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I'd support marijuana to be legal with government controlling it and with taxes etc like alchohol and tobacco.
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On September 07 2012 21:34 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 18:13 zanga wrote:On September 07 2012 14:47 J_Slim wrote:
My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causin no harm, it shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you're causin no harm, then you're alright with me Strictly looking at physical effects on the body while being high (and not behavioural resolving around obsession around weed to so speak): What if I get high, decide to drive my car somewhere and run over a 7 year old kid? I know, yes, alcohol is legal, but is it not bad to allow additional potentially fatal substances? Besides, weed is much more potent and acts directly compared to alcohol (which usually tries to make you throw up first). It's NOT a harmless! If you smoke weed and drive your car you're an idiot who deserves to be punished. Same with drinking and driving
i enjoy driving high, especially on long drives that are 1+ hours.
i've had 3 close calls while i'm high, which none of it were my fault and i was able to avoid an accident due to my reaction. to say weed can cause accident isn't 100% accurate i think, it still largely depends on the driver. i think i can safely say i'm a better driver than the average drivers (i do track days, autox, and often enjoy driving on mountain roads) and i'm very aware of my limits. there are times where i'm too high to drive and i dont drive, i cool off before i do but a small toke to help me enjoy my music makes the overall long drive more enjoyable. its really about responsibility and not being stupid.
txt'ing and driving is multiple times more dangerous.
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On September 08 2012 03:29 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 21:34 Pulimuli wrote:On September 07 2012 18:13 zanga wrote:On September 07 2012 14:47 J_Slim wrote:
My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causin no harm, it shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you're causin no harm, then you're alright with me Strictly looking at physical effects on the body while being high (and not behavioural resolving around obsession around weed to so speak): What if I get high, decide to drive my car somewhere and run over a 7 year old kid? I know, yes, alcohol is legal, but is it not bad to allow additional potentially fatal substances? Besides, weed is much more potent and acts directly compared to alcohol (which usually tries to make you throw up first). It's NOT a harmless! If you smoke weed and drive your car you're an idiot who deserves to be punished. Same with drinking and driving i enjoy driving high, especially on long drives that are 1+ hours. i've had 3 close calls while i'm high, which none of it were my fault and i was able to avoid an accident due to my reaction. to say weed can cause accident isn't 100% accurate i think, it still largely depends on the driver. i think i can safely say i'm a better driver than the average drivers (i do track days, autox, and often enjoy driving on mountain roads) and i'm very aware of my limits. there are times where i'm too high to drive and i dont drive, i cool off before i do but a small toke to help me enjoy my music makes the overall long drive more enjoyable. its really about responsibility and not being stupid. txt'ing and driving is multiple times more dangerous.
Not a good idea. sad that someone has to tell you that.
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Driving while high is imprudent, but i agree that it doesnt negatively impact performance, but it might make you more propense to make some mistakes you would make anyways, so watch out!
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On September 08 2012 03:49 D10 wrote:
Driving while high is imprudent, but i agree that it doesnt negatively impact performance, but it might make you more propense to make some mistakes you would make anyways, so watch out!
Doesn't make any sense but sure man. Also, just curious. Would you rather drive on a highway to work every single day that contains 100% sober people, or 100% people really high on weed?
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On September 08 2012 03:29 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 21:34 Pulimuli wrote:On September 07 2012 18:13 zanga wrote:On September 07 2012 14:47 J_Slim wrote:
My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causin no harm, it shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you're causin no harm, then you're alright with me Strictly looking at physical effects on the body while being high (and not behavioural resolving around obsession around weed to so speak): What if I get high, decide to drive my car somewhere and run over a 7 year old kid? I know, yes, alcohol is legal, but is it not bad to allow additional potentially fatal substances? Besides, weed is much more potent and acts directly compared to alcohol (which usually tries to make you throw up first). It's NOT a harmless! If you smoke weed and drive your car you're an idiot who deserves to be punished. Same with drinking and driving i enjoy driving high, especially on long drives that are 1+ hours. i've had 3 close calls while i'm high, which none of it were my fault and i was able to avoid an accident due to my reaction. to say weed can cause accident isn't 100% accurate i think, it still largely depends on the driver. i think i can safely say i'm a better driver than the average drivers (i do track days, autox, and often enjoy driving on mountain roads) and i'm very aware of my limits. there are times where i'm too high to drive and i dont drive, i cool off before i do but a small toke to help me enjoy my music makes the overall long drive more enjoyable. its really about responsibility and not being stupid. txt'ing and driving is multiple times more dangerous.
buddy, you gotta stop man
being high hinders your reaction time by a huge amount. yeha you may examine things at faster rate but all of your blood flows is going to centered around your brain. there won't be ample left for the rest of the body. and the nerves would fail you at close encounters.
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On September 08 2012 03:53 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:29 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 21:34 Pulimuli wrote:On September 07 2012 18:13 zanga wrote:On September 07 2012 14:47 J_Slim wrote:
My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causin no harm, it shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you're causin no harm, then you're alright with me Strictly looking at physical effects on the body while being high (and not behavioural resolving around obsession around weed to so speak): What if I get high, decide to drive my car somewhere and run over a 7 year old kid? I know, yes, alcohol is legal, but is it not bad to allow additional potentially fatal substances? Besides, weed is much more potent and acts directly compared to alcohol (which usually tries to make you throw up first). It's NOT a harmless! If you smoke weed and drive your car you're an idiot who deserves to be punished. Same with drinking and driving i enjoy driving high, especially on long drives that are 1+ hours. i've had 3 close calls while i'm high, which none of it were my fault and i was able to avoid an accident due to my reaction. to say weed can cause accident isn't 100% accurate i think, it still largely depends on the driver. i think i can safely say i'm a better driver than the average drivers (i do track days, autox, and often enjoy driving on mountain roads) and i'm very aware of my limits. there are times where i'm too high to drive and i dont drive, i cool off before i do but a small toke to help me enjoy my music makes the overall long drive more enjoyable. its really about responsibility and not being stupid. txt'ing and driving is multiple times more dangerous. buddy, you gotta stop man being high hinders your reaction time by a huge amount. yeha you may examine things at faster rate but all of your blood flows is going to centered around your brain. there won't be ample left for the rest of the body. and the nerves would fail you at close encounters.
Theres several researches that tried proving weed hampers your driving skills and reaction times, most of them only proved that compared to people who drink alcohol, and to people who dont use any substance at all, weed has less car accidents.
The reason is that while high, you feel you are going fucking fast at like 40 MPH, instead of doing stupid stuff because your senses have been "hampered", the weed high sort of naturally adjusts your motor skills to your new sense of perception and reaction, causing a lot less accidents, because the user is driving more safely, even tho he is high.
Of course this is an average, done on a lot of people, I myself have been involved in a car accident while high, but I believe it was 100% my fault and not weeds, fault, I have ADHD and it makes me more than twice as likely to be involved in accidents by lack of proper reaction time.
On September 08 2012 03:53 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:49 D10 wrote:
Driving while high is imprudent, but i agree that it doesnt negatively impact performance, but it might make you more propense to make some mistakes you would make anyways, so watch out! Doesn't make any sense but sure man. Also, just curious. Would you rather drive on a highway to work every single day that contains 100% sober people, or 100% people really high on weed?
I would much rather drive in one where 100% of the people are high on weed, would make them much more calm, and people wouldnt feel like they are in a rush to get where they want to be, making traffic smoother and safer.
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On September 08 2012 03:57 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:53 Xiphos wrote:On September 08 2012 03:29 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 21:34 Pulimuli wrote:On September 07 2012 18:13 zanga wrote:On September 07 2012 14:47 J_Slim wrote:
My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causin no harm, it shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you're causin no harm, then you're alright with me Strictly looking at physical effects on the body while being high (and not behavioural resolving around obsession around weed to so speak): What if I get high, decide to drive my car somewhere and run over a 7 year old kid? I know, yes, alcohol is legal, but is it not bad to allow additional potentially fatal substances? Besides, weed is much more potent and acts directly compared to alcohol (which usually tries to make you throw up first). It's NOT a harmless! If you smoke weed and drive your car you're an idiot who deserves to be punished. Same with drinking and driving i enjoy driving high, especially on long drives that are 1+ hours. i've had 3 close calls while i'm high, which none of it were my fault and i was able to avoid an accident due to my reaction. to say weed can cause accident isn't 100% accurate i think, it still largely depends on the driver. i think i can safely say i'm a better driver than the average drivers (i do track days, autox, and often enjoy driving on mountain roads) and i'm very aware of my limits. there are times where i'm too high to drive and i dont drive, i cool off before i do but a small toke to help me enjoy my music makes the overall long drive more enjoyable. its really about responsibility and not being stupid. txt'ing and driving is multiple times more dangerous. buddy, you gotta stop man being high hinders your reaction time by a huge amount. yeha you may examine things at faster rate but all of your blood flows is going to centered around your brain. there won't be ample left for the rest of the body. and the nerves would fail you at close encounters. Theres several researches that tried proving weed hampers your driving skills and reaction times, most of them only proved that compared to people who drink alcohol, and to people who dont use any substance at all, weed has less car accidents. The reason is that while high, you feel you are going fucking fast at like 40 MPH, instead of doing stupid stuff because your senses have been "hampered", the weed high sort of naturally adjusts your motor skills to your new sense of perception and reaction, causing a lot less accidents, because the user is driving more safely, even tho he is high. Of course this is an average, done on a lot of people, I myself have been involved in a car accident while high, but I believe it was 100% my fault and not weeds, fault, I have ADHD and it makes me more than twice as likely to be involved in accidents by lack of proper reaction time. Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:53 PanN wrote:On September 08 2012 03:49 D10 wrote:
Driving while high is imprudent, but i agree that it doesnt negatively impact performance, but it might make you more propense to make some mistakes you would make anyways, so watch out! Doesn't make any sense but sure man. Also, just curious. Would you rather drive on a highway to work every single day that contains 100% sober people, or 100% people really high on weed? I would much rather drive in one where 100% of the people are high on weed, would make them much more calm, and people wouldnt feel like they are in a rush to get where they want to be, making traffic smoother and safer.
Then I deem you insane. I'd give you an official certificate or something, but I'm not good at photoshop.
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On September 08 2012 03:59 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:57 D10 wrote:On September 08 2012 03:53 Xiphos wrote:On September 08 2012 03:29 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 21:34 Pulimuli wrote:On September 07 2012 18:13 zanga wrote:On September 07 2012 14:47 J_Slim wrote:
My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causin no harm, it shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you're causin no harm, then you're alright with me Strictly looking at physical effects on the body while being high (and not behavioural resolving around obsession around weed to so speak): What if I get high, decide to drive my car somewhere and run over a 7 year old kid? I know, yes, alcohol is legal, but is it not bad to allow additional potentially fatal substances? Besides, weed is much more potent and acts directly compared to alcohol (which usually tries to make you throw up first). It's NOT a harmless! If you smoke weed and drive your car you're an idiot who deserves to be punished. Same with drinking and driving i enjoy driving high, especially on long drives that are 1+ hours. i've had 3 close calls while i'm high, which none of it were my fault and i was able to avoid an accident due to my reaction. to say weed can cause accident isn't 100% accurate i think, it still largely depends on the driver. i think i can safely say i'm a better driver than the average drivers (i do track days, autox, and often enjoy driving on mountain roads) and i'm very aware of my limits. there are times where i'm too high to drive and i dont drive, i cool off before i do but a small toke to help me enjoy my music makes the overall long drive more enjoyable. its really about responsibility and not being stupid. txt'ing and driving is multiple times more dangerous. buddy, you gotta stop man being high hinders your reaction time by a huge amount. yeha you may examine things at faster rate but all of your blood flows is going to centered around your brain. there won't be ample left for the rest of the body. and the nerves would fail you at close encounters. Theres several researches that tried proving weed hampers your driving skills and reaction times, most of them only proved that compared to people who drink alcohol, and to people who dont use any substance at all, weed has less car accidents. The reason is that while high, you feel you are going fucking fast at like 40 MPH, instead of doing stupid stuff because your senses have been "hampered", the weed high sort of naturally adjusts your motor skills to your new sense of perception and reaction, causing a lot less accidents, because the user is driving more safely, even tho he is high. Of course this is an average, done on a lot of people, I myself have been involved in a car accident while high, but I believe it was 100% my fault and not weeds, fault, I have ADHD and it makes me more than twice as likely to be involved in accidents by lack of proper reaction time. On September 08 2012 03:53 PanN wrote:On September 08 2012 03:49 D10 wrote:
Driving while high is imprudent, but i agree that it doesnt negatively impact performance, but it might make you more propense to make some mistakes you would make anyways, so watch out! Doesn't make any sense but sure man. Also, just curious. Would you rather drive on a highway to work every single day that contains 100% sober people, or 100% people really high on weed? I would much rather drive in one where 100% of the people are high on weed, would make them much more calm, and people wouldnt feel like they are in a rush to get where they want to be, making traffic smoother and safer. Then I deem you insane. I'd give you an official certificate or something, but I'm not good at photoshop.
What qualification do you have to make that assessment ?
See this is exacly the problem, yall act like you know better for no reason other than "im not druging myself" when dont even know enough to know what that really means
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On September 08 2012 03:57 D10 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 08 2012 03:53 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:29 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 21:34 Pulimuli wrote:On September 07 2012 18:13 zanga wrote:On September 07 2012 14:47 J_Slim wrote:
My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causin no harm, it shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you're causin no harm, then you're alright with me Strictly looking at physical effects on the body while being high (and not behavioural resolving around obsession around weed to so speak): What if I get high, decide to drive my car somewhere and run over a 7 year old kid? I know, yes, alcohol is legal, but is it not bad to allow additional potentially fatal substances? Besides, weed is much more potent and acts directly compared to alcohol (which usually tries to make you throw up first). It's NOT a harmless! If you smoke weed and drive your car you're an idiot who deserves to be punished. Same with drinking and driving i enjoy driving high, especially on long drives that are 1+ hours. i've had 3 close calls while i'm high, which none of it were my fault and i was able to avoid an accident due to my reaction. to say weed can cause accident isn't 100% accurate i think, it still largely depends on the driver. i think i can safely say i'm a better driver than the average drivers (i do track days, autox, and often enjoy driving on mountain roads) and i'm very aware of my limits. there are times where i'm too high to drive and i dont drive, i cool off before i do but a small toke to help me enjoy my music makes the overall long drive more enjoyable. its really about responsibility and not being stupid. txt'ing and driving is multiple times more dangerous. buddy, you gotta stop man being high hinders your reaction time by a huge amount. yeha you may examine things at faster rate but all of your blood flows is going to centered around your brain. there won't be ample left for the rest of the body. and the nerves would fail you at close encounters. Theres several researches that tried proving weed hampers your driving skills and reaction times, most of them only proved that compared to people who drink alcohol, and to people who dont use any substance at all, weed has less car accidents. The reason is that while high, you feel you are going fucking fast at like 40 MPH, instead of doing stupid stuff because your senses have been "hampered", the weed high sort of naturally adjusts your motor skills to your new sense of perception and reaction, causing a lot less accidents, because the user is driving more safely, even tho he is high. Of course this is an average, done on a lot of people, I myself have been involved in a car accident while high, but I believe it was 100% my fault and not weeds, fault, I have ADHD and it makes me more than twice as likely to be involved in accidents by lack of proper reaction time. On September 08 2012 03:53 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:49 D10 wrote:
Driving while high is imprudent, but i agree that it doesnt negatively impact performance, but it might make you more propense to make some mistakes you would make anyways, so watch out! Doesn't make any sense but sure man. Also, just curious. Would you rather drive on a highway to work every single day that contains 100% sober people, or 100% people really high on weed? I would much rather drive in one where 100% of the people are high on weed, would make them much more calm, and people wouldnt feel like they are in a rush to get where they want to be, making traffic smoother and safer.
I completely agree. When I am sober I can be kind of a dick on the road speeding, rushing through yellow lights, not stooping at stop signs. But, when I am high I just take it easy. Time is of no concern to me and a fellow driver would have to do something exceedingly stupid to get a rise out of me. I usually have a bad case of road rage.
Also 40Mph does fell like 100Mph when I am stoned. lol
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Regardless, driving while high will always be illegal.
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On September 08 2012 04:02 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:59 PanN wrote:On September 08 2012 03:57 D10 wrote:On September 08 2012 03:53 Xiphos wrote:On September 08 2012 03:29 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 21:34 Pulimuli wrote:On September 07 2012 18:13 zanga wrote:On September 07 2012 14:47 J_Slim wrote:
My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causin no harm, it shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you're causin no harm, then you're alright with me Strictly looking at physical effects on the body while being high (and not behavioural resolving around obsession around weed to so speak): What if I get high, decide to drive my car somewhere and run over a 7 year old kid? I know, yes, alcohol is legal, but is it not bad to allow additional potentially fatal substances? Besides, weed is much more potent and acts directly compared to alcohol (which usually tries to make you throw up first). It's NOT a harmless! If you smoke weed and drive your car you're an idiot who deserves to be punished. Same with drinking and driving i enjoy driving high, especially on long drives that are 1+ hours. i've had 3 close calls while i'm high, which none of it were my fault and i was able to avoid an accident due to my reaction. to say weed can cause accident isn't 100% accurate i think, it still largely depends on the driver. i think i can safely say i'm a better driver than the average drivers (i do track days, autox, and often enjoy driving on mountain roads) and i'm very aware of my limits. there are times where i'm too high to drive and i dont drive, i cool off before i do but a small toke to help me enjoy my music makes the overall long drive more enjoyable. its really about responsibility and not being stupid. txt'ing and driving is multiple times more dangerous. buddy, you gotta stop man being high hinders your reaction time by a huge amount. yeha you may examine things at faster rate but all of your blood flows is going to centered around your brain. there won't be ample left for the rest of the body. and the nerves would fail you at close encounters. Theres several researches that tried proving weed hampers your driving skills and reaction times, most of them only proved that compared to people who drink alcohol, and to people who dont use any substance at all, weed has less car accidents. The reason is that while high, you feel you are going fucking fast at like 40 MPH, instead of doing stupid stuff because your senses have been "hampered", the weed high sort of naturally adjusts your motor skills to your new sense of perception and reaction, causing a lot less accidents, because the user is driving more safely, even tho he is high. Of course this is an average, done on a lot of people, I myself have been involved in a car accident while high, but I believe it was 100% my fault and not weeds, fault, I have ADHD and it makes me more than twice as likely to be involved in accidents by lack of proper reaction time. On September 08 2012 03:53 PanN wrote:On September 08 2012 03:49 D10 wrote:
Driving while high is imprudent, but i agree that it doesnt negatively impact performance, but it might make you more propense to make some mistakes you would make anyways, so watch out! Doesn't make any sense but sure man. Also, just curious. Would you rather drive on a highway to work every single day that contains 100% sober people, or 100% people really high on weed? I would much rather drive in one where 100% of the people are high on weed, would make them much more calm, and people wouldnt feel like they are in a rush to get where they want to be, making traffic smoother and safer. Then I deem you insane. I'd give you an official certificate or something, but I'm not good at photoshop. What qualification do you have to make that assessment ? See this is exacly the problem, yall act like you know better for no reason other than "im not druging myself" when dont even know enough to know what that really means
Thats what the current education system does to the lesser minded. They all take it in without critic whatsoever.
I agree with the driving thing. I've tried it with low doses and its as u said, nevertheless I rather stay in peace'n'quiet while im stoned ^__^
AND on the topic. It SHOULD be legalized. Currently most of the people has to buy impure stuff from street which grows the black market and drug business in general.
Im glad I live in a a nation its "almost legal" due to low penalties.
P.S Dont bring up the "Gateway-Theory", it has been proved false multiple times.
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aaaah imba,imba world.terrible.
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On September 08 2012 04:15 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Regardless, driving while high will always be illegal.
100% agree, but weed allows you to enjoy the moment of driving, while usually you are pissed and wanting to get whenever you wanna get fast, getting pissed at traffic, dumb drivers, dumb pedestrians, dumb politicians, etc.
On September 08 2012 04:19 Ultrablue wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 04:02 D10 wrote:On September 08 2012 03:59 PanN wrote:On September 08 2012 03:57 D10 wrote:On September 08 2012 03:53 Xiphos wrote:On September 08 2012 03:29 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 21:34 Pulimuli wrote:On September 07 2012 18:13 zanga wrote:On September 07 2012 14:47 J_Slim wrote:
My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causin no harm, it shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you're causin no harm, then you're alright with me Strictly looking at physical effects on the body while being high (and not behavioural resolving around obsession around weed to so speak): What if I get high, decide to drive my car somewhere and run over a 7 year old kid? I know, yes, alcohol is legal, but is it not bad to allow additional potentially fatal substances? Besides, weed is much more potent and acts directly compared to alcohol (which usually tries to make you throw up first). It's NOT a harmless! If you smoke weed and drive your car you're an idiot who deserves to be punished. Same with drinking and driving i enjoy driving high, especially on long drives that are 1+ hours. i've had 3 close calls while i'm high, which none of it were my fault and i was able to avoid an accident due to my reaction. to say weed can cause accident isn't 100% accurate i think, it still largely depends on the driver. i think i can safely say i'm a better driver than the average drivers (i do track days, autox, and often enjoy driving on mountain roads) and i'm very aware of my limits. there are times where i'm too high to drive and i dont drive, i cool off before i do but a small toke to help me enjoy my music makes the overall long drive more enjoyable. its really about responsibility and not being stupid. txt'ing and driving is multiple times more dangerous. buddy, you gotta stop man being high hinders your reaction time by a huge amount. yeha you may examine things at faster rate but all of your blood flows is going to centered around your brain. there won't be ample left for the rest of the body. and the nerves would fail you at close encounters. Theres several researches that tried proving weed hampers your driving skills and reaction times, most of them only proved that compared to people who drink alcohol, and to people who dont use any substance at all, weed has less car accidents. The reason is that while high, you feel you are going fucking fast at like 40 MPH, instead of doing stupid stuff because your senses have been "hampered", the weed high sort of naturally adjusts your motor skills to your new sense of perception and reaction, causing a lot less accidents, because the user is driving more safely, even tho he is high. Of course this is an average, done on a lot of people, I myself have been involved in a car accident while high, but I believe it was 100% my fault and not weeds, fault, I have ADHD and it makes me more than twice as likely to be involved in accidents by lack of proper reaction time. On September 08 2012 03:53 PanN wrote:On September 08 2012 03:49 D10 wrote:
Driving while high is imprudent, but i agree that it doesnt negatively impact performance, but it might make you more propense to make some mistakes you would make anyways, so watch out! Doesn't make any sense but sure man. Also, just curious. Would you rather drive on a highway to work every single day that contains 100% sober people, or 100% people really high on weed? I would much rather drive in one where 100% of the people are high on weed, would make them much more calm, and people wouldnt feel like they are in a rush to get where they want to be, making traffic smoother and safer. Then I deem you insane. I'd give you an official certificate or something, but I'm not good at photoshop. What qualification do you have to make that assessment ? See this is exacly the problem, yall act like you know better for no reason other than "im not druging myself" when dont even know enough to know what that really means Thats what the current education system does to the lesser minded. They all take it in without critic whatsoever. I agree with the driving thing. I've tried it with low doses and its as u said, nevertheless I rather stay in peace'n'quiet while im stoned ^__^ AND on the topic. It SHOULD be legalized. Currently most of the people has to buy impure stuff from street which grows the black market and drug business in general. Im glad I live in a a nation its "almost legal" due to low penalties. P.S Dont bring up the "Gateway-Theory", it has been proved false multiple times.
We should make a google docs file dubunking all the standard crap people post in these kinds of threads and everyone just goes to that quotes it and pwns them =P
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About legalization, think about it this way (im gonna say some stuff like im full of knowledge because well ... I am, psychology student and currently an intern in a really high end neuroscience lab, working daily with other scientists with multiple PHDs and whatnots, so im more informed than your average joe, I made some essays about weed, addiction, social consequences, approaches, etc..
What is morality ? These values that give society a barometer to what is "correct" ?
These are created and shaped by the middle class, the middle class of a country shapes totally what is legal and whatnot, it can easily create public pressure towards something.
The rich literaly do whatever the hell they want, they have money enough to buy themselves the infrastructure they need to create their little kingdoms where anything they want can be legal (sometimes creating disturbing and wicked shit, but lets stick to the weed angle for now), and therefore doesnt serve as a reference to the rest of society at all, because in the minds of the middle class, people who are rich are in a position to do whatever the hell they want, and as such some value judgement begins.
Its middle class, the culture (at least the one that has been decaying over the last decades) was very much sided towards the averageness of society, people who are not that pretty, nor famous, nor rich, nor with lots of lovers, nor tons of enjoyable idle moments, etc...
Most people didnt go out at night to get drunk at random places with random people and listen to loud music, or drink alcohol, etc... etc...
The culture of the middle class was based on working hard, doing your duty, obeying the law, dont get in trouble, raise children, keep the clan strong, drugs can create embarassing situations, and an embarassament for someone was an embarassment for the whole family. Specially since knowledge of how the human body and mind worked was lame to say the least.
The poor are left on the gutter, with little means to live life as the middle class and even lesser means to achieve what the rich people have, unless they go all out amoral.
Nowdays the different forms of media allowed people to exchange knowledge where before they would be hindered by authorities. The goverment behaves like a blind octopuss made of gold that the politicians harvest and manipulate to serve their interest, most people want to believe what they have been told, they dont want to go thro the mental process of having to better judge and evaluate the people around them, and theres always that nagging feeling in the back of said "avg joe's" mind saying.
"If I choose to believe that yeah, weed probably could be legal and we as a society would handle it easy, then im now a pariah, im gonna be marginalized, and ridicularized as I have done so many people! Not only that but my whole world view will be expanded because if I choose to believe all these guys that kept reinforcing this beliefs were incorrect all along, wouldnt that mean that a shitfuckton of stuff I took for granted was bullshit, what the hell is going on ?"
Beliefs are almost like habits, they are fucking though to kill, regardless of the source
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On September 08 2012 03:53 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:29 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 21:34 Pulimuli wrote:On September 07 2012 18:13 zanga wrote:On September 07 2012 14:47 J_Slim wrote:
My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causin no harm, it shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you're causin no harm, then you're alright with me Strictly looking at physical effects on the body while being high (and not behavioural resolving around obsession around weed to so speak): What if I get high, decide to drive my car somewhere and run over a 7 year old kid? I know, yes, alcohol is legal, but is it not bad to allow additional potentially fatal substances? Besides, weed is much more potent and acts directly compared to alcohol (which usually tries to make you throw up first). It's NOT a harmless! If you smoke weed and drive your car you're an idiot who deserves to be punished. Same with drinking and driving i enjoy driving high, especially on long drives that are 1+ hours. i've had 3 close calls while i'm high, which none of it were my fault and i was able to avoid an accident due to my reaction. to say weed can cause accident isn't 100% accurate i think, it still largely depends on the driver. i think i can safely say i'm a better driver than the average drivers (i do track days, autox, and often enjoy driving on mountain roads) and i'm very aware of my limits. there are times where i'm too high to drive and i dont drive, i cool off before i do but a small toke to help me enjoy my music makes the overall long drive more enjoyable. its really about responsibility and not being stupid. txt'ing and driving is multiple times more dangerous. buddy, you gotta stop man being high hinders your reaction time by a huge amount. yeha you may examine things at faster rate but all of your blood flows is going to centered around your brain. there won't be ample left for the rest of the body. and the nerves would fail you at close encounters.
I see people post studies about this all of the time, but I have yet to get in a car accident while I'm stoned. And I've come close a few times, but my reaction time was just fine. When I say close though, I don't mean it was inches, I mean I probably could have reacted later.
I'm curious how they do these studies, because I actually have never heard a story about someone getting stoned then getting in a wreck. I'm sure it's similar to how they prove that if you smoke weed, you'll get lung cancer though - which is smoking something like 20 or 30 joints a day. Any weed smoker knows that smoking 20 or 30 joints a day means two things:
A. You're retarded and smoke 20 to 30 joints a day and are trying to escape from something
or
B. You're still retarded because you're probably not smoking them correctly.
I think when people post things that generalize about a person being affected this way or that way by something, they don't realize that it's a generalization. Just because weed has the ability to slow down someone's reaction time to something does not guarantee it does for everyone. There might be studies were they see that a majority of people in the study reacted a certain way, but that's not representation of EVERYBODY, just people in the study.
Also, I would be curious to know if the people in this thread who are against marijuana have even tried it - or at least more than once. Because from a lot of the responses, a lot of you are straight up ignorant about this subject. A lot of you are ignorant about humans in general, it seems.
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Alcohol and cigaretts are legal -> legalize dat shit, why should people go to prison for it, and why should criminals and gangs be able to make millions by growing and selling it illegaly?
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On September 08 2012 04:47 D10 wrote:
About legalization, think about it this way (im gonna say some stuff like im full of knowledge because well ... I am, psychology student and currently an intern in a really high end neuroscience lab, working daily with other scientists with multiple PHDs and whatnots, so im more informed than your average joe, I made some essays about weed, addiction, social consequences, approaches, etc..
What is morality ? These values that give society a barometer to what is "correct" ?
These are created and shaped by the middle class, the middle class of a country shapes totally what is legal and whatnot, it can easily create public pressure towards something.
The rich literaly do whatever the hell they want, they have money enough to buy themselves the infrastructure they need to create their little kingdoms where anything they want can be legal (sometimes creating disturbing and wicked shit, but lets stick to the weed angle for now), and therefore doesnt serve as a reference to the rest of society at all, because in the minds of the middle class, people who are rich are in a position to do whatever the hell they want, and as such some value judgement begins.
Its middle class, the culture (at least the one that has been decaying over the last decades) was very much sided towards the averageness of society, people who are not that pretty, nor famous, nor rich, nor with lots of lovers, nor tons of enjoyable idle moments, etc...
Most people didnt go out at night to get drunk at random places with random people and listen to loud music, or drink alcohol, etc... etc...
The culture of the middle class was based on working hard, doing your duty, obeying the law, dont get in trouble, raise children, keep the clan strong, drugs can create embarassing situations, and an embarassament for someone was an embarassment for the whole family. Specially since knowledge of how the human body and mind worked was lame to say the least.
The poor are left on the gutter, with little means to live life as the middle class and even lesser means to achieve what the rich people have, unless they go all out amoral.
Nowdays the different forms of media allowed people to exchange knowledge where before they would be hindered by authorities. The goverment behaves like a blind octopuss made of gold that the politicians harvest and manipulate to serve their interest, most people want to believe what they have been told, they dont want to go thro the mental process of having to better judge and evaluate the people around them, and theres always that nagging feeling in the back of said "avg joe's" mind saying.
"If I choose to believe that yeah, weed probably could be legal and we as a society would handle it easy, then im now a pariah, im gonna be marginalized, and ridicularized as I have done so many people! Not only that but my whole world view will be expanded because if I choose to believe all these guys that kept reinforcing this beliefs were incorrect all along, wouldnt that mean that a shitfuckton of stuff I took for granted was bullshit, what the hell is going on ?"
Beliefs are almost like habits, they are fucking though to kill, regardless of the source
Good post.
I've also noticed, that eventhought you actually acknowledge, that you think of something in a wrong way, it takes a good while to get out of it.
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On September 08 2012 04:02 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:59 PanN wrote:On September 08 2012 03:57 D10 wrote:On September 08 2012 03:53 Xiphos wrote:On September 08 2012 03:29 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 21:34 Pulimuli wrote:On September 07 2012 18:13 zanga wrote:On September 07 2012 14:47 J_Slim wrote:
My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causin no harm, it shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you're causin no harm, then you're alright with me Strictly looking at physical effects on the body while being high (and not behavioural resolving around obsession around weed to so speak): What if I get high, decide to drive my car somewhere and run over a 7 year old kid? I know, yes, alcohol is legal, but is it not bad to allow additional potentially fatal substances? Besides, weed is much more potent and acts directly compared to alcohol (which usually tries to make you throw up first). It's NOT a harmless! If you smoke weed and drive your car you're an idiot who deserves to be punished. Same with drinking and driving i enjoy driving high, especially on long drives that are 1+ hours. i've had 3 close calls while i'm high, which none of it were my fault and i was able to avoid an accident due to my reaction. to say weed can cause accident isn't 100% accurate i think, it still largely depends on the driver. i think i can safely say i'm a better driver than the average drivers (i do track days, autox, and often enjoy driving on mountain roads) and i'm very aware of my limits. there are times where i'm too high to drive and i dont drive, i cool off before i do but a small toke to help me enjoy my music makes the overall long drive more enjoyable. its really about responsibility and not being stupid. txt'ing and driving is multiple times more dangerous. buddy, you gotta stop man being high hinders your reaction time by a huge amount. yeha you may examine things at faster rate but all of your blood flows is going to centered around your brain. there won't be ample left for the rest of the body. and the nerves would fail you at close encounters. Theres several researches that tried proving weed hampers your driving skills and reaction times, most of them only proved that compared to people who drink alcohol, and to people who dont use any substance at all, weed has less car accidents. The reason is that while high, you feel you are going fucking fast at like 40 MPH, instead of doing stupid stuff because your senses have been "hampered", the weed high sort of naturally adjusts your motor skills to your new sense of perception and reaction, causing a lot less accidents, because the user is driving more safely, even tho he is high. Of course this is an average, done on a lot of people, I myself have been involved in a car accident while high, but I believe it was 100% my fault and not weeds, fault, I have ADHD and it makes me more than twice as likely to be involved in accidents by lack of proper reaction time. On September 08 2012 03:53 PanN wrote:On September 08 2012 03:49 D10 wrote:
Driving while high is imprudent, but i agree that it doesnt negatively impact performance, but it might make you more propense to make some mistakes you would make anyways, so watch out! Doesn't make any sense but sure man. Also, just curious. Would you rather drive on a highway to work every single day that contains 100% sober people, or 100% people really high on weed? I would much rather drive in one where 100% of the people are high on weed, would make them much more calm, and people wouldnt feel like they are in a rush to get where they want to be, making traffic smoother and safer. Then I deem you insane. I'd give you an official certificate or something, but I'm not good at photoshop. What qualification do you have to make that assessment ? See this is exacly the problem, yall act like you know better for no reason other than "im not druging myself" when dont even know enough to know what that really means
Get off your serious horse, its just a joke obviously.
I'm not really sure what your 2nd statement means, but I'll go ahead and say this. I love marijuana. I also like having as clear of a mind as possible while operating a vehicle that can kill people, I think thats being pretty responsible. I'd feel horrible for the rest of my life if I hurt someone while driving high, the question of "what if I wasn't high while driving that day" would eat at me forever.
I don't think weed helps me drive better, you may think it helps you drive better and if it does for you thats great. I still think its irresponsible.
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