know where the civilian is, you can know where the cause of their death will be as well. the 1 year rule applies, if there is no victor in 365 days they ALL die. (The god who gave him the death note, is probably more powerful than the death note itself jussayin) 1) Death note knows this 2) he is intelligent 3) He deduces if he tries this and DOESNT manage to kill everyone, he loses worse than if he were to just die 4) He wont attempt to prolong his life for the 365 day period with the death note. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 03 2012 13:23 B1nary wrote: Certainly a long shot, but would it be possible for time freeze guy to use his powers to launch nuclear weapons? The nuclear launch briefcase (the "football") has to stay with the President of the United States. I would assume the launch codes are written down somewhere. Would 5 hours be enough to figure out how to work the thing and nuke every major city in the world? Could the President/Generals cancel the launches when they figure out that their nukes are being launched for seemingly no reason? We're also not sure how the guy is able to interact with the world during the time freeze (do computers still work)? Ironically, in such a scenario, the teleport guy would have the best chance of surviving. Well, the teleport guy is forced to teleport back after the prescribed 5 hours, which means that if he had to teleport away, he will appear in a radioactive wasteland and die of radiation poisoning. | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
guys 1 and 2 have defensive mechanisms that can prevent others from killing them easily. guy 5 has the greatest advantage in that he can immediately start the groundhog day and that guy 4 will only be able to ask 3 questions; guy 4s' advantages increase exponentially with the number of days that pass due to the number of questions he may ask. guy 3 (death note guy) can be rendered useless in that by using fake names/identities he will never be able to kill the other 4. guy 2 can be killed once that it is found out he must return to his exact spot within 1 day of teleportation. guy 5 has a major advantage in that so long as he survives day 1, he gets 100 years of time to find and kill the others. his major disadvantage would be that he must find and kill all other 4 guys within the 3 days (however, it can be achieved much more easily if he allied with guy 2; guy 5 can do a "test" cycle by seeing if guy 2 would be willing or if he can be tricked, by offering guy 2 resurrection once guy 5 is a god and seeing if guy 2 would kill him) guy 4 would only have the ability to ask 3 questions within these 100 years of 3 days guy 1 will never be able to be killed by normal means (assuming that he mastered the ability of time freeze), so the only possible way to kill him would be to obtain his identity and the death note (which can only be done by guy 4) I think that only guy 5 and guy 4 have the ability to win, guy 5 can find out all the details of the abilities of the other four guys within the 100 years to know how to kill them, whereas guy 4 needs to ask the right question to kill guy 5 on the first day to win the game. On October 03 2012 13:24 HaruRH wrote: Well, if im #4, the first question i would ask (provided i already know about my power but not know anyone else who also got superpowers) would be to ask ' what other superpowers did others get' Assuming that the omni voice in my head answers it correctly, i would have known anout all other special powers, while others wouldnt. This is day 1, and even if the dn guy goes on a killing spree, he would not have been noticed. Day 2, i would ask about the power im curious about : #5's power. I would ask, ' what does the gh power do?' Also, assuming the omni voice answers it perfectly, i would haveknown about #5's power and know that i ust take him out first. Meanwhile, the others are still having fun with their new powers, oblivious to others. so long as guy 5 doesn't die on the first day of the cycle, he gets to live out the rest of the cycles. and if you kill him, he would remember you and be able to identify you in his next cycle to kill you. | ||
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
Ghd would be kind of tedious though. | ||
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QzYSc2
Netherlands281 Posts
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aeroblaster
United States422 Posts
Main Solution + Show Spoiler + Day 1 Time Freezer: Korean. Freezes time for 5 hours a day to have time to think. Get's increasingly bored and frustrated. Teleport Guy: Australian. Abuses his teleport ability to mess with people, he doesn't know how it will help while he doesn't know where the other's are. Decides to save time on traveling with it. Death Note Guy: Japanese. Can't do anything, tries to research, comes up with nothing. Omniscient: British. Asks what powers the other guys have. Now he knows if he's safe. He is, for now. He still doesn't know their locations, so he hides until tomorrow. GHG: American. Relives the same days trying to figure out where they are with research, comes up with nothing. Day 2 Omniscient: Asks for the home locations of the others. He is definitely safe, and decides to get on a plane and go after Death Note Guy. The Others still have no leads. Day 3 Omniscient: Asks where Death Note is more specifically to have an easier time finding him now that he's near his apartment. He stalks Death Note and tries to sneaky kill him. He kills him after a long struggle, but has his face caught on camera. The others see Omniscient guy on the news. Death Note guy dead* Teleport Guy: Finally getting a lead, he quickly googles the location of the murder. The news doesn't say specifically, but he finds the name of the building and teleports there with a gun. He sees the broken window of the apartment. He runs in, finds Omniscient with the Death Note and shoots him. Omniscient guy dead* Time Freezer: Lives in Korea and sees that Death Note's murder was in Japan. Knowing Omniscient is there, he takes a short trip to Japan. Arrives and finds Teleport Guy at the building. Freezes time so he can't escape and kills him. Teleport guy dead* GHG: Already knew of the murders and events having already lived the 3 days and seen the news of the murders. Arrives at the perfect time and kills Time Freezer. Time Freezer dead* Groundhog Guy wins. This game is a bit flawed as GHG can't lose. Even if he's killed, his ability to remember in the next cycle gives him more intel than Omniscient. The others have no way of killing all of their opponents and GHG in order to win by being the last one standing. All he has to do to win is wait during the first cycle, and make his trip during the second cycle to kill the last guy alive. However, there is an alternative solution written below in which Omniscient can win. Alternative Solution + Show Spoiler + If Omniscient is rich, he hires assassins around the world to take out the 4 other contestants. All he has to is ask for their coordinates and then tell the assassins. He wins on day 1. If he's not rich, he asks how to get rich. Hires assassins on day 2 and wins. Omniscient wins because he is the last one standing. | ||
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