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bLzPostman
Profile Joined September 2011
New Zealand82 Posts
September 02 2012 03:57 GMT
#81
Should it be legalized? Yes. Will it be legalized? No.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 03:59:40
September 02 2012 03:57 GMT
#82
And IQ have been proven to be a subpar way of measuring intelligence. Sorta like BMI is with weight.

While there's no question that there isn't a perfect way to measure "intelligence," which could be any number of traits like memory, problem solving, language ability, or logical reasoning, IQ is still a reasonably good measure of intelligence. Although it should be taken with a grain of salt, 8 points is actually a pretty big deal.
On September 02 2012 12:55 HunterX11 wrote:
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On September 02 2012 12:53 TheSwedishFan wrote:
On September 02 2012 12:35 JacobShock wrote:
On September 02 2012 12:27 TheSwedishFan wrote:
I don't know how it is in the US. But here in Sweden it wouldn't make any sense to legalize. It's a drug that acts as a gateway drug and makes you a lazy loser that doesn't contribute to the society. Well that's that the goverment tells you. I've watched the documentary and it very much pro cannabis so i would recommend everyone to take it with a spoon of salt. Matter of fact is that pro cannabis people almost always comes off as people and is blind to the negative sides of the drug. Often times i hear "oh, that's what the goverment wants you to believe" and "Weed has no negative effects, it the perfect drug".
It's really hard to take those people seriously.
There have been countless researches that have proven that teens that smoke have a lower IQ then non cannabis smokers. Thats because it interfers with the brains development. I've tried the drug but didn't like it because it made me lazy and unproductive. I dont think that those conditions are what makes a world evolve.


alcohol destroys lives and makes people lazy, is that alcohols fault or the person who drinks too much? And from what I've read there are many strands of Marijuana, some that expands your creativity and depth of thought and some that makes you hungry and silly. If you want to abuse the hungry and silly drug to the extend that it ruins your life, then you're an idiot. Simple as that.

And IQ have been proven to be a subpar way of measuring intelligence. Sorta like BMI is with weight.

No offence, but this is what i mean when i say that people are blind to the negative sides of cannabis. They always bring up alcohol, just leave it out of the argument. If alcohol would be a new thing it would never be legal. It's just that it's so tied with our culture that we cant get rid without a war almost. Do we really need to have another drug that will do no good? Answer is of course: No, we dont.
Well numbers dont lie so you cant say that smoking cannabis at a yearly age doesn't affect you. And lower numbers in this case is not very good.


Maybe in Sweden people don't smoke weed, but America they ARE fighting a figurative war (albeit with real guns) on marijuana and it's still not going anywhere and is still socially acceptable by a large portion of the population.

EDIT: Alcohol is a bit of an unfair comparison perhaps because it is one of the most destructive drugs, but how about comparing marijuana to another drugs that's 1000x more dangerous, like Tylenol? I mean you don't even need a prescription to buy it! You don't even need to be 18 to buy it! And it is easy to obtain a lethally toxic amount of it!

But you can't even get high off tylenol, so nobody in their right mind would overdose unless attempting suicide or very young.
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
September 02 2012 04:00 GMT
#83
Sure, if we give it the cigarette treatment (insanely high taxes plus prohibition for people under 18). On top of that though, there would need to be EXTREMELY heavy penalties for smoking and driving. Like a month in prison for first offense heavy. That's not something people should have to deal with.
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 04:11:25
September 02 2012 04:06 GMT
#84
On September 02 2012 12:53 TheSwedishFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 12:35 JacobShock wrote:
On September 02 2012 12:27 TheSwedishFan wrote:
I don't know how it is in the US. But here in Sweden it wouldn't make any sense to legalize. It's a drug that acts as a gateway drug and makes you a lazy loser that doesn't contribute to the society. Well that's that the goverment tells you. I've watched the documentary and it very much pro cannabis so i would recommend everyone to take it with a spoon of salt. Matter of fact is that pro cannabis people almost always comes off as people and is blind to the negative sides of the drug. Often times i hear "oh, that's what the goverment wants you to believe" and "Weed has no negative effects, it the perfect drug".
It's really hard to take those people seriously.
There have been countless researches that have proven that teens that smoke have a lower IQ then non cannabis smokers. Thats because it interfers with the brains development. I've tried the drug but didn't like it because it made me lazy and unproductive. I dont think that those conditions are what makes a world evolve.


alcohol destroys lives and makes people lazy, is that alcohols fault or the person who drinks too much? And from what I've read there are many strands of Marijuana, some that expands your creativity and depth of thought and some that makes you hungry and silly. If you want to abuse the hungry and silly drug to the extend that it ruins your life, then you're an idiot. Simple as that.

And IQ have been proven to be a subpar way of measuring intelligence. Sorta like BMI is with weight.

No offence, but this is what i mean when i say that people are blind to the negative sides of cannabis. They always bring up alcohol, just leave it out of the argument. If alcohol would be a new thing it would never be legal. It's just that it's so tied with our culture that we cant get rid without a war almost. Do we really need to have another drug that will do no good? Answer is of course: No, we dont.
Well numbers dont lie so you cant say that smoking cannabis at a yearly age doesn't affect you. And lower numbers in this case is not very good.


None taken. But people use the alcohol arguement cause it's the most apparent. I could use a thousand others, how bout some thing as silly as fucking chocolate cake? And a drug that does no good? I don't know, but you seem to be just as blind on the other side of the fence if you are convinced that there are no positive effects from Marijuana use. There are tons. At least I'm willing to admit that there are possible negative effects from excessive marijuana use.But if you want to illegalize all things that could possibly be misused, then you'd end up living in a george orwell esque nightmare society and no one wants that. At least I hope not.
"Right on" - Morrow
Alvin853
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany149 Posts
September 02 2012 04:11 GMT
#85
Imo legalizing weed is a bit egoistic, while it may not be harmful for yourself, you are more likely to commit crimes or cause accidents while high.
It's the same thing with alcohol, but it's very easy to prove someone is drunk via blood test. So people are less likely to drive while drunk, because they know they will get tested if they cause an accident, and might get tested for no reason whatsoever, so it's a high risk with huge penalties (at least here in europe).
But it's hard to prove someone is high, or rather prove they are not high anymore even though they still have the substances in their body. It's either "you have to refrain from smoking weed for a couple of days if you want to drive a car", or accept people driving high all the time because they know it can't be proven that they're high.

Weed is a drug, in the medical sense, it can slow your reaction time, even alter your state of mind. People should not be using it outside of a safe location, and especially not expose others that may not want to be exposed to weed.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 04:19:22
September 02 2012 04:16 GMT
#86
Is it something particular to Sweden that people drink a lot yet are anti-drugs? I mean, drugs are dangerous, but with proper education and regulation it's relatively easy to get a culture with a healthy attitude towards drugs.

edit: obviously, almost everything you put into your body is a drug. Chocolate, alcohol, nicotine, sugar, coffee, aspirin, many kinds of homeopathic medicine, vitamins, all have effects on your brain. Sugar is more dangerous and addictive than marijuana.
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
September 02 2012 04:16 GMT
#87
Legalize and tax the shit out of it. Might help some people start legitimate businesses, and allow the government to collect some extra revenue. I really don't see what the big deal is - its pretty much accepted now that tobacco and alcohol are much worse for you and more addicting. Its a win/win, but change like that comes slowly.

I once read about five monkeys that were placed in a room with a banana at the top of a set of stairs. As one monkey attempted to climb the stairs, all of the monkeys were sprayed with jets of cold water. A second monkey made an attempt and again the monkeys were sprayed. No more monkeys attempted to climb the stairs. One of the monkeys was then removed from the room and replaced with a new monkey. New monkey saw the banana and started to climb the stairs but to its surprise, it was attacked by the other monkeys. Another of the original monkeys was replaced and the newcomer was also attacked when he attempted to climb the stairs. The previous newcomer took part in the punishment with enthusiasm. Replacing a third original monkey with a new one, it headed for the stairs and was attacked as well. Half of the monkeys that attacked him had no idea why. After replacing the fourth and fifth original monkeys, none had ever been sprayed with cold water but all stayed the fuck away from the stairs.

Pot smokers today are like the newest monkeys. Everyone attacks them, but noone has any idea why.
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urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
September 02 2012 04:17 GMT
#88
I feel as though I need to protect my right for the space in my backyard near my fence to not smell like ripe skunk. They need to make odorless weed, then I'll say go for it.
Who dat ninja?
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
September 02 2012 04:18 GMT
#89
Ideally all drugs should be legalized, along with a small sales tax on them
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
September 02 2012 04:19 GMT
#90
On September 02 2012 13:17 urashimakt wrote:
I feel as though I need to protect my right for the space in my backyard near my fence to not smell like ripe skunk. They need to make odorless weed, then I'll say go for it.

Yeah, seriously. I usually take the stairs to get in/out of my dorm and some days its just like... what the fuck happened here last night.
:)
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
September 02 2012 04:20 GMT
#91
On September 02 2012 13:18 thoradycus wrote:
Ideally all drugs should be legalized, along with a small sales tax on them

In this thread: People that don't actually know any real drug addicts.
Fallians
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada242 Posts
September 02 2012 04:22 GMT
#92
On September 02 2012 13:00 ampson wrote:
Sure, if we give it the cigarette treatment (insanely high taxes plus prohibition for people under 18). On top of that though, there would need to be EXTREMELY heavy penalties for smoking and driving. Like a month in prison for first offense heavy. That's not something people should have to deal with.


smoking and driving has been proven to not be as bad as people make it out to be.I would say have penalties similar to driving while drunk, maybe less severe.
http://norml.org/library/item/marijuana-and-driving-a-review-of-the-scientific-evidence
If you attack before 15minutes.. It's cheese....
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
September 02 2012 04:25 GMT
#93
On September 02 2012 13:16 TheFish7 wrote:
Legalize and tax the shit out of it. Might help some people start legitimate businesses, and allow the government to collect some extra revenue. I really don't see what the big deal is - its pretty much accepted now that tobacco and alcohol are much worse for you and more addicting. Its a win/win, but change like that comes slowly.


Because people will totally abandon their current supplier of weed, for the much more expensive and likely lower quality version.
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 04:31:53
September 02 2012 04:30 GMT
#94
On September 02 2012 13:25 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 13:16 TheFish7 wrote:
Legalize and tax the shit out of it. Might help some people start legitimate businesses, and allow the government to collect some extra revenue. I really don't see what the big deal is - its pretty much accepted now that tobacco and alcohol are much worse for you and more addicting. Its a win/win, but change like that comes slowly.


Because people will totally abandon their current supplier of weed, for the much more expensive and likely lower quality version.


In the states where it is legal, the medical marijuana dispensaries seem to be widely used. So yeah.
"Right on" - Morrow
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
September 02 2012 04:34 GMT
#95
On September 02 2012 13:20 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 13:18 thoradycus wrote:
Ideally all drugs should be legalized, along with a small sales tax on them

In this thread: People that don't actually know any real drug addicts.


How would legalizing drugs effect current addicts exactly? Your post is just useless. You should try explaining why you think that guys wrong instead of just posting a one liner garbage comment.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 04:46:20
September 02 2012 04:34 GMT
#96
A good legalization policy would look like this:

- You have licensed smartshops. These can sell herbal medicine, food supplements, tea and less dangerous drugs like cannabis, salvia, shrooms, dmt, mescaline, mdma, lsd.
- Access to these products with a card that you can get at your local government. This card costs a bit of money as a deterrent to start using drugs.
- An age limit of 21 years.
- You can only buy enough for personal use.
- Smartshops should by law be required to tell you of the dangers/risks associated with a certain substance. It should provide advise and contact points for people that need help for things like addiction. Properly educated people need to man these places.
- Drug use needs to be legal, there should not be a law that makes it a crime to eat or smoke something. Selling drugs outside of licensed smartshops should still be a crime.
- Smartshops should not be allowed to sell online, because you need to have the personal contact to force people to come in touch with the properly regulated atmosphere of the smartshop.
- There needs to be real education at schools about the reality of drug use. Not just scare tactics.
- Hard drugs like heroin should come with a prescription that shows you are an addict and you should be able to get them if you also frequent an anti-addiction center and get medical help.
- For the states rights people, states can still choose to not give out licenses and effectively ban sales of drugs in their area.

I think it could be done, it's all easy to implement. I would expect this to significantly reduce drug addiction, illegal crime, law enforcement costs and will help grow the economy.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
September 02 2012 04:36 GMT
#97
On September 02 2012 13:34 Grumbels wrote:
A good legalization policy would look like this:

- You have licensed smartshops. These can sell herbal medicine, food supplements, tea and less dangerous drugs like cannabis, salvia, shrooms, dmt, mescaline, mdma, lsd.
- Access to these products with a card that you can get at your local government. This card costs a bit of money as a deterrent to start using drugs.
- An age limit of 21 years.
- You can only buy enough for personal use.
- Smartshops should by law be required to tell you of the dangers/risks associated with a certain substance. It should provide advise and contact points for people that need help for things like addiction. Properly educated people need to man these places.
- Drug use needs to be legal, there should not be a law that makes it a crime to eat or smoke something. Selling drugs outside of licensed smartshops should still be a crime.
- Smartshops should not be allowed to sell online, because you need to have the personal contact to force people to come in touch with the properly regulated atmosphere of the smartshop.
- There needs to be real education at schools about the reality of drug use. Not just scare tactics.
- Hard drugs like heroin should come with a prescription that shows you are an addict and you should be able to get them if you also frequent an anti-addiction center and get medical help.
- For the states rights people, states can still choose to not give out licenses and effectively ban sales of drugs in their area.


amazing post
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rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
September 02 2012 04:38 GMT
#98
On September 02 2012 13:11 Alvin853 wrote:
Imo legalizing weed is a bit egoistic, while it may not be harmful for yourself, you are more likely to commit crimes or cause accidents while high.
It's the same thing with alcohol, but it's very easy to prove someone is drunk via blood test. So people are less likely to drive while drunk, because they know they will get tested if they cause an accident, and might get tested for no reason whatsoever, so it's a high risk with huge penalties (at least here in europe).
But it's hard to prove someone is high, or rather prove they are not high anymore even though they still have the substances in their body. It's either "you have to refrain from smoking weed for a couple of days if you want to drive a car", or accept people driving high all the time because they know it can't be proven that they're high.

Weed is a drug, in the medical sense, it can slow your reaction time, even alter your state of mind. People should not be using it outside of a safe location, and especially not expose others that may not want to be exposed to weed.


I'm pretty sure alcohol causes way, way, WAY more accidents and crime than weed ever will. It can be regulated, just like alcohol.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
September 02 2012 04:39 GMT
#99
There's really no reason why we should increase access to a substance that impairs judgement and greatly increase the dangers of driving and operating machinery.
Grokken
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden245 Posts
September 02 2012 04:42 GMT
#100
On September 02 2012 12:27 TheSwedishFan wrote:
I don't know how it is in the US. But here in Sweden it wouldn't make any sense to legalize. It's a drug that acts as a gateway drug and makes you a lazy loser that doesn't contribute to the society. Well that's that the goverment tells you. I've watched the documentary and it very much pro cannabis so i would recommend everyone to take it with a spoon of salt. Matter of fact is that pro cannabis people almost always comes off as people and is blind to the negative sides of the drug. Often times i hear "oh, that's what the goverment wants you to believe" and "Weed has no negative effects, it the perfect drug".
It's really hard to take those people seriously.
There have been researches that have proven that teens that smoke have a lower IQ then non cannabis smokers. Thats because it interfers with the brains development. I've tried the drug but didn't like it because it made me lazy and unproductive. I dont think that those conditions are what makes a world evolve.


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