On September 22 2012 07:04 rogzardo wrote:
Best post yet, and this thread has had a lot of competition.
Best post yet, and this thread has had a lot of competition.
Yep, its like saying violence in the US is only because guns are legalized
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On September 22 2012 07:04 rogzardo wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2012 00:56 Kaitlin wrote: On September 21 2012 13:37 Zerg.Zilla wrote: On September 21 2012 10:07 GettingIt wrote: My economics professor said it should be legalized because it would eliminate a lot of crime. Your economics professor is a wise man... Should rape, burglary, and murder be legalized too, since the result would be to eliminate a lot of crime ? Best post yet, and this thread has had a lot of competition. Yep, its like saying violence in the US is only because guns are legalized | ||
anycolourfloyd
Australia524 Posts
what happens if the government decides hmmm, people these days spend too much time playing video games - time to lay down the banhammer. or maybe people eat too much cake, certaintly a lot of first world countries have obesity issues - banhammer cake. people are gonna get pretty fucking cut over that. the simple fact of life is that you can't protect people from themselves. law enforcement agencies need to spend more time protecting people from OTHER people. | ||
urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On September 21 2012 17:16 StayPhrosty wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2012 14:17 urashimakt wrote: On September 21 2012 13:21 Grumbels wrote: On September 21 2012 13:16 b0mBerMan wrote: On September 21 2012 09:48 rogzardo wrote: 1 - Total deaths from Cannabis overdose: 0 2 - Total deaths caused from alcohol, tobacco, and prescription drugs: hundreds of thousands per year. 3 - Marijuana's current status as illegal does not prevent anyone from smoking it who cares to. Depending on what poll you look at, 40-60 percent of the US population under the age of 21 has smoked at least once, and about 10-15 percent smoke regularly. A recent study that has been thrown around this thread (by people opposed to legalization) states that 7% of high school seniors smoke weed every day.We've all heard anecdotal evidence that high school age children often have a harder time acquiring beer than marijuana. 4 - Hundreds of thousands of Americans suffer from disease for which marijuana can provide some relief, but are denied access. 5 - Marijuana laws typically prosecute marijuana users on a similar level to users of cocaine, heroin, and meth. Sources? 6 - Many professionals are marijuana users. The stereotype of a lazy fuck-up exists for smokers and non-smokers alike. Some notable smokers include Bill Gates, Rick Steves, Pablo Picasso, Steve Jobs, Carl Sagan, Stephen Jay Gould, Francis Crick, Andrew Weil, Kary Mullis, Oliver Sacks, Richard Feynman, and the list goes on and on if you care to look. So are the regular homeless wrecked Johns and Janes who live by the city's dirt and filth. Status of users are not direct evidence for or against legalization of marijuana. 8 - Studies have shown that marijuana use does not negatively impact your brain, but it is a moot point when discussing legality. Alcohol is 100% proven to damage your brain, liver, and many other systems in your body, and yet it remains legal. Cannabis' negative physical side effects are at the worst controversial, and at best hardly existent. This is not a basis for prohibition. Sources? Sources? Go read the thread. I've read all the posts so far and I've seen at least half a dozen reboots where the same claims were questioned and the same sources were given. If he's going to make a post containing only a list of statements and say "discuss", he should source it. You don't source it by saying "it's here somewhere, go find it". That's not a useful discussion. Some of those points are not here somewhere. I've read the thread. Some of them might be in videos that are over two hours long. Statements like "total deaths from Cannabis overdose: 0" aren't even within reason. A study to prove that is impossible. Something like "0 of 10,000 marijuana smokers in a study died of an overdose, leading scientists to believe it is impossible to overdose on Cannabis" would be more reasonable. go find a person who has died from cannabis use alone. do it. seriously. this statistic is thrown arown literally EVERYWHERE and people still think they can dispute it. http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mjfaq1.htm read this. please. Yes, it is "technically" possible to overdose on THC, but in order to do so you would have to use a concentrated dose directly injected into the body. People smoke weed, not inject it. In order to OD from smoking weed you would need to smoke 40 000 times the amount normally required to get you high. yes. FOURTY THOUSAND TIMES AS MUCH. you cant actually do that man, you would suffocate first, or your body would metabolize the thc faster than you could smoke it. also, the whole purpose of legalization of drugs is not to let them run rampant, but rather to have people use them safely. if you're not hiding from the law you can get accurate information publicly. this information will be available because many of these illegal drugs will be legal and therefore can be researched to a MUCH further extent than is currently allowed. as well, the use can be restricted to responsible adults, and those with patterns of abuse can have support systems, rather than being thrown in jail. honestly, please tell me specifically which of rogzardos points you think are wrong. because honestly there is even more to support legalization than just what he said. I'm confused. Your response to my post appears to be replying to someone who said overdosing on marijuana is possible and that marijuana should remain illegal. The post you are replying to says making a list of "facts", some of which are not capable of being proven with the scientific method, with absolutely no sourcing and saying "discuss" is not useful. | ||
rogzardo
610 Posts
On September 22 2012 07:22 D10 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2012 07:04 rogzardo wrote: On September 22 2012 00:56 Kaitlin wrote: On September 21 2012 13:37 Zerg.Zilla wrote: On September 21 2012 10:07 GettingIt wrote: My economics professor said it should be legalized because it would eliminate a lot of crime. Your economics professor is a wise man... Should rape, burglary, and murder be legalized too, since the result would be to eliminate a lot of crime ? Best post yet, and this thread has had a lot of competition. Yep, its like saying violence in the US is only because guns are legalized No. He said that smoking weed is equally harmful as rape, burglary, and murder. That's why he wins. | ||
Thrill
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On September 22 2012 08:52 rogzardo wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2012 07:22 D10 wrote: On September 22 2012 07:04 rogzardo wrote: On September 22 2012 00:56 Kaitlin wrote: On September 21 2012 13:37 Zerg.Zilla wrote: On September 21 2012 10:07 GettingIt wrote: My economics professor said it should be legalized because it would eliminate a lot of crime. Your economics professor is a wise man... Should rape, burglary, and murder be legalized too, since the result would be to eliminate a lot of crime ? Best post yet, and this thread has had a lot of competition. Yep, its like saying violence in the US is only because guns are legalized No. He said that smoking weed is equally harmful as rape, burglary, and murder. That's why he wins. Comparing weed... To rape... Burglary... Murder... I think you need to get that checked out if you think they're similar enough to compare | ||
samuraibael
Australia294 Posts
On September 22 2012 07:04 rogzardo wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2012 00:56 Kaitlin wrote: On September 21 2012 13:37 Zerg.Zilla wrote: On September 21 2012 10:07 GettingIt wrote: My economics professor said it should be legalized because it would eliminate a lot of crime. Your economics professor is a wise man... Should rape, burglary, and murder be legalized too, since the result would be to eliminate a lot of crime ? Best post yet, and this thread has had a lot of competition. Do you mean best as in worst? Drugs being illegal creates an opportunity for organised crime to profit. Which also leads to things like political corruption. Have a look at what happened with alcohol during prohibition. If drugs were legalised these organisations would lose their primary revenue source. So which industries are being financed from the illegality of rapes burglaries and murders? | ||
rogzardo
610 Posts
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Zoesan
Switzerland141 Posts
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
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TheSwedishFan
Sweden608 Posts
So short answer: NO! | ||
turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On September 22 2012 00:56 Kaitlin wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2012 13:37 Zerg.Zilla wrote: On September 21 2012 10:07 GettingIt wrote: My economics professor said it should be legalized because it would eliminate a lot of crime. Your economics professor is a wise man... Should rape, burglary, and murder be legalized too, since the result would be to eliminate a lot of crime ? are you actually serious? legalising weed would reduce crime because illigal activities of any kind lead to it being harder to get a job, harder to live a "normal" life etc. they drive people to commit other crimes. no one is saying 1000 people were arrested for owning weed, if we made weed legal there would be 1000 less crimes! people are citing the fact that driving people in to a criminal underworld for a very minor offence which by almost all metrics is only illegal for its own sake forces otherwise good people into a shitty situation. i honestly didnt think this was a confusing idea. On September 22 2012 08:56 Thrill wrote: No. such a wordsmith | ||
ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On September 22 2012 13:01 TheSwedishFan wrote: Weed is bad, makes you stupid, addictive, smells horrible, causes cancer and leads to heavier drugs. So short answer: NO! Alcohol makes people stupid, yet is perfectly legal. Weed is not chemically addictive but can lead to an "addictive" lifestyle. It is addictive like video games are addictive, not like cigarettes are addictive. You think it smells horrible, but some people like the smell. And unless you're living with a stoner, I don't really see how this would impact you. It only causes cancer if you smoke it, eating or vaporizing your pot has few (if any) adverse health effects. Even if you are smoking it, it still lacks all the chemicals you would find in a typical cigarette, which is legal. Pot only leads to heavier drugs for people who would end up at those heavy drugs anyways. I've smoked on and off since high school, through college, and after graduating, and have never had the urge to do anything "heavier" like coke, heroin, etc. Just because your dealer sells that nasty shit doesn't mean you have to do it. Anyone who blames theirs or anyone else's hard drug use on their introduction to marijuana is kidding themselves and refusing to admit the truth, they are running away from life. Are there lazy stoners? Sure. But I'm pretty sure they'd be lazy without the hallucinogenic support. | ||
sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On September 22 2012 13:01 TheSwedishFan wrote: Weed is bad, makes you stupid, addictive, smells horrible, causes cancer and leads to heavier drugs. So short answer: NO! Actually, it cures cancer and also prevents and attacks the spreading of cancer. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular Look stuff up before you post such nonsense. | ||
sevencck
Canada698 Posts
On September 22 2012 00:56 Kaitlin wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2012 13:37 Zerg.Zilla wrote: On September 21 2012 10:07 GettingIt wrote: My economics professor said it should be legalized because it would eliminate a lot of crime. Your economics professor is a wise man... Should rape, burglary, and murder be legalized too, since the result would be to eliminate a lot of crime ? Unless you're offering circular reasoning that marijuana use is immoral because it's a crime, the criminality being referenced is secondary to the act of using the drug itself. Gangs aren't shooting each other to control the Viagra trade. The criminality of rape, burglary, and murder are inherent in the acts themselves, not in violence to control their respective markets. | ||
sevencck
Canada698 Posts
On September 22 2012 13:22 ZasZ. wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2012 13:01 TheSwedishFan wrote: Weed is bad, makes you stupid, addictive, smells horrible, causes cancer and leads to heavier drugs. So short answer: NO! Alcohol makes people stupid, yet is perfectly legal. Mozart and Beethoven were both alcoholics. Edit: Sorry for unnecessary double post. | ||
N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
On September 22 2012 13:01 TheSwedishFan wrote: Weed is bad, makes you stupid, addictive, smells horrible, causes cancer and leads to heavier drugs. So short answer: NO! weed is great, makes you smarter, isnt additive (anymore so than food is), smells AMAZING, cures cancer and makes people hate stupid drugs that fuck you over and aren't weed. | ||
frantic.cactus
New Zealand164 Posts
Will be legal one day when the stupid people in office die and the new generation gets to fixing their mess. | ||
frantic.cactus
New Zealand164 Posts
On September 22 2012 13:01 TheSwedishFan wrote: Weed is bad, makes you stupid, addictive, smells horrible, causes cancer and leads to heavier drugs. So short answer: NO! Thats just .... like... your opinion man. double post while high | ||
NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On September 22 2012 13:55 frantic.cactus wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2012 13:01 TheSwedishFan wrote: Weed is bad, makes you stupid, addictive, smells horrible, causes cancer and leads to heavier drugs. So short answer: NO! Thats just .... like... your opinion man. double post while high It does not cause cancer, it is less addictive than coffee, doesn't have any effect on the IQ of a person and the only gateway effect is through the black market effect not the drug... Alcohol has addictive properties (more addictive than marijuana) I don't go "I really need a fix of heroine" after taking a shot so why should this drug be any different than that drug. The only case you can make is to the smell but that is subjective, I think body odor smells awful but I'm not about to ban most of the over weight people who don't use deodorant from walking around. Oh and the cancer one again.. Please don't be such an idiot and actually look up what you talk about. The only rumor was towards testicular cancer and that has... less than proven data circulating in that field. Marijuana is used to actively slow cancer and in a lot of cases act as a curing agent to help shrink tumors. | ||
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