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On October 03 2012 08:49 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 08:31 Cirqueenflex wrote:On October 03 2012 08:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:
The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills. what if someone sets him up (or by accident) that he will die exactly after the day is over? His Oracle thingy has only control over 24 hours. It will not prevent certain death after that period. Omni guys gonna know when the 24h period is up. That probably only leaves you a very small window(minutes?) to do something. Knowing that window is an absolutle KEY. If you do not know when the question was asked, you cannot kill him because he know how to not die during the window. A virus that is not fatal instintaniously could be used but it needs to be fatal outside the 24h window of the question and administered towards the end of the 24 window, becoming fatal at the very start of the next 24h question. This method makes Omni guy compeltly immune to the death note. All death note methods are concidered impossible since omni guys voice and the death note are basiccly unstoppable force vs immovable object. I'd say they cancel and the note does nothing. Death Note guy must kill Omni guy the old fashinoed way, and teh voice will tell omni guy how to avoid the death.
I don't think that's correct. The omniscient voice would speak of ways to prevent death, but it can not give a strategy that will ensure survival.
I don't know the limits of the oracle voice though. Let's say that it tells you that to avoid death you have to kill the person that controls the death note by shooting him. The oracle will have looked into the future and will know there is a way for you to kill him by shooting him, otherwise he would not have suggested it. Now it comes to whether you can execute the steps he has given you. Even if there might be a scenario where your bullet will always hit and you'll never be seen, I don't think it's possible to convey this information to the person that queried the oracle for this. Because some things are just too complex to memorize or execute and there will be no point in telling. So in this sense the oracle's power is somewhat limited.
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I think under further consideration, that #5 will be pretty much impervious to #4 during his three day time loop. This is because #4 can't ask repeat questions, so he can't ask every day whether he is currently in a time loop or ask what he learned in the previous iteration of the loop. Because those will be repeat questions.
Alternatively, he could ask on the first day: when does the time loop start, but this would be pointless as the oracle is clueless about events more than 24 hours ahead. All that #5 has to do is to start his time window relatively soon, before #4 has a chance to locate and kill him. Of course, that's tricky, and it might come down to mind games about guessing when the time loop would start. If you went after #5 quickly enough and managed to track him down right away to try and kill him, then you could be fairly certain he's in the time loop and this is (most likely) your first iteration of it. All you have to do is to ask the time loop question the next day and then there are only two scenarios: either he wasn't in the time loop and you have won because he died before he had a chance to activate, or he was in the time loop and this is one of the first few times before he had a chance to learn how to avoid death. But #5 can still come out ahead, because you will only know whether to ask the time loop question after you kill #5, but that won't happen a few iterations into the time loop, since he will know how to avoid you then. If the situation is dire enough you might be able to prevent him from really researching the identities of #1, #2, #3, but you could be pretty certain he'd kill you.
I think the best course of action would be for #4 to go after GHD right away and somehow corner #5 in such a manner that you can kill him consistently every single time, no matter how many extra lives he had.
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How the hell did you guys either:
1. know what groundhog day guy does?
or
2. find out what he does?
is there some sort of movie or pop culture reference that i dont get? cuz there's nothing in the OP that explains what "groundhog day" is. then I tried wikipediaing it, and just got regular groundhog day.
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because of this fact: "none of them draw huge attention to themselves, but they all leave signs that would be noticeable if someone were to look for them."
guy 1, 2 and 5 can eventually discover who their targets are, but they will never find any of them once they hide. also, guy 5 will get crazy because there is no one who can live the same 72 h 12.000 times and keep sane.
guy 3 only needs to know who his target is. he don't need to know where they are.
guy 4 can discover not only who he needs to kill, but he can also discover where the target will be. but he can't repeat the question and can't ask more than one question/day, he also does not have any killing power.
So, if guy 3 manage to find a secure place to be protected from guy 4. he can find who everyone is and start killing without even knowing where they are hiding.
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I think it's also important to consider on what they have done in the past year, and what positions, power and wealth they could behold. The guy with the death note in my opinion would not be able to exploit for money. All the others could use their powers to become very wealthy.
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Assuming DeathNote guy gains awareness of Groundhog Day Guy, what happens if he writes his own name in the deathnote establishing death more than 3 days in the future? Does his death become anchored in all the time streams, effectively meaning that Groundhog Day Guy will be unable to win in the next 100 years of time (for him), driving him insane.
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What's to stop the guy who freezes time from turtling and waiting for everyone else to come to him, and freezing time just before he gets killed?
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On October 03 2012 09:05 ieatkids5 wrote:
How the hell did you guys either:
1. know what groundhog day guy does?
or
2. find out what he does?
is there some sort of movie or pop culture reference that i dont get? cuz there's nothing in the OP that explains what "groundhog day" is. then I tried wikipediaing it, and just got regular groundhog day.
Apparently you didn't wikipedia hard enough.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog_Day_(film)
It's a Bill Murray film.
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On October 03 2012 08:49 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 08:31 Cirqueenflex wrote:On October 03 2012 08:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:
The guy that asks the question should win. All he must ask EVERY day is "How do I go about preventing my own death today?" This question should be specific enough that the voice cannot both mentioning unimaginable chemistry and biology and must provide a existing method to protect himself, such "The 5pm train will derail, do not board it and youll live"
That should essentially make him immortal to the other 4 people. He runs into an issue when the awnser is to run from an attacker but for the rest of the time he should be able to attempt kills. what if someone sets him up (or by accident) that he will die exactly after the day is over? His Oracle thingy has only control over 24 hours. It will not prevent certain death after that period. Omni guys gonna know when the 24h period is up. That probably only leaves you a very small window(minutes?) to do something. Knowing that window is an absolutle KEY. If you do not know when the question was asked, you cannot kill him because he know how to not die during the window. A virus that is not fatal instintaniously could be used but it needs to be fatal outside the 24h window of the question and administered towards the end of the 24 window, becoming fatal at the very start of the next 24h question. This method makes Omni guy compeltly immune to the death note. All death note methods are concidered impossible since omni guys voice and the death note are basiccly unstoppable force vs immovable object. I'd say they cancel and the note does nothing. Death Note guy must kill Omni guy the old fashinoed way, and teh voice will tell omni guy how to avoid the death. I wounder what the answer to the question " How do I go about becoming a God?" is
no, it does not make him immune. After all, it is just a question that gets answered correctly. Sometimes there is no correct answer. As in, if you fall out of a plane, you can ask the voice anything you want. It might tell you to try to maximize your air resistance for falling, and how to land best, but chances are still pretty slim it will save you. Same goes for getting poisoned. No one cares what the guy asks the next day, as there will most probably be no way to remove said poison (if you pick the right one) or disable the trap that is set to kill him on a certain time. You can only be shown a path IF there is such a path. If there is none, asking will not open one.
Adding the time limit of only 24 hours in which the specific answer to a specific problem is valid, you cannot even be save for tommorow, let alone a whole year.
So apart from maybe being able to erase traces and unspecific advice about the whereabouts of the other people, the omniscent guy actually is not as good as people make him to be. Because, again, people misunderstand his ability for being omnipotent, which he is not.
I would root for the teleport guy, if only he would not have to return to the very same spot in 24 hours. Which makes it incredible easy once you get a hold of his whereabouts. If he teleports out, place a guy with a spear behind that spot, and let him wait for 24 hours. If you were lucky, it was not the target of the first teleportation, but the origin, which means easy kill.
Also the time stopping guy is intruiging for every direct confrontation, but force him to use it while not directly engaging him and he is defenseless for a whole week. Which is really bad.
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Regarding GHD guy becoming insane, this does not need to happen. He could secure a high quality painless poison that would instantly kill him and keep it with him right before activating the ground hog day power. If he discovers all the necessary information in, let's say, three years, he can almost instantly skip to the required hundred years. And he doesn't even need to, he has a lot of freedom and can easily go places, do adventures etc.
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On October 03 2012 08:35 MrF wrote:
I will rephrase my answer, if I was the omniscient guy i would win, If he is an idiot then yes he could loose by being dumb and wasting his question. the rest of my post is still relevant on page 13, lol what a silly thread. TLDR my first post
Voice guy asks what do i need to do to stay alive for a (week, month whatever) voice in his head tells him where he needs to go to not be killed most likely some hidden underground bunker stocked with food and how to get there he then has time to ask more questions to devise a plan to kill all the other opponents.
Some people are either not understanding correctly or overestimating GHD's ability he does not have infinite knowledge, if Voice guy simple avoids contact with anyone there is something like a one in a billion chance that he can be located, his opponents don't know who he is or where he is so they have no way to find him until he want to be found and if he is smart he will wait until he has a foolproof plan and probably until there are only one or 2 opponents left.
the voice can't see further than 24h in the future... also, if DN get his name how can him survive? he can write XXXX will die 24 hours + 1 second from now by a heart attack, so you wouldn't even know he will find your name in the next 24 h.
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Basically impossible for anyone besides guy 5 to win. The first 4 go through a regular timeline. Guy 5 lives ONLY in 3 days. He simply picks 3 days before the other 4 were born and they have no possibility of killing him. Say he's stupid and picks a 3 day span where they pass through in their normal time line. If one of them does not kill all of the rest in that period, it will never happen because he is in the past and can no longer be killed by them. Say somebody manages to figure out what 3 days he lives in, prepares an plan and kills him and others during the 3 day period they overlap with him. (Only omniscient guy could possibly know when guy 5 would even be in his timeline.) All teleport guy has to do is not be in the same place as guy 5 on those 3 days. It's pretty easy too. Teleport to the some obscure location or even the space station or whatever. He is not possible to be reached, much less likely to be killed in a specific 3 day span.
So basically guy 5 has hundred of tries to find a way to kill the rest, and the others get 1 3 day shot to kill him.
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Is it just me or does omniscient guy have the same power, potentially, as GHD? What's preventing him from asking his ''entity'':
'What have I learned since this whole thing started?', concerning everything that happened in Groundhog 'days'.
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On October 03 2012 09:21 JeffBitches wrote:
Is it just me or does omniscient guy have the same power, potentially, as GHD? What's preventing him from asking his ''entity'':
'What have I learned since this whole thing started?', concerning everything that happened in Groundhog 'days'.
You can not ask repeat questions. You could ask: when do I ask this question? But it wouldn't work, since your oracle can only look 24 hours into the future.
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Strategy for Omni.
Day 1: Ask, "What are my opponents' powers?" Omni now knows to hide for the next 3 days to avoid Groundhog, and assume a fake identity to avoid Death Note. Supposedly, he also learns about the notebook itself. He can safely ignore Timefreeze and Teleport.
Day 2: Ask, "Where does the owner of each power live?" He could specify this to be very precise coordinates. He now has a way of seeing their faces, and he knows where the notebook is. Book a flight to that city two days from now.
Day 3: Ask, very close to midnight, "What is the easiest way to steal the notebook tomorrow without being discovered by any of my opponents?"
Day 4: If he's still alive, then Groundhog is no longer a threat. Board the plane, land in Death Note's home city, execute the plan the voice told him yesterday. Afterwards, ask "What is the name of the owner of each power?"
Omni now has the notebook, and the names and whereabouts of each of his opponents (if they move, he can just ask where they went). All he would have to do then is see each of them physically to remember their face, and he can simply ask the voice how to do this with zero risk of them identifying him. He could probably win in under two weeks.
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nm, rule in balance patch negates this =\
+ Show Spoiler +day 1: Omni guy asks to know what the other 4 are capable of
day 2: Omni asks the daily plans* of the other 4, plans survival strategy based on this knowledge
day 3: Omni asks the names of the other 4
day 4: Omni gets death notes phone number, begins making anonymous calls giving the names of the other 3, plant a false name for himself. (Even if omni's motive is detected, Deathnote will likely comply due to mutual benefit)
repeat the day 2 step, until the only response is the destination of Deathnote guy (because dead people dont have a stuff to do)
Day whatever: Kill the Deathnote guy. nothing fancy, he knows his every action every day and can plan for anything
Daily Plans = every relevant detail. Not including breathing, sitting down, blinking(etc), but including exact locations of travel, purchases, written words/signatures for what purpose.
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On October 03 2012 09:26 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 09:21 JeffBitches wrote:
Is it just me or does omniscient guy have the same power, potentially, as GHD? What's preventing him from asking his ''entity'':
'What have I learned since this whole thing started?', concerning everything that happened in Groundhog 'days'. You can not ask repeat questions. You could ask: when do I ask this question? But it wouldn't work, since your oracle can only look 24 hours into the future.
I guess I'm not fully understanding the concept of 'repeat' questions. I mean the question 'what have I learned' is pretty general. Doesn't even exclusively concern the oracle's answers.
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The longer i think about this the more the odds seem to favor Death note guy. Especially if he also makes the eye deal. He is the only one that can have absolute control over other people. He really doesn't have to fear teleport, time stop or GHD guy. Because I just can't think of any way they could find/identify him if he goes into hiding from day 1. Only omniscient seems able to find him.
GHD guys power becomes completely useless if DN guy makes him commit suicide 2 weeks after having him identified. sure he relives last 3 or 5 days but he won't have any clue who or where DN guy is. Make a trip to the middle of nowhere and avoid the chance of being found when GHD guy spends his loop years randomly searching the globe. There must be places imaginable that are just unreachable in 5 days.
Don't know if the year of figuring out powers can be used to get intel on others or other benefits besides getting to know your power. But if thats the case he can for example arrange to be in orbit from Min 1 and unleashing a global nuclear war 2 min later. For that he doesn't even have to use his powers just do research.
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Groundhog day and omniscient guy are the only ones with a clear shot of winning. With any of these five powers it is ridiculously easy to kill someone if you know who they are. The result would be largely a game of intelligence, played by guys with timed explosives and high powered sniper rifles aiming to assassinate each other without giving the victim a chance to react. Teleportation, Time freeze and death note are useless for gathering intel, omniscience and groundhog day are supremely good at it. So what it would boil down to:
Groundhog day instantly activates his power and begins searching for clues as to who everyone else is. If he kills them all within his century of days he wins. If not, he is basically done for.
Ominiscience guy would spend the first few days acquiring intel on everyone and then a few more acquiring resources (money, weapons, a fake id) and then everyone left is basically dead.
If groundhog day takes out omniscience guy without killing the others, shit gets moderately more interesting, but that's a pretty rare scenario.
This does become moderately more interesting if you tweak the rules so that there is no backtrail whatsoever during the 1 year training period, or only as much as one wishes to leave (having known the rules of the game from the start). That preparatory period is actually far more interesting than the assassins game, which would end very quickly.
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After the 24h nerf, I think Omniscient guy has to ask "what did I learn during the last cycle" every other day.
GHG can choose when to start the loop. Suppose that GHG starts the loop on the first day and Omniscient guy asks some other question like "where is so-and-so", because everything resets after 3 days, we can assume that Omniscient guy will behave the same way during the second cycle (he'll ask "where is so-and-so" on the first day). The only way Omniscient guy can adapt and behave differently is if he asks what he learned during the previous cycle. Suppose now he asks "what did I learn last cycle" on the second day of the loop, he's fine because he still has 1 day left to ask something new to add to his knowledge for the next cycle. If he asks that on the third day, he'll find out that the loop has been activated but he can't really do anything about it since it'll reset before he can ask another question. So, he has to ask the question every other day, just to be safe.
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