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On September 21 2012 08:50 knOxStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:42 calderon wrote:
Thing is, the laws should be to guide the morale views of the public. When the law is more and more conflicted with public perception, this is where problem arises. Due you think prohibition of marijuana is effective? Is it working?
Think about why prohibition of alcohol didn't work. People kept consuming it illegally. Why? The mere fact it was illegal did not stop many people.
My point is that by fighting something that is clearly seen as OK by a large proportion of the public (especially the younger generations) is fruitless. Oh so because people keep doing something that's illegal the government should legalize it? What if the the general public suddenly decided it was OK to murder other people? Legalize that shit, the public demands it! Lol give me a break. And why do you say "especially the younger generations". The younger generations should be ignored when it comes to things like this. And before you call me an old man or some shit, I'm part of the younger generations, something I become more and more embarrased about every day.
That probably wouldn't happen. Because the vast majority of the population think murder is wrong. You think before there were laws for murder people just went round killing each other? No, the laws were created to guide the general morale values of society. Why do you think laws can change over time?
First of all, provide me with objective research that shows the adverse effects of marijuana, then compare it other substances which are legal (sugar, tobacco, alcohol) in terms of harm and addictiveness. Then show me the public perception of marijuana. Then show the me the efficacy of prohibition of usage rates and availability and costs to the government.
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On September 21 2012 08:51 turdburgler wrote:
replace the word weed with alcohol.
also mentally addicted? wat
As i said, the fact alcohol is legal dosnt mean weed should also be and if it is to be made legal we should do it correctly and not muck up like alcohol, although everyone has had access to alcohol for several thousand years so you cant compare the 2.
Mental addiction means you smoke it all the time for the "high" it gives you and you feel the need to always smoke to feel good and not just once every so often.
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On September 21 2012 08:32 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Of course people that smoke weed will Want it legalized lol. Weed is the door to other drugs whether people like to think so or not, it stinks, it's bad for you, and it will lead to more deaths if legalized. But as long as people don't smoke it in my face or close to me like fucking cigs then I don't care at all.
And ffs the people who say they want to take more control away from the government are being a little ridiculous. The government can be downright retarded at times but the average person is pretty fucking retarded aswell so the government having control over the population is required
I think you need to go research how the black market operates on illegal drugs vs the legal market on drugs. The only "stairway or door to other drugs"is through the illegal dealer, you don't go buy liquor and say "man... I really gotta get a bigger fix" even though alcohol is more addictive and has more adverse effects.
Also lead to more deaths? Do you mean the first ever death? No one has ever died from the consumption of marijuana.
Bad for you? Other then speculations from countries stating it may double the chance of schizophrenia
There is some evidence that cannabis use can contribute to schizophrenia. Some studies suggest that cannabis is neither a sufficient nor necessary factor in developing schizophrenia, but that cannabis may significantly increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and may be, among other things, a significant causal factor. Nevertheless, some previous research in this area has been criticised as it has often not been clear whether cannabis use is a cause or effect of schizophrenia. To address this issue, a recent review of studies from which a causal contribution to schizophrenia can be assessed has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, assuming a causal relationship, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population.[94]
An older longitudinal study, published in 1987, suggested a sixfold increase of schizophrenia risks for high consumers of cannabis (use on more than fifty occasions) in Sweden.[95]
Despite increases in cannabis consumption in the 1960s and 1970s in western society, rates of psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia remained relatively stable over time.[96][97][98] Also, Sweden and Japan, where self-reported marijuana use is very low, do not have lower rates of psychosis than the U.S. and Canada do.[99] Thus, there remains controversy over whether or not the apparent association between cannabis and schizophrenia is a causal relationship.
but frankly there is no substantial proof through data (as shown near the bottom). So where is the harm? Where is the danger? It doesn't do anything...
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On September 21 2012 09:00 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:32 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Of course people that smoke weed will Want it legalized lol. Weed is the door to other drugs whether people like to think so or not, it stinks, it's bad for you, and it will lead to more deaths if legalized. But as long as people don't smoke it in my face or close to me like fucking cigs then I don't care at all.
And ffs the people who say they want to take more control away from the government are being a little ridiculous. The government can be downright retarded at times but the average person is pretty fucking retarded aswell so the government having control over the population is required I think you need to go research how the black market operates on illegal drugs vs the legal market on drugs. The only "stairway or door to other drugs"is through the illegal dealer, you don't go buy liquor and say "man... I really gotta get a bigger fix" even though alcohol is more addictive and has more adverse effects. Also lead to more deaths? Do you mean the first ever death? No one has ever died from the consumption of marijuana. Bad for you? Other then speculations from countries stating it may double the chance of schizophrenia Show nested quote +There is some evidence that cannabis use can contribute to schizophrenia. Some studies suggest that cannabis is neither a sufficient nor necessary factor in developing schizophrenia, but that cannabis may significantly increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and may be, among other things, a significant causal factor. Nevertheless, some previous research in this area has been criticised as it has often not been clear whether cannabis use is a cause or effect of schizophrenia. To address this issue, a recent review of studies from which a causal contribution to schizophrenia can be assessed has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, assuming a causal relationship, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population.[94]
An older longitudinal study, published in 1987, suggested a sixfold increase of schizophrenia risks for high consumers of cannabis (use on more than fifty occasions) in Sweden.[95]
Despite increases in cannabis consumption in the 1960s and 1970s in western society, rates of psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia remained relatively stable over time.[96][97][98] Also, Sweden and Japan, where self-reported marijuana use is very low, do not have lower rates of psychosis than the U.S. and Canada do.[99] Thus, there remains controversy over whether or not the apparent association between cannabis and schizophrenia is a causal relationship. but frankly there is no substantial proof through data (as shown near the bottom). So where is the harm? Where is the danger? It doesn't do anything...
However if you want the government to approve it as legal it needs to be considerd safe therefor more research must be done.
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On September 21 2012 08:54 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:39 NeMeSiS3 wrote: On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. I think it is because you need something to compare it too. I can say that smoking marijuana is less addictive than coffee (studies do show this) and it has no solid negative effects while having positive health effects (medical marijuana is marijuana, no difference). There is a study circulating that it may cause schizophrenia if consumed prior to 16 but that is not proven and challenged heavily by Swedish and American doctors (it was a British study). So although I agree saying "this is not as bad as that, don't ban it" may come off as a weak argument, but the idea of "freedom" is that we can do what we want with our bodies, marijuana other then the "smell" has zero effect on the people around, it is NOT dangerous (no second hand smoke) where alcohol counts for around 90+ thousand deaths per year just in the states, a lot in drunk driving accidents killing innocent people. Well i wouldnt say not dangerous as driving under influence of weed im sure dose cause accidents, no where as many but it still dose. Personally im not against legalizing weed but first you have to solve these issues. 1. How do you prevent minors of getting using weed.
2. How do we make sure that people only buy legal and not fund crime/terror.
3. How do we prevent people from becoming mentally addicted (ie; limit amount someone can smoke).
4. Prevent driving under influence or smoking at work etc.
5. Screen people to make sure it wont trigger mental issues (weed can trigger mental conditions in those that have a history or are at high risk)Once you solve all these you then have to find a way legalize weed globally (or say in all western countries) so that you dont have all the issues of Amsterdam and prevent smuggling/crime/drug tourism. Just due to this i dont see it happening despite alot of places in the world dont really care about individuel smokers. Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:47 calderon wrote:On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. What i'm trying to show is, why do people have such apathy to alcohol (a nothing can be done about it) attitude, yet are so vehemently opposed to legalizing marijuana, when prohibition has CLEARLY failed to curb usage. The fact it failed to curb usage dosnt mean it was a bad thing, could be it was just done wrong. Also you will always have issues trying to make something outlawed once it was legal for so long and can any indavidual can make for himself.
1. Just how alcohol is distributed as of now.
2. errr, the mere fact that it is being legalizing is REDUCING a huge source of profit for organized crime in the country. I have no idea what this point is about.
3. Anything can be mentally addicting, its known that marijuana is less addictive than pretty much all mind altering substances.
4. Well, no solution, select few people will always be irresponsible, but with testing and fines (just as how alcohol is policed).
5. This is the point that fucks me off the most, show me some objective scientific evidence. There have been some studies which show that it might have a decrease of the symptoms in some mental illnesses.
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On September 21 2012 09:01 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 09:00 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 21 2012 08:32 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Of course people that smoke weed will Want it legalized lol. Weed is the door to other drugs whether people like to think so or not, it stinks, it's bad for you, and it will lead to more deaths if legalized. But as long as people don't smoke it in my face or close to me like fucking cigs then I don't care at all.
And ffs the people who say they want to take more control away from the government are being a little ridiculous. The government can be downright retarded at times but the average person is pretty fucking retarded aswell so the government having control over the population is required I think you need to go research how the black market operates on illegal drugs vs the legal market on drugs. The only "stairway or door to other drugs"is through the illegal dealer, you don't go buy liquor and say "man... I really gotta get a bigger fix" even though alcohol is more addictive and has more adverse effects. Also lead to more deaths? Do you mean the first ever death? No one has ever died from the consumption of marijuana. Bad for you? Other then speculations from countries stating it may double the chance of schizophrenia There is some evidence that cannabis use can contribute to schizophrenia. Some studies suggest that cannabis is neither a sufficient nor necessary factor in developing schizophrenia, but that cannabis may significantly increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and may be, among other things, a significant causal factor. Nevertheless, some previous research in this area has been criticised as it has often not been clear whether cannabis use is a cause or effect of schizophrenia. To address this issue, a recent review of studies from which a causal contribution to schizophrenia can be assessed has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, assuming a causal relationship, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population.[94]
An older longitudinal study, published in 1987, suggested a sixfold increase of schizophrenia risks for high consumers of cannabis (use on more than fifty occasions) in Sweden.[95]
Despite increases in cannabis consumption in the 1960s and 1970s in western society, rates of psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia remained relatively stable over time.[96][97][98] Also, Sweden and Japan, where self-reported marijuana use is very low, do not have lower rates of psychosis than the U.S. and Canada do.[99] Thus, there remains controversy over whether or not the apparent association between cannabis and schizophrenia is a causal relationship. but frankly there is no substantial proof through data (as shown near the bottom). So where is the harm? Where is the danger? It doesn't do anything... However if you want the government to approve it as legal it needs to be considerd safe therefor more research must be done.
This is where i struggle with your sentiment. Why is the burden of proof on the general public to prove its safe? Surely if the US government has been so vehemently oppposed to legalizing marijuana, you think they would've found some good research and proof that it is very harmful.
Cannabis has been used for centuries and centuries with very limited adverse health effects. Burden of proof should be on the government in this case.
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On September 21 2012 08:56 calderon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:50 knOxStarcraft wrote:On September 21 2012 08:42 calderon wrote:
Thing is, the laws should be to guide the morale views of the public. When the law is more and more conflicted with public perception, this is where problem arises. Due you think prohibition of marijuana is effective? Is it working?
Think about why prohibition of alcohol didn't work. People kept consuming it illegally. Why? The mere fact it was illegal did not stop many people.
My point is that by fighting something that is clearly seen as OK by a large proportion of the public (especially the younger generations) is fruitless. Oh so because people keep doing something that's illegal the government should legalize it? What if the the general public suddenly decided it was OK to murder other people? Legalize that shit, the public demands it! Lol give me a break. And why do you say "especially the younger generations". The younger generations should be ignored when it comes to things like this. And before you call me an old man or some shit, I'm part of the younger generations, something I become more and more embarrased about every day. That probably wouldn't happen. Because the vast majority of the population think murder is wrong. You think before there were laws for murder people just went round killing each other? No, the laws were created to guide the general morale values of society. Why do you think laws can change over time? First of all, provide me with objective research that shows the adverse effects of marijuana, then compare it other substances which are legal (sugar, tobacco, alcohol) in terms of harm and addictiveness. Then show me the public perception of marijuana. Then show the me the efficacy of prohibition of usage rates and availability and costs to the government.
I used that extreme case to prove the point that you can't start legalizing things because the majority thinks it's OK, there are simply too many stupid people in the general population of any country.
Why do you keep coming at me with this "well this this and this is bad for people to, so legalize"? I never said weed is any worse for you, or more harmful to the public than tobacco or alcohol, because it's not, and that's not why it's staying illegal. If you really can't see that then there is no point in discussing this.
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On September 21 2012 09:05 knOxStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:56 calderon wrote:On September 21 2012 08:50 knOxStarcraft wrote:On September 21 2012 08:42 calderon wrote:
Thing is, the laws should be to guide the morale views of the public. When the law is more and more conflicted with public perception, this is where problem arises. Due you think prohibition of marijuana is effective? Is it working?
Think about why prohibition of alcohol didn't work. People kept consuming it illegally. Why? The mere fact it was illegal did not stop many people.
My point is that by fighting something that is clearly seen as OK by a large proportion of the public (especially the younger generations) is fruitless. Oh so because people keep doing something that's illegal the government should legalize it? What if the the general public suddenly decided it was OK to murder other people? Legalize that shit, the public demands it! Lol give me a break. And why do you say "especially the younger generations". The younger generations should be ignored when it comes to things like this. And before you call me an old man or some shit, I'm part of the younger generations, something I become more and more embarrased about every day. That probably wouldn't happen. Because the vast majority of the population think murder is wrong. You think before there were laws for murder people just went round killing each other? No, the laws were created to guide the general morale values of society. Why do you think laws can change over time? First of all, provide me with objective research that shows the adverse effects of marijuana, then compare it other substances which are legal (sugar, tobacco, alcohol) in terms of harm and addictiveness. Then show me the public perception of marijuana. Then show the me the efficacy of prohibition of usage rates and availability and costs to the government. I used that extreme case to prove the point that you can't start legalizing things because the majority thinks it's OK, there are simply too many stupid people in the general population of any country. Why do you keep coming at me with this "well this this and this is bad for people to, so legalize"? I never said weed is any worse for you, or more harmful to the public than tobacco or alcohol, because it's not, and that's not why it's staying illegal. If you really can't see that then there is no point in discussing this.
I can, and thats why i told you to come up with evidence that Cannabis is harmful enough to be criminalized. You came at me with some gateway drugs theory that you now disagree with yourself.
From everything you've posted you are so naive about these issues there is no point discussing this with you.
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On September 21 2012 09:02 calderon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:54 Goozen wrote:On September 21 2012 08:39 NeMeSiS3 wrote: On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. I think it is because you need something to compare it too. I can say that smoking marijuana is less addictive than coffee (studies do show this) and it has no solid negative effects while having positive health effects (medical marijuana is marijuana, no difference). There is a study circulating that it may cause schizophrenia if consumed prior to 16 but that is not proven and challenged heavily by Swedish and American doctors (it was a British study). So although I agree saying "this is not as bad as that, don't ban it" may come off as a weak argument, but the idea of "freedom" is that we can do what we want with our bodies, marijuana other then the "smell" has zero effect on the people around, it is NOT dangerous (no second hand smoke) where alcohol counts for around 90+ thousand deaths per year just in the states, a lot in drunk driving accidents killing innocent people. Well i wouldnt say not dangerous as driving under influence of weed im sure dose cause accidents, no where as many but it still dose. Personally im not against legalizing weed but first you have to solve these issues. 1. How do you prevent minors of getting using weed.
2. How do we make sure that people only buy legal and not fund crime/terror.
3. How do we prevent people from becoming mentally addicted (ie; limit amount someone can smoke).
4. Prevent driving under influence or smoking at work etc.
5. Screen people to make sure it wont trigger mental issues (weed can trigger mental conditions in those that have a history or are at high risk)Once you solve all these you then have to find a way legalize weed globally (or say in all western countries) so that you dont have all the issues of Amsterdam and prevent smuggling/crime/drug tourism. Just due to this i dont see it happening despite alot of places in the world dont really care about individuel smokers. On September 21 2012 08:47 calderon wrote:On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. What i'm trying to show is, why do people have such apathy to alcohol (a nothing can be done about it) attitude, yet are so vehemently opposed to legalizing marijuana, when prohibition has CLEARLY failed to curb usage. The fact it failed to curb usage dosnt mean it was a bad thing, could be it was just done wrong. Also you will always have issues trying to make something outlawed once it was legal for so long and can any indavidual can make for himself. 1. Just how alcohol is distributed as of now. 2. errr, the mere fact that it is being legalizing is REDUCING a huge source of profit for organized crime in the country. I have no idea what this point is about. 3. Anything can be mentally addicting, its known that marijuana is less addictive than pretty much all mind altering substances. 4. Well, no solution, select few people will always be irresponsible, but with testing and fines (just as how alcohol is policed). 5. This is the point that fucks me off the most, show me some objective scientific evidence. There have been some studies which show that it might have a decrease of the symptoms in some mental illnesses.
1. And it dosnt work dose it? if we have the chance we should do it properly and not balls it up like alcohol is.
2. Still, if you tax it, it wont be cheap. And crime/terror groups can sell it cheaper then places that need to pay taxes can so it dosnt really solve anything.
3. Once again this is not a strong case, a fair number of people pretty much spend as much time as they can getting high and are really not productive members of society. The only other legal thing that i can think that is mentally addictive and is legal is alcohol and its bad enough that there is no way to control that we dont want even more like it.
4. Well we need a good one then even 1 alcohol related death (drunk driving) is 1 too many we need a system so this wont happen with weed.
5:
There is some evidence that cannabis use can contribute to schizophrenia. Some studies suggest that cannabis is neither a sufficient nor necessary factor in developing schizophrenia, but that cannabis may significantly increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and may be, among other things, a significant causal factor. Nevertheless, some previous research in this area has been criticised as it has often not been clear whether cannabis use is a cause or effect of schizophrenia. To address this issue, a recent review of studies from which a causal contribution to schizophrenia can be assessed has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, assuming a causal relationship, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population.[94]
An older longitudinal study, published in 1987, suggested a sixfold increase of schizophrenia risks for high consumers of cannabis (use on more than fifty occasions) in Sweden.[95]
Despite increases in cannabis consumption in the 1960s and 1970s in western society, rates of psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia remained relatively stable over time.[96][97][98] Also, Sweden and Japan, where self-reported marijuana use is very low, do not have lower rates of psychosis than the U.S. and Canada do.[99] Thus, there remains controversy over whether or not the apparent association between cannabis and schizophrenia is a causal relationship.
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On September 21 2012 09:02 calderon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:54 Goozen wrote:On September 21 2012 08:39 NeMeSiS3 wrote: On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. I think it is because you need something to compare it too. I can say that smoking marijuana is less addictive than coffee (studies do show this) and it has no solid negative effects while having positive health effects (medical marijuana is marijuana, no difference). There is a study circulating that it may cause schizophrenia if consumed prior to 16 but that is not proven and challenged heavily by Swedish and American doctors (it was a British study). So although I agree saying "this is not as bad as that, don't ban it" may come off as a weak argument, but the idea of "freedom" is that we can do what we want with our bodies, marijuana other then the "smell" has zero effect on the people around, it is NOT dangerous (no second hand smoke) where alcohol counts for around 90+ thousand deaths per year just in the states, a lot in drunk driving accidents killing innocent people. Well i wouldnt say not dangerous as driving under influence of weed im sure dose cause accidents, no where as many but it still dose. Personally im not against legalizing weed but first you have to solve these issues. 1. How do you prevent minors of getting using weed.
2. How do we make sure that people only buy legal and not fund crime/terror.
3. How do we prevent people from becoming mentally addicted (ie; limit amount someone can smoke).
4. Prevent driving under influence or smoking at work etc.
5. Screen people to make sure it wont trigger mental issues (weed can trigger mental conditions in those that have a history or are at high risk)Once you solve all these you then have to find a way legalize weed globally (or say in all western countries) so that you dont have all the issues of Amsterdam and prevent smuggling/crime/drug tourism. Just due to this i dont see it happening despite alot of places in the world dont really care about individuel smokers. On September 21 2012 08:47 calderon wrote:On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. What i'm trying to show is, why do people have such apathy to alcohol (a nothing can be done about it) attitude, yet are so vehemently opposed to legalizing marijuana, when prohibition has CLEARLY failed to curb usage. The fact it failed to curb usage dosnt mean it was a bad thing, could be it was just done wrong. Also you will always have issues trying to make something outlawed once it was legal for so long and can any indavidual can make for himself. 1. Just how alcohol is distributed as of now. 2. errr, the mere fact that it is being legalizing is REDUCING a huge source of profit for organized crime in the country. I have no idea what this point is about. 3. Anything can be mentally addicting, its known that marijuana is less addictive than pretty much all mind altering substances. 4. Well, no solution, select few people will always be irresponsible, but with testing and fines (just as how alcohol is policed). 5. This is the point that fucks me off the most, show me some objective scientific evidence. There have been some studies which show that it might have a decrease of the symptoms in some mental illnesses.
The only points that really matter here are 2-4.
2. He is saying that the dealers will still exist and will still get people into other drugs and will still cause problems for the government. Especially if the government is competeing with them for sales (sounds so wrong lol).
3. Why add another mentally addicting substance? There are enough legal as it is. I personally don't really care but that is most likely their logic.
4. Again, why add the risk of people being irresponsible more than they already are?
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On September 21 2012 09:05 calderon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 09:01 Goozen wrote:On September 21 2012 09:00 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 21 2012 08:32 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Of course people that smoke weed will Want it legalized lol. Weed is the door to other drugs whether people like to think so or not, it stinks, it's bad for you, and it will lead to more deaths if legalized. But as long as people don't smoke it in my face or close to me like fucking cigs then I don't care at all.
And ffs the people who say they want to take more control away from the government are being a little ridiculous. The government can be downright retarded at times but the average person is pretty fucking retarded aswell so the government having control over the population is required I think you need to go research how the black market operates on illegal drugs vs the legal market on drugs. The only "stairway or door to other drugs"is through the illegal dealer, you don't go buy liquor and say "man... I really gotta get a bigger fix" even though alcohol is more addictive and has more adverse effects. Also lead to more deaths? Do you mean the first ever death? No one has ever died from the consumption of marijuana. Bad for you? Other then speculations from countries stating it may double the chance of schizophrenia There is some evidence that cannabis use can contribute to schizophrenia. Some studies suggest that cannabis is neither a sufficient nor necessary factor in developing schizophrenia, but that cannabis may significantly increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and may be, among other things, a significant causal factor. Nevertheless, some previous research in this area has been criticised as it has often not been clear whether cannabis use is a cause or effect of schizophrenia. To address this issue, a recent review of studies from which a causal contribution to schizophrenia can be assessed has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, assuming a causal relationship, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population.[94]
An older longitudinal study, published in 1987, suggested a sixfold increase of schizophrenia risks for high consumers of cannabis (use on more than fifty occasions) in Sweden.[95]
Despite increases in cannabis consumption in the 1960s and 1970s in western society, rates of psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia remained relatively stable over time.[96][97][98] Also, Sweden and Japan, where self-reported marijuana use is very low, do not have lower rates of psychosis than the U.S. and Canada do.[99] Thus, there remains controversy over whether or not the apparent association between cannabis and schizophrenia is a causal relationship. but frankly there is no substantial proof through data (as shown near the bottom). So where is the harm? Where is the danger? It doesn't do anything... However if you want the government to approve it as legal it needs to be considerd safe therefor more research must be done. This is where i struggle with your sentiment. Why is the burden of proof on the general public to prove its safe? Surely if the US government has been so vehemently oppposed to legalizing marijuana, you think they would've found some good research and proof that it is very harmful. Cannabis has been used for centuries and centuries with very limited adverse health effects. Burden of proof should be on the government in this case.
The status quo is its illegal, just like you want to make a over the counter product legal you have to first make sure its safe.
What your saying is akin to a drug company saying "you do the test to make sure there are no side affects as you are the ones who dont want to let us sell it"
On September 21 2012 09:09 knOxStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 09:02 calderon wrote:On September 21 2012 08:54 Goozen wrote:On September 21 2012 08:39 NeMeSiS3 wrote: On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. I think it is because you need something to compare it too. I can say that smoking marijuana is less addictive than coffee (studies do show this) and it has no solid negative effects while having positive health effects (medical marijuana is marijuana, no difference). There is a study circulating that it may cause schizophrenia if consumed prior to 16 but that is not proven and challenged heavily by Swedish and American doctors (it was a British study). So although I agree saying "this is not as bad as that, don't ban it" may come off as a weak argument, but the idea of "freedom" is that we can do what we want with our bodies, marijuana other then the "smell" has zero effect on the people around, it is NOT dangerous (no second hand smoke) where alcohol counts for around 90+ thousand deaths per year just in the states, a lot in drunk driving accidents killing innocent people. Well i wouldnt say not dangerous as driving under influence of weed im sure dose cause accidents, no where as many but it still dose. Personally im not against legalizing weed but first you have to solve these issues. 1. How do you prevent minors of getting using weed.
2. How do we make sure that people only buy legal and not fund crime/terror.
3. How do we prevent people from becoming mentally addicted (ie; limit amount someone can smoke).
4. Prevent driving under influence or smoking at work etc.
5. Screen people to make sure it wont trigger mental issues (weed can trigger mental conditions in those that have a history or are at high risk)Once you solve all these you then have to find a way legalize weed globally (or say in all western countries) so that you dont have all the issues of Amsterdam and prevent smuggling/crime/drug tourism. Just due to this i dont see it happening despite alot of places in the world dont really care about individuel smokers. On September 21 2012 08:47 calderon wrote:On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. What i'm trying to show is, why do people have such apathy to alcohol (a nothing can be done about it) attitude, yet are so vehemently opposed to legalizing marijuana, when prohibition has CLEARLY failed to curb usage. The fact it failed to curb usage dosnt mean it was a bad thing, could be it was just done wrong. Also you will always have issues trying to make something outlawed once it was legal for so long and can any indavidual can make for himself. 1. Just how alcohol is distributed as of now. 2. errr, the mere fact that it is being legalizing is REDUCING a huge source of profit for organized crime in the country. I have no idea what this point is about. 3. Anything can be mentally addicting, its known that marijuana is less addictive than pretty much all mind altering substances. 4. Well, no solution, select few people will always be irresponsible, but with testing and fines (just as how alcohol is policed). 5. This is the point that fucks me off the most, show me some objective scientific evidence. There have been some studies which show that it might have a decrease of the symptoms in some mental illnesses. The only points that really matter here are 2-4.
I think distribution and prevention of minors getting hold of it is a big point.
Also 5 is something that either way we will know about at a certian point i guess.
Also off to sleep ill reply to the longer post tomorrow.
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On September 21 2012 08:54 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:39 NeMeSiS3 wrote: On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. I think it is because you need something to compare it too. I can say that smoking marijuana is less addictive than coffee (studies do show this) and it has no solid negative effects while having positive health effects (medical marijuana is marijuana, no difference). There is a study circulating that it may cause schizophrenia if consumed prior to 16 but that is not proven and challenged heavily by Swedish and American doctors (it was a British study). So although I agree saying "this is not as bad as that, don't ban it" may come off as a weak argument, but the idea of "freedom" is that we can do what we want with our bodies, marijuana other then the "smell" has zero effect on the people around, it is NOT dangerous (no second hand smoke) where alcohol counts for around 90+ thousand deaths per year just in the states, a lot in drunk driving accidents killing innocent people. Well i wouldnt say not dangerous as driving under influence of weed im sure dose cause accidents, no where as many but it still dose. Personally im not against legalizing weed but first you have to solve these issues. 1. How do you prevent minors of getting using weed. 2. How do we make sure that people only buy legal and not fund crime/terror. 3. How do we prevent people from becoming mentally addicted (ie; limit amount someone can smoke). 4. Prevent driving under influence or smoking at work etc. 5. Screen people to make sure it wont trigger mental issues (weed can trigger mental conditions in those that have a history or are at high risk) Once you solve all these you then have to find a way legalize weed globally (or say in all western countries) so that you dont have all the issues of Amsterdam and prevent smuggling/crime/drug tourism. Just due to this i dont see it happening despite alot of places in the world dont really care about individuel smokers.
1. You prevent it from getting to minors BY legalizing it. Alcohol is used by minors and you can't stop someone getting what they want ever, but it is a factor I can't even fathom easier to get pot as a kid then it is to get alcohol because it isn't regulated.
2. You can't stop illegal activities, but by creating strong laws (it is 50 dollars per illegal cigarette in Canada that you're caught with as a fine) it discourages the use of illegal drugs. Add that to the fact no drug maker could ever keep up with a country industrializing weed the entire business would be run out and that is why you don't hear much in the way of illegal smokes or alcohol, they frankly can't keep up nor produce an equivalent product.
3. You can't "limit" something in a "free" country if it is legal, just know that you can't die from the consumption unless you smoke something like your body weight in pot (this is an assumption, no one ever actually died from smoking marijuana) My answer would be that you shouldn't try to regulate the people, just the product. The average pot smoker smokes no more than 4 joints per day (ranging from 7 down) where an alcoholic or heavy smoker can drink or smoke factors above that. It would be like trying to regulate coffee at a coffee shop, you jsut can't do it nor would it be right to do so as it frankly isn't your business.
4. You can't stop stupidity, if someone drives drunk or intoxicated in anyway then that is simply a fact of life just as you can't stop someone from driving who hasn't slept in 30 hours and runs off the road but in a society we accept such risks because frankly you can't regulate stupidity. The idea of banning a substance that has no adverse effects and causes very few fatalities from "drugged driving" when compared to alcohol just because it MAY be done shouldn't ever be the case. It would be like banning butcher knifes because someone MAY go on a killing spree, or banning stoves becasue it MAY light your house on fire.
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weed can trigger mental conditions in those that have a history or are at high risk
You will have to cite this as all of the research I have seen (except for schizophrenia which again is not proven and shows no proof when compared across countries over the past few years) shows that it only has positive effects. You can't equate banning a product because a marginal few may get affected (unproven I might add). If that was the case all video games would be banned because some people have epileptic seizures.
I hope that kinda clears it up
EDIT: Article showing 10 health benefits (these are proven, you can research if you want)
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On September 21 2012 09:11 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 09:05 calderon wrote:On September 21 2012 09:01 Goozen wrote:On September 21 2012 09:00 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 21 2012 08:32 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Of course people that smoke weed will Want it legalized lol. Weed is the door to other drugs whether people like to think so or not, it stinks, it's bad for you, and it will lead to more deaths if legalized. But as long as people don't smoke it in my face or close to me like fucking cigs then I don't care at all.
And ffs the people who say they want to take more control away from the government are being a little ridiculous. The government can be downright retarded at times but the average person is pretty fucking retarded aswell so the government having control over the population is required I think you need to go research how the black market operates on illegal drugs vs the legal market on drugs. The only "stairway or door to other drugs"is through the illegal dealer, you don't go buy liquor and say "man... I really gotta get a bigger fix" even though alcohol is more addictive and has more adverse effects. Also lead to more deaths? Do you mean the first ever death? No one has ever died from the consumption of marijuana. Bad for you? Other then speculations from countries stating it may double the chance of schizophrenia There is some evidence that cannabis use can contribute to schizophrenia. Some studies suggest that cannabis is neither a sufficient nor necessary factor in developing schizophrenia, but that cannabis may significantly increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and may be, among other things, a significant causal factor. Nevertheless, some previous research in this area has been criticised as it has often not been clear whether cannabis use is a cause or effect of schizophrenia. To address this issue, a recent review of studies from which a causal contribution to schizophrenia can be assessed has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, assuming a causal relationship, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population.[94]
An older longitudinal study, published in 1987, suggested a sixfold increase of schizophrenia risks for high consumers of cannabis (use on more than fifty occasions) in Sweden.[95]
Despite increases in cannabis consumption in the 1960s and 1970s in western society, rates of psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia remained relatively stable over time.[96][97][98] Also, Sweden and Japan, where self-reported marijuana use is very low, do not have lower rates of psychosis than the U.S. and Canada do.[99] Thus, there remains controversy over whether or not the apparent association between cannabis and schizophrenia is a causal relationship. but frankly there is no substantial proof through data (as shown near the bottom). So where is the harm? Where is the danger? It doesn't do anything... However if you want the government to approve it as legal it needs to be considerd safe therefor more research must be done. This is where i struggle with your sentiment. Why is the burden of proof on the general public to prove its safe? Surely if the US government has been so vehemently oppposed to legalizing marijuana, you think they would've found some good research and proof that it is very harmful. Cannabis has been used for centuries and centuries with very limited adverse health effects. Burden of proof should be on the government in this case. The status quo is its illegal, just like you want to make a over the counter product legal you have to first make sure its safe. What your saying is akin to a drug company saying "you do the test to make sure there are no side affects as you are the ones who dont want to let us sell it" Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 09:09 knOxStarcraft wrote:On September 21 2012 09:02 calderon wrote:On September 21 2012 08:54 Goozen wrote:On September 21 2012 08:39 NeMeSiS3 wrote: On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. I think it is because you need something to compare it too. I can say that smoking marijuana is less addictive than coffee (studies do show this) and it has no solid negative effects while having positive health effects (medical marijuana is marijuana, no difference). There is a study circulating that it may cause schizophrenia if consumed prior to 16 but that is not proven and challenged heavily by Swedish and American doctors (it was a British study). So although I agree saying "this is not as bad as that, don't ban it" may come off as a weak argument, but the idea of "freedom" is that we can do what we want with our bodies, marijuana other then the "smell" has zero effect on the people around, it is NOT dangerous (no second hand smoke) where alcohol counts for around 90+ thousand deaths per year just in the states, a lot in drunk driving accidents killing innocent people. Well i wouldnt say not dangerous as driving under influence of weed im sure dose cause accidents, no where as many but it still dose. Personally im not against legalizing weed but first you have to solve these issues. 1. How do you prevent minors of getting using weed.
2. How do we make sure that people only buy legal and not fund crime/terror.
3. How do we prevent people from becoming mentally addicted (ie; limit amount someone can smoke).
4. Prevent driving under influence or smoking at work etc.
5. Screen people to make sure it wont trigger mental issues (weed can trigger mental conditions in those that have a history or are at high risk)Once you solve all these you then have to find a way legalize weed globally (or say in all western countries) so that you dont have all the issues of Amsterdam and prevent smuggling/crime/drug tourism. Just due to this i dont see it happening despite alot of places in the world dont really care about individuel smokers. On September 21 2012 08:47 calderon wrote:On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. What i'm trying to show is, why do people have such apathy to alcohol (a nothing can be done about it) attitude, yet are so vehemently opposed to legalizing marijuana, when prohibition has CLEARLY failed to curb usage. The fact it failed to curb usage dosnt mean it was a bad thing, could be it was just done wrong. Also you will always have issues trying to make something outlawed once it was legal for so long and can any indavidual can make for himself. 1. Just how alcohol is distributed as of now. 2. errr, the mere fact that it is being legalizing is REDUCING a huge source of profit for organized crime in the country. I have no idea what this point is about. 3. Anything can be mentally addicting, its known that marijuana is less addictive than pretty much all mind altering substances. 4. Well, no solution, select few people will always be irresponsible, but with testing and fines (just as how alcohol is policed). 5. This is the point that fucks me off the most, show me some objective scientific evidence. There have been some studies which show that it might have a decrease of the symptoms in some mental illnesses. The only points that really matter here are 2-4. I think distribution and prevention of minors getting hold of it is a big point. Also 5 is something that either way we will know about at a certian point i guess.
Ya sorry I posted too early by accident, I edited the post
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I want weed legalized so we can shut down the prison system in the US. We have 25% of the worlds prisoners the majority of whom are held solely on drug charges. They are kept imprisoned so that police and prison guards who are the most powerful union and lobbysists in our country can continue to have more jobs paid for by the US taxpayer. This is costing us billions each year and we now spend more to incarcerate drug users than on public education in the state of California where I live. Its why the rest of the world laughs at America when we talk about justice and freedom. The nation with the most prisoners on Earth is not free or just.
The fact is marijuana laws are created so the US can have political prisoners. Even when it started the drug war was heavily supported by the KKK and Richard Nixon because they could use it to demonize blacks and anti war protestors. There is no logical reason to keep marijuana illegal unless you support oppression by the US government against those who have the least.
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On September 21 2012 09:09 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 09:02 calderon wrote:On September 21 2012 08:54 Goozen wrote:On September 21 2012 08:39 NeMeSiS3 wrote: On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. I think it is because you need something to compare it too. I can say that smoking marijuana is less addictive than coffee (studies do show this) and it has no solid negative effects while having positive health effects (medical marijuana is marijuana, no difference). There is a study circulating that it may cause schizophrenia if consumed prior to 16 but that is not proven and challenged heavily by Swedish and American doctors (it was a British study). So although I agree saying "this is not as bad as that, don't ban it" may come off as a weak argument, but the idea of "freedom" is that we can do what we want with our bodies, marijuana other then the "smell" has zero effect on the people around, it is NOT dangerous (no second hand smoke) where alcohol counts for around 90+ thousand deaths per year just in the states, a lot in drunk driving accidents killing innocent people. Well i wouldnt say not dangerous as driving under influence of weed im sure dose cause accidents, no where as many but it still dose. Personally im not against legalizing weed but first you have to solve these issues. 1. How do you prevent minors of getting using weed.
2. How do we make sure that people only buy legal and not fund crime/terror.
3. How do we prevent people from becoming mentally addicted (ie; limit amount someone can smoke).
4. Prevent driving under influence or smoking at work etc.
5. Screen people to make sure it wont trigger mental issues (weed can trigger mental conditions in those that have a history or are at high risk)Once you solve all these you then have to find a way legalize weed globally (or say in all western countries) so that you dont have all the issues of Amsterdam and prevent smuggling/crime/drug tourism. Just due to this i dont see it happening despite alot of places in the world dont really care about individuel smokers. On September 21 2012 08:47 calderon wrote:On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. What i'm trying to show is, why do people have such apathy to alcohol (a nothing can be done about it) attitude, yet are so vehemently opposed to legalizing marijuana, when prohibition has CLEARLY failed to curb usage. The fact it failed to curb usage dosnt mean it was a bad thing, could be it was just done wrong. Also you will always have issues trying to make something outlawed once it was legal for so long and can any indavidual can make for himself. 1. Just how alcohol is distributed as of now. 2. errr, the mere fact that it is being legalizing is REDUCING a huge source of profit for organized crime in the country. I have no idea what this point is about. 3. Anything can be mentally addicting, its known that marijuana is less addictive than pretty much all mind altering substances. 4. Well, no solution, select few people will always be irresponsible, but with testing and fines (just as how alcohol is policed). 5. This is the point that fucks me off the most, show me some objective scientific evidence. There have been some studies which show that it might have a decrease of the symptoms in some mental illnesses. 1. And it dosnt work dose it? if we have the chance we should do it properly and not balls it up like alcohol is. 2. Still, if you tax it, it wont be cheap. And crime/terror groups can sell it cheaper then places that need to pay taxes can so it dosnt really solve anything. 3. Once again this is not a strong case, a fair number of people pretty much spend as much time as they can getting high and are really not productive members of society. The only other legal thing that i can think that is mentally addictive and is legal is alcohol and its bad enough that there is no way to control that we dont want even more like it. 4. Well we need a good one then even 1 alcohol related death (drunk driving) is 1 too many we need a system so this wont happen with weed. 5: Show nested quote +There is some evidence that cannabis use can contribute to schizophrenia. Some studies suggest that cannabis is neither a sufficient nor necessary factor in developing schizophrenia, but that cannabis may significantly increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and may be, among other things, a significant causal factor. Nevertheless, some previous research in this area has been criticised as it has often not been clear whether cannabis use is a cause or effect of schizophrenia. To address this issue, a recent review of studies from which a causal contribution to schizophrenia can be assessed has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, assuming a causal relationship, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population.[94]
An older longitudinal study, published in 1987, suggested a sixfold increase of schizophrenia risks for high consumers of cannabis (use on more than fifty occasions) in Sweden.[95]
Despite increases in cannabis consumption in the 1960s and 1970s in western society, rates of psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia remained relatively stable over time.[96][97][98] Also, Sweden and Japan, where self-reported marijuana use is very low, do not have lower rates of psychosis than the U.S. and Canada do.[99] Thus, there remains controversy over whether or not the apparent association between cannabis and schizophrenia is a causal relationship.
First, did you even read the wiki quote about mental health effects properly? It more supports my point than yours. Smoking was researched and shown to be healthy in the past. Then at the bottom of your wiki reference "Despite increases in cannabis consumption in the 1960s and 1970s in western society, rates of psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia remained relatively stable over time.[96][97][98] Also, Sweden and Japan, where self-reported marijuana use is very low, do not have lower rates of psychosis than the U.S. and Canada do.[99] Thus, there remains controversy over whether or not the apparent association between cannabis and schizophrenia is a causal relationship."
I think if cannabis is legalizing, illegal entities won't be able to produce it cheaper even with the additional tax, if so, it will still drastically cut into their profits. Most cannabis users will (speculation), buy from legal options if possible. (I guess this will depend on how steep the taxes are).
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On September 21 2012 09:16 UrsusRex wrote:
I want weed legalized so we can shut down the prison system in the US. We have 25% of the worlds prisoners the majority of whom are held solely on drug charges. They are kept imprisoned so that police and prison guards who are the most powerful union and lobbysists in our country can continue to have more jobs paid for by the US taxpayer. This is costing us billions each year and we now spend more to incarcerate drug users than on public education in the state of California where I live. Its why the rest of the world laughs at America when we talk about justice and freedom. The nation with the most prisoners on Earth is not free or just.
The fact is marijuana laws are created so the US can have political prisoners. Even when it started the drug war was heavily supported by the KKK and Richard Nixon because they could use it to demonize blacks and anti war protestors. There is no logical reason to keep marijuana legal unless you support oppression by the US government against those who have the least.
So let me get this straight... If someone is opposed to making weed legal they then must be supporting the KKK and must be completely against "people who have the least" (homeless people?). Well I guess that clears up the whole discussion right there guys, close the thread mods! And thank you kindly sir for your incredibly intelligent post! :D
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On September 21 2012 09:25 knOxStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 09:16 UrsusRex wrote:
I want weed legalized so we can shut down the prison system in the US. We have 25% of the worlds prisoners the majority of whom are held solely on drug charges. They are kept imprisoned so that police and prison guards who are the most powerful union and lobbysists in our country can continue to have more jobs paid for by the US taxpayer. This is costing us billions each year and we now spend more to incarcerate drug users than on public education in the state of California where I live. Its why the rest of the world laughs at America when we talk about justice and freedom. The nation with the most prisoners on Earth is not free or just.
The fact is marijuana laws are created so the US can have political prisoners. Even when it started the drug war was heavily supported by the KKK and Richard Nixon because they could use it to demonize blacks and anti war protestors. There is no logical reason to keep marijuana legal unless you support oppression by the US government against those who have the least. So let me get this straight... If someone is opposed to making weed legal they then must be supporting the KKK and must be completely against "people who have the least" (homeless people?). Well I guess that clears up the whole discussion right there guys, close the thread mods! And thank you kindly sir for your incredibly intelligent post! :D
I'm really hoping you're a troll now.
He said when the war on drugs started it was heavily supported by the likes of Reagan and the KKK (I have no opinion on that statement). He did not say that anyone that says weed should be illegal is a member of the KKK.
Basically you called him an idiot, on a point that wasn't even the main crux of his argument, and then misinterpreted that one point anyway, while proceeding to ignore any of the other relevant statements he made. GW.
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On September 21 2012 09:25 knOxStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 09:16 UrsusRex wrote:
I want weed legalized so we can shut down the prison system in the US. We have 25% of the worlds prisoners the majority of whom are held solely on drug charges. They are kept imprisoned so that police and prison guards who are the most powerful union and lobbysists in our country can continue to have more jobs paid for by the US taxpayer. This is costing us billions each year and we now spend more to incarcerate drug users than on public education in the state of California where I live. Its why the rest of the world laughs at America when we talk about justice and freedom. The nation with the most prisoners on Earth is not free or just.
The fact is marijuana laws are created so the US can have political prisoners. Even when it started the drug war was heavily supported by the KKK and Richard Nixon because they could use it to demonize blacks and anti war protestors. There is no logical reason to keep marijuana legal unless you support oppression by the US government against those who have the least. So let me get this straight... If someone is opposed to making weed legal they then must be supporting the KKK and must be completely against "people who have the least" (homeless people?). Well I guess that clears up the whole discussion right there guys, close the thread mods! And thank you kindly sir for your incredibly intelligent post! :D
that's not what his post said, you didn't get it straight... you are ridiculing your own ridiculous interpretation of his post.
i think the closing line is a bit out there, and i need to think a bit to understand it (even though i probably agree with it), but the rest i think i can get behind. i think the motives behind these unlogical mariujana laws are political / financial.
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This thread is fucking sad. The misinformation being thrown around as fact makes me feel a little sick to my stomach that people seriously believe this trash.
WEED IS FUCKING AMAZING, NOBODY HAS DIED FROM SMOKING WEED IN HUMAN HISTORY.
Can people please do their own research using actual studies and real information? Not just spew out garbage that the media spreads?
I've smoked weed for around 5 years, people in my family have smoked weed for well over 30 years, one of which is a doctor who was the best and most loved doctor in the entire community.
I wanna test the waters real quick, who here still thinks "weed kills braincells"?
That test was conducted in this manner. Scientists paid by pharma companies attached gas masks to monkeys, and turned on the smoke. After a period long enough for the lack of oxygen to kill the monkey, they removed the masks and concluded that weed kills brain cells.
Seriously how fucking blind can people be? WE HAVE THE INTERNET. USE IT FOR FUCKS SAKE.
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On September 21 2012 09:38 N3rV[Green] wrote:
This thread is fucking sad. The misinformation being thrown around as fact makes me feel a little sick to my stomach that people seriously believe this trash.
WEED IS FUCKING AMAZING, NOBODY HAS DIED FROM SMOKING WEED IN HUMAN HISTORY.
Can people please do their own research using actual studies and real information? Not just spew out garbage that the media spreads?
I've smoked weed for around 5 years, people in my family have smoked weed for well over 30 years, one of which is a doctor who was the best and most loved doctor in the entire community.
I wanna test the waters real quick, who here still thinks "weed kills braincells"?
That test was conducted in this manner. Scientists paid by pharma companies attached gas masks to monkeys, and turned on the smoke. After a period long enough for the lack of oxygen to kill the monkey, they removed the masks and concluded that weed kills brain cells.
Seriously how fucking blind can people be? WE HAVE THE INTERNET. USE IT FOR FUCKS SAKE.
Got a source for that 'experiment'?
Also I see a lot of 'weed is good rarara' statements - but other than saving money and the decriminalization of it (is what should happen, not merely make it legal).
What else are the positive side effects?
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