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On September 02 2012 11:25 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 11:22 Roe wrote:On September 02 2012 11:20 Noro wrote:
Absolutely not. There's no reason behind this. And it is dangerous. Weed is and will always be a gateway drug. My friend recently died from drug use.. and where did it start? One day in highschool smoking weed.
Legalizing it would mean "controlling" it. And if anyone thinks this would get rid of illegal sales of weed, you're very mistaken. There will always be underground illegal operations. It would be the biggest mistake ever to legalize it. You sure he didn't have any problems in his life? My cousin died at age 30 from drug overdose. He too started on weed and worked his way up. I can honestly say most of the troubles in his life were caused by drugs, fighting for them, stealing money to buy them etc. It's a horrible lifestye nobody should have to live.
But the drugs would be cheaper if they were legalized. People wouldn't have to commit other crimes to afford them, and they wouldn't have to deal with the thugs and ne'erdowells who currently sell pot.
People get addicted to things other than weed. How many people drink themselves to death each year? Even if it doesn't kill them, alcohol ruins plenty of peoples' lives too. Should we ban alcohol just because some people can't control themselves?
I've never done marijuana, but I see absolutely no reason it should be forbidden when alcohol is perfectly legal.
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Of course it should be legalized. Weed is literally my life blood. I would do anything to have easy, affordable access whenever I wanted. But I would also like some other things to be legalized like peyote, shrooms, dmt, salvia.
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On September 02 2012 12:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 12:08 Chocolate wrote:On September 02 2012 11:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 02 2012 11:44 a176 wrote:
im all for legalizing, and removing the criminal trade. but my only concern is the plebeians. you know. the kind who are dumb enough to drive piss drunk this day in age. now they'll drunk and high at the same time. good times. You must be one naive person to think that those people you speak of aren't already doing it... Getting high is possibly 10 to 20 times easier than buying boos and it's relatively cheaper by quite a bit, add that into the fact that almost everyone, everywhere is smoking pot because the law is stupid and the only thing you'll see is a drop in the blackmarket because almost all of its money will shift into the governments pockets instead of the dealers hands, and it will be regulated so it makes it harder for 13yr olds to get the grass (Although just like alcohol, they may very well do it) and taxed like a motherfucker, imagine how much money a the government would make it if industrialized the pot making business and sold it at 10 fucking dollars a gram (which is relatively normal price) and then sold like hydro at 15-20... Motherfuckers would be raking in BILLIONS of dollars anually lol What, getting MJ is easier than getting booze?? Come on, think about it. Almost every adult has some sort of alcohol in their household because it's legal and very popular. Marijuana is illegal and thus must be bought illicitly via black market or grown itself, and is not popularly consumed by grown adults (not the 420 weed erryday 16-26 year olds). Overall, I think marijuana should be legal along with relatively safe ecstasy because there's no reason not to. They are both quite safe, possibly more so than cigarettes, and there's no point in banning something like that; it goes against our liberty. I would, however, support a large tax on them to keep them expensive to prevent their use from becomely rampant across the country. Hopefully one day, people will realize that these drugs are only good for use every once in a while: they aren't particularly healthy, you can get addicted (maybe not physically, but you can), and they aren't cheap. To be honest I doubt marijuana's effects on the lung are much better than cigs', unless you vaporize or something. I'm not a smoker so I don't know for certain  Then your parents see a bottle of vodka missing and you get beat. Seriously, maybe if your parents are raging alcoholics and can't remember when or what they bought then you could get away with it, but in any other circumstance it would probably be harder, especially if for whatever reason you need to buy it. If you had to buy weed or alcohol and not just steal it from you parents then it is much much more difficult. Could you agree with that?
Yes I could. I could also say that a can of beer or two missing is pretty inconsequential, not to mention I'm sure that many parents and older siblings would (and do) get beer for underage people explicitly. That's a lot harder to do with marijuana, because you have to know where to get it or who to get it from, while with alcohol almost everyone over 21 has easy access.
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Weed being illegal makes it easier to get.
Having to buy from dealers often exposes people to harder drugs.
Not knowing your source is risky, as I have seen people after they smoked laced stuff.
The money we would save by getting all of those non-dangerous offenders out of jail and the money we would gain through tax and revenue would be rather enormous.
Legalizing it would likely be the start of a transition away from alcohol and tobacco (obviously not 100%, but some nonetheless).
Does a person not have the right to personal freedoms that don't harm others? Growing your own and smoking it quite literally affects no one but yourself.
Maybe cops could actually do something useful (in my area, literally 85% of their work is comprised of speeding tickets and minor possession charges).
Though I don't particularly believe in its effectiveness, who are we to say that legitimate medical patients can't use something that they claim helps them?
The industrial uses of hemp rather huge.
And, lastly, I ask what reason there is to keep it illegal in the first place? If I remember correctly, wasn't it made illegal because a rich paper industry lord bribed corrupt politicians into doing it?
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On September 02 2012 11:59 NTTemplar wrote:
It should stay illegal, however alcohol, smoking, that shit you put up under your lip etc should also be illegal.
Also working out and classes about eating right should be mandatory. Still shocks me how much people like hating theirself, the body is our vessel in life, why not love it more?
My biggest "want" in the list above is schools introducing classes to learn kids about eating right, since currently one is at their parents mercy here.
If kids could come home and suddenly go "we learned that is not good for us mommy ! we should have that instead!" would be great.
If you believe in educating people about health and their body from an early age, then why would you worry about people ingesting "harmful" things at their own volition? If you want to unit people under a banner called whats right, there is no reason to illegalize anything. People will judge evidence for themselves, risks, rewards, ect. And the people with the same values as you (no matter how wrong I might find them to be) will come running to your side, while people who you have nothing in common with will do other things. I agree with educating, but I don't believe in limiting. If the evidence is strong enough that a certain thing is harmful, then the smart people will stay away from it. If your arguments are weak and the evidence non existing, then no. It dosen't have to be any more complicated than that.
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I don't know how it is in the US. But here in Sweden it wouldn't make any sense to legalize. It's a drug that acts as a gateway drug and makes you a lazy loser that doesn't contribute to the society. Well that's that the goverment tells you. I've watched the documentary and it very much pro cannabis so i would recommend everyone to take it with a spoon of salt. Matter of fact is that pro cannabis people almost always comes off as people and is blind to the negative sides of the drug. Often times i hear "oh, that's what the goverment wants you to believe" and "Weed has no negative effects, it the perfect drug".
It's really hard to take those people seriously.
There have been researches that have proven that teens that smoke have a lower IQ then non cannabis smokers. Thats because it interfers with the brains development. I've tried the drug but didn't like it because it made me lazy and unproductive. I dont think that those conditions are what makes a world evolve.
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I think it is silly to have weed illegal, while you can buy alcohol almost anywhere in America.
Take money out of the hands of drug-lord and put it in the hands of farmers and stores.
If it were sold legally, then it could be taxed, bringing in more money for the government.
Prison overcrowding and overwhelmed courts would be essentially fixed.
And weed isn't the "gateway" to hard drugs. The gateway is the situations and scenes you have to put yourself into in order to obtain the product. If you can buy legal weed in a safe setting, then you're probably not going to need to meet someone in a shady alley/apartment to pick up some impure/unsafe smack.
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At the very least, marijuana should not be a Schedule I drug in the U.S. This is not really an opinion so much as an objective fact: marijuana doesn't fit the legal guidelines for Schedule I any more than Cheerios-brand cereal.
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Marijuana can lead to schizophrenia. You should research the studies, it's interesting.
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On September 02 2012 12:27 TheSwedishFan wrote:
I don't know how it is in the US. But here in Sweden it wouldn't make any sense to legalize. It's a drug that acts as a gateway drug and makes you a lazy loser that doesn't contribute to the society. Well that's that the goverment tells you. I've watched the documentary and it very much pro cannabis so i would recommend everyone to take it with a spoon of salt. Matter of fact is that pro cannabis people almost always comes off as people and is blind to the negative sides of the drug. Often times i hear "oh, that's what the goverment wants you to believe" and "Weed has no negative effects, it the perfect drug".
It's really hard to take those people seriously.
There have been countless researches that have proven that teens that smoke have a lower IQ then non cannabis smokers. Thats because it interfers with the brains development. I've tried the drug but didn't like it because it made me lazy and unproductive. I dont think that those conditions are what makes a world evolve.
alcohol destroys lives and makes people lazy, is that alcohols fault or the person who drinks too much? And from what I've read there are many strands of Marijuana, some that expands your creativity and depth of thought and some that makes you hungry and silly. If you want to abuse the hungry and silly drug to the extend that it ruins your life, then you're an idiot. Simple as that.
And IQ have been proven to be a subpar way of measuring intelligence. Sorta like BMI is with weight.
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On September 02 2012 12:35 JacobShock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 12:27 TheSwedishFan wrote:
I don't know how it is in the US. But here in Sweden it wouldn't make any sense to legalize. It's a drug that acts as a gateway drug and makes you a lazy loser that doesn't contribute to the society. Well that's that the goverment tells you. I've watched the documentary and it very much pro cannabis so i would recommend everyone to take it with a spoon of salt. Matter of fact is that pro cannabis people almost always comes off as people and is blind to the negative sides of the drug. Often times i hear "oh, that's what the goverment wants you to believe" and "Weed has no negative effects, it the perfect drug".
It's really hard to take those people seriously.
There have been countless researches that have proven that teens that smoke have a lower IQ then non cannabis smokers. Thats because it interfers with the brains development. I've tried the drug but didn't like it because it made me lazy and unproductive. I dont think that those conditions are what makes a world evolve. alcohol destroys lives and makes people lazy, is that alcohols fault or the person who drinks too much? And from what I've read there are many strands of Marijuana, some that expands your creativity and depth of thought and some that makes you hungry and silly. If you want to abuse the hungry and silly drug to the extend that it ruins your life, then you're an idiot. Simple as that. And IQ have been proven to be a subpar way of measuring intelligence. Sorta like BMI is with weight.
IQ is a horrible means of measuring a person's intelligence with small differences. The difference between a 90 and a 120 is very apparent, but a 90 and 95 has a reasonable level of possible error.
(This is at least to my knowledge, and if someone has a lot more in depth understanding to disprove me, by all means do so)
Also, in terms of making people, "dumb," or, "lazy," I'll remind everyone that no stereotype applies to everyone. On one hand, we have stupid assholes posting pictures of themselves with a joint on Facebook. On the other hand, we have Carl Sagan.
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Weed is pretty tame. Of course it should be legal...
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Definitely. I think most other drugs should be legalized too, along with lowering drinking age to 19ish.
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I don't think anything that causes lung cancer should be legal.
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On September 02 2012 12:46 naggerNZ wrote:
I don't think anything that causes lung cancer should be legal.
You want to ban tobacco products?
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On September 02 2012 12:46 naggerNZ wrote:
I don't think anything that causes lung cancer should be legal.
this guy never heard of a vaporizer or edibles
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On September 02 2012 12:35 JacobShock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 12:27 TheSwedishFan wrote:
I don't know how it is in the US. But here in Sweden it wouldn't make any sense to legalize. It's a drug that acts as a gateway drug and makes you a lazy loser that doesn't contribute to the society. Well that's that the goverment tells you. I've watched the documentary and it very much pro cannabis so i would recommend everyone to take it with a spoon of salt. Matter of fact is that pro cannabis people almost always comes off as people and is blind to the negative sides of the drug. Often times i hear "oh, that's what the goverment wants you to believe" and "Weed has no negative effects, it the perfect drug".
It's really hard to take those people seriously.
There have been countless researches that have proven that teens that smoke have a lower IQ then non cannabis smokers. Thats because it interfers with the brains development. I've tried the drug but didn't like it because it made me lazy and unproductive. I dont think that those conditions are what makes a world evolve. alcohol destroys lives and makes people lazy, is that alcohols fault or the person who drinks too much? And from what I've read there are many strands of Marijuana, some that expands your creativity and depth of thought and some that makes you hungry and silly. If you want to abuse the hungry and silly drug to the extend that it ruins your life, then you're an idiot. Simple as that. And IQ have been proven to be a subpar way of measuring intelligence. Sorta like BMI is with weight.
No offence, but this is what i mean when i say that people are blind to the negative sides of cannabis. They always bring up alcohol, just leave it out of the argument. If alcohol would be a new thing it would never be legal. It's just that it's so tied with our culture that we cant get rid without a war almost. Do we really need to have another drug that will do no good? Answer is of course: No, we dont.
Well numbers dont lie so you cant say that smoking cannabis at a yearly age doesn't affect you. And lower numbers in this case is not very good.
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I personally think that weed should be legalized. I do not smoke weed nor do I have friends who do. I think it should be taxed and (I say this with only personal experiences) I believe that when something becomes legal (21 for alcohol), consumption drops a shit ton. I've seen people in high school/early college spend thousands of dollars over the course of 4-5 years buying alcohol then when it all of a sudden turns legal, they stop because it's not cool anymore and it's just downright expensive.
Legalize it. Tax the shit out of it. Benefit.
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On September 02 2012 12:53 TheSwedishFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 12:35 JacobShock wrote:On September 02 2012 12:27 TheSwedishFan wrote:
I don't know how it is in the US. But here in Sweden it wouldn't make any sense to legalize. It's a drug that acts as a gateway drug and makes you a lazy loser that doesn't contribute to the society. Well that's that the goverment tells you. I've watched the documentary and it very much pro cannabis so i would recommend everyone to take it with a spoon of salt. Matter of fact is that pro cannabis people almost always comes off as people and is blind to the negative sides of the drug. Often times i hear "oh, that's what the goverment wants you to believe" and "Weed has no negative effects, it the perfect drug".
It's really hard to take those people seriously.
There have been countless researches that have proven that teens that smoke have a lower IQ then non cannabis smokers. Thats because it interfers with the brains development. I've tried the drug but didn't like it because it made me lazy and unproductive. I dont think that those conditions are what makes a world evolve. alcohol destroys lives and makes people lazy, is that alcohols fault or the person who drinks too much? And from what I've read there are many strands of Marijuana, some that expands your creativity and depth of thought and some that makes you hungry and silly. If you want to abuse the hungry and silly drug to the extend that it ruins your life, then you're an idiot. Simple as that. And IQ have been proven to be a subpar way of measuring intelligence. Sorta like BMI is with weight. No offence, but this is what i mean when i say that people are blind to the negative sides of cannabis. They always bring up alcohol, just leave it out of the argument. If alcohol would be a new thing it would never be legal. It's just that it's so tied with our culture that we cant get rid without a war almost. Do we really need to have another drug that will do no good? Answer is of course: No, we dont. Well numbers dont lie so you cant say that smoking cannabis at a yearly age doesn't affect you. And lower numbers in this case is not very good.
Maybe in Sweden people don't smoke weed, but America they ARE fighting a figurative war (albeit with real guns) on marijuana and it's still not going anywhere and is still socially acceptable by a large portion of the population.
EDIT: Alcohol is a bit of an unfair comparison perhaps because it is one of the most destructive drugs, but how about comparing marijuana to another drugs that's 1000x more dangerous, like Tylenol? I mean you don't even need a prescription to buy it! You don't even need to be 18 to buy it! And it is easy to obtain a lethally toxic amount of it!
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Hmm, I'm a bit uncertain, but I'd be a hypocrite if I said no seeing how I drink more than a fratboy.
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