EPTI dunno if that's a fair representation because I'd imagine that a lot of that list is mid-play elbows a la Malone/Isiah, and not just a flat out vicious cheap shot. Malone was a lot more skilled at making elbows look inadvertent.
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
I dunno if that's a fair representation because I'd imagine that a lot of that list is mid-play elbows a la Malone/Isiah, and not just a flat out vicious cheap shot. Malone was a lot more skilled at making elbows look inadvertent. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Banning him from the NBA is reaching. Comparing this incident with other players' transgressions is also wrong. Let the incident be judged solely in its' own context. | ||
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Zorkmid
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On April 23 2012 21:51 Ace wrote: I don't think using Artest's past behavior makes any sense here. I just thinking elbowing someone to the head calls for getting suspended at least a few games into the playoffs. What he did 8 years ago shouldn't factor into the punishment at all. Banning him from the NBA is reaching. Comparing this incident with other players' transgressions is also wrong. Let the incident be judged solely in its' own context. I agree with you that ideally this is how everything should be done, just like star players shouldn't get more foul calls...but that's just not how it works though. Most other leagues look at past behavior, the NHL for suspension length, the MLB has increasing penalties for past drug infractions, and TL mods look at your post history when determining how long to ban you. I would argue that in the 8 years that have past, Metta's reputation has recovered significantly...but he cracked Harden in the jaw for no apparent reason, what the fuck. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On April 23 2012 21:51 Ace wrote: I don't think using Artest's past behavior makes any sense here. I just thinking elbowing someone to the head calls for getting suspended at least a few games into the playoffs. What he did 8 years ago shouldn't factor into the punishment at all. Banning him from the NBA is reaching. Comparing this incident with other players' transgressions is also wrong. Let the incident be judged solely in its' own context. This is called not over reacting, please learn from this and dont over react.. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I don't think it was as bad as some punches and other things we've seen, but it's not a truly isolated incident. | ||
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xwoGworwaTsx
United States984 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Now i'm really not sure who the bigger meathead is out of Bynum and MWP | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On April 23 2012 23:18 Jibba wrote: I don't see why you wouldn't take his past history into consideration. The years of good behavior mitigate how much effect it should have, but nothing can ever erase it completely so it should always be considered when punishing for a violent outburst. I don't think it was as bad as some punches and other things we've seen, but it's not a truly isolated incident. I wouldn't say not to take it into consideration, but people saying that he's done shit in the past so he should be banned for this are overreacting. You consider that because of his past history it's more likely that Artest did this deliberately, but IMO you don't consider his past history and decide that this incident is the "last straw" and he can no longer play in the NBA. | ||
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awesumness15
United States34 Posts
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
Trying to mix up the discourse in this thread for the past 5+ pages... I find myself super mixed on the prospect of Lin winning the award while only playing less than 30 "real" games (with major minutes). Whereas Bynum took it to another level from the beginning of the season, or Ilyasova, or Roy Hibbert, or Rondo, or all of the other guys mentioned in the article who not only improved personally but improved their teams as well. But then again, I'm all for Linsanity, so.... really torn. :/ | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
On April 24 2012 07:12 SwizzY wrote: Lin NBA Most Improved Player? Trying to mix up the discourse in this thread for the past 5+ pages... I find myself super mixed on the prospect of Lin winning the award while only playing less than 30 "real" games (with major minutes). Whereas Bynum took it to another level from the beginning of the season, or Ilyasova, or Roy Hibbert, or Rondo, or all of the other guys mentioned in the article who not only improved personally but improved their teams as well. But then again, I'm all for Linsanity, so.... really torn. :/ I wouldn't give him that award because I believe that Ryan Anderson deserves it :shrug: | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/29718/sunday-win-over-oklahoma-city-strong-for-mike-brown an okay piece about something no one is talking about bc of the Artest thing. Brown has gotten scrutinized so much, but the truth is we are getting to the point where his attention to detail is about to pay off. He has experimented with different things as the season has gone on, sometimes resulting bad, but he definitely has done better when he plays teams for a second time and adjustments come into play. OKC last night was one, but it was also true against SAS a few games before that. With this being his first year in the western conference (and it being a short one), I actually think he is holding his own, and am intrigued to see how he adjusts in these playoffs. edit: btw you can't see it, but I am holding a 10-foot pole on the artest thing  | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
On April 23 2012 18:01 JiYan wrote: What standard has LA set for such behavior? That it is acceptable? The fact that LA fans applauded Ron Artest as he walked to the locker room and gave him high fives on his way out. except they didn't show the replay at staples center? harden has been known to be a massive flopper? it would be hard for the majority of fans to see what happened in real time. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On April 24 2012 07:40 MassHysteria wrote: If anything Lin should be in the running for best rookie, but we know he won't be getting that award. I don't see how he could win most improved when we have nothing to compare the present to(in professional b-ball that is). I am not on the Lin-hater train, I actually like the guy, I just don't think this award suits what he has done. It would kind of just be giving him something for all the media attention he has gotten. Except that he isn't a rookie. And he isn't better than Kyrie Irving. So he shouldn't win RoY. Considering that he played garbage time for the Warriors last year, and how he played this year I could see him being in the discussion. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On April 24 2012 09:52 nemY wrote: Except that he isn't a rookie. And he isn't better than Kyrie Irving. So he shouldn't win RoY. Considering that he played garbage time for the Warriors last year, and how he played this year I could see him being in the discussion. Yup, thats why I said we know he won't be getting that award...but fair enough. After more thought, I don't have a problem with it actually. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Sigh. | ||
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VENDIZ
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Edit: Sixers just clinched the 8th spot in the East! | ||
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