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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On April 23 2012 11:14 [X]Ken_D wrote: Mentioning of the possible injury that Harden might substain from examples of other with head injuries. As I've pointed out, all he's said is that he's "seen head injuries before". I could say that. I could claim that I'm an expert in these matters. That doesn't make it true, especially with how vague that guy is being. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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ecstatica
United States542 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13365 Posts
On April 23 2012 11:09 [X]Ken_D wrote: Just how serious this is, EDIT: Nevermind. Read it as though the person was a nurse in the hospital. Ok, it was bad, but this is over the top. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On April 23 2012 10:27 Vindicare605 wrote: I think they just wanted to beat Minnesota even if it was against their best interest. That or Mark Jackson is just trying to save his job. B/c it's the god damn Warriors. The players may change, the superstars may change, the coaches may change, HELL the owner may even change, but in the end it's still the same ole Fucking Warriors. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
As for the Artest elbow, it's clearly an inexcusable act that deserves a severe penalty. I'm not sure how severe the punishment should be, but I think the issue is the potential for serious injury from such a blow and the league having an interest in making sure no player ever does it again. However, I do agree with those who are saying that it doesn't look like Artest was intending to take Harden out like that. Yes, the hit was not in any way related to playing basketball and Artest was clearly not just trying to get past Harden or push him aside. However, it looks like Artest got too fired up by his dunk and the moment, and lashed out in a terrible way in the heat of the moment. The physicality of the game probably contributed too. This isn't a situation where one player goes up to another to confront them and tries to punch/elbow/start a fight. I don't see any sign that Artest was thinking at all at that moment. It looks more like his brain was on fire or something and he just lashed out in the most primitive and visceral way possible. He did a terrible thing, but I don't think it looks like he intentionally attacked Harden or was targeting him. It looks more like Harden had the misfortune of getting in the way of an out-of-his-mind Artest who got too fired up. However, that's no excuse for the elbow and I wouldn't blame the league for handing out a penalty like missing the whole playoffs. Damn shame because he had come so far from the Malice in the Palace, and was just starting to play well again. | ||
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Man with a Plan
United States401 Posts
A person can change his name, but his true identity will remain constant. Disgusting. | ||
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Man with a Plan
United States401 Posts
On April 23 2012 12:55 XaI)CyRiC wrote: First of all, all this talk about how Lakers fans are all uninformed and biased is just stupid. There are good and bad members of every group of fans, there just happen to be a lot of Lakers fans in total so there are more idiots as well. I've seen uninformed and stupid posts/opinions from every group of fans. As for the Artest elbow, it's clearly an inexcusable act that deserves a severe penalty. I'm not sure how severe the punishment should be, but I think the issue is the potential for serious injury from such a blow and the league having an interest in making sure no player ever does it again. However, I do agree with those who are saying that it doesn't look like Artest was intending to take Harden out like that. Yes, the hit was not in any way related to playing basketball and Artest was clearly not just trying to get past Harden or push him aside. However, it looks like Artest got too fired up by his dunk and the moment, and lashed out in a terrible way in the heat of the moment. The physicality of the game probably contributed too. This isn't a situation where one player goes up to another to confront them and tries to punch/elbow/start a fight. I don't see any sign that Artest was thinking at all at that moment. It looks more like his brain was on fire or something and he just lashed out in the most primitive and visceral way possible. He did a terrible thing, but I don't think it looks like he intentionally attacked Harden or was targeting him. It looks more like Harden had the misfortune of getting in the way of an out-of-his-mind Artest who got too fired up. However, that's no excuse for the elbow and I wouldn't blame the league for handing out a penalty like missing the whole playoffs. Damn shame because he had come so far from the Malice in the Palace, and was just starting to play well again. I have to disagree. You have to take into consideration Artest's histoy. That elbow was thrown with bad intentions, and although Artest didn't seem to care where it hit, it does not deny the fact that he did throw that elbow. To aggravate that point, he didn't even look to check on Harden. It was a plain thug move that does not belong in the NBA. I understand the arguement that "he was celebrating a dunk and got fired up", but would Wade or Nash do that? There are sportsmanship standards to consider. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
Watching the longer footage again, it was "World Peace" walking into Harden. Not the other way around. Harden was in position to get receive inbound pass, then as "World Peace" was blindly walking into him, Harden had to have his arms up to shield himself. | ||
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Geosensation
United States256 Posts
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
On April 23 2012 12:55 XaI)CyRiC wrote: First of all, all this talk about how Lakers fans are all uninformed and biased is just stupid. There are good and bad members of every group of fans, there just happen to be a lot of Lakers fans in total so there are more idiots as well. I've seen uninformed and stupid posts/opinions from every group of fans. As for the Artest elbow, it's clearly an inexcusable act that deserves a severe penalty. I'm not sure how severe the punishment should be, but I think the issue is the potential for serious injury from such a blow and the league having an interest in making sure no player ever does it again. However, I do agree with those who are saying that it doesn't look like Artest was intending to take Harden out like that. Yes, the hit was not in any way related to playing basketball and Artest was clearly not just trying to get past Harden or push him aside. However, it looks like Artest got too fired up by his dunk and the moment, and lashed out in a terrible way in the heat of the moment. The physicality of the game probably contributed too. This isn't a situation where one player goes up to another to confront them and tries to punch/elbow/start a fight. I don't see any sign that Artest was thinking at all at that moment. It looks more like his brain was on fire or something and he just lashed out in the most primitive and visceral way possible. He did a terrible thing, but I don't think it looks like he intentionally attacked Harden or was targeting him. It looks more like Harden had the misfortune of getting in the way of an out-of-his-mind Artest who got too fired up. However, that's no excuse for the elbow and I wouldn't blame the league for handing out a penalty like missing the whole playoffs. Damn shame because he had come so far from the Malice in the Palace, and was just starting to play well again. Well said. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On April 23 2012 13:20 [X]Ken_D wrote: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iKxuxN_hYg&feature=player_embedded Watching the longer footage again, it was "World Peace" walking into Harden. Not the other way around. Harden was in position to get receive inbound pass, then as "World Peace" was blindly walking into him, Harden had to have his arms up to shield himself. Yeah because he's moving back into his side of the court...you make it sound like he's walking directly towards Harden to deliver an elbow to the face, which you can't draw from that video. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
I just watched the replay again..... Oooo.. My celebration of the dunk really was too much... Didn't even see James ..... Omg... Looks bad | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On April 23 2012 13:29 DystopiaX wrote: Yeah because he's moving back into his side of the court...you make it sound like he's walking directly towards Harden to deliver an elbow to the face, which you can't draw from that video. I didn't say "World Peace" was intentionally walking into Harden. That looks like an accident on part of "World Peace." Still, not only was it his fault, he elbowed the other guy as well. That's fucked up. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On April 23 2012 12:55 XaI)CyRiC wrote: First of all, all this talk about how Lakers fans are all uninformed and biased is just stupid. There are good and bad members of every group of fans, there just happen to be a lot of Lakers fans in total so there are more idiots as well. I've seen uninformed and stupid posts/opinions from every group of fans. As for the Artest elbow, it's clearly an inexcusable act that deserves a severe penalty. I'm not sure how severe the punishment should be, but I think the issue is the potential for serious injury from such a blow and the league having an interest in making sure no player ever does it again. However, I do agree with those who are saying that it doesn't look like Artest was intending to take Harden out like that. Yes, the hit was not in any way related to playing basketball and Artest was clearly not just trying to get past Harden or push him aside. However, it looks like Artest got too fired up by his dunk and the moment, and lashed out in a terrible way in the heat of the moment. The physicality of the game probably contributed too. This isn't a situation where one player goes up to another to confront them and tries to punch/elbow/start a fight. I don't see any sign that Artest was thinking at all at that moment. It looks more like his brain was on fire or something and he just lashed out in the most primitive and visceral way possible. He did a terrible thing, but I don't think it looks like he intentionally attacked Harden or was targeting him. It looks more like Harden had the misfortune of getting in the way of an out-of-his-mind Artest who got too fired up. However, that's no excuse for the elbow and I wouldn't blame the league for handing out a penalty like missing the whole playoffs. Damn shame because he had come so far from the Malice in the Palace, and was just starting to play well again. Thank you. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
Also I don't think walking into him means it's his fault. Players walk into each other all the time, it just happened that he threw an elbow after (which made it his fault at that point, but not before) | ||
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