EPTmagic are not going to take okafor's ugly contract and bynum for howard. they're going to wait.
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
magic are not going to take okafor's ugly contract and bynum for howard. they're going to wait. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13294 Posts
Might as well just skip the regular season and go to the Playoffs. It's going to be boring watching the Lakers win the majority of their games by 20+. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 09 2011 09:59 slyboogie wrote: I don't understand what you're so unhappy about. They'd be and were in the exact same spot WITH Chris Paul. Who IS a superstar and one of the best players in the NBA. So...what's the big deal? Look, the NBA has too many franchises. So more than 30% of them will be in "NBA Hell." Nature of the beast. But even from a strictly basketball standpoint. Lamar Odom expires next year. So you can trade him to a contender for a precious draft pick, no? Kevin Martin expires the year after, can't you get a precious draft pick for that too? I'm positive Scola could net you a top 14 pick but he's so freaking productive for so cheap that you might just keep him. It's easier to play with these 3 QUALITY pieces than to try to massage something out of one gigantic asset like Chris Paul. It was a good trade for New Orleans. There was absolutely 0 way that they were going to get a lottery pick anyways. Think of it like this. A team trades you their pick and picks up Chris Paul. Chris Paul is probably a +15 game player. That team makes the playoffs. You get pick 15. Grats. Furthermore, is Chris Paul really going to allow himself to get traded to a team that was staring at the lottery anyways? New Orleans got what it needed. It did not need to be the bottom of the barrel, it can take its time to consider its options now because they still have assets on the roster. Because if you lose Chris Paul you could at least be bad enough to get LOTTERY PICKS. That's the name of the game. Miami, Cleveland, OKC, San Antonio, Chicago - every single one of those teams were so bad for a season or two and then hit big in the draft. Within 3 years every single one of these franchises became contenders. Every. Single. One.. Why would Houston trade away all of it's depth for just Pau Gasol? Why? Where does that leave them? They have nothing left. Just because there are more franchises than superstars doesn't mean you willingly screw up your chances to get a FUTURE star. It doesn't work unless you can grab up a ton of marquee Free Agents and All-Stars. Which the Lakers have continuosly done because they already have a Superstar in the building. As for Lamar Odom and Kevin Martin the question remains - what contender has a lottery pick?. Think about what you're saying here. OKC, Miami, Lakers, Dallas, Chicago, New York - none of them have lottery picks. Where are you getting these picks from? New Orleans gets a lottery pick by tanking. That's it. You let Chris Paul walk if you don't get young talent or picks. There is no "lets take whatever is there just because we can". It doesn't work. Look how many years it's been since Memphis took LA's crap and how many trades and swaps they had to go through just to be an 8th seed in the playoffs. The last time a team did what you are saying New Orleans should do and it is going on 4 years and they still haven't fully recovered. They are in almost the same position they were except they made it to the 2nd round once while LA won 2 championships. That is what you are suggesting NO/Houston to do except Houston doesn't have the draft picks to even attempt it. New Orleans' "assets" are a bunch of aging vets that they now need to flip for more lottery picks to have a shot at a superstar. Not only from a basketball standpoint but a financial one. The last 2 teams to do it had young budding superstars: Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant. New Orleans has Kevin Martin and Houston has Pau Gasol. Good luck. | ||
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
brother towers!! | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:12 zulu_nation8 wrote: So does this move free up cap space for the Rockets or did they really just throw away their two best players for a big man not a lot better than Scola? They think Budinger gonna light it up for what they only have 7M in cap space. they're going to suck for the #1 | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:22 simmeh wrote: i heard rockets will sign marc gasol to an offer sheet brother towers!! they can't, they don't have the cap space to sign him outright. | ||
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:27 zeehar wrote: they can't, they don't have the cap space to sign him outright. ? what, rockets cleared up around 4 million with this trade they have 12 million in cap room could go even higher if they amnesty someone | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:32 simmeh wrote: ? what, rockets cleared up around 4 million with this trade they have 12 million in cap room could go even higher if they amnesty someone they have 7M after the trade. go check the trade checker thing on the previous page. this is taking into account that the cap will be 58M this season. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7clbbzx who are they going to amnesty? kyle lowry? anything below 12M the grizz are going to say lol thanks and match. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:15 Ace wrote: Because if you lose Chris Paul you could at least be bad enough to get LOTTERY PICKS. That's the name of the game. Miami, Cleveland, OKC, San Antonio, Chicago - every single one of those teams were so bad for a season or two and then hit big in the draft. Within 3 years every single one of these franchises became contenders. Every. Single. One.. Why would Houston trade away all of it's depth for just Pau Gasol? Why? Where does that leave them? They have nothing left. Just because there are more franchises than superstars doesn't mean you willingly screw up your chances to get a FUTURE star. It doesn't work unless you can grab up a ton of marquee Free Agents and All-Stars. Which the Lakers have continuosly done because they already have a Superstar in the building. As for Lamar Odom and Kevin Martin the question remains - what contender has a lottery pick?. Think about what you're saying here. OKC, Miami, Lakers, Dallas, Chicago, New York - none of them have lottery picks. Where are you getting these picks from? New Orleans gets a lottery pick by tanking. That's it. You let Chris Paul walk if you don't get young talent or picks. There is no "lets take whatever is there just because we can". It doesn't work. Look how many years it's been since Memphis took LA's crap and how many trades and swaps they had to go through just to be an 8th seed in the playoffs. The last time a team did what you are saying New Orleans should do and it is going on 4 years and they still haven't fully recovered. They are in almost the same position they were except they made it to the 2nd round once while LA won 2 championships. That is what you are suggesting NO/Houston to do except Houston doesn't have the draft picks to even attempt it. New Orleans' "assets" are a bunch of aging vets that they now need to flip for more lottery picks to have a shot at a superstar. Not only from a basketball standpoint but a financial one. The last 2 teams to do it had young budding superstars: Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant. New Orleans has Kevin Martin and Houston has Pau Gasol. Good luck. Actually, Chicago got Rose via the Knick's lottery pick (I think). In any case they were a .500 team when they got him, which is why they were poised to make the leap in S2. Edit. As an aside, why does the NBA continue to have the stupid salary matching rule in trades? Why shouldn't NO be able to trade CP3 and take no salary back? It makes NO SENSE. | ||
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13294 Posts
If your goal is just to put out a decent team that might make the Playoffs, then fine, make dumb trades like Houston is doing now. But if you actually want to be relevant (i.e contend for the Chip) you need a plan, and that plan should involve the draft (or be LA). I don't know what Houston's plan is (does anyone?) but they aren't getting anywhere near an NBA Chip soon. Nor NOLA for that matter. The Clippers trade of young talent (EG not included) and the Minny pick made so much more sense for NOLA than whey they're supposedly going to get from LA/Houston. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:37 cLutZ wrote: Actually, Chicago got Rose via the Knick's lottery pick (I think). In any case they were a .500 team when they got him, which is why they were poised to make the leap in S2. Edit. As an aside, why does the NBA continue to have the stupid salary matching rule in trades? Why shouldn't NO be able to trade CP3 and take no salary back? It makes NO SENSE. It makes plenty of sense. You want to deter anti-competitive nonsense trades for the sake of money or tanking. Kind of like what happens in baseball, teams out of the playoff race will just start jettisoning their good players to rich teams to save money. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13294 Posts
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:37 cLutZ wrote: Actually, Chicago got Rose via the Knick's lottery pick (I think). In any case they were a .500 team when they got him, which is why they were poised to make the leap in S2. Edit. As an aside, why does the NBA continue to have the stupid salary matching rule in trades? Why shouldn't NO be able to trade CP3 and take no salary back? It makes NO SENSE. Remember Chicago also kept trading away solid players and swapping picks. Chicago drafted a ton of quality players and kept flipping till they got a superstar, cap space and/or picks. Jamal Crawford, Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, Tyson Chandler, Eddu Curry (lol), Kirk Hinrich, and Lamarcus Aldridge were all involced in Chicago deals until they got to their current state. On December 09 2011 10:42 RowdierBob wrote: Chicago lucked out in that draft. They had like a 1% chance of getting Rose and they got it. The exception isn't the rule. Yea of course. I'm not arguing about the luck factor. I'm saying you want to stock up on picks to get lucky AND get additional young talent to go along with it. | ||
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blizzind
United States642 Posts
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Rikke
Germany302 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:43 blizzind wrote: can't the lakers disregard bynum's team option for the 2012-2013 season and just take on howard when he's a free agent? I don't know how it all works. LAL is nowhere near to have capspace LOL xD | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:43 blizzind wrote: can't the lakers disregard bynum's team option for the 2012-2013 season and just take on howard when he's a free agent? I don't know how it all works. the lakers are over the cap by 33M, taking bynum's 15M~ish or so off it it still doesn't get them anywhere near the amount under the cap to sign D12 outright. only way they're going to get D12 is through a trade. | ||
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