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On October 05 2012 04:54 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 04:10 PanzerPony wrote:On October 05 2012 03:24 antilyon wrote:
I think there's a flaw on first step, you're wasting one question just to know if GHG guy used his power, and you're vulnerable to him for at least one whole day. And after he finds out omniguy identity, it's pretty easy track down omniguy destiny if he takes any kind of transportation. If he doesn't, well, even easier to find someone walking if you have 12000 chances. The exact way of how to avoid the GHG is a bit of a gamble. Omni could pack a backpack, get in the car and drive somewhere into the wilderness, where GHG will have no source of information to locate him. On October 05 2012 03:36 Hryul wrote:
I've mentioned this before: If omni is clever he tries to take on GHG at first and asks questions which allow him to alter his actions according to GHG. Thus GHG can't learn anything from omni guy if he does it clever. This would render his advantage useless.
The wildcard is DN guy because he can use his book to mindcontrol people. (I totally forgot that -.-;; ) I saw you suggested asking "how to kill GHG without being caught?". I think this question is kind of cheating though. If Omni can get a different answer during each of GHG's re-tries, his chances of survival improve a lot. He doesn't even need to ask how to kill GHG (because it will inevitably fail some one time out of 12k re-tries), but rather "where to hide?", and get a location where he is guaranteed to not be found. On October 05 2012 03:56 Mementoss wrote:
Omniscient guy nerfed, one question per day, cannot repeat questions, cannot ask questions that go more than 24 hours into the future. I don't think my strat violates any of these points. Yes, nevertheless the idea is the same. You just nullify the advantage of GHG through abusing your omni to prevent GHG from learning anything about you. I read that all people could be found through the traces they left throughout the year. It just is a problem that this is so vague because it really shifts the odds in favour of one or the other. the easier the traces the better for DN, the harder the traces the better for omni. I also think one has to account that teleport, timefreeze can easily gain money, DN through murder and omni even easier because he technically doesn't even have to commit a crime. GHG can not get money the year before because it is a one time thing which is a real downside.
3 days knowing every result of sports, gambles, lottery and stock market on the first three days of the first year isn't enough?
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Reminds me somewhat of playing MTG. Guy 4 is definitely a blue card and pre-patch he was ridiculously overpowered contract from below style.
Now he's basically just Ancestral Recall. Still just better then anyone (unless i missed a few ways his restrictions work).
Cool game I love stuff like this
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On October 05 2012 05:23 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 04:54 Hryul wrote:On October 05 2012 04:10 PanzerPony wrote:On October 05 2012 03:24 antilyon wrote:
I think there's a flaw on first step, you're wasting one question just to know if GHG guy used his power, and you're vulnerable to him for at least one whole day. And after he finds out omniguy identity, it's pretty easy track down omniguy destiny if he takes any kind of transportation. If he doesn't, well, even easier to find someone walking if you have 12000 chances. The exact way of how to avoid the GHG is a bit of a gamble. Omni could pack a backpack, get in the car and drive somewhere into the wilderness, where GHG will have no source of information to locate him. On October 05 2012 03:36 Hryul wrote:
I've mentioned this before: If omni is clever he tries to take on GHG at first and asks questions which allow him to alter his actions according to GHG. Thus GHG can't learn anything from omni guy if he does it clever. This would render his advantage useless.
The wildcard is DN guy because he can use his book to mindcontrol people. (I totally forgot that -.-;; ) I saw you suggested asking "how to kill GHG without being caught?". I think this question is kind of cheating though. If Omni can get a different answer during each of GHG's re-tries, his chances of survival improve a lot. He doesn't even need to ask how to kill GHG (because it will inevitably fail some one time out of 12k re-tries), but rather "where to hide?", and get a location where he is guaranteed to not be found. On October 05 2012 03:56 Mementoss wrote:
Omniscient guy nerfed, one question per day, cannot repeat questions, cannot ask questions that go more than 24 hours into the future. I don't think my strat violates any of these points. Yes, nevertheless the idea is the same. You just nullify the advantage of GHG through abusing your omni to prevent GHG from learning anything about you. I read that all people could be found through the traces they left throughout the year. It just is a problem that this is so vague because it really shifts the odds in favour of one or the other. the easier the traces the better for DN, the harder the traces the better for omni. I also think one has to account that teleport, timefreeze can easily gain money, DN through murder and omni even easier because he technically doesn't even have to commit a crime. GHG can not get money the year before because it is a one time thing which is a real downside. 3 days knowing every result of sports, gambles, lottery and stock market on the first three days of the first year isn't enough?
yes, but he had to remember it and gain wealth while not drawing attention from DN. And surviving the days without getting caught by omni/DN.
Also: getting rich is not the same as being rich. I could imagine omni has some kind of security at hand (at least i would do that, it would also make sense to have a backup plan if the voice goes silent suddenly).
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GHG could definitely win this, but he would have to choose his three days carefully or he would end up in a loop in which he can't win.
All he has to do is find a day in which within a three day time span, he can reach the other four guys(One at a time). He also has to make a plan to find out the names and faces of the other four guys one at time. In three days, all he has to do is find out the name and face of one of the other people participating and then restart the three days then find out another persons face and name.
Once he knows the face and name of every competitor. He would need to get to death note guy and obtain death note. There is a rule(if I read the death note rules correctly) that if you write in the death note a name wrong 4 times, then that person becomes immune to death note. This means you would have to kill the death note guy physically then take the death note and kill all the other guys before your 3 day time span is up. Since you found out the name and faces of the other competitors beforehand in other GH days, then you would be able to win. This is of course difficult as you would have to choose a set of three days in which you can get in contact with and find out the names of each of the competitors individually within three days. But if you could and get the death note, you instantly win. But that is assuming you aren't found out by omni guy within those 3 days in which you would lose infinitely D=.
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On October 05 2012 06:01 Shardz wrote:
GHG could definitely win this, but he would have to choose his three days carefully or he would end up in a loop in which he can't win.
All he has to do is find a day in which within a three day time span, he can reach the other four guys(One at a time). He also has to make a plan to find out the names and faces of the other four guys one at time. In three days, all he has to do is find out the name and face of one of the other people participating and then restart the three days then find out another persons face and name.
Once he knows the face and name of every competitor. He would need to get to death note guy and obtain death note. There is a rule(if I read the death note rules correctly) that if you write in the death note a name wrong 4 times, then that person becomes immune to death note. This means you would have to kill the death note guy physically then take the death note and kill all the other guys before your 3 day time span is up. Since you found out the name and faces of the other competitors beforehand in other GH days, then you would be able to win. This is of course difficult as you would have to choose a set of three days in which you can get in contact with and find out the names of each of the competitors individually within three days. But if you could and get the death note, you instantly win. But that is assuming you aren't found out by omni guy within those 3 days in which you would lose infinitely D=.
I think GHG could reasonably accomplish that in any 3-day span. The biggest issue is whether or not Omni can evade him during the loop. However, Omni gets nothing during the loop, and GHG potentially has close to a week after his loop to learn who Omni is before Omni is able to get enough info to take GHG down (GHG just had 100 years to become awesome, he can definitely handle himself and knows a few tricks about staying hidden. Omni still has his work cut out for him, and will inevitably have to expose himself if he ever plans to go on the offensive).
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There is a fundamental flaw here. Everytime GHG dies, a new reality is created.
1: GHG starts loop, guy 4 kills 3, then 2, then 1 then GHG. Guy 4 is god in that universe. BUT GHG just respawns and tries again.
2: GHG starts loop, does different actions, a different guy wins, that guy is god for that reality and GHG moves on again.
3: GHG starts loop, 3 days pass without him dying. Since he only exists in those 3 days, he will magically disappear from the reality of the other 4 who move past his 3 day span. None of them can win because they can't kill GHG so they just live out lives like normal people.
These things all happen hundreds of times with thousands of varying outcomes...
....Untill GHG wins once. If he wins once he becomes god and his loop ends, thus no more realities are created and he rules as god in the last reality and the other various guys will live out their realities as either gods or in the draw situation completely oblivious that they had splintered off of the prime reality.
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Since the five hour freeze guy isn't getting any love, i'm going to make a case for him.
He should be wealthy at the start of day one from all the money he collected testing out his power. His power leads him to be a nuclear physicist to study the effects of frozen time. He will have good control over a large nuclear energy plant and access to a object that he can fit in that can withstand leaving earth's atmosphere. The second day one starts he freezes time for five hours.
His "time freeze" essentially negates any interaction that particles would have with each other, besides any needed biological/life functions. He is allowed to move the location of particles, but they will not react to their new location until the time freeze ends.
Time freeze guy goes to nuclear plant and places a huge number of specific particles in a certain arrangement otherwise impossible with particle interaction. The particles are placed in a way where they will annihilate each other once time resumes, and release enough energy to eradicate all life on earth.
He then travels for 4 hours to where his durable object is located on top of a tall building. He sets up another particle interaction underneath it that will propel the object into space once time resumes.
Time resumes and he is hurtled into space just under the speed that would kill him. The nuclear power plant explodes and everyone on the surface of earth dies from the shock wave. GHG has no chance of escaping it even with 10000 tries. Time Freeze Guy's changes to the particle arrangements at the power plant cause such a large distortion in the space-time fabric that from the perspective of residents on earth, all actions outside of their atmosphere undergo an entire years worth of time in half a second.
Therefor, from the perspective of earthlings, Time freeze guy rightfully wins the competition.
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On October 05 2012 05:34 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Reminds me somewhat of playing MTG. Guy 4 is definitely a blue card and pre-patch he was ridiculously overpowered contract from below style.
Now he's basically just Ancestral Recall. Still just better then anyone (unless i missed a few ways his restrictions work).
Cool game I love stuff like this
No, right now he's JTMS. Can use foresight powers either to get more information or do crazy stuff with his opponents, but only once a turn.
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On October 05 2012 07:00 xNSwarm wrote:
Since the five hour freeze guy isn't getting any love, i'm going to make a case for him.
He should be wealthy at the start of day one from all the money he collected testing out his power. His power leads him to be a nuclear physicist to study the effects of frozen time. He will have good control over a large nuclear energy plant and access to a object that he can fit in that can withstand leaving earth's atmosphere. The second day one starts he freezes time for five hours.
His "time freeze" essentially negates any interaction that particles would have with each other, besides any needed biological/life functions. He is allowed to move the location of particles, but they will not react to their new location until the time freeze ends.
Time freeze guy goes to nuclear plant and places a huge number of specific particles in a certain arrangement otherwise impossible with particle interaction. The particles are placed in a way where they will annihilate each other once time resumes, and release enough energy to eradicate all life on earth.
He then travels for 4 hours to where his durable object is located on top of a tall building. He sets up another particle interaction underneath it that will propel the object into space once time resumes.
Time resumes and he is hurtled into space just under the speed that would kill him. The nuclear power plant explodes and everyone on the surface of earth dies from the shock wave. GHG has no chance of escaping it even with 10000 tries. Time Freeze Guy's changes to the particle arrangements at the power plant cause such a large distortion in the space-time fabric that from the perspective of residents on earth, all actions outside of their atmosphere undergo an entire years worth of time in half a second.
Therefor, from the perspective of earthlings, Time freeze guy rightfully wins the competition.
haha awesome. Somebody is definitely thinking with portals now! 
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lol no way to think about other guys
guy of answers
first question names and addresses send out 3 names to death note guy
second question lottery numbers ... get millionarie
spend all the money for a mercenary to kill death note guy
in 2 days he is the survivor =P
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Why do people seem to think hired assassins are guaranteed kills anyway? Especially if they are facing freeze time and Jumper.
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It's funny how a lot of people think guy 4 is the definite winner due to his (over)power. But I think his strength is a detriment in this particular scenario given the 1 year testing period. If you give a "random" person this ability, he will likely use it immediately for his own benefit (pending on his own personal philosophical stance). This can range from great wealth, power, or even public service. Regardless of what the exact end may be, it is assured that he will become vastly successful towards that end.
Now the 1 year test period condition is a bit vague since he can't reach celebrity status but has "left signs" to be found. But the guy who was endowed with power 4 will likely be the easiest to locate through general research as compared to the other 4 participants. Naturally his power itself won't be revealed since it will remain hidden; however, his success at whatever endeavor he chooses will likely be highly publicized or at least easily pinpointed through the media, off-hand sources, etc...
So long as the guy who was given DN power has decent deductive ability, he should immediately use his power to essentially use a blitz strategy and kill all individuals who have become moderately successful in their respective endeavors over the past 1 year. Additionally, since he can apply conditions to each death, there may be some avenue to put in as a condition for the person to use power 4 to help DN guy reach the other 3 remaining players. He can place this condition for all people he aims to kill: if they're not power 4 guy, heartattack; if power 4 guy, then condition applies.
(Edit 1: As a side note, another benefit of this strategy is that guy 1/2 may be taken out as a consolation prize. The use of time freeze/teleportation has potential to help garner a great amount of wealth in a short period of time. But since guy 4/5 are the greatest threats at the moment, it isn't really necessary to focus on guy 1/2 until those two are taken out. The best situation would be to use guy 4's power to locate and kill guy 5 using the DN. You can't kill guy 5 in person because you'd be taking a risk of hitting him during his cycle. And you can't kill guy 5 during his cycle because he'll figure out how to kill you in his subsequent cycles. EXCEPT, if you do it with the DN he will have no avenue to figure how he died on that particular moment thus nullifying the almost immunity he has during his cycles. You would also be shortening his cycle by a random amount for a good many years to come unless he somehow figures how you killed him. Then there would be the logistical issue of being able to kill DN guy since guy 5 wouldn't have 3 days to kill DN guy but a shortened period depending on when DN guy killed guy 5 during the cycle. And if DN guy kills guy 5 outside his cycle, he's dead.)
(Edit 2: And once again, the issue of research will not be a problem given DN guy's ability to control others' actions before their deaths. Through the use of the DN, he could use the labor of hundreds of other individuals who have access to confidential or more substantial databases to research then send him the info he needs. This could range from heads of state, members of the DOD or FBI, or even members of top consulting firms or think tanks. Why do the research yourself when someone else could do it more effectively in a shorter amount of time, then give you the results you need. So where everyone else it's FFA, DN guy it's him and anyone he controls vs. all. [And of course you'd have to be careful about the transfer of information to avert GHG tapping the paper trail.])
So long as DN guy has half a brain, he should be at an advantage in the beginning of the game. Realistically, DN guy's power and the GHG power should be the least susceptible to be uncovered through research given that GHG wouldn't have used his power until the competition began and DN guy would have the incentive to be most clandestine regarding his powers. I would put my money on either DN guy or GHG to win.
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On October 05 2012 07:00 xNSwarm wrote:
Since the five hour freeze guy isn't getting any love, i'm going to make a case for him.
He should be wealthy at the start of day one from all the money he collected testing out his power. His power leads him to be a nuclear physicist to study the effects of frozen time. He will have good control over a large nuclear energy plant and access to a object that he can fit in that can withstand leaving earth's atmosphere. The second day one starts he freezes time for five hours.
His "time freeze" essentially negates any interaction that particles would have with each other, besides any needed biological/life functions. He is allowed to move the location of particles, but they will not react to their new location until the time freeze ends.
Time freeze guy goes to nuclear plant and places a huge number of specific particles in a certain arrangement otherwise impossible with particle interaction. The particles are placed in a way where they will annihilate each other once time resumes, and release enough energy to eradicate all life on earth.
He then travels for 4 hours to where his durable object is located on top of a tall building. He sets up another particle interaction underneath it that will propel the object into space once time resumes.
Time resumes and he is hurtled into space just under the speed that would kill him. The nuclear power plant explodes and everyone on the surface of earth dies from the shock wave. GHG has no chance of escaping it even with 10000 tries. Time Freeze Guy's changes to the particle arrangements at the power plant cause such a large distortion in the space-time fabric that from the perspective of residents on earth, all actions outside of their atmosphere undergo an entire years worth of time in half a second.
Therefor, from the perspective of earthlings, Time freeze guy rightfully wins the competition.
This actually could be a way for freeze-guy to win, albeit in a different way.
If he can get everyone on earth to die, except him due to his powers, then he wins the competition. I don't know about the whole particle arrangements thing, but what if he happened to use his wealth/powers to obtain a bunker stored with food. Then he used his powers to steal a shit-ton of viruses to start a global pandemic that kills 99% of the population. He's safe in his bunker and would win the game this way.
I don't see a way for death note guy to avoid the viruses. Omni guy might be able to. Jumper probably not. GHG maybe, but idk.
In any case, if Time freeze guy can start a catastrophic extinction event, and avoid it using his abilities, he wins. I suppose the same holds true for anyone but Time freeze guy (and maybe GHG) have it the easiest.
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On October 05 2012 07:00 xNSwarm wrote:
Since the five hour freeze guy isn't getting any love, i'm going to make a case for him.
He should be wealthy at the start of day one from all the money he collected testing out his power. His power leads him to be a nuclear physicist to study the effects of frozen time. He will have good control over a large nuclear energy plant and access to a object that he can fit in that can withstand leaving earth's atmosphere. The second day one starts he freezes time for five hours.
His "time freeze" essentially negates any interaction that particles would have with each other, besides any needed biological/life functions. He is allowed to move the location of particles, but they will not react to their new location until the time freeze ends.
Time freeze guy goes to nuclear plant and places a huge number of specific particles in a certain arrangement otherwise impossible with particle interaction. The particles are placed in a way where they will annihilate each other once time resumes, and release enough energy to eradicate all life on earth.
He then travels for 4 hours to where his durable object is located on top of a tall building. He sets up another particle interaction underneath it that will propel the object into space once time resumes.
Time resumes and he is hurtled into space just under the speed that would kill him. The nuclear power plant explodes and everyone on the surface of earth dies from the shock wave. GHG has no chance of escaping it even with 10000 tries. Time Freeze Guy's changes to the particle arrangements at the power plant cause such a large distortion in the space-time fabric that from the perspective of residents on earth, all actions outside of their atmosphere undergo an entire years worth of time in half a second.
Therefor, from the perspective of earthlings, Time freeze guy rightfully wins the competition.
Freezing time is imbalanced.
Although I don't think you can just simply "arrange" particles in a certain manner when time is frozen...
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On October 05 2012 11:03 Cool Cat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 07:00 xNSwarm wrote:
Since the five hour freeze guy isn't getting any love, i'm going to make a case for him.
He should be wealthy at the start of day one from all the money he collected testing out his power. His power leads him to be a nuclear physicist to study the effects of frozen time. He will have good control over a large nuclear energy plant and access to a object that he can fit in that can withstand leaving earth's atmosphere. The second day one starts he freezes time for five hours.
His "time freeze" essentially negates any interaction that particles would have with each other, besides any needed biological/life functions. He is allowed to move the location of particles, but they will not react to their new location until the time freeze ends.
Time freeze guy goes to nuclear plant and places a huge number of specific particles in a certain arrangement otherwise impossible with particle interaction. The particles are placed in a way where they will annihilate each other once time resumes, and release enough energy to eradicate all life on earth.
He then travels for 4 hours to where his durable object is located on top of a tall building. He sets up another particle interaction underneath it that will propel the object into space once time resumes.
Time resumes and he is hurtled into space just under the speed that would kill him. The nuclear power plant explodes and everyone on the surface of earth dies from the shock wave. GHG has no chance of escaping it even with 10000 tries. Time Freeze Guy's changes to the particle arrangements at the power plant cause such a large distortion in the space-time fabric that from the perspective of residents on earth, all actions outside of their atmosphere undergo an entire years worth of time in half a second.
Therefor, from the perspective of earthlings, Time freeze guy rightfully wins the competition. Freezing time is imbalanced. Although I don't think you can just simply "arrange" particles in a certain manner when time is frozen...
YOU CAN FREEZE TIME OMG TEACH PLOX
e: The point of the thread is wacky scenarios...and let's face it, particle physics is a little beyond my grasp anyways.
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On October 05 2012 11:19 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 11:03 Cool Cat wrote:On October 05 2012 07:00 xNSwarm wrote:
Since the five hour freeze guy isn't getting any love, i'm going to make a case for him.
He should be wealthy at the start of day one from all the money he collected testing out his power. His power leads him to be a nuclear physicist to study the effects of frozen time. He will have good control over a large nuclear energy plant and access to a object that he can fit in that can withstand leaving earth's atmosphere. The second day one starts he freezes time for five hours.
His "time freeze" essentially negates any interaction that particles would have with each other, besides any needed biological/life functions. He is allowed to move the location of particles, but they will not react to their new location until the time freeze ends.
Time freeze guy goes to nuclear plant and places a huge number of specific particles in a certain arrangement otherwise impossible with particle interaction. The particles are placed in a way where they will annihilate each other once time resumes, and release enough energy to eradicate all life on earth.
He then travels for 4 hours to where his durable object is located on top of a tall building. He sets up another particle interaction underneath it that will propel the object into space once time resumes.
Time resumes and he is hurtled into space just under the speed that would kill him. The nuclear power plant explodes and everyone on the surface of earth dies from the shock wave. GHG has no chance of escaping it even with 10000 tries. Time Freeze Guy's changes to the particle arrangements at the power plant cause such a large distortion in the space-time fabric that from the perspective of residents on earth, all actions outside of their atmosphere undergo an entire years worth of time in half a second.
Therefor, from the perspective of earthlings, Time freeze guy rightfully wins the competition. Freezing time is imbalanced. Although I don't think you can just simply "arrange" particles in a certain manner when time is frozen... YOU CAN FREEZE TIME OMG TEACH PLOX e: The point of the thread is wacky scenarios...and let's face it, particle physics is a little beyond my grasp anyways.
The ability to "freeze time" and still function yourself is very vague and has a lot of questions to answer to make sense. It kinda violates every law of physics etc. So i just took it to the extreme because I felt bad for the freeze guy.
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I thoroughly enjoyed it. Extending the violations, just moving in general would cause catastrophic damage as air was instantaneously displaced.
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So i did some math on DN and if he can find 3 pictures of a person a minute for 16 hours a day he could kill 1051200 people. Now count in the fact that all of these people live in modern countries and would likely have attracted some attention. This will make their pictures more prevalent on the internet. So DN should just stay as under the radar as possible while just searching the internet for rich people and killing them and then moving on to anybody he can find. I think that the shear quantity of killing he can do would allow him to win. He could also just start making random people go berserk and get shot by police as their way of dying. Or maybe specify someone get bombed or such. I just think that DN would be able to specify enough collateral damage to kill most of humanity while drawing no attention to himself. Because DN can just spam rampaging and then getting shot by cops, dying in a plane/car/train crash, or getting killed by a car bomb he would just kill everybody.
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On October 05 2012 12:51 DBS wrote:
So i did some math on DN and if he can find 3 pictures of a person a minute for 16 hours a day he could kill 1051200 people. Now count in the fact that all of these people live in modern countries and would likely have attracted some attention. This will make their pictures more prevalent on the internet. So DN should just stay as under the radar as possible while just searching the internet for rich people and killing them and then moving on to anybody he can find. I think that the shear quantity of killing he can do would allow him to win. He could also just start making random people go berserk and get shot by police as their way of dying. Or maybe specify someone get bombed or such. I just think that DN would be able to specify enough collateral damage to kill most of humanity while drawing no attention to himself. Because DN can just spam rampaging and then getting shot by cops, dying in a plane/car/train crash, or getting killed by a car bomb he would just kill everybody.
You forget that Omni guy can sell information to the police. At first the police might disregard Omni but when everything he says start coming true.....they will follow him and eventually DN guy will die.
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Btw I skipped over the DN rules and it says multiple times that there can be no collateral damage on purpose. If there is, the cause of death will instead be heart attack.
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