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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
April 23 2012 10:02 GMT
#6681
On April 23 2012 16:31 RowdierBob wrote:
From Adande:

Show nested quote +
Since we're fixated on visuals, the question that jumped into everyone's mind was how long will World Peace be suspended after his vicious elbow drew a flagrant-2 foul? According to this unofficial compilation of NBA fines and suspensions dating back to the 1994-95 season, elbow violations have been repeatedly subject to one- and two-game suspensions. Suspensions that last 10 games or more have generally been for punches thrown at players or fans. Or choking a coach. Or bringing guns into the locker room.


I dunno if that's a fair representation because I'd imagine that a lot of that list is mid-play elbows a la Malone/Isiah, and not just a flat out vicious cheap shot. Malone was a lot more skilled at making elbows look inadvertent.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 23 2012 12:51 GMT
#6682
I don't think using Artest's past behavior makes any sense here. I just thinking elbowing someone to the head calls for getting suspended at least a few games into the playoffs. What he did 8 years ago shouldn't factor into the punishment at all.

Banning him from the NBA is reaching. Comparing this incident with other players' transgressions is also wrong. Let the incident be judged solely in its' own context.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 13:20:59
April 23 2012 13:20 GMT
#6683
On April 23 2012 21:51 Ace wrote:
I don't think using Artest's past behavior makes any sense here. I just thinking elbowing someone to the head calls for getting suspended at least a few games into the playoffs. What he did 8 years ago shouldn't factor into the punishment at all.

Banning him from the NBA is reaching. Comparing this incident with other players' transgressions is also wrong. Let the incident be judged solely in its' own context.


I agree with you that ideally this is how everything should be done, just like star players shouldn't get more foul calls...but that's just not how it works though.

Most other leagues look at past behavior, the NHL for suspension length, the MLB has increasing penalties for past drug infractions, and TL mods look at your post history when determining how long to ban you.

I would argue that in the 8 years that have past, Metta's reputation has recovered significantly...but he cracked Harden in the jaw for no apparent reason, what the fuck.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
April 23 2012 13:42 GMT
#6684
On April 23 2012 21:51 Ace wrote:
I don't think using Artest's past behavior makes any sense here. I just thinking elbowing someone to the head calls for getting suspended at least a few games into the playoffs. What he did 8 years ago shouldn't factor into the punishment at all.

Banning him from the NBA is reaching. Comparing this incident with other players' transgressions is also wrong. Let the incident be judged solely in its' own context.


This is called not over reacting, please learn from this and dont over react..
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 23 2012 14:18 GMT
#6685
I don't see why you wouldn't take his past history into consideration. The years of good behavior mitigate how much effect it should have, but nothing can ever erase it completely so it should always be considered when punishing for a violent outburst.

I don't think it was as bad as some punches and other things we've seen, but it's not a truly isolated incident.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
xwoGworwaTsx
Profile Joined April 2012
United States984 Posts
April 23 2012 14:34 GMT
#6686
Ron Artest is and will always be a dumb idiot. Only someone like him would do something as stupid as that. Lol at his twitter saying he was just celebrating, as if he did not throw that elbow.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 15:33:45
April 23 2012 15:28 GMT
#6687
Kobe could teach Metta a few things about how to throw an 'unintentional' elbow



Now i'm really not sure who the bigger meathead is out of Bynum and MWP
Yhamm is the god of predictions
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
April 23 2012 16:04 GMT
#6688
On April 23 2012 23:18 Jibba wrote:
I don't see why you wouldn't take his past history into consideration. The years of good behavior mitigate how much effect it should have, but nothing can ever erase it completely so it should always be considered when punishing for a violent outburst.

I don't think it was as bad as some punches and other things we've seen, but it's not a truly isolated incident.

I wouldn't say not to take it into consideration, but people saying that he's done shit in the past so he should be banned for this are overreacting. You consider that because of his past history it's more likely that Artest did this deliberately, but IMO you don't consider his past history and decide that this incident is the "last straw" and he can no longer play in the NBA.
awesumness15
Profile Joined January 2008
United States34 Posts
April 23 2012 18:12 GMT
#6689
I'm a lot concerned with how Harden's health could affect Artest's likely suspension. If the bare minimum is suspending him for the first round, that isn't to say it's going to bring back Harden back to OKC. This really could affect the Thunder's playoff run.
AWESOMENESS=word of the century
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
April 23 2012 22:12 GMT
#6690
Lin NBA Most Improved Player?

Trying to mix up the discourse in this thread for the past 5+ pages...
I find myself super mixed on the prospect of Lin winning the award while only playing less than 30 "real" games (with major minutes).
Whereas Bynum took it to another level from the beginning of the season, or Ilyasova, or Roy Hibbert, or Rondo, or all of the other guys mentioned in the article who not only improved personally but improved their teams as well.

But then again, I'm all for Linsanity, so.... really torn. :/
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
ranshaked
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States870 Posts
April 23 2012 22:34 GMT
#6691
On April 24 2012 07:12 SwizzY wrote:
Lin NBA Most Improved Player?

Trying to mix up the discourse in this thread for the past 5+ pages...
I find myself super mixed on the prospect of Lin winning the award while only playing less than 30 "real" games (with major minutes).
Whereas Bynum took it to another level from the beginning of the season, or Ilyasova, or Roy Hibbert, or Rondo, or all of the other guys mentioned in the article who not only improved personally but improved their teams as well.

But then again, I'm all for Linsanity, so.... really torn. :/

I wouldn't give him that award because I believe that Ryan Anderson deserves it :shrug:
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 22:47:26
April 23 2012 22:40 GMT
#6692
If anything Lin should be in the running for best rookie, but we know he won't be getting that award. I don't see how he could win most improved when we have nothing to compare the present to(in professional b-ball that is). I am not on the Lin-hater train, I actually like the guy, I just don't think this award suits what he has done. It would kind of just be giving him something for all the media attention he has gotten.

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/29718/sunday-win-over-oklahoma-city-strong-for-mike-brown
an okay piece about something no one is talking about bc of the Artest thing. Brown has gotten scrutinized so much, but the truth is we are getting to the point where his attention to detail is about to pay off. He has experimented with different things as the season has gone on, sometimes resulting bad, but he definitely has done better when he plays teams for a second time and adjustments come into play. OKC last night was one, but it was also true against SAS a few games before that. With this being his first year in the western conference (and it being a short one), I actually think he is holding his own, and am intrigued to see how he adjusts in these playoffs.

edit: btw you can't see it, but I am holding a 10-foot pole on the artest thing
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 23 2012 22:44 GMT
#6693
He is good coach. Those asshats that keep calling for him to be fired don't know shit lol.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
April 23 2012 22:56 GMT
#6694
Brown strikes me as an excellent college coach type. He's decent with xs and os and managing a team. He's not Phil when it comes to dealing with prima donna personalities and he's not going to beat a Popovich or Rivers in a chess match. He didn't/couldn't deal with these things in Cleveland because Lebron is a blunt instrument, but I don't think we can expect the Lakers to coach themselves to a championship.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
April 23 2012 23:04 GMT
#6695
Ya I agree. He still lacks experience in dealing with personalities and a certain toughness needed. I have seen interviews of him being hounded by the LA media that have made me cringe a little, but he will get better at that type of thing. And I definitely agree he won't be beating Popovich in a chess match, although he has prob learned a thing or two from the man himself I would hope :p.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 23:40:44
April 23 2012 23:35 GMT
#6696
On April 23 2012 18:01 JiYan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 17:09 justinpal wrote:
Considering his terrible history and the standard LA has set in the past for such behavior he should be banned from the NBA. I want to hurry up the evolution of LA Lakers fans as quickly as possible. Maybe they can reach the level of chimpanzees by 2020!

What standard has LA set for such behavior? That it is acceptable?

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On April 23 2012 17:30 DystopiaX wrote:
I'll ignore the part about LA fans cause I'm from Chicago and not a Lakers fan at all. I also have no idea what Lakers fans have to do with Artest elbowing someone. As far as I can tell they didn't ask him to do it or anything.

The fact that LA fans applauded Ron Artest as he walked to the locker room and gave him high fives on his way out.


except they didn't show the replay at staples center? harden has been known to be a massive flopper? it would be hard for the majority of fans to see what happened in real time.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
April 24 2012 00:52 GMT
#6697
On April 24 2012 07:40 MassHysteria wrote:
If anything Lin should be in the running for best rookie, but we know he won't be getting that award. I don't see how he could win most improved when we have nothing to compare the present to(in professional b-ball that is). I am not on the Lin-hater train, I actually like the guy, I just don't think this award suits what he has done. It would kind of just be giving him something for all the media attention he has gotten.



Except that he isn't a rookie. And he isn't better than Kyrie Irving. So he shouldn't win RoY. Considering that he played garbage time for the Warriors last year, and how he played this year I could see him being in the discussion.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
April 24 2012 01:53 GMT
#6698
On April 24 2012 09:52 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 07:40 MassHysteria wrote:
If anything Lin should be in the running for best rookie, but we know he won't be getting that award. I don't see how he could win most improved when we have nothing to compare the present to(in professional b-ball that is). I am not on the Lin-hater train, I actually like the guy, I just don't think this award suits what he has done. It would kind of just be giving him something for all the media attention he has gotten.

Except that he isn't a rookie. And he isn't better than Kyrie Irving. So he shouldn't win RoY. Considering that he played garbage time for the Warriors last year, and how he played this year I could see him being in the discussion.

Yup, thats why I said we know he won't be getting that award...but fair enough. After more thought, I don't have a problem with it actually.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 24 2012 01:56 GMT
#6699
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/220653/Grunfeld_To_Remain_With_Wizards

Sigh.
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VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 02:00:40
April 24 2012 01:59 GMT
#6700
I think the most improved player has to be Bynum or Ilyasova.. I guess you could make a case for Ryan Anderson too (and if Pekovic had played more games this year he might have been a contender), but for me it's Bynum or Ilyasova

Edit: Sixers just clinched the 8th spot in the East!
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