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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 03:18:30
December 07 2011 03:16 GMT
#241
also, nba rosters are much smaller and require only five starters. nfl rosters can go as many as 60+ and require 22 starters (and a kicker and punter). it's much easier for a nfl player to stick around than a nba player. in the nfl, the only skill you need as a kicker, for example, is to kick long and accurate. a nba player needs to be able to do much more than just shoot the basketball accurately.
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
December 07 2011 03:29 GMT
#242
NFL also has a higher turnover rate, the NBA if riddled with veteran players and people coming back from serious injuries, not nearly as common in the NFL. Slots for playtime open up a lot more in the NFL.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13365 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 03:41:47
December 07 2011 03:40 GMT
#243
Warriors also now in the mix for Paul:

According to sources, Golden State is offering Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Ekpe Udoh. The team would also amnesty Andris Biedrins in order to create cap space to reunite Paul with Tyson Chandler.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... z1foePZUYN


Pretty nice deal also. Warriors 2011 lineup
Paul
Ellis
Wright
Lee
Chandler.

I still like the Clips version better if they can sign Chandler to go with Paul.
Paul
Gordon
SF
Blake
Chandler.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Steamroller
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland756 Posts
December 07 2011 03:44 GMT
#244
Can't wait for new season to begin! I love betting on these games.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
December 07 2011 03:49 GMT
#245
Paul, Monte, Wright, Lee, Chandler is only mediocre but it would be make the Warriors much more watchable.

If the Clippers could somehow get Paul, Gordon, random sf defender, Blake, Chandler/Jordan with Mo Williams/Bledsoe and Kaman coming off the bench, combined with the majestic grace that is Ralph Lawlers voice would becoming instantly watchable, rather than tolerable.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
December 07 2011 03:59 GMT
#246
Yup, plus the NBA draft is only 2 rounds long so the presence of the hit-or-miss pick is intensified. There is no such thing as a value pick, like in the NFL, where you can find a hidden great player at his position in the 6th or 7th round. The probability of a player becoming a "bust" by NBA standards is higher than in the NFL.

And yes, I like the Clippers lineup oh man. If they are able to somehow wait and be able to sign Howard as a free agent then dam even more.

Haha I love the "majestic grace that is Ralph Lawler's voice". Brought a smile to my face.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Miss_Cleo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States406 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 04:32:46
December 07 2011 04:32 GMT
#247
On December 07 2011 12:49 Holcan wrote:
Paul, Monte, Wright, Lee, Chandler is only mediocre but it would be make the Warriors much more watchable.

If the Clippers could somehow get Paul, Gordon, random sf defender, Blake, Chandler/Jordan with Mo Williams/Bledsoe and Kaman coming off the bench, combined with the majestic grace that is Ralph Lawlers voice would becoming instantly watchable, rather than tolerable.


I mute my TV when watching Clipper games because of the shitty commentating, Mike Smith and Ralph Lawler have the relationship of a spiteful husband and wife duo.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 07 2011 05:05 GMT
#248
On December 07 2011 11:24 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 10:17 Ace wrote:
You guys are really starting to overvalue Dwight Howard. He isn't ALL TIME GREAT level yet. You are picking up Dwight because he is the best Center in the league due to his ability and scarcity of the position. Once you start trying to trade him for anything possible to any team you are inflating his value.

There are only 7 players in the last 10 years without a doubt I'd trade almost anything for:

Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Chris Paul
Shaquille O'Neal (forgot him initially )

Everyone else including Dwight Howard just doesn't match up to any of these guys. With the exception of Duncan we've seen all of them carry some terrible teams into the playoffs and actually dominate better teams because there is nothing that these guys can't do. DH isn't at the level and probably won't ever be.


I'd ALMOST put Dirk on that list... but until the past 2 seasons I don't think he had put it all together. Right now though, I wouldn't trade him for anything.


Well there are 2 reasons I wouldn't put Dirk on the list:

1.) He isn't an all around dominant player on the level of any of these guys

2.) Dirk has always had a team built around him. Not saying he can't do what these guys did although I am doubtful, but the Mavs have went out and got players to surround him with every season. No idea what Dirk looks like playing with different kinds of teams except his early days where he didn't break out yet.

On December 07 2011 10:25 RowdierBob wrote:
Ace, I know you're big on Eric Gordon. If you were the Clippers, would you trade Gordon and your high Minny pick for Howard (assuming he'd sign long-term. Also assuming you'd still have around $20 mill in cap space too to make a play at a big FA)?


Yes. The only way I wouldn't is if another good Center came along and I trusted Eric Gordon's development to go to near Dwyane Wade/Kobe levels. A team of Griffin+Howard won't go far without stellar guard play anyway.


Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
December 07 2011 05:08 GMT
#249
On December 07 2011 12:03 igotmyown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 11:45 KOFgokuon wrote:
Let's see
The NBA is a star-based league. When you draft a superstar, he affects both sides of the ball because he can both defense and offense. Also, with only 12 roster slots, and the fact that superstars play 40+ minutes typically, they have a much greater effect than a single player does on a football roster, minus the quarterback.

High NBA draft picks are HIGHLY coveted, but the late 1st rounders aren't as valuable. Think of it this way, there are only 2 NBA draft rounds for a reason, generally there aren't THAT many more players worth looking at. For football, there's 7 rounds, plus supplemental, and a SHIT ton of free agents. Getting another first round pick in football is like getting another top 7-8 pick in the NBA draft, based on the number and quality of players.


They sell #1 picks in the nba for cash. The patriots got Randy Moss (most gifted receiver of all time with motivation issues) for a 4th round pick, and if the Raiders asked for a #1, they would have been laughed off. Most first round draft picks in the nba end up as at best role/bench players and a good percentage end up out of the league.

I don't really understand why it works that way, but I'm guessing it's that your number 1s are expected to reinvent your team and aren't as much developmental projects (except quarterbacks), while in the nba, you stink for years and keep playing the lottery until you win. Football's probably simpler to be great at, too (except quarterbacks).

You can't bet your franchise by building around a random single high first round pick, but you can in the nfl. Otherwise the wolves and other perennial lottery teams would be godly.


so what you're saying is that #1 pick overall isn't as much of a gamble in the NFL as it is in the NBA? i can kinda get that.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 20:26:40
December 07 2011 06:15 GMT
#250
On December 07 2011 13:32 Miss_Cleo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 12:49 Holcan wrote:
Paul, Monte, Wright, Lee, Chandler is only mediocre but it would be make the Warriors much more watchable.

If the Clippers could somehow get Paul, Gordon, random sf defender, Blake, Chandler/Jordan with Mo Williams/Bledsoe and Kaman coming off the bench, combined with the majestic grace that is Ralph Lawlers voice would becoming instantly watchable, rather than tolerable.


I mute my TV when watching Clipper games because of the shitty commentating, Mike Smith and Ralph Lawler have the relationship of a spiteful husband and wife duo.


haha, first thing I thought of as well. Those two bicker during their casts so much it gets ridiculous and annoying.

edit: seems they have met with Caron Butler two times already.
edit 2: Butler meets with SA also, after SA decided it will use amnesty on Jefferson
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
December 07 2011 21:13 GMT
#251
If the Clippers deal with Paul&Chandler happen I'd be glued to NBATV every night they played (and their games normally start at 6am where I live)! "Silly season" start on the 12th (IIRC), can't wait to see who goes where!
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
December 07 2011 22:19 GMT
#252
Why am i reading that Celtics are interested in trading Rondo for CP? I hope this is pure newspaper balooney because i dont see much sense in it. Rondo is healthier and less injury prone, he is also used to playing with those guys, getting CP would require them to restructure parts of their offense.

I mean i get that he is a more marketable star, but it just seems like crazy talk
★ Top Gun ★
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 07 2011 22:23 GMT
#253
Chris Paul isn't injury prone, he's had 1 injury that he recovered from. That said he's better than Rondo at everything even when he isn't 100% healthy. You trade Rondo if you can because there is nothing Chris Paul can't do.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
December 08 2011 00:09 GMT
#254
On December 08 2011 07:23 Ace wrote:
Chris Paul isn't injury prone, he's had 1 injury that he recovered from. That said he's better than Rondo at everything even when he isn't 100% healthy. You trade Rondo if you can because there is nothing Chris Paul can't do.


Rondo plays significantly better defense, and is only a marginally worse play-maker
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 00:17:00
December 08 2011 00:13 GMT
#255
On December 08 2011 07:23 Ace wrote:
Chris Paul isn't injury prone, he's had 1 injury that he recovered from. That said he's better than Rondo at everything even when he isn't 100% healthy. You trade Rondo if you can because there is nothing Chris Paul can't do.

Recovered is a strong statement, he doesn't have cartilage in one of his knees anymore, and it's never going to be better. It's just going to keep wearing away at the bone until he just can't play anymore.

Rondo's taller and surprisingly good at getting rebounds in the air. Not just those long rebounds that you have to run, but grabbing the ball out of midair. Remember his putback over the Lakers in the middle of the paint?

And Rondo broke his arm during the heat series, got back in and still ended up being the go to scorer. Not sure Chris Paul could do that.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 08 2011 00:43 GMT
#256
Chris Paul's injury was a torn meniscus which isn't the same as having no cartilage. It's also wrong to say he isn't ever going to get better when he actually played better basketball as the year went on, culminating in embarassing the Lakers with no David West. He was still the best PG and top 3 player in the NBA last year.

How does Rondo's play against Miami even matter here?. He isn't even close to the player Chris Paul is. You can argue that he is the best Point Guard defender in the NBA and at best on the same level in terms of playmaking ability but that's about it. Chris Paul is the best Point Guard in the NBA since Isaiah Thomas/Magic Johnson days.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
December 08 2011 00:43 GMT
#257
On December 08 2011 09:09 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 07:23 Ace wrote:
Chris Paul isn't injury prone, he's had 1 injury that he recovered from. That said he's better than Rondo at everything even when he isn't 100% healthy. You trade Rondo if you can because there is nothing Chris Paul can't do.


Rondo plays significantly better defense, and is only a marginally worse play-maker


Chris Paul adds so much more than Rajon Rondo. Anyone who doesn't think so is clearly not watching basketball with any sort of discernment.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 08 2011 00:53 GMT
#258
really dont understand why Paul stopped taking shots last year especially when Ariza started out so shitty. Yes I'm still bitter about drafting him, not that anyone could've picked differently.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
December 08 2011 01:00 GMT
#259
On December 08 2011 09:43 Ace wrote:
Chris Paul's injury was a torn meniscus which isn't the same as having no cartilage. It's also wrong to say he isn't ever going to get better when he actually played better basketball as the year went on, culminating in embarassing the Lakers with no David West. He was still the best PG and top 3 player in the NBA last year.

How does Rondo's play against Miami even matter here?. He isn't even close to the player Chris Paul is. You can argue that he is the best Point Guard defender in the NBA and at best on the same level in terms of playmaking ability but that's about it. Chris Paul is the best Point Guard in the NBA since Isaiah Thomas/Magic Johnson days.


Chris Paul had a torn meniscus, which I take it is cartilage. He had it removed completely.

Paul underwent surgery on the knee in early February. Noted orthopedist Dr. James Andrews, unable to sew the damaged piece of cartilage, cut it away instead

Same as the Brandon Roy procedure.

His shots at the rim are around half of what they were before (more a year ago, less this year).
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Chris Paul

He's still finding a way to get things done, although he hasn't kept up in PER and win shares.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 08 2011 01:10 GMT
#260
PER and Win Shares are terrible stats, I thought you knew this? :/

http://www.hoopsnotes.com/teams/neworleans/paul-similar-knee-problems-than-roy/


Joe’s take- Unless I’m remembering incorrectly, or I just received faulty information from the get go, Paul didn’t have his entire meniscus removed, but only a piece. I will ask Paul on Wednesday if I get a chance.


No conclusive evidence to show he'll be in the same position as Brandon Roy. Especially since, you know Chris Paul was actually playing basketball.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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