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On December 08 2011 10:10 Ace wrote:PER and Win Shares are terrible stats, I thought you knew this? :/ http://www.hoopsnotes.com/teams/neworleans/paul-similar-knee-problems-than-roy/Show nested quote +
Joe’s take- Unless I’m remembering incorrectly, or I just received faulty information from the get go, Paul didn’t have his entire meniscus removed, but only a piece. I will ask Paul on Wednesday if I get a chance.
No conclusive evidence to show he'll be in the same position as Brandon Roy. Especially since, you know Chris Paul was actually playing basketball.
He had part of it removed, but it might be enough to be bone on bone.
2.Paul ha s a degenerative knee condition. Yes he is only 25. But his left knee is much older. Paul suffered a torn meniscus–the cartilage around the knee area that serves as a shock absorber–and underwent arthroscopic surgery last season to have the condition cleaned up. The injury stands to get worse over time, though, and players who suffer from it tend to lose cartilage to the point where their knee ultimately becomes bone-on-bone. To appreciate what that means to a player, think back to Tim Hardaway and Charlie Ward late in their careers when they struggled to even change ends and were literally dragging one leg up and down the court.
I've had a torn ACL with some torn meniscus damage that had to be "cleaned up". The doctor didn't make a big deal about cleaning it up, so it sounds like a different deal than the dreaded bone on bone never will be the same predictions (though it still isn't the same). Players tear their meniscus all the time and go through light surgery or recovery. But Chris Paul's injury sounded much worse than those cases.
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rondo is the better defender. though paul gets a lot of steals, steals are not perfect indicators of defensive ability, especially in the man-to-man defence in the nba.
rondo also is a terrible free throw shooter and doesn't have a jump shot, so...
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On December 08 2011 09:43 Ace wrote:
Chris Paul's injury was a torn meniscus which isn't the same as having no cartilage. It's also wrong to say he isn't ever going to get better when he actually played better basketball as the year went on, culminating in embarassing the Lakers with no David West. He was still the best PG and top 3 player in the NBA last year.
How does Rondo's play against Miami even matter here?. He isn't even close to the player Chris Paul is. You can argue that he is the best Point Guard defender in the NBA and at best on the same level in terms of playmaking ability but that's about it. Chris Paul is the best Point Guard in the NBA since Isaiah Thomas/Magic Johnson days.
CP3 > John Stockton? :o Not taking a stab at you or anything, but in my eyes John Stockton was pretty f-in amazing
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On December 08 2011 19:21 zeehar wrote:
rondo is the better defender. though paul gets a lot of steals, steals are not perfect indicators of defensive ability, especially in the man-to-man defence in the nba.
rondo also is a terrible free throw shooter and doesn't have a jump shot, so...
i seriously can't believe Obama's joke had such a big imparct on rondo's shooting confidence.
no doubt rondo is the better athlete and defender, but you'd have to take paul anyday of the week =D
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of course i'd take paul, he's the more complete player, though i was refuting Ace who said paul was better than rondo at everything which simply is not true.
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If i were the Lakers and i had to chose between Howard and Paul, i would chose Paul, because to get Howard they would have to get a Bynum+Gasol package, whereas with CP, Odom+Bynum could be traded and bunch of other no names.
Getting both Howard and CP is impossible, regardless of what ESPN writes, cant trade Bynum to two teams =P
Better team is Kobe - CP - Gasol and some rotation guys (maybe Ariza again) than Kobe - Howard - ???? Blake???
There is no doubt that CP is getting traded in a matter of days, Warriors and Lakers are prob the favorites to land him. Would love to see him at OKC as i despise Westbrook, Durantula deserves a better PG than him. But i see CP wanting to go to a big market and big city, NY is impossible (despite what Knicks fans want you to believe) but LA is realistic
Though can you imagine CP + Blake GRYPHONNN! the alley oops would be sick, off the chart mang
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Chandler to the Knicks and Prince is resigning with the Pistons. Battier to Heat. Exciting!
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Alrite, now basketball season has begun! And wow, Chandler to Knicks is pretty crazy and makes their front court pretty intimidating now O.O
These moves will probably make Chicago go harder after a SG now, excited to see who it will be.
edit: Kapono to LAL for 1yr/1.2 million it seems.
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On December 09 2011 05:21 MassHysteria wrote:
Alrite, now basketball season has begun! And wow, Chandler to Knicks is pretty crazy and makes their front court pretty intimidating now O.O
These moves will probably make Chicago go harder after a SG now, excited to see who it will be.
edit: Kapono to LAL for 1yr/1.2 million it seems.
Eww. Kapono sucks
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The Knicks even with Tyson Chandler are going to get destroyed by Miami and Chicago.
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The latest news says Butler to the Clippers, Paul to LA, Scola, Martin & Dragic + draft picks to NOLA! Rockets get Gasol.
If that's true, how are the Rockets planning on winning games this season?
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On December 09 2011 07:06 VENDIZ wrote:
The latest news says Butler to the Clippers, Paul to LA, Scola, Martin & Dragic + draft picks to NOLA! Rockets get Gasol.
If that's true, how are the Rockets planning on winning games this season?
Ugh...I'm really not sure how I feel about this stupid Tough Juice signing. I know we have to eat up cap space and we are in desperate need of a 3 but blech.
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Battier to Heat is so scary. Though I don't know what he can play.
I'm not so sold on Chicago. I think they're a little overhyped.
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On December 09 2011 07:06 VENDIZ wrote:
The latest news says Butler to the Clippers, Paul to LA, Scola, Martin & Dragic + draft picks to NOLA! Rockets get Gasol.
If that's true, how are the Rockets planning on winning games this season?
They aren't.
@igotmyown: How so? Chicago is easily a top 3 team in the league, probably even #2.
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Why would Houston rape itself like that?
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On December 07 2011 14:08 shawster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 12:03 igotmyown wrote:On December 07 2011 11:45 KOFgokuon wrote:
Let's see
The NBA is a star-based league. When you draft a superstar, he affects both sides of the ball because he can both defense and offense. Also, with only 12 roster slots, and the fact that superstars play 40+ minutes typically, they have a much greater effect than a single player does on a football roster, minus the quarterback.
High NBA draft picks are HIGHLY coveted, but the late 1st rounders aren't as valuable. Think of it this way, there are only 2 NBA draft rounds for a reason, generally there aren't THAT many more players worth looking at. For football, there's 7 rounds, plus supplemental, and a SHIT ton of free agents. Getting another first round pick in football is like getting another top 7-8 pick in the NBA draft, based on the number and quality of players. They sell #1 picks in the nba for cash. The patriots got Randy Moss (most gifted receiver of all time with motivation issues) for a 4th round pick, and if the Raiders asked for a #1, they would have been laughed off. Most first round draft picks in the nba end up as at best role/bench players and a good percentage end up out of the league. I don't really understand why it works that way, but I'm guessing it's that your number 1s are expected to reinvent your team and aren't as much developmental projects (except quarterbacks), while in the nba, you stink for years and keep playing the lottery until you win. Football's probably simpler to be great at, too (except quarterbacks). You can't bet your franchise by building around a random single high first round pick, but you can in the nfl. Otherwise the wolves and other perennial lottery teams would be godly. so what you're saying is that #1 pick overall isn't as much of a gamble in the NFL as it is in the NBA? i can kinda get that.
In the past, due to cap ramifications, #1 pick in the NFL was a much bigger gamble because if they suck, you're fucked due to the cap hit
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turns out gasol + odom to the hornets for paul is most likely what is going to happen.
ugh...........
edit:
paul to lakers
gasol to houston
odom, kevin martin, scola and filler to the hornets
that's actually not too bad.... they get martin and scola, whose game i love.
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looks like a 3 team trade between the lakers, hornets, and rockets
paul to lakers
dragic, martin, scola, odom to hornets
gasol to rockets
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dragic is the nicest of the fillers, and the hornets may be getting draft picks, too.
i'm amazed la found a way to make it work, tbh. given how i felt about their chances yesterday.
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