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On October 03 2012 01:52 caradoc wrote:
Omniscient guy could ask how to trick death note guy into killing the other three while making him think omniscient guy was someone else. Then off death note guy at his leisure.
Or better yet, 'How can I rig a series of events that will end up with me winning and offing the other 4'.
If this is all in a groundhog day, while it's hard to know how groundhog day man's power affects stuff that goes on outside him, it doesn't matter-- since omniscient guy is omniscient, groundhog day man's power is taken into consideration when he asks his question, since he'll be asking it every day for 100 years, the answer may change from day to day, and he'll still get through, so groundhog day man's powers don't help him survive at all. Even if groundhog day man knows about omniscient guy, on the last day of groundhog day man's powers, omniscient guy will just do something that negates that knowledge, so it doesn't help him at all.
In fact omniscient guy, since he's omniscient, would have been doing an iterative strategy from the very beginning that took into consideration the fact that groundhog day kept happening (since he's omniscient), in effect using groundhog day man's power against him.
Basically, if it is possible for omniscient guy to win, he will win.
he can only ask the same question once as far as I understood (or maybe just the exact same question not "where is guy x at time y"
On October 03 2012 01:59 Penke wrote:
Guy 4 could do this strategy:
Step 1: Start by attaining a false ID with a fake name and clean his history so that there is no way of finding out his real name. (This process could include faking his own death, and asking his omniscient voice for help on how to remove himself from every database).
Step 2: Ask the voice where guy #3 will be on time X.
Step 3: Seek out guy #3, convince him to cooperate since 2v1v1v1 gives a higher chance of winning for those who cooperate. Guy #3 will hopefully follow along with guy #4's plans since he understands that a cooperation will insure that the other 3 guys will die. That will leave only 2 guys left, being him and guy #4.
Step 4: Have guy #3 killing the other 3 guys with his death notes when guy #4 tells their name one per day (after asking his voice of course).
Step 5: Guy #3 will likely try to kill guy #4 with his death notes, but will not succeed since he does not know his real name, and therefore can't write it on a paper. As guy #3 realises that it wasn't guy #4's real name. Guy #4 can use his complete knowledge to kill guy #3.
There are of course some holes here and there. For example, guy #3 might try to kill guy #4 with a regular weapon after the other three guys are dead, which guy #4 has to be careful about.
The hitman strategy is probably better.
guy 4 can just ask his omnicient voice how/when guy 3 is gonna turn on him so he should always be prepared 
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Honestly, I think it's better to change the rules so that Omniscient guy can't ask about the future at all (not even 24h). He can ask where the others are at the moment but he can't ask where they'll be a day from now. Otherwise it gets too hairy with questions like "how do I kill this guy within the next 24 hours?"
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On October 03 2012 09:39 B1nary wrote:
After the 24h nerf, I think Omniscient guy has to ask "what did I learn during the last cycle" every other day.
GHG can choose when to start the loop. Suppose that GHG starts the loop on the first day and Omniscient guy asks some other question like "where is so-and-so", because everything resets after 3 days, we can assume that Omniscient guy will behave the same way during the second cycle (he'll ask "where is so-and-so" on the first day). The only way Omniscient guy can adapt and behave differently is if he asks what he learned during the previous cycle. Suppose now he asks "what did I learn last cycle" on the second day of the loop, he's fine because he still has 1 day left to ask something new to add to his knowledge for the next cycle. If he asks that on the third day, he'll find out that the loop has been activated but he can't really do anything about it since it'll reset before he can ask another question. So, he has to ask the question every other day, just to be safe.
this is extremely important. if Omni finds out what he learned last cycle, that means both himself AND groundhog day can make changes, and do things they otherwise would not do. so if GHG learned "Player X will always be at location Y at time Z", omniscient guy can essentially mess him up, cause that scenario to not happen, and make GHG's time MUCH much harder.
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On October 03 2012 09:48 B1nary wrote:
Honestly, I think it's better to change the rules so that Omniscient guy can't ask about the future at all (not even 24h). He can ask where the others are at the moment but he can't ask where they'll be a day from now. Otherwise it gets too hairy with questions like "how do I kill this guy within the next 24 hours?"
will consider this nerf, depending on what other people have to say in response.
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GHD guy could be beaten easily if they counteract him with randomness. but what kind of random number generator they could actually use that would give different results im not sure. but if they were able to use a random number generator then they could move to different locations based on the randomness
On October 03 2012 09:49 Ikidomari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 09:48 B1nary wrote:
Honestly, I think it's better to change the rules so that Omniscient guy can't ask about the future at all (not even 24h). He can ask where the others are at the moment but he can't ask where they'll be a day from now. Otherwise it gets too hairy with questions like "how do I kill this guy within the next 24 hours?" will consider this nerf, depending on what other people have to say in response.
agreed!
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I just retought
guy that get answers
1st answer : the lottery numbers
2nd answer name and address of the other guys
3rd answer best mercenaries for the job
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On October 03 2012 09:17 Luepert wrote:
Basically impossible for anyone besides guy 5 to win. The first 4 go through a regular timeline. Guy 5 lives ONLY in 3 days. He simply picks 3 days before the other 4 were born and they have no possibility of killing him. Say he's stupid and picks a 3 day span where they pass through in their normal time line. If one of them does not kill all of the rest in that period, it will never happen because he is in the past and can no longer be killed by them. Say somebody manages to figure out what 3 days he lives in, prepares an plan and kills him and others during the 3 day period they overlap with him. (Only omniscient guy could possibly know when guy 5 would even be in his timeline.) All teleport guy has to do is not be in the same place as guy 5 on those 3 days. It's pretty easy too. Teleport to the some obscure location or even the space station or whatever. He is not possible to be reached, much less likely to be killed in a specific 3 day span.
So basically guy 5 has hundred of tries to find a way to kill the rest, and the others get 1 3 day shot to kill him.
Since when can GHG go back in time? it was my understanding that he got told this at a certain point in his life and not able to pick any three days in history/future.
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On October 03 2012 09:05 rpgalon wrote:
because of this fact: "none of them draw huge attention to themselves, but they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them."
guy 1, 2 and 5 can eventually discover who their targets are, but they will never find any of them once they hide. also, guy 5 will get crazy because there is no one who can live the same 72 h 12.000 times and keep sane.
guy 3 only needs to know who his target is. he don't need to know where they are.
guy 4 can discover not only who he needs to kill, but he can also discover where the target will be. but he can't repeat the question and can't ask more than one question/day, he also does not have any killing power.
So, if guy 3 manage to find a secure place to be protected from guy 4. he can find who everyone is and start killing without even knowing where they are hiding.
and how would he do that?
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how does GHG lose? He's basically got all their powers. Hell he can LITERALLY have the death note
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It is not stated if they know about the powers of the 4 other guys.
Reading some answers we assume they all know roughly about each others powers, it seems. Let´s go with that.
Time freeze boy and teleport lad would need to have more information than the others as their powers are imho weaker than the powers of the other dudes. They have powers that make them more obvious, while the others are more or less undetectable except by silhouette(if just one of the 5 people looks kinda generic...).
Death note dude having more information about the others would break the scenario as just having their names could lead to their pictures via the internet and hence instant victory.
The omniscient voice man can practically ask "How can I get full information on XY" everyday after he dealt with groundhogday guy.
Groundhogday guy has imho the best chances as 3 days is plenty of time with a fully planned time schedule to get the means and kill 4 motherfuckers. He is like time freeze boy on steroids.
If you ask me, GHD guy could maybe mindgame omniscient voice man by waiting several days before activating his powers. If omniscient voice man asks about what happened furing GHD guys cycle at the wrong time, which can be any damn day of the whole year, he is basically just as much a victim as everyone of the other people.
+ Show Spoiler +scratch that, forgot omniscient voice man can´t repeat questions.
OV man would need to ask "What did I learn last GHD cycle?" at least once every 3 days. If he happens to mistime it to the 3rd day of the GHD cycle, he is basically fucked. If he asks it on the 2nd day, he has a one new question answered each cycle.
The only safe method for omniscient voice man to win is to ask "What did I learn last GHD cycle" every single day. If he gets lazy at any point, i.e. feeling stupid after a week of asking the same question over and over, he will probably lose to GHD guy.
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On October 03 2012 10:07 Cybren wrote:
how does GHG lose? He's basically got all their powers. Hell he can LITERALLY have the death note
why?
he doesn't know everybodys names/faces + he only has 72 hours of superpower
after that he is gonna be completely normal (except if he captures the death not ofc but that wouldn't help him that much if he has no way of finding the others...)
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Mirai Nikki inspried you to much !
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The omniscient guy is completely overpowered. Nerf to nothing in the future.
He could just ask how to kill the Death Note guy, then ask who the other people are. He could spend questions asking what they look like, too. He can kill everyone in a minimum of a week.
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On October 03 2012 10:03 sVnteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 09:05 rpgalon wrote:
because of this fact: "none of them draw huge attention to themselves, but they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them."
guy 1, 2 and 5 can eventually discover who their targets are, but they will never find any of them once they hide. also, guy 5 will get crazy because there is no one who can live the same 72 h 12.000 times and keep sane.
guy 3 only needs to know who his target is. he don't need to know where they are.
guy 4 can discover not only who he needs to kill, but he can also discover where the target will be. but he can't repeat the question and can't ask more than one question/day, he also does not have any killing power.
So, if guy 3 manage to find a secure place to be protected from guy 4. he can find who everyone is and start killing without even knowing where they are hiding.
and how would he do that?
guy 3 is a normal man, he can't enter shooting like chuck norris, he does not have a bazooka etc... for what we know he does not even know how to shoot properly...
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On October 03 2012 10:13 Mataza wrote:It is not stated if they know about the powers of the 4 other guys. Reading some answers we assume they all know roughly about each others powers, it seems. Let´s go with that. Time freeze boy and teleport lad would need to have more information than the others as their powers are imho weaker than the powers of the other dudes. They have powers that make them more obvious, while the others are more or less undetectable except by silhouette(if just one of the 5 people looks kinda generic...). Death note dude having more information about the others would break the scenario as just having their names could lead to their pictures via the internet and hence instant victory. The omniscient voice man can practically ask "How can I get full information on XY" everyday after he dealt with groundhogday guy. Groundhogday guy has imho the best chances as 3 days is plenty of time with a fully planned time schedule to get the means and kill 4 motherfuckers. He is like time freeze boy on steroids. If you ask me, GHD guy could maybe mindgame omniscient voice man by waiting several days before activating his powers. If omniscient voice man asks about what happened furing GHD guys cycle at the wrong time, which can be any damn day of the whole year, he is basically just as much a victim as everyone of the other people. + Show Spoiler +scratch that, forgot omniscient voice man can´t repeat questions.
OV man would need to ask "What did I learn last GHD cycle?" at least once every 3 days. If he happens to mistime it to the 3rd day of the GHD cycle, he is basically fucked. If he asks it on the 2nd day, he has a one new question answered each cycle.
The only safe method for omniscient voice man to win is to ask "What did I learn last GHD cycle" every single day. If he gets lazy at any point, i.e. feeling stupid after a week of asking the same question over and over, he will probably lose to GHD guy.
I think he can get away with asking that every other day. So he'll still be able to find out information about everyone else, just at a slower pace.
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I'm honestly having a hard time seeing an answer to this other than a mass claim in the final weeks(to allow travel time) and then letting things unfold in person. However that wouldn't work because then time freeze guy easily wins. Omniscient guy could win a lottery early on and wait till under a month left to come out publicly and say that if each person turns themself over to him he'll care for their families and give each family 10 mil USD using the reasoning that if you don't do it, you're dead anyway and your families are fucked. There isn't really any room to bargain though as each player has nothing to lose and everything to gain. Everyone other than omniscient guy also has the terrible issue of not being able to verify powers so Ghg or time freeze couldn't get money and use this plan.
I can't see any solution other than a draw really.
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After some more thought and reading some more posts I have some unlikely but very powerful strats for a dark horse victory.
Teleportation guy:
Find weapons, teleport to the international space station.
Hold it hostage, use hostages to procure and test a space suit, supplies, etc.
Teleport to the moon after killing off the station.
From here you at least force a stalemate. Best case scenario is the others kill each other leaving you with one clear target. You can only be stopped by death note guy, but odds are omniscience or groundhog kill him early.
Death note:
Knowing you are a prime target, descend into an underground bunker armed with your book and an Internet connection.
Start killing world leaders. Specify death circumstances that are most likely to start a nuclear war. Omniscience will eventually have you killed but you can write a hundred thousand names in a day, whereas it will take him several days to stop you. You still don't get teleportation guy if he used the above strat or thinks of it in time, but maybe he doesn't.
Omniscience: ask who the names of the other four are. Distribute to death note guy anonymously. Unless they hid their faces very well, you just took out 3 competitors.
Time freeze is still shit tier.
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On October 03 2012 10:17 Antylamon wrote:
The omniscient guy is completely overpowered. Nerf to nothing in the future.
He could just ask how to kill the Death Note guy, then ask who the other people are. He could spend questions asking what they look like, too. He can kill everyone in a minimum of a week.
it's because people are thinking that if you ask, the voice will say an elaborate number of movements that leads to victory, but from what I know, if you ask "how to kill the Death Note guy?" the voice can say something like: you stab his heart or you shoot him.
also people are trying to put like 2-3 questions in only one sentence.
the Omni guy has to be very specific on what he wants to know, otherwise he loses a day....
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If DeathNote guy is incredibly quick witted, has an encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, and has nerves of steel, he can guarantee himself a victory using this plan.
As soon as he comes out of the dream, he instantly writes in his Death Note his own name and as cause of death a disease that has an incubation period of over a year (note : for those who haven't read the manga or seen the anime, diseases do not obey the 23 day rule, and make the person die at an adequate time according to the disease). As he must die of this disease, and dying before the end of the year is impossible, he is guaranteed to live more than one year. After this he needs to destroy the death note (I'll explain why later).
Therefore, it is impossible for him to die under any circumstances before the end of the time period for the disease. The other competitors absolutely cannot kill him in anyway, and he cannot die at the end of the year, meaning that all the other competitors must therefore die within the year.
If he acts fast enough, Ground Hog guy, and Omniscient guy (who both can gain knowledge of this using their powers) cannot possibly phone Teleport guy fast enough at the start of a new cycle, to get him to kill Deathnote guy before he writes this down. Also if Deathnote guy destroys the death note fast enough, teleport guy won't get there in time to modify the conditions of death in the death note (if it wasn't destroyed, and teleport guy got there within 6 min and 40 s, teleport guy could modify the conditions of death and make them impossible, thereby causing Deathnote guy to die at the end of the 6 min and 40 s).
At that point, Deathnote guy is assured of victory, and he can just chill for the rest of the year, knowing that all the others will die. He will then die of the disease at the prescribed amount of time, and the Deus Ex Machina will turn him into a God.
That's how Deathnote guy can guarantee himself a victory.
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On October 03 2012 10:23 rpgalon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 10:17 Antylamon wrote:
The omniscient guy is completely overpowered. Nerf to nothing in the future.
He could just ask how to kill the Death Note guy, then ask who the other people are. He could spend questions asking what they look like, too. He can kill everyone in a minimum of a week. it's because people are thinking that if you ask, the voice will say an elaborate number of movements that leads to victory, but from what I know, if you ask "how to kill the Death Note guy?" the voice can say something like: you stab his heart or you shoot him. also people are trying to put like 2-3 questions in only one sentence. the Omni guy has to be very specific on what he wants to know, otherwise he loses a day....
He would know how to game it though, remember they all had a year to practice.
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