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Agent Smith
Profile Joined August 2011
71 Posts
November 26 2011 17:12 GMT
#1
FINALLY

NBA Owners and Players reach tentative agreement
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http://www.nba.com/2011/news/11/25/labor-friday.ap/index.html#NEW YORK (AP) -- After nearly two years of bickering, NBA players and owners are back on the same side.

"We want to play basketball," Commissioner David Stern said.

Come Christmas Day, they should be.

The sides reached a tentative agreement early Saturday to end the 149-day lockout and hope to begin the delayed season with a marquee tripleheader Dec. 25. Most of a season that seemed in jeopardy of being lost entirely will be salvaged if both sides approve the handshake deal.

Barring a change in scheduling, the 2011-12 season will open with the Boston Celtics at New York Knicks, followed by Miami at Dallas in an NBA finals rematch before MVP Derrick Rose and Chicago visiting Kobe Bryant and the Lakers.

Neither side provided many specifics about the deal, and there are still legal hurdles that must be cleared before gymnasiums are open again.

"We thought it was in both of our interest to try to reach a resolution and save the game," union executive director Billy Hunter said.

After a secret meeting earlier this week that got the broken process back on track, the sides met for more than 15 hours Friday, working to save the season. Stern said the agreement was "subject to a variety of approvals and very complex machinations, but we're optimistic that will all come to pass and that the NBA season will begin Dec. 25."

The league plans a 66-game season and aims to open training camps Dec. 9, with free agency opening at the same time. Stern has said it would take about 30 days from an agreement to playing the first game.

"All I feel right now is `finally,"' Miami Heat star Dwyane Wade told The Associated Press.

Just 12 days after talks broke down and Stern declared the NBA could be headed to a "nuclear winter," he sat next to Hunter to announce the 10-year deal, with either side able to opt out after the sixth year.

"For myself, it's great to be a part of this particular moment in terms of giving our fans what they wanted and wanted to see," said Derek Fisher, the president of the players' association.

A majority on each side is needed to approve the agreement, first reported by CBSSports.com. The NBA needs votes from 15 of 29 owners. (The league owns the New Orleans Hornets.) Stern said the labor committee plans to discuss the agreement later Saturday and expects them to endorse it and recommend to the full board.

The union needs a simple majority of its 430-plus members. That process is a bit more complicated after the players dissolved the union Nov. 14. Now, they must drop their antitrust lawsuit in Minnesota and reform the union before voting on the deal.

Because the union disbanded, a new collective bargaining agreement can only be completed once the union has reformed. Drug testing and other issues still must be negotiated between the players and the league, which also must dismiss its lawsuit filed in New York.

"We're very pleased we've come this far," Stern said. "There's still a lot of work to be done."

The sides will quickly return to work later Saturday, speaking with attorneys and their own committees to keep the process moving.

When the NBA returns, owners hope to find the type of parity that exists in the NFL, where the small-market Green Bay Packers are the current champions. The NBA has been dominated in recent years by the biggest spenders, with Boston, Los Angeles and Dallas winning the last four titles.

"I think it will largely prevent the high-spending teams from competing in the free-agent market the way they've been able to in the past. It's not the system we sought out to get in terms of a harder cap, but the luxury tax is harsher than it was. We hope it's effective," deputy commissioner Adam Silver said.

"We feel ultimately it will give fans in every community hope that their team can compete for championships."

The league hopes fans come right back, despite their anger over a work stoppage that followed such a successful season. But owners wanted more of the league's $4 billion in annual revenues after players were guaranteed 57 percent of basketball-related income in the old deal.

Participating in the talks for the league were Stern, Silver, Spurs owner Peter Holt, the chairman of the labor relations committee, and attorneys Rick Buchanan and Dan Rube. The players were represented by executive director Billy Hunter, president Derek Fisher, vice president Maurice Evans, attorney Ron Klempner and economist Kevin Murphy.

Owners locked out the players July 1, and the sides spent most of the summer and fall battling over the division of revenues and other changes owners wanted in a new collective bargaining agreement. They said they lost hundreds of millions of dollars in each year of the former deal, ratified in 2005, and they wanted a system where the big-market teams wouldn't have the ability to outspend their smaller counterparts.

Players fought against those changes, not wanting to see any teams taken out of the market when they became free agents.

"This was not an easy agreement for anyone. The owners came in having suffered substantial losses and feeling the system wasn't working fairly across all teams," Silver said. "I certainly know the players had strong views about expectations in terms of what they should be getting from the system. It required a lot of compromise from both parties' part, and I think that's what we saw today."

Even the final day had turbulent patches. It required multiple calls with the owners' labor relations committee, all the while knowing another breakdown in talks would mean not only the loss of the Christmas schedule but possibly even the entire season.

"We resolved, despite some even bumps this evening, that the greater good required us to knock ourselves out and come to this tentative understanding," Stern said.

He denied the litigation was a factor in accelerating a deal, but things happened relatively quickly after the players filed a suit that could have won them some $6 billion in damages.

"For us the litigation is something that just has to be dealt with," Stern said. "It was not the reason for the settlement. The reason for the settlement was we've got fans, we've got players who would like to play and we've got others who are dependent on us. And it's always been our goal to reach a deal that was fair to both sides and get us playing as soon as possible, but that took a little time."

It finally yielded the second shortened season in NBA history, joining the 1998-99 lockout that reduced the schedule to 50 games. This time the league will miss 16 games off the normal schedule.

Though the deal's expected to be approved, it may not be unanimous as there are factions of hard-liners in both camps who will be unhappy with substantive portions of the deal.

"Let's all pray this turns out well," Pacers forward Danny Granger wrote on Twitter.

But getting what the owners wanted took a toll. Stern, after more than 27 years as the league's commissioner, hoped to close a deal much sooner but was committed for fighting for the owners' wishes even at the risk of damaging his legacy. Hunter dealt with anger from agents and even questions from his own players about his strategy, wondering why it could so long for the players to use the threat of litigation to give them leverage that had otherwise eluded them.

The sides met just twice in the first two months of the lockout before stepping up the pace in September, when it was already too late to open camps on time. The sides tried meeting in small groups, large groups and even mediation, but nothing sparked compromise.

Things changed this week with the entrance of Jim Quinn, a former NBPA counsel who had good relationships on both sides. The meeting Friday was held at the office of his law firm, though he did not take part.

Hunter said the terms of the deal would come out shortly, preferring to keep them private until they could be shared with the players. They might not like the deal, but it will be better than what many of them feared. Resigned to possibly missing the season, some had signed deals overseas so they would have some paycheck.

Instead, they're a step closer to returning home.


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Zvek
Profile Joined November 2011
Faroe Islands102 Posts
November 26 2011 17:13 GMT
#2
Wow... I thought they were not gonna make it!
Go Steve Nash!
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 26 2011 17:16 GMT
#3
I tried, briefly, to watch NBA last year but as is always the case I immediately lost interest. Can anyone hype it up for me? I'd like to try again but honestly basketball never excites me like College Football.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
November 26 2011 17:25 GMT
#4
Ooh, championship rematch.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
November 26 2011 17:57 GMT
#5
Glad the NBA is back, shitty that it starts on Christmas Day. I feel bad for all the people that have to work and don't get to spend it with their families just so that we have an excuse to park in front of the TV at one of the rare occasions most of us get our families toogether.

Go Raptors>
GT
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)141 Posts
November 26 2011 18:05 GMT
#6
LIFE IS WORTH LIVING AGAIN. THUNDER UP!
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
November 26 2011 18:21 GMT
#7
On November 27 2011 02:57 Zorkmid wrote:
Glad the NBA is back, shitty that it starts on Christmas Day. I feel bad for all the people that have to work and don't get to spend it with their families just so that we have an excuse to park in front of the TV at one of the rare occasions most of us get our families toogether.

Go Raptors>


Er, I'm pretty sure the people who have to work to bring us those games are ecstatic that they will actually be working, if that's who you are talking about. Christmas game is nothing new either.
juked
Profile Joined May 2010
United States691 Posts
November 26 2011 18:25 GMT
#8
Christmas day damn! that's a little rough but I can only hope for a good season. KNICKS BABY
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
November 26 2011 18:26 GMT
#9
im so happy that its finaly back, always had something to watch after school, now was just waiting till NBA will be back :/
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
November 26 2011 23:02 GMT
#10
I guess we transition to this thread.

I don't know if I'm the only one, but I'm pretty disillusioned of the idea of professional sports by this point. A player can follow all the virtues of sports, compete as hard as he can, prepare like no other, try to help his teammates, and in the end it means nothing if the guy paying the checks decides he wants more for himself.

Between that and the even more ridiculous NCAA system, why not let players play part time for a team and enroll in some nearby college? They could still play home games, they might even get more (individual) practice time because they wouldn't be on the road as much, they'd still have more time to develop, and they'd get paid, since it would be a part time job. On the teams side, they could sign to a cheaper, but longer contract which extends a few years after college, and it wouldn't be as much of an investment when the players are still in development.

Maybe most players wouldn't care, but for some, maybe the lesson of the lockout is you can't rely on your work and skills alone and you have to be prepared to live without basketball.
hewley
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1063 Posts
November 26 2011 23:08 GMT
#11
Yeessss, another season without a ring for queen James. Funny they agreed on a deal when Stevenson called Billy Hunter out. Everybody looked happy at the press conference except Billy Hunter :D
Gogo Pistons!!!!
Esports bubble pop, bubble pop
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
November 27 2011 02:43 GMT
#12
Having gone over the latest deal, it looks like common sense has eventually prevailed.

Christmas is looking a whole lot better now
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
November 27 2011 02:47 GMT
#13
Meanwhile we're getting 66 games in 3.5 months.

Sucks for the players, but awesome for us! :D
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Simple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States801 Posts
November 27 2011 05:03 GMT
#14
about freaking time!

mavs getting their banner and rings in front of their finals opponents is gonna be delicious
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 08:07:55
November 27 2011 08:04 GMT
#15
Wooooooooooh! So nice games for the opening night aswell! Also, double wooooh for having early games, so I won't have to stay up till 5-6am like most of the season! :D

Ninjaedit: Does anyone have a rough overview of which players we WON'T be seeing back this season? Does Deron Williams' deal with Besiktas include a "let-me-return-when-lockout-ends" clause (same question for J.R. Smith.. and I guess the other profiles who've signed with non-NBA teams during the lockout)?
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
Ducci
Profile Joined April 2009
United States588 Posts
November 27 2011 08:07 GMT
#16
Poor nuggets fans, some of your better players are stuck in china until sometime in march. Hopefully this will bode well for the warriors! Maybe they can sneak into the playoffs if denver drops off...
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
November 27 2011 08:16 GMT
#17
My Spurs are going to dominate! Lock-out seasons are their thing

But more seriously, I think Mavs have a really good chance at getting the top spot in the Western conference, with Butler coming back and the team having more confidence. In the East I think Miami should grab it (original, I know...)

Batum has been looking great this summer and in the beginning of the season in Europe. If he finally gets some playing time I expect him to have a great season. Same thing for Kirilenko.

On November 27 2011 02:16 Probe1 wrote:
I tried, briefly, to watch NBA last year but as is always the case I immediately lost interest. Can anyone hype it up for me? I'd like to try again but honestly basketball never excites me like College Football.


Well, if you don't like basketball don't watch. Casual fans are already killing the sport so honestly I'd rather you didn't watch :p
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
November 27 2011 08:17 GMT
#18
On November 27 2011 17:07 Ducci wrote:
Poor nuggets fans, some of your better players are stuck in china until sometime in march. Hopefully this will bode well for the warriors! Maybe they can sneak into the playoffs if denver drops off...


You mean poor China :p

Apparently JR Smith was faking injuries and calling out the manager of his team on twitter... he got really close to get fired.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
November 27 2011 08:21 GMT
#19
After i had given up all hope, I get to see some ball in a month ! Looks like the new year will bring skyrim and slam dunks ~ (okay that was corny)
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 27 2011 08:22 GMT
#20
On November 27 2011 17:16 MilesTeg wrote:
My Spurs are going to dominate! Lock-out seasons are their thing

But more seriously, I think Mavs have a really good chance at getting the top spot in the Western conference, with Butler coming back and the team having more confidence. In the East I think Miami should grab it (original, I know...)

Batum has been looking great this summer and in the beginning of the season in Europe. If he finally gets some playing time I expect him to have a great season. Same thing for Kirilenko.

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On November 27 2011 02:16 Probe1 wrote:
I tried, briefly, to watch NBA last year but as is always the case I immediately lost interest. Can anyone hype it up for me? I'd like to try again but honestly basketball never excites me like College Football.


Well, if you don't like basketball don't watch. Casual fans are already killing the sport so honestly I'd rather you didn't watch :p


a compressed season like this is going to be disadvantageous to spurs i think. duncan was already declining, now he has to play more games in a shorter period of time, more back to backs for manu and parker. not a good thing for the celts either.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
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