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On September 02 2012 11:20 Noro wrote:
Absolutely not. There's no reason behind this. And it is dangerous. Weed is and will always be a gateway drug. My friend recently died from drug use.. and where did it start? One day in highschool smoking weed.
Legalizing it would mean "controlling" it. And if anyone thinks this would get rid of illegal sales of weed, you're very mistaken. There will always be underground illegal operations. It would be the biggest mistake ever to legalize it.
Please take a look at the documentary before talking about the reasons behind your friends death. It has no reason to be a gateway drug other than the people selling the drugs are also selling harder drugs like cocaine. Legalizing it would mean the people selling marijuana at a much cheaper price (because marijuana is currently EXTREMELY over priced for the amount of work put in) and would not also be pedaling cocaine or something similar
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On September 02 2012 11:20 Noro wrote:
Absolutely not. There's no reason behind this. And it is dangerous. Weed is and will always be a gateway drug. My friend recently died from drug use.. and where did it start? One day in highschool smoking weed.
Legalizing it would mean "controlling" it. And if anyone thinks this would get rid of illegal sales of weed, you're very mistaken. There will always be underground illegal operations. It would be the biggest mistake ever to legalize it.
Because they don't have to already "control" it right? I hate the whole gateway drug being an argument because in the end its all up to the psychological mindset of the user and the environment. A gateway drug can simply just be anyone's first drug in other words.
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On September 02 2012 11:22 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 11:20 Noro wrote:
Absolutely not. There's no reason behind this. And it is dangerous. Weed is and will always be a gateway drug. My friend recently died from drug use.. and where did it start? One day in highschool smoking weed.
Legalizing it would mean "controlling" it. And if anyone thinks this would get rid of illegal sales of weed, you're very mistaken. There will always be underground illegal operations. It would be the biggest mistake ever to legalize it. You sure he didn't have any problems in his life?
My cousin died at age 30 from drug overdose. He too started on weed and worked his way up. I can honestly say most of the troubles in his life were caused by drugs, fighting for them, stealing money to buy them etc. It's a horrible lifestye nobody should have to live.
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On September 02 2012 11:20 Noro wrote:
Absolutely not. There's no reason behind this. And it is dangerous. Weed is and will always be a gateway drug. My friend recently died from drug use.. and where did it start? One day in highschool smoking weed.
Legalizing it would mean "controlling" it. And if anyone thinks this would get rid of illegal sales of weed, you're very mistaken. There will always be underground illegal operations. It would be the biggest mistake ever to legalize it.
Weed is only the gateway drug to shrooms and acid.
Alcohol is the gateway drug to the bad shit like coke and meth and ecstacy rofl
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On September 02 2012 11:25 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 11:22 Roe wrote:On September 02 2012 11:20 Noro wrote:
Absolutely not. There's no reason behind this. And it is dangerous. Weed is and will always be a gateway drug. My friend recently died from drug use.. and where did it start? One day in highschool smoking weed.
Legalizing it would mean "controlling" it. And if anyone thinks this would get rid of illegal sales of weed, you're very mistaken. There will always be underground illegal operations. It would be the biggest mistake ever to legalize it. You sure he didn't have any problems in his life? My cousin died at age 30 from drug overdose. He too started on weed and worked his way up. I can honestly say most of the troubles in his life were caused by drugs, fighting for them, stealing money to buy them etc. It's a horrible lifestye nobody should have to live.
The key point here is that legality didn't stand in his way. I'm sure everything he did was illegal and it didn't matter at all. If this all started in highschool, which I'm assuming it did, it was at a time where finding weed was easier than finding alcohol. Ask anyone who smoked weed and drank in high school and they will tell you that weed is easier to get than alcohol.
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weed is for pussies. Real men like me inject crack right into their eyeballs!
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It's not even a question that weed should be legalized in the United States, with appropriate taxes to take care of the externalities. Keeping weed illegal is one of the most inhumane, ill-guided policies the US has held for the last thirty years. And I'm even including wars here.
A pity that the opponents are, by and large, well-intentioned. If willfully silent on the subject of alcohol or cigarettes.
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These threads are almost as common as circumcision threads
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On September 02 2012 11:30 sjperera wrote:Here's a few articles that I ran across on weed... I personnally don't take any form of drugs, alcohol or smoking and have always been told that weed is safe and healthier than most stuff by weed advocates... here's a couple of studies that go against the grain... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18283689and the more recent study on it' impact on IQ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19413111
Negative impacts are not grounds for legal restrictions. Legal restrictions do not inhibit ability to acquire. Any argument in favor of legal restrictions for the sake of inhibiting ability to purchase are not valid, as the premise isn't sound.
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On September 02 2012 11:25 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 11:22 Roe wrote:On September 02 2012 11:20 Noro wrote:
Absolutely not. There's no reason behind this. And it is dangerous. Weed is and will always be a gateway drug. My friend recently died from drug use.. and where did it start? One day in highschool smoking weed.
Legalizing it would mean "controlling" it. And if anyone thinks this would get rid of illegal sales of weed, you're very mistaken. There will always be underground illegal operations. It would be the biggest mistake ever to legalize it. You sure he didn't have any problems in his life? My cousin died at age 30 from drug overdose. He too started on weed and worked his way up. I can honestly say most of the troubles in his life were caused by drugs, fighting for them, stealing money to buy them etc. It's a horrible lifestye nobody should have to live.
Again, you sure he didn't have any problems in his life, underlying his drug dependence?
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Legalized in a way where you can only buy it at pharmacies. Should definitely be decriminalized. Just for reference, I'm 20 and haven't smoked for 5 years.
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On September 02 2012 11:31 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
These threads are almost as common as circumcision threads
If you could smoke weed while getting a chop then maybe the whole thing would be more fun and wouldn't hurt so bad in the weeks after.
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At the VERY least, it should be decriminalized.
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On September 02 2012 11:18 Luepert wrote:What about the drugs that cause people to eat other people's faces and such?
Harsh drugs like that won be around if simple stuff like weed were allowed. The only reason people do stupid shit like that is because they think its cool being the fact that everything is illegal.
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On September 02 2012 11:32 Mohdoo wrote:Negative impacts are not grounds for legal restrictions. Legal restrictions do not inhibit ability to acquire. Any argument in favor of legal restrictions for the sake of inhibiting ability to purchase are not valid, as the premise isn't sound.
If that were the case, we'd all be banning shitty pop singers like ... well almost every single pop artist in the last 10 years. Fuck the ban, "you a stupid hoe, you'a you'a stupid hoe" deserves death.
ONTOPIC:
Rich old people and ignorant kids of said people (or parents who listen to those said people) will always have a stick in their ass about pot, believe in magical beings who control everything and shoot shit out there ass about how moral ust they are and that they believe in "freedom" and the things that are legal but anything illegal = bad and there is no argument against it, it's best to just smoke it and move along with your day.
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On September 02 2012 11:33 Roe wrote:
Again, you sure he didn't have any problems in his life, underlying his drug dependence?
An anecdote does not make an argument.
I know plenty of people killed or ruined by alcohol, yet almost everyone would agree that banning alcohol from the general populace would be a ridiculous idea, rather than taxing and restricting it.
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Prohibition never works. Legalize it.
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Of course it should.
It's a natural plant that has few negatives effects and lots of positive. Alcohol, cigarettes and many legal pills are way more dangerous for the health and are availabe to almost anybody.
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On September 02 2012 11:16 Mondieu wrote:
Well what exactly are the benefits of legalizing weeds ? Is our society really missing out on something like this? Do you really feel like if we legalize weed just because ''it's fun'' it would help our human race? People are already pretty stupid and lazy. Legalize that shit and instead of doing something more productive they would just ''relax''.
I really don't care about the subject since people are free to do what they want, but legalizing it would be just senseless imho.
edit: TL isn't the proper place to discuss this imo, since many people are biased :D
The benefits of legalizing marijuana are almost endless. There are 3 main categories of uses for the marijuana plant and it's byproducts.
1)Recreational. I personally see no reason why marijuana shouldn't be legal recreational the same way alcohol is.
Weed is safer for your body. Safer to those people around you. Still should be illegal to drive under influence etc.
2) Medical. There are more medical benefits than you can count on 2 hands. Almost every major medical association says that research into medicinal marijuana should be done.
3) Industrial. The marijuanna plant has many industrial uses as well. I'm not quite as versed in these but I know their out there. Paper, clothes(textiles), cooking oil, other oils, paints, food products, etc
The only reason marijuana is not legal is political reasons. First it was the paper companies who were afraid of the competition from a 3-4 month crop that can grow anywhere. Then it was the propaganda, misunderstanding and fear that was created circa 40's and 50's. If people were to actually look at it completely logically and with an open mind, there is no way it wouldn't be classified similar to tobacco and alcohol.
The bottom line is that this is not a priority. The only way I see this becoming a priority right now is if 1)Obama wins and 2) he starts looking for ANY option to build the economy. Marijuana could be a much larger industry than it is now. The government already pays some farmers to grow this crop. But as many others will say there is an incredible tax revenue potential. It's just not a priority, most people in the USA are not interested in becoming educated, so this will not happen in the next decade IMO.
http://norml.org/ This is a great resource for anyone who is interested in actually learning.
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