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On September 21 2012 05:05 FlyingToilet wrote:
I love how the op posted different articles that were totally biased and against each other in their views of marijuana legalization, it needs to be legalized though because of how agriculturally important it is to our economy!
Weed has nothing to do with agriculture. That is hemp, they're entirely different. Just to clear that up 
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On September 08 2012 06:29 Rassy wrote:
is coke realy 200-400/gram in china?
Of course your iq drops from smoking weed,it realy does not make one smarter.
Though we have such a huge surplus in brain capacity that this should not realy have a major impact on most people.
People who are extremely intelligent and who have a verry high level of consiousness will notice it though.
Everytime you smoke weed your level of consiousness drops a tiny bit to never return.
Ive smoked pot all my life, Im blazing fast in anything regarding math and heavy logic and Im a CIO(Chief Information Officer), a position filled with heavy duty logic, analysis, staff handling, programming and cutting edge technology.
I have no idea who told you those things, but you have them to thank for your terrible misguidance, I know my parents and people around me have similar thoughts and opinions, and all of them come from the news or cultural believes running in the family, not facts.
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addiction to weed is addiction by mentality. There is no real physical addiction to it. Your body doesn't go off and show signs of withdrawal symptoms. It is like an alcoholic. They have the ability to stop but mentality they are not "strong" enough to do so. A sex addict is also relevant to this.
Also who the...what the fuck makes you think you are a better driver or a better operator behind a machinery while under the influence?? There have been so many tests and researches on the affects of weed on motor skills that I don't even...
+ Show Spoiler +On September 08 2012 03:57 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:53 Xiphos wrote:On September 08 2012 03:29 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 21:34 Pulimuli wrote:On September 07 2012 18:13 zanga wrote:On September 07 2012 14:47 J_Slim wrote:
My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causin no harm, it shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you're causin no harm, then you're alright with me Strictly looking at physical effects on the body while being high (and not behavioural resolving around obsession around weed to so speak): What if I get high, decide to drive my car somewhere and run over a 7 year old kid? I know, yes, alcohol is legal, but is it not bad to allow additional potentially fatal substances? Besides, weed is much more potent and acts directly compared to alcohol (which usually tries to make you throw up first). It's NOT a harmless! If you smoke weed and drive your car you're an idiot who deserves to be punished. Same with drinking and driving  i enjoy driving high, especially on long drives that are 1+ hours. i've had 3 close calls while i'm high, which none of it were my fault and i was able to avoid an accident due to my reaction. to say weed can cause accident isn't 100% accurate i think, it still largely depends on the driver. i think i can safely say i'm a better driver than the average drivers (i do track days, autox, and often enjoy driving on mountain roads) and i'm very aware of my limits. there are times where i'm too high to drive and i dont drive, i cool off before i do but a small toke to help me enjoy my music makes the overall long drive more enjoyable. its really about responsibility and not being stupid. txt'ing and driving is multiple times more dangerous. buddy, you gotta stop man being high hinders your reaction time by a huge amount. yeha you may examine things at faster rate but all of your blood flows is going to centered around your brain. there won't be ample left for the rest of the body. and the nerves would fail you at close encounters. Theres several researches that tried proving weed hampers your driving skills and reaction times, most of them only proved that compared to people who drink alcohol, and to people who dont use any substance at all, weed has less car accidents. The reason is that while high, you feel you are going fucking fast at like 40 MPH, instead of doing stupid stuff because your senses have been "hampered", the weed high sort of naturally adjusts your motor skills to your new sense of perception and reaction, causing a lot less accidents, because the user is driving more safely, even tho he is high. Of course this is an average, done on a lot of people, I myself have been involved in a car accident while high, but I believe it was 100% my fault and not weeds, fault, I have ADHD and it makes me more than twice as likely to be involved in accidents by lack of proper reaction time. Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:53 PanN wrote:On September 08 2012 03:49 D10 wrote:
Driving while high is imprudent, but i agree that it doesnt negatively impact performance, but it might make you more propense to make some mistakes you would make anyways, so watch out! Doesn't make any sense but sure man. Also, just curious. Would you rather drive on a highway to work every single day that contains 100% sober people, or 100% people really high on weed? I would much rather drive in one where 100% of the people are high on weed, would make them much more calm, and people wouldnt feel like they are in a rush to get where they want to be, making traffic smoother and safer.
Too lazy to find the source but you can quote me off of my forensic anthro professor:
They did a test on pilots. For a week they did a simulation and they, obviously, scored highly on it. Afterwards they smoke some weed and while high attempted to the simulation again. Guess what, they scored terribly on it. And here is the kicker, even after a couple of days of being sober (i.e came down from being high) they were asked if they could obtain the same or near sober score. In confidence they stated yes except they couldn't. It showed that even after being sober for a couple of days their motor skills were still affected by the weed. It wasn't until after a substantial amount of time were they able to obtain their original sober score.
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On September 21 2012 05:07 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:05 FlyingToilet wrote:
I love how the op posted different articles that were totally biased and against each other in their views of marijuana legalization, it needs to be legalized though because of how agriculturally important it is to our economy! Weed has nothing to do with agriculture. That is hemp, they're entirely different. Just to clear that up
It's just different strains of the plant, female strains are the ones that are frowned upon, hemp is weed that just doesn't have THC in it. As far as i am concerned its still the same plant...
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On September 21 2012 05:09 Nihilnovi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 06:29 Rassy wrote:
is coke realy 200-400/gram in china?
Of course your iq drops from smoking weed,it realy does not make one smarter.
Though we have such a huge surplus in brain capacity that this should not realy have a major impact on most people.
People who are extremely intelligent and who have a verry high level of consiousness will notice it though.
Everytime you smoke weed your level of consiousness drops a tiny bit to never return. Ive smoked pot all my life, Im blazing fast in anything regarding math and heavy logic and Im a CIO(Chief Information Officer), a position filled with heavy duty logic, analysis, staff handling, programming and cutting edge technology. I have no idea who told you those things, but you have them to thank for your terrible misguidance, I know my parents and people around me have similar thoughts and opinions, and all of them come from the news or cultural believes running in the family, not facts.
I would like to second this. I have been smoking pot, except for the 5 months I spent in China, for 7 years now. I got a job not too long ago as a Financial Analyst at a Fortune 500 company. (I had to lay off for a few weeks to pass the drug test, no side effects at all.) I'm faster than almost everyone else in the Finance department running pivot tables, spreadsheets, etc. I might be a weed user, but imo thats much better than being a caffeine and/or tobacco user, which most of my co-workers are. Yet, I arrive to work before most of them and am able to stay alert throughout the day more easily. Despite this, the company drug tests for weed, but doesn't care about caffeine or tobacco. Its a double standard and its time for it to stop.
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On September 21 2012 08:20 TheFish7 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:09 Nihilnovi wrote:On September 08 2012 06:29 Rassy wrote:
is coke realy 200-400/gram in china?
Of course your iq drops from smoking weed,it realy does not make one smarter.
Though we have such a huge surplus in brain capacity that this should not realy have a major impact on most people.
People who are extremely intelligent and who have a verry high level of consiousness will notice it though.
Everytime you smoke weed your level of consiousness drops a tiny bit to never return. Ive smoked pot all my life, Im blazing fast in anything regarding math and heavy logic and Im a CIO(Chief Information Officer), a position filled with heavy duty logic, analysis, staff handling, programming and cutting edge technology. I have no idea who told you those things, but you have them to thank for your terrible misguidance, I know my parents and people around me have similar thoughts and opinions, and all of them come from the news or cultural believes running in the family, not facts. I would like to second this. I have been smoking pot, except for the 5 months I spent in China, for 7 years now. I got a job not too long ago as a Financial Analyst at a Fortune 500 company. (I had to lay off for a few weeks to pass the drug test, no side effects at all.) I'm faster than almost everyone else in the Finance department running pivot tables, spreadsheets, etc. I might be a weed user, but imo thats much better than being a caffeine and/or tobacco user, which most of my co-workers are. Yet, I arrive to work before most of them and am able to stay alert throughout the day more easily. Despite this, the company drug tests for weed, but doesn't care about caffeine or tobacco. Its a double standard and its time for it to stop.
You work for them, play by their rules. You obviously were aware of the drug testing before you started, so quit your whining. If you want a work environment that allows you to smoke weed, find a different employer.
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Cause Number of deaths resulting (millions per year)
7.8 Hypertension
5.0 Smoking tobacco
3.9 High cholesterol
3.8 Malnutrition
3.0 Sexually transmitted diseases
2.8 Poor diet
2.5 Overweight and obesity
2.0 Physical inactivity
1.9 Alcohol
1.8 Indoor air pollution from solid fuels
1.6 Unsafe water and poor sanitation from wiki
Forget everything about the reasons for legalizing it, the DOUBLE STANDARD is what drives me crazy. How can those that support the illegality or marijuana continue to support the legailty of alcohol and tobacco? Corrupt bastards run by the corporations.
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Of course people that smoke weed will Want it legalized lol. Weed is the door to other drugs whether people like to think so or not, it stinks, it's bad for you, and it will lead to more deaths if legalized. But as long as people don't smoke it in my face or close to me like fucking cigs then I don't care at all.
And ffs the people who say they want to take more control away from the government are being a little ridiculous. The government can be downright retarded at times but the average person is pretty fucking retarded aswell so the government having control over the population is required
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On September 21 2012 08:32 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Of course people that smoke weed will Want it legalized lol. Weed is the door to other drugs whether people like to think so or not, it stinks, it's bad for you, and it will lead to more deaths if legalized. But as long as people don't smoke it in my face or close to me like fucking cigs then I don't care at all.
And ffs the people who say they want to take more control away from the government are being a little ridiculous. The government can be downright retarded at times but the average person is pretty fucking retarded aswell so the government having control over the population is required
The only reason marijuana is more a gateway drug than alcohol is the fact that it is illegal, therefore marginalizing otherwise harmless members of society into consorting with criminals who peddle in far harder drugs (which can not be monitored, i.e lacing drugs).
Alcohol is a mind altering drug, don't keep trying to forget that fact. People do far more crazy shit while under the influence of booze than weed.
And no I haven't smoked weed for the last 2 years. (due to sporting reasons). Plenty of respectable, productive people I know smoke marijuana responsibly, much like I know many people who can have a couple glasses of wine every night and not have it affect their day to day lives.
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On September 21 2012 08:30 calderon wrote:Cause Number of deaths resulting (millions per year)
7.8 Hypertension
5.0 Smoking tobacco
3.9 High cholesterol
3.8 Malnutrition
3.0 Sexually transmitted diseases
2.8 Poor diet
2.5 Overweight and obesity
2.0 Physical inactivity
1.9 Alcohol
1.8 Indoor air pollution from solid fuels
1.6 Unsafe water and poor sanitation from wiki Forget everything about the reasons for legalizing it, the DOUBLE STANDARD is what drives me crazy. How can those that support the illegality or marijuana continue to support the legailty of alcohol and tobacco? Corrupt bastards run by the corporations.
They're trying to get rid of tobacco consumption as much as they can, but making alcohol illegal?! lol you really think they can do that at this point? Their logic for keeping weed illegal is probably "why add another way for people to hurt themselves and kill others in car accidents. not to mention the backlash from adults (the voters)." It just isn't something I think they'll ever end up doing.
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I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed.
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This thread should be closed, someone could actually die of stupidity.
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On September 08 2012 14:32 Rassy wrote:Canabis addiction definatly is a real thing, and yes it is kinda funny to see how misinformed some people are. The effects of canabis are still greatly underestimated by the majority. Slowly more and more research is beeing done (from wich alot in the netherlands) and the more research is done, the more dangerous canabis apears to be. The number of people looking for professional help with their canabis adiction has been rising fast over the past years in the netherlands,as the dangers of,and adiction canabis becomes more well known. In 2010 there where 10.000 people getting professional threatment for their canabis adiction according to jelinek institute (one of the manny institues in the netherlands wich deals with adiction), this on an estimated totall of 400k frequent users (this last estimate is way to low btw) It is estimated that 10% of current users (in the netherlands) is adicted to canabis, this is a higher pecentage for example then the percentage of alcohol users beeing adicted to alcohol (wish is estimated at ~ 8%) I can link alot of sites with scientific research to proove this and manny more of the dangerous effects of canabis but unfortunatly it all is in dutch, so not verry usefull here. for dutch users who like to know more and want to use less: http://pauwenwitteman.vara.nl/uploads/media/Stoppen_met_blowen.pdf
You do know that Sugar and Coffee are both more addictive than Cannabis... I think the "misinformed" people are people in the minority you sit within.
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/addiction/addiction_journal1.shtml
I almost want to shove my face into my keyboard while reading your post... By your logic we need to rip coffee right out of those coffee shops, that shit is more addictive. Wait wait wait hold the phone, Coffee has minor negative effects that would be ludicrous, marijuana has 100s of negative effects... like... like... well... Well it actually hasn't killed anyone yet but its still dangerous, it um... it kills brain cells! wait no, that was proven false and it was the monkeys brain cells dying from being hooked to a gas mask for 5 minutes 3 times a day for 30 days and suffering from lack of oxygen so that's not the case.
On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed.
I think it is because you need something to compare it too. I can say that smoking marijuana is less addictive than coffee (studies do show this) and it has no solid negative effects while having positive health effects (medical marijuana is marijuana, no difference). There is a study circulating that it may cause schizophrenia if consumed prior to 16 but that is not proven and challenged heavily by Swedish and American doctors (it was a British study).
So although I agree saying "this is not as bad as that, don't ban it" may come off as a weak argument, but the idea of "freedom" is that we can do what we want with our bodies, marijuana other then the "smell" has zero effect on the people around, it is NOT dangerous (no second hand smoke) where alcohol counts for around 90+ thousand deaths per year just in the states, a lot in drunk driving accidents killing innocent people.
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On September 21 2012 08:35 calderon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:32 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Of course people that smoke weed will Want it legalized lol. Weed is the door to other drugs whether people like to think so or not, it stinks, it's bad for you, and it will lead to more deaths if legalized. But as long as people don't smoke it in my face or close to me like fucking cigs then I don't care at all.
And ffs the people who say they want to take more control away from the government are being a little ridiculous. The government can be downright retarded at times but the average person is pretty fucking retarded aswell so the government having control over the population is required The only reason marijuana is more a gateway drug than alcohol is the fact that it is illegal, therefore marginalizing otherwise harmless members of society into consorting with criminals who peddle in far harder drugs (which can not be monitored, i.e lacing drugs). Alcohol is a mind altering drug, don't keep trying to forget that fact. People do far more crazy shit while under the influence of booze than weed. And no I haven't smoked weed for the last 2 years. (due to sporting reasons). Plenty of respectable, productive people I know smoke marijuana responsibly, much like I know many people who can have a couple glasses of wine every night and not have it affect their day to day lives.
What's your point? just because people do it responsibly doesn't mean others don't. And I never said alcohol is any safer or better for you than weed.
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Thing is, the laws should be to guide the morale views of the public. When the law is more and more conflicted with public perception, this is where problem arises. Due you think prohibition of marijuana is effective? Is it working?
Think about why prohibition of alcohol didn't work. People kept consuming it illegally. Why? The mere fact it was illegal did not stop many people.
My point is that by fighting something that is clearly seen as OK by a large proportion of the public (especially the younger generations) is fruitless. Just as prohibition of tobacco WOULD NOT WORK. where other methods such as campaigning and education on its adverse health effects, and heavy taxes have been shown to be effective. Think about how the public perception on smoking has changed, most people think of it as a disgusting habit. This is how you curb the use of substances, not criminalizing it.
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On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed.
What i'm trying to show is, why do people have such apathy to alcohol (a nothing can be done about it) attitude, yet are so vehemently opposed to legalizing marijuana, when prohibition has CLEARLY failed to curb usage.
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On September 21 2012 08:42 calderon wrote:
Thing is, the laws should be to guide the morale views of the public. When the law is more and more conflicted with public perception, this is where problem arises. Due you think prohibition of marijuana is effective? Is it working?
Think about why prohibition of alcohol didn't work. People kept consuming it illegally. Why? The mere fact it was illegal did not stop many people.
My point is that by fighting something that is clearly seen as OK by a large proportion of the public (especially the younger generations) is fruitless.
Oh so because people keep doing something that's illegal the government should legalize it? What if the the general public suddenly decided it was OK to murder other people? Legalize that shit, the public demands it! Lol give me a break.
And why do you say "especially the younger generations". The younger generations should be ignored when it comes to things like this. And before you call me an old man or some shit, I'm part of the younger generations, something I become more and more embarrased about every day.
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On September 21 2012 08:32 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Weed is the door to other drugs whether people like to think so or not
"A 2010 study published in the Journal of Health and Social Behavior found that the main factors in users moving on to other drugs were age, wealth, unemployment status, and psychological stress. The study found there is no "gateway theory" and that drug use is more closely tied to a person's life situation, although cannabis users are more likely to use other drugs"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100902073507.htm
On September 21 2012 08:54 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:39 NeMeSiS3 wrote: On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. I think it is because you need something to compare it too. I can say that smoking marijuana is less addictive than coffee (studies do show this) and it has no solid negative effects while having positive health effects (medical marijuana is marijuana, no difference). There is a study circulating that it may cause schizophrenia if consumed prior to 16 but that is not proven and challenged heavily by Swedish and American doctors (it was a British study). So although I agree saying "this is not as bad as that, don't ban it" may come off as a weak argument, but the idea of "freedom" is that we can do what we want with our bodies, marijuana other then the "smell" has zero effect on the people around, it is NOT dangerous (no second hand smoke) where alcohol counts for around 90+ thousand deaths per year just in the states, a lot in drunk driving accidents killing innocent people. Well i wouldnt say not dangerous as driving under influence of weed im sure dose cause accidents, no where as many but it still dose. Personally im not against legalizing weed but first you have to solve these issues. 1. How do you prevent minors of getting using weed. 2. How do we make sure that people only buy legal and not fund crime/terror. 3. How do we prevent people from becoming mentally addicted (ie; limit amount someone can smoke). 4. Prevent driving under influence or smoking at work etc. 5. Screen people to make sure it wont trigger mental issues (weed can trigger mental conditions in those that have a history or are at high risk) Once you solve all these you then have to find a way legalize weed globally (or say in all western countries) so that you dont have all the issues of Amsterdam and prevent smuggling/crime/drug tourism. Just due to this i dont see it happening despite alot of places in the world dont really care about individuel smokers.
replace the word weed with alcohol.
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On September 21 2012 08:39 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. I think it is because you need something to compare it too. I can say that smoking marijuana is less addictive than coffee (studies do show this) and it has no solid negative effects while having positive health effects (medical marijuana is marijuana, no difference). There is a study circulating that it may cause schizophrenia if consumed prior to 16 but that is not proven and challenged heavily by Swedish and American doctors (it was a British study). So although I agree saying "this is not as bad as that, don't ban it" may come off as a weak argument, but the idea of "freedom" is that we can do what we want with our bodies, marijuana other then the "smell" has zero effect on the people around, it is NOT dangerous (no second hand smoke) where alcohol counts for around 90+ thousand deaths per year just in the states, a lot in drunk driving accidents killing innocent people.
Well i wouldnt say not dangerous as driving under influence of weed im sure dose cause accidents, no where as many but it still dose.
Personally im not against legalizing weed but first you have to solve these issues.
1. How do you prevent minors of getting using weed.
2. How do we make sure that people only buy legal and not fund crime/terror.
3. How do we prevent people from becoming mentally addicted (ie; limit amount someone can smoke).
4. Prevent driving under influence or smoking at work etc.
5. Screen people to make sure it wont trigger mental issues (weed can trigger mental conditions in those that have a history or are at high risk)
Once you solve all these you then have to find a way legalize weed globally (or say in all western countries) so that you dont have all the issues of Amsterdam and prevent smuggling/crime/drug tourism.
Just due to this i dont see it happening despite alot of places in the world dont really care about individuel smokers.
On September 21 2012 08:47 calderon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:38 Goozen wrote:
I really dont understand the whole "alcohol is worse for your so we should legalize weed" point. If anything its a argument to= outlaw alcohol not legalize weed. What i'm trying to show is, why do people have such apathy to alcohol (a nothing can be done about it) attitude, yet are so vehemently opposed to legalizing marijuana, when prohibition has CLEARLY failed to curb usage.
The fact it failed to curb usage dosnt mean it was a bad thing, could be it was just done wrong.
Also you will always have issues trying to make something outlawed once it was legal for so long and any indavidual can make alcohol for himself.
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On September 21 2012 08:51 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:32 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Weed is the door to other drugs whether people like to think so or not "A 2010 study published in the Journal of Health and Social Behavior found that the main factors in users moving on to other drugs were age, wealth, unemployment status, and psychological stress. The study found there is no "gateway theory" and that drug use is more closely tied to a person's life situation, although cannabis users are more likely to use other drugs" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100902073507.htm
I stand corrected! And I think it's great, however, it doesn't change the reasons much that weed will most likely stay illegal in most places.
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