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N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 00:47:21
September 21 2012 00:44 GMT
#1241


There ya go.

Do your own research please.

Oh, and just for fun, I'll leave this here too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
September 21 2012 00:47 GMT
#1242
Just to the argument that weed dealers will be competing with the government if weed gets legalized. That is not really true, the price you pay for your weed gets largely calculated via 2 factors: Risk and the amounts of hands it already got through till you as consument buys it. If you buy street weed it often went to 5 or even 6 hands.

If the government taxes it halfway rationally, most of the black market will be eliminated. The margins will get smaller because you have to compete with the government's prices and the risk stays the same. For most people it just won't be worth the risk anymore.
rogzardo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
610 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 00:50:03
September 21 2012 00:48 GMT
#1243
1 - Total deaths from Cannabis overdose: 0

2 - Total deaths caused from alcohol, tobacco, and prescription drugs: hundreds of thousands per year.

3 - Marijuana's current status as illegal does not prevent anyone from smoking it who cares to. Depending on what poll you look at, 40-60 percent of the US population under the age of 21 has smoked at least once, and about 10-15 percent smoke regularly. A recent study that has been thrown around this thread (by people opposed to legalization) states that 7% of high school seniors smoke weed every day.We've all heard anecdotal evidence that high school age children often have a harder time acquiring beer than marijuana.

4 - Hundreds of thousands of Americans suffer from disease for which marijuana can provide some relief, but are denied access.

5 - Marijuana laws typically prosecute marijuana users on a similar level to users of cocaine, heroin, and meth.

6 - Many professionals are marijuana users. The stereotype of a lazy fuck-up exists for smokers and non-smokers alike. Some notable smokers include Bill Gates, Rick Steves, Pablo Picasso, Steve Jobs, Carl Sagan, Stephen Jay Gould, Francis Crick, Andrew Weil, Kary Mullis, Oliver Sacks, Richard Feynman, and the list goes on and on if you care to look.

7 - If marijuana was legalized, the gateway drug argument would be rendered moot. It would separate its black market dealings from other drugs such as heroin and cocaine. It would be controlled and regulated, and would not lead to harder drugs any more than alcohol or tobacco would.

8 - Studies have shown that marijuana use does not negatively impact your brain, but it is a moot point when discussing legality. Alcohol is 100% proven to damage your brain, liver, and many other systems in your body, and yet it remains legal. Cannabis' negative physical side effects are at the worst controversial, and at best hardly existent. This is not a basis for prohibition.

Please discuss.
calderon
Profile Joined December 2011
95 Posts
September 21 2012 00:49 GMT
#1244
On September 21 2012 09:43 Sickkiee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 09:38 N3rV[Green] wrote:
This thread is fucking sad. The misinformation being thrown around as fact makes me feel a little sick to my stomach that people seriously believe this trash.

WEED IS FUCKING AMAZING, NOBODY HAS DIED FROM SMOKING WEED IN HUMAN HISTORY.

Can people please do their own research using actual studies and real information? Not just spew out garbage that the media spreads?

I've smoked weed for around 5 years, people in my family have smoked weed for well over 30 years, one of which is a doctor who was the best and most loved doctor in the entire community.

I wanna test the waters real quick, who here still thinks "weed kills braincells"?

That test was conducted in this manner. Scientists paid by pharma companies attached gas masks to monkeys, and turned on the smoke. After a period long enough for the lack of oxygen to kill the monkey, they removed the masks and concluded that weed kills brain cells.

Seriously how fucking blind can people be? WE HAVE THE INTERNET. USE IT FOR FUCKS SAKE.


Got a source for that 'experiment'?

Also I see a lot of 'weed is good rarara' statements - but other than saving money and the decriminalization of it (is what should happen, not merely make it legal).

What else are the positive side effects?


First off, saving money is a huge positive side effect. If prohibition of marijuana was shown to be effective, maybe there would be an argument (however flimsy) to continue it. But when its shown it hasn't been effective in curbing marijuana use, whats the benefit of keeping it illegal? I flip the question for you.

Obviously the use for pain relief is a huge positive.

Also, people have been seeking mind altering substances since basically the beginning of human history. Its called the "4th drive" by some. A lot of the population seeks these substances. Surely having a comparatively unharmful drug available can not be a bad thing, maybe it will reduce the usage of other substances (alcohol). Also people have been shown to be more creative and even IQ scores for verbal tests have increased while directly under the influence. The legalisation debate should also be extended to LSD but thats another issue I guess.
rogzardo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
610 Posts
September 21 2012 00:56 GMT
#1245
On September 21 2012 09:01 Goozen wrote:
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On September 21 2012 09:00 NeMeSiS3 wrote:

On September 21 2012 08:32 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Of course people that smoke weed will Want it legalized lol. Weed is the door to other drugs whether people like to think so or not, it stinks, it's bad for you, and it will lead to more deaths if legalized. But as long as people don't smoke it in my face or close to me like fucking cigs then I don't care at all.

And ffs the people who say they want to take more control away from the government are being a little ridiculous. The government can be downright retarded at times but the average person is pretty fucking retarded aswell so the government having control over the population is required


I think you need to go research how the black market operates on illegal drugs vs the legal market on drugs. The only "stairway or door to other drugs"is through the illegal dealer, you don't go buy liquor and say "man... I really gotta get a bigger fix" even though alcohol is more addictive and has more adverse effects.

Also lead to more deaths? Do you mean the first ever death? No one has ever died from the consumption of marijuana.

Bad for you? Other then speculations from countries stating it may double the chance of schizophrenia

There is some evidence that cannabis use can contribute to schizophrenia. Some studies suggest that cannabis is neither a sufficient nor necessary factor in developing schizophrenia, but that cannabis may significantly increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and may be, among other things, a significant causal factor. Nevertheless, some previous research in this area has been criticised as it has often not been clear whether cannabis use is a cause or effect of schizophrenia. To address this issue, a recent review of studies from which a causal contribution to schizophrenia can be assessed has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, assuming a causal relationship, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population.[94]
An older longitudinal study, published in 1987, suggested a sixfold increase of schizophrenia risks for high consumers of cannabis (use on more than fifty occasions) in Sweden.[95]
Despite increases in cannabis consumption in the 1960s and 1970s in western society, rates of psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia remained relatively stable over time.[96][97][98] Also, Sweden and Japan, where self-reported marijuana use is very low, do not have lower rates of psychosis than the U.S. and Canada do.[99] Thus, there remains controversy over whether or not the apparent association between cannabis and schizophrenia is a causal relationship.


but frankly there is no substantial proof through data (as shown near the bottom). So where is the harm? Where is the danger? It doesn't do anything...





However if you want the government to approve it as legal it needs to be considerd safe therefor more research must be done.


Please read the sentence in bold again. Think about it for a minute. Think about the world you live in. Now please take it back.


GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
September 21 2012 01:07 GMT
#1246
My economics professor said it should be legalized because it would eliminate a lot of crime.
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
September 21 2012 01:24 GMT
#1247
On September 21 2012 08:26 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 08:20 TheFish7 wrote:
On September 21 2012 05:09 Nihilnovi wrote:
On September 08 2012 06:29 Rassy wrote:
is coke realy 200-400/gram in china?

Of course your iq drops from smoking weed,it realy does not make one smarter.
Though we have such a huge surplus in brain capacity that this should not realy have a major impact on most people.
People who are extremely intelligent and who have a verry high level of consiousness will notice it though.
Everytime you smoke weed your level of consiousness drops a tiny bit to never return.


Ive smoked pot all my life, Im blazing fast in anything regarding math and heavy logic and Im a CIO(Chief Information Officer), a position filled with heavy duty logic, analysis, staff handling, programming and cutting edge technology.

I have no idea who told you those things, but you have them to thank for your terrible misguidance, I know my parents and people around me have similar thoughts and opinions, and all of them come from the news or cultural believes running in the family, not facts.


I would like to second this. I have been smoking pot, except for the 5 months I spent in China, for 7 years now. I got a job not too long ago as a Financial Analyst at a Fortune 500 company. (I had to lay off for a few weeks to pass the drug test, no side effects at all.) I'm faster than almost everyone else in the Finance department running pivot tables, spreadsheets, etc. I might be a weed user, but imo thats much better than being a caffeine and/or tobacco user, which most of my co-workers are. Yet, I arrive to work before most of them and am able to stay alert throughout the day more easily. Despite this, the company drug tests for weed, but doesn't care about caffeine or tobacco. Its a double standard and its time for it to stop.


You work for them, play by their rules. You obviously were aware of the drug testing before you started, so quit your whining. If you want a work environment that allows you to smoke weed, find a different employer.


I don't smoke at work...
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rogzardo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
610 Posts
September 21 2012 01:29 GMT
#1248
Don't worry, Kaitlin hates anybody who isn't as unhappy as he is.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
September 21 2012 01:32 GMT
#1249
On September 02 2012 11:17 Coriolis wrote:
Tbh I think people are too fucking stupid to handle drugs of pretty much any kind. Unfortunately once it becomes legal making something illegal doesn't do any good (ex: prohibition), and sure plenty of people can smoke it illegally but they at least have to go through some effort.

But I'm in the minority and all the arguments favor legal weed (tax money, government shouldn't control what people do, etc) but I still think the majority is too stupid to handle weed. Hell they can't even handle alcohol.


What went so wrong with prohibition?

I mean... other than smuggling.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 01:41:04
September 21 2012 01:39 GMT
#1250
On September 21 2012 10:24 TheFish7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 08:26 Kaitlin wrote:
On September 21 2012 08:20 TheFish7 wrote:
On September 21 2012 05:09 Nihilnovi wrote:
On September 08 2012 06:29 Rassy wrote:
is coke realy 200-400/gram in china?

Of course your iq drops from smoking weed,it realy does not make one smarter.
Though we have such a huge surplus in brain capacity that this should not realy have a major impact on most people.
People who are extremely intelligent and who have a verry high level of consiousness will notice it though.
Everytime you smoke weed your level of consiousness drops a tiny bit to never return.


Ive smoked pot all my life, Im blazing fast in anything regarding math and heavy logic and Im a CIO(Chief Information Officer), a position filled with heavy duty logic, analysis, staff handling, programming and cutting edge technology.

I have no idea who told you those things, but you have them to thank for your terrible misguidance, I know my parents and people around me have similar thoughts and opinions, and all of them come from the news or cultural believes running in the family, not facts.


I would like to second this. I have been smoking pot, except for the 5 months I spent in China, for 7 years now. I got a job not too long ago as a Financial Analyst at a Fortune 500 company. (I had to lay off for a few weeks to pass the drug test, no side effects at all.) I'm faster than almost everyone else in the Finance department running pivot tables, spreadsheets, etc. I might be a weed user, but imo thats much better than being a caffeine and/or tobacco user, which most of my co-workers are. Yet, I arrive to work before most of them and am able to stay alert throughout the day more easily. Despite this, the company drug tests for weed, but doesn't care about caffeine or tobacco. Its a double standard and its time for it to stop.


You work for them, play by their rules. You obviously were aware of the drug testing before you started, so quit your whining. If you want a work environment that allows you to smoke weed, find a different employer.


I don't smoke at work...

It reminds me of dress codes. My brother worked at a telemarket company and was forced to wear a suit to work. I debated this with my parents and they said "it's their company, they can set the rules". But of course, the point is that the rules are stupid. We can spend a majority of our waking hours at a job and I feel like it's important to have reasonable amounts of personal freedom. Whether it's choosing the music you listen to or what you're wearing, any sensible employer should be flexible to a degree. And if your workers want to smoke weed in their alone time, why on earth would you do drug tests? It's just a fascist impulse, along the lines of saying "if our employees are more miserable but we can increase profits by 0.1%, then where's the issue?". Corporations should have better sense than to do such things.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
b0mBerMan
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan271 Posts
September 21 2012 04:16 GMT
#1251
On September 21 2012 09:48 rogzardo wrote:
1 - Total deaths from Cannabis overdose: 0

2 - Total deaths caused from alcohol, tobacco, and prescription drugs: hundreds of thousands per year.

3 - Marijuana's current status as illegal does not prevent anyone from smoking it who cares to. Depending on what poll you look at, 40-60 percent of the US population under the age of 21 has smoked at least once, and about 10-15 percent smoke regularly. A recent study that has been thrown around this thread (by people opposed to legalization) states that 7% of high school seniors smoke weed every day.We've all heard anecdotal evidence that high school age children often have a harder time acquiring beer than marijuana.

4 - Hundreds of thousands of Americans suffer from disease for which marijuana can provide some relief, but are denied access.

5 - Marijuana laws typically prosecute marijuana users on a similar level to users of cocaine, heroin, and meth.

Sources?

6 - Many professionals are marijuana users. The stereotype of a lazy fuck-up exists for smokers and non-smokers alike. Some notable smokers include Bill Gates, Rick Steves, Pablo Picasso, Steve Jobs, Carl Sagan, Stephen Jay Gould, Francis Crick, Andrew Weil, Kary Mullis, Oliver Sacks, Richard Feynman, and the list goes on and on if you care to look.

So are the regular homeless wrecked Johns and Janes who live by the city's dirt and filth. Status of users are not direct evidence for or against legalization of marijuana.

8 - Studies have shown that marijuana use does not negatively impact your brain, but it is a moot point when discussing legality. Alcohol is 100% proven to damage your brain, liver, and many other systems in your body, and yet it remains legal. Cannabis' negative physical side effects are at the worst controversial, and at best hardly existent. This is not a basis for prohibition.

Sources?
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
September 21 2012 04:21 GMT
#1252
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

More evidence suggesting marijuana contains powerful anti-cancer active agents not found anywhere else.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
September 21 2012 04:21 GMT
#1253
On September 21 2012 13:16 b0mBerMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 09:48 rogzardo wrote:
1 - Total deaths from Cannabis overdose: 0

2 - Total deaths caused from alcohol, tobacco, and prescription drugs: hundreds of thousands per year.

3 - Marijuana's current status as illegal does not prevent anyone from smoking it who cares to. Depending on what poll you look at, 40-60 percent of the US population under the age of 21 has smoked at least once, and about 10-15 percent smoke regularly. A recent study that has been thrown around this thread (by people opposed to legalization) states that 7% of high school seniors smoke weed every day.We've all heard anecdotal evidence that high school age children often have a harder time acquiring beer than marijuana.

4 - Hundreds of thousands of Americans suffer from disease for which marijuana can provide some relief, but are denied access.

5 - Marijuana laws typically prosecute marijuana users on a similar level to users of cocaine, heroin, and meth.

Sources?

Show nested quote +
6 - Many professionals are marijuana users. The stereotype of a lazy fuck-up exists for smokers and non-smokers alike. Some notable smokers include Bill Gates, Rick Steves, Pablo Picasso, Steve Jobs, Carl Sagan, Stephen Jay Gould, Francis Crick, Andrew Weil, Kary Mullis, Oliver Sacks, Richard Feynman, and the list goes on and on if you care to look.

So are the regular homeless wrecked Johns and Janes who live by the city's dirt and filth. Status of users are not direct evidence for or against legalization of marijuana.

Show nested quote +
8 - Studies have shown that marijuana use does not negatively impact your brain, but it is a moot point when discussing legality. Alcohol is 100% proven to damage your brain, liver, and many other systems in your body, and yet it remains legal. Cannabis' negative physical side effects are at the worst controversial, and at best hardly existent. This is not a basis for prohibition.

Sources?

Sources? Go read the thread. I've read all the posts so far and I've seen at least half a dozen reboots where the same claims were questioned and the same sources were given.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 21 2012 04:25 GMT
#1254
On September 21 2012 09:47 AngryMag wrote:
Just to the argument that weed dealers will be competing with the government if weed gets legalized. That is not really true, the price you pay for your weed gets largely calculated via 2 factors: Risk and the amounts of hands it already got through till you as consument buys it. If you buy street weed it often went to 5 or even 6 hands.

If the government taxes it halfway rationally, most of the black market will be eliminated. The margins will get smaller because you have to compete with the government's prices and the risk stays the same. For most people it just won't be worth the risk anymore.


OR you can be safe from anyone to constantly supervising your action and won't get jailed for selling the substance. So I think that the dealers will eventually lower their prices. The government in turn have to compete with THEIR prices in pharmaceutical companies.

Now think about 1 gram weed for 5 dollars. Now that's a good price. But however, the government would probably ban any form of personal shops and have licences up to sale so they can take away the licences whenever they feel like it and thus monopolizing the market.

So dealers would still be a sort of 'illegal actvities' per se. They'll have to drop the prices to stay competitive though. This benefit the consumers the most.
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
September 21 2012 04:37 GMT
#1255
On September 21 2012 10:07 GettingIt wrote:
My economics professor said it should be legalized because it would eliminate a lot of crime.

Your economics professor is a wise man...
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N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
September 21 2012 04:53 GMT
#1256
I think people are forgetting something really fucking important.

We are talking about quite literally a WEED here people.

I can take 10 of the random seeds I have lying in my room, throw them outside, and water them everyday. I now have marijuana.

Who the fuck can tell me I can't grow a plant?
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
September 21 2012 05:13 GMT
#1257
On September 21 2012 13:25 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 09:47 AngryMag wrote:
Just to the argument that weed dealers will be competing with the government if weed gets legalized. That is not really true, the price you pay for your weed gets largely calculated via 2 factors: Risk and the amounts of hands it already got through till you as consument buys it. If you buy street weed it often went to 5 or even 6 hands.

If the government taxes it halfway rationally, most of the black market will be eliminated. The margins will get smaller because you have to compete with the government's prices and the risk stays the same. For most people it just won't be worth the risk anymore.


OR you can be safe from anyone to constantly supervising your action and won't get jailed for selling the substance. So I think that the dealers will eventually lower their prices. The government in turn have to compete with THEIR prices in pharmaceutical companies.

Now think about 1 gram weed for 5 dollars. Now that's a good price. But however, the government would probably ban any form of personal shops and have licences up to sale so they can take away the licences whenever they feel like it and thus monopolizing the market.

So dealers would still be a sort of 'illegal actvities' per se. They'll have to drop the prices to stay competitive though. This benefit the consumers the most.


This is true, but we both know, if the shit gets legalized the state will be the only one selling licenses and stuff to get them tax dollars rolling,prosecution of the "illegal" producers will stay the same. Oh and most dealers won't sell the product anymore if they have to cut prizes, or would you risk jail for minor amounts of money?
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 21 2012 05:17 GMT
#1258
On September 21 2012 14:13 AngryMag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 13:25 Xiphos wrote:
On September 21 2012 09:47 AngryMag wrote:
Just to the argument that weed dealers will be competing with the government if weed gets legalized. That is not really true, the price you pay for your weed gets largely calculated via 2 factors: Risk and the amounts of hands it already got through till you as consument buys it. If you buy street weed it often went to 5 or even 6 hands.

If the government taxes it halfway rationally, most of the black market will be eliminated. The margins will get smaller because you have to compete with the government's prices and the risk stays the same. For most people it just won't be worth the risk anymore.


OR you can be safe from anyone to constantly supervising your action and won't get jailed for selling the substance. So I think that the dealers will eventually lower their prices. The government in turn have to compete with THEIR prices in pharmaceutical companies.

Now think about 1 gram weed for 5 dollars. Now that's a good price. But however, the government would probably ban any form of personal shops and have licences up to sale so they can take away the licences whenever they feel like it and thus monopolizing the market.

So dealers would still be a sort of 'illegal actvities' per se. They'll have to drop the prices to stay competitive though. This benefit the consumers the most.


This is true, but we both know, if the shit gets legalized the state will be the only one selling licenses and stuff to get them tax dollars rolling,prosecution of the "illegal" producers will stay the same. Oh and most dealers won't sell the product anymore if they have to cut prizes, or would you risk jail for minor amounts of money?


If the dealer's money directly co-related with the government's pharma prices. So we can see that once dealer lowers the price, so will the government. People will end up buying more weed probably because of the low prices. But at the end of the days, consumers will win it out with government dropping the price so low that the dealers will have to be forced out of the business. Now that will be victorious day.
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urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 05:23:59
September 21 2012 05:17 GMT
#1259
On September 21 2012 13:21 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 13:16 b0mBerMan wrote:
On September 21 2012 09:48 rogzardo wrote:
1 - Total deaths from Cannabis overdose: 0

2 - Total deaths caused from alcohol, tobacco, and prescription drugs: hundreds of thousands per year.

3 - Marijuana's current status as illegal does not prevent anyone from smoking it who cares to. Depending on what poll you look at, 40-60 percent of the US population under the age of 21 has smoked at least once, and about 10-15 percent smoke regularly. A recent study that has been thrown around this thread (by people opposed to legalization) states that 7% of high school seniors smoke weed every day.We've all heard anecdotal evidence that high school age children often have a harder time acquiring beer than marijuana.

4 - Hundreds of thousands of Americans suffer from disease for which marijuana can provide some relief, but are denied access.

5 - Marijuana laws typically prosecute marijuana users on a similar level to users of cocaine, heroin, and meth.

Sources?

6 - Many professionals are marijuana users. The stereotype of a lazy fuck-up exists for smokers and non-smokers alike. Some notable smokers include Bill Gates, Rick Steves, Pablo Picasso, Steve Jobs, Carl Sagan, Stephen Jay Gould, Francis Crick, Andrew Weil, Kary Mullis, Oliver Sacks, Richard Feynman, and the list goes on and on if you care to look.

So are the regular homeless wrecked Johns and Janes who live by the city's dirt and filth. Status of users are not direct evidence for or against legalization of marijuana.

8 - Studies have shown that marijuana use does not negatively impact your brain, but it is a moot point when discussing legality. Alcohol is 100% proven to damage your brain, liver, and many other systems in your body, and yet it remains legal. Cannabis' negative physical side effects are at the worst controversial, and at best hardly existent. This is not a basis for prohibition.

Sources?

Sources? Go read the thread. I've read all the posts so far and I've seen at least half a dozen reboots where the same claims were questioned and the same sources were given.

If he's going to make a post containing only a list of statements and say "discuss", he should source it. You don't source it by saying "it's here somewhere, go find it". That's not a useful discussion.

Some of those points are not here somewhere. I've read the thread. Some of them might be in videos that are over two hours long. Statements like "total deaths from Cannabis overdose: 0" aren't even within reason. A study to prove that is impossible. Something like "0 of 10,000 marijuana smokers in a study died of an overdose, leading scientists to believe it is impossible to overdose on Cannabis" would be more reasonable.
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September 21 2012 07:27 GMT
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I would be happy for marijuana to be legalised provided there was a reliable method of preventing minors from accessing it. There probably isn't though, and since marijuana can significantly stunt the brain development of physically immature users, and since brain development can continue into the early 20s I would prefer not to see it legalized yet. Alcohol is temptation enough, and already fucks up enough teens on its own.

Like people have said, 99% of adults can access marijuana if they want to, and as long as you're not carrying huge amounts you probably won't get fucked over by police (in most countries). And if you're somewhere you can't smoke it then just do something else with your time. It will probably be better spent anyway.

It's hardly a pressing 'issue' for the amount of discussion it gets. In fact, I think the busier you are with life the less you give a shit.
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