EPTwho would win? - Page 12
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
if time travel man knows the location of all of them at once, at any time, and they are within 5 hours of each other, he is just goign to stab them all or if time man can figure out a way in his 12175 attempts to end it in 3 days, and does it succesfully on the last cycle, then he is gonna win | ||
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pwnagraphy
United States24 Posts
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
If I was the deathnote guy, I would kill EVERYONE. I will find out who is in charge of the nuclear bombs in a country and then get him to launch all his missiles to every country in the world except Greenland. Then I will retreat to Greenland watch everything obliterate. If there was a small chance that someone knew about the plan and then retreat to Greenland as well, you will have already eliminted 99% of the population of the world and narrow down alot of possibilities. Then you just slowly works your way to finding out who the last person you didnt kill. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 03 2012 06:16 rpgalon wrote: why people are thinking that the Omni has also unlimited power? if he falls from a plane and asks: how do I survive? does the voice say: you create wings! if he is against a guy with a gun and asks how I kill him, the voice will say: you dodge the bullets and break his neck... he is not that powerfull like everyone is making him out to be. I still think the DN guy got this... he can control everyone he knows the name and saw the face for 23 days. and is the only one that does not need. also, you need to know who you are looking for them you start looking where is he/she the DN guy does not need to know where are you, once he discover who you are, you are dead. It is impossible for the Death Note guy to win on days 1-3. This is purely because any scenario where he wins on days 1-3 will be reset because of how GHG's power works. What's more, because he can't gain knowledge across time loops the way #4 and #5 can, he will be executing the SAME plan 12000 times. Which means that after the first few, #4 and #5 will be able to elude any kill attempts made by #3 against them on the first 3 days. They then kill him during day 2 of the last cycle. Essentially, the only way for Death Note to win is if both #4 and #5 are so stupid that they cannot evade death on days 1-3 even with 12000 retries. As soon as either finds a scenario where they can avoid death on days 1-3, #3 is dead because the remaining time loops can be used to devise a way to kill him. The only way for anyone other than #4 to win is for #5 not to use or waste his power (e.g. #5 suicides right at the beginning of every cycle). Because if #5's power activates, #4 gets immeasurable benefit from it by being able to learn what he knew before by asking for it on the first day of each loop ("What did I learn during the last time loop?"). Essentially, he gains #5's power in proxy by giving up the first question of each loop for it. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
If I were him my biggest concern is the omniscient guy asking who/where I am and him killing me since none of the others have any way of figuring out who I am. Assuming the omniscient guy is good he might try to kill me (groundhog guy) asap so with that in mind I think I would invoke my power on the 2nd day. From here on the key is to ascertain all the other people's locations/identities and to work out the best pattern for killing as many/all of them within the 3-day period as possible. The "How can I kill GDG/any name today without dying myself?" seems like a good bet for the omni guy though. He should just keep at it until GDG is dead. I think it comes down to just how much this "omniscient voice" will answer. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On October 03 2012 06:25 TheYango wrote: It is impossible for the Death Note guy to win on days 1-3. This is purely because any scenario where he wins on days 1-3 will be reset because of how GHG's power works. What's more, because he can't gain knowledge across time loops the way #4 and #5 can, he will be executing the SAME plan 12000 times. Which means that after the first few, #4 and #5 will be able to elude any kill attempts made by #3 against them on the first 3 days. They then kill him during day 2 of the last cycle. Essentially, the only way for Death Note to win is if both #4 and #5 are so stupid that they cannot evade death on days 1-3 even with 12000 retries. As soon as either finds a scenario where they can avoid death on days 1-3, #3 is dead because the remaining time loops can be used to devise a way to kill him. In general I think people overestimate all the powers though, especially GHG, at least for him winning. He cans screw over death note guy like that, but how is he really going to do anything to teleport guy? I don't think they know the nationality that everyone starts at (maybe the silhouette may be identifiable if, say, the US person had a cowboy hat and cowboy boots or something, at least more than "here is a slender guy"), but teleport guy can immediately go to a public restroom stall, teleport to South Africa, and be alright. for 3 days. Upon teleporting back to the restroom stall, just immediately teleport back. Even if GHG finds the apartment/identity of teleport guy, he will never find the teleportation spot. Too much also depends on the prior year. For instance, I'm sure there are some people in the world that, if granted the ability to teleport, would after a few days of playing around decide "HOLY SHIT I CAN TELEPORT TIME TO GET FAMOUS ON EVERY TV STATION IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD". He'd die instantly to deathnote guy. Whereas people with 1 omniscient question probably will just use to make maybe 5 million dollars, donate some to charity, live a comfortable life, etc. Probably try to find an ideal wife/husband using the question. Time freeze guy probably plays around with it and may get some money by like cheating every couple weeks at a very high stake poker game/casino game. GHG, if able to test his ability ever (I'm assuming maybe get 1 cycle repeat, just as a proof of concept he can use his ability), probably just makes some money. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
Omniscient should take it, as he is likely at least moderately wealthy from the previous year of testing and has a pretty strong power. He can counter GHG by asking the one question, and the other's don't have a real chance to get to him. But, timefreeze and deathnote have little aces. The omniscient guy may be one of the newer wealthier people in the world, and death note guy can stay anonymous and kill all the rich people in the world (good odds of success to kill others, as it is likely at least 1 of them abuse the power in the previous year to make a shitton of money, like 100 million dollars). And if timefreeze ever gets a good scenario 1v1 somehow he can win. Toss up also for whoever kills deathnote and takes the deathnote. *It would make a big difference if they also got dreams whenever someone died; don't know if that is part of the scenario. I think GHG may want to try to go into hiding and hope something happens, and wait to pop it off to finish the last 2 people or so. much more manageable than all 4 at the start. He is basically useless after his power is gone. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On October 03 2012 06:45 N.geNuity wrote: anyways, never voiced my own opinion. I think it actually comes down to time freeze, death note, and omniscient, with omniscient (guy 4) the clear favourite. Basically, I don't think GHG has any chance to finish all the others off in 3 days, and I think it is too risky to wait like 5 days to try to hope someone killed someone else first*. And teleport guy just doesn't have any ability that really helps with killing anyone; it's all defensive. Omniscient should take it, as he is likely at least moderately wealthy from the previous year of testing and has a pretty strong power. He can counter GHG by asking the one question, and the other's don't have a real chance to get to him. But, timefreeze and deathnote have little aces. The omniscient guy may be one of the newer wealthier people in the world, and death note guy can stay anonymous and kill all the rich people in the world (good odds of success to kill others, as it is likely at least 1 of them abuse the power in the previous year to make a shitton of money, like 100 million dollars). And if timefreeze ever gets a good scenario 1v1 somehow he can win. Toss up also for whoever kills deathnote and takes the deathnote. *It would make a big difference if they also got dreams whenever someone died; don't know if that is part of the scenario. I think GHG may want to try to go into hiding and hope something happens, and wait to pop it off to finish the last 2 people or so. much more manageable than all 4 at the start. He is basically useless after his power is gone. Couldnt agree more. Omni potent and Death Note guy will most likely be going after each other first imo since both their power are the most dangerous to themselves. While everyone will be avoiding time freeze guy because a direct confrontation with this guy is death. Teleport guy will just be playing defensively, probably laying trap and stuff since he cant really kill anyone. Ground hog guy will probably be playing defensive too to try and see if people will kill each other. Since he kinda needs people to kill each other and wait it out since he wants to activate his power as late as possible. So imo, it comes down to who ever wins between Death note guy and omni potent guy. Who ever wins that will pretty much determine the winner. | ||
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
Because he gets 100 years of knowledge I would definitely favor him, but it is very possible that even given 100 years of knowledge he will not be able to execute a plan that kills everyone in three days. He is the only one who could realistically find a way to overcome everyone's powers and kill them before the world resets apart from Groundhog himself. Groundhog would have a more difficult time figuring everything out than Omni, but he would also have a crushing advantage the moment the loop ends. In a scenario it would matter how fast Omni figures out the loop has started and begins his burden of knowledge and if he can figure out when the loop ends. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
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norsK
United States131 Posts
being that they know of each others powers, do you guys think they would form allies? | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
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Orek
1665 Posts
On October 03 2012 07:03 norsK wrote: Groundhog guy wins almost surely IF he chooses the right 3 days to repeat. If all of the heroes are convinced to come to the same place (via deathnote propaganda or omniman), He could easily orchestrate them all killing each other as he rides in to the sunset. Unlike the other heroes, his ability is much more than a 1 time per day effect. As long as he plans for the first 362 days of the year and does not die first... being that they know of each others powers, do you guys think they would form allies? Death Note + Omni is basically unbeatable combo once alliance is formed. But it is a very risky alliance for both, so probably it won't happen. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
That way it's not so overpowered and you get less messy time loop scenarios. And at the very least GHG would stay sane. And change the setting to five people living within thirty miles of Tokyo, since we all know this is basically an Anime plot. Also, the need to teleport or to freeze time for #1 and #2 aren't weaknesses at all, so I don't know why it is required of them to do so. If you freeze time, nobody else notices, so it's not a weakness, because you won't noticeably age anyway. If you teleport you could give away your identity, but there's nothing preventing you from entering the bathroom and teleporting two steps away from you, after ensuring your privacy. | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
On October 03 2012 06:25 TheYango wrote: It is impossible for the Death Note guy to win on days 1-3. This is purely because any scenario where he wins on days 1-3 will be reset because of how GHG's power works. What's more, because he can't gain knowledge across time loops the way #4 and #5 can, he will be executing the SAME plan 12000 times. Which means that after the first few, #4 and #5 will be able to elude any kill attempts made by #3 against them on the first 3 days. They then kill him during day 2 of the last cycle. Essentially, the only way for Death Note to win is if both #4 and #5 are so stupid that they cannot evade death on days 1-3 even with 12000 retries. As soon as either finds a scenario where they can avoid death on days 1-3, #3 is dead because the remaining time loops can be used to devise a way to kill him. The only way for anyone other than #4 to win is for #5 not to use or waste his power (e.g. #5 suicides right at the beginning of every cycle). Because if #5's power activates, #4 gets immeasurable benefit from it by being able to learn what he knew before by asking for it on the first day of each loop ("What did I learn during the last time loop?"). Essentially, he gains #5's power in proxy by giving up the first question of each loop for it. GHG can discover who you are because of the hints in the year before but he can not find you. this is VERY important, he can discover who you are, but every one of them have like 7h to hide before the GHG starts looking for you, and once they hide, the only way to find them is using the Omni guy power, but even him, can only know where the guy is one time only (he can't repeat the question). for example DN guy leaves his house, walks for 1 h, sits and disguises himself as a beggar. even knowing who the DN guy is, GHG will never find him. | ||
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