EPTNBA Regular Season 2011-2012 - Page 15
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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jtbem
Canada1404 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
and if they can't trade for Howard, they are relying on 2 guys with an injury question? pretty crazy, I wonder what HOU overall plan is? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
And then New Orleans just turned into the Atlanta Hawks of the West with worse players? Like. Seriously. How the hell did the Lakers convince both franchises to part with the only things keeping them relevant AND get them Chris Paul? I don't care what people say about Daryl Morey this was a DUMB decision. Let your franchise bottom out if you have to. | ||
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TheMusiC
United States1054 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Good god the Lakers are rapists. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
But Houston, that was weird. They're probably just shedding all their contracts. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
I've already explained why it's better to let him walk and bottom out for draft picks. Look at what Houston and New Orleans just did. Do you honestly think anyone is paying money to see Lamar Odom, Luis Scola and Kevin Martin? Where is that team going? They'd be lucky to even make the playoffs. And then people are going to pony up bucks to watch Pau Gasol, a non-superstar in Houston? Neither of these teams even have enough draft picks to cover themselves, AND they'll be paying high salaries for marginal players for the next couple of years. So really, you just "got something" but where does it put your franchise? This is exactly why you DON'T always try to grab any resource. Both franchises are now stuck for a couple of years unless they get lucky and flip all of these players for high draft picks into a contender which is unfortunate - because none of the contending teams have any. Dumb trade from all points. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
You can not have a team that pays no salaries to anybody. Luis Scola and Kevin Martin have very reasonable contract for their level of production. Scola WILL be valued by some teams and at 10 million over the next 4 years, that's totally palatable. Kevin Martin only has 2 years left at 12 million - a little too high but short on years and long on production. Lamar Odom is 10 million for 1 more year and a team option - that's super valuable. New Orleans hasn't sunk itself. It got value. Houston was weird though. | ||
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Rikke
Germany302 Posts
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CokeFTW
United States39 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13365 Posts
I was pro-owners during the lockout, but sometimes it's really fucking hard to be when they're clearly so dumb regardless of the system they're working under. Basically the Rockets and NOLA shuffle garbage between them--whilst actually making their teams WORSE--and the Lakers get one of the best players in the league. I can understand the Hornets might be a bit desperate to move Paul on before the season starts, but it makes no sense for the Rockets to get involved. They just traded most of their best assets for an ageing Pau Gasol. Not to dump on Gasol, he's a decent players and all, but wtf is the plan here from Houston. Unless they're making a big play for another FA (although I'm not really sure if there's much left..) I can't understand this move. Deron is all but assured of stating with NJ. Who is left? The whole league went nuts when the Lakers gouged Pau away from Memphis and yet they're letting the Lakers do the same thing again with Paul. It must be good being a Laker fan and never having to build through the draft. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 09 2011 09:44 slyboogie wrote: It might go to the playoffs. Which is one level of success - just not the ultimate. In a shocking turn, most NBA teams don't win championships, it's not a fair measuring stick for any franchise except, maybe, 2 of them. Draft picks are good but they are risky by nature. The only draft pick you guarantee yourself by having a superstar walk away is your own. There is no magical team that Chris Paul wants to go to and is still manage to be in the lottery for the draft pick you traded for. You can not have a team that pays no salaries to anybody. Luis Scola and Kevin Martin have very reasonable contract for their level of production. Scola WILL be valued by some teams and at 10 million over the next 4 years, that's totally palatable. Kevin Martin only has 2 years left at 12 million - a little too high but short on years and long on production. Lamar Odom is 10 million for 1 more year and a team option - that's super valuable. New Orleans hasn't sunk itself. It got value. Houston was weird though. If you're New Orleans you want to stink. Badly. Doesn't even matter if they squeak into the playoffs: They have NO franchise players. None. No lottery picks. They aren't going to win a championship and they aren't making money!. Don't you see the issue here? They are STUCK in NBA hell. Not bad enough to grab lottery picks, not good enough to win big, and not exciting enough to make money for the Owners. They have nothing. Nada. Zilch. No hope for the future unless another team rescues them. What value does New Orleans have? Where? Odom, Scola and Martin would have to be flipped to a young team for lottery picks for New Orleans to get value from them. What team is going to take on those players and give up lottery picks for them? Who? You don't win in the NBA by making short term moves unless you get a superstar player back. What New Orleans and Houston just did was mortgage their future and their present. EDIT: Wait hold on. New Orleans is getting draft picks...from Houston? WHAT THE FUCK?! So New Orleans comes out ahead but...wait what?! Houston? | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
wtf | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
But even from a strictly basketball standpoint. Lamar Odom expires next year. So you can trade him to a contender for a precious draft pick, no? Kevin Martin expires the year after, can't you get a precious draft pick for that too? I'm positive Scola could net you a top 14 pick but he's so freaking productive for so cheap that you might just keep him. It's easier to play with these 3 QUALITY pieces than to try to massage something out of one gigantic asset like Chris Paul. It was a good trade for New Orleans. There was absolutely 0 way that they were going to get a lottery pick anyways. Think of it like this. A team trades you their pick and picks up Chris Paul. Chris Paul is probably a +15 game player. That team makes the playoffs. You get pick 15. Grats. Furthermore, is Chris Paul really going to allow himself to get traded to a team that was staring at the lottery anyways? New Orleans got what it needed. It did not need to be the bottom of the barrel, it can take its time to consider its options now because they still have assets on the roster. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14910 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
Unless they package Gasol for Howard, I don't understand this at all. Edit: NBA's changing shooting foul rules. No drawing contact then shooting a la Kobe and Pierce. Those will be non shooting fouls. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
Apparently LAL might have to take on Okafor's UGLY ass contract too. THEN we'd trade Oak + Bynum for Dwight? I have no clue >.< | ||
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