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VENDIZ
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On November 27 2011 17:04 VENDIZ wrote: Ninjaedit: Does anyone have a rough overview of which players we WON'T be seeing back this season? Does Deron Williams' deal with Besiktas include a "let-me-return-when-lockout-ends" clause (same question for J.R. Smith.. and I guess the other profiles who've signed with non-NBA teams during the lockout)? All the players that signed for Spanish teams are returning, includinf Rudy Fernandez, even if he would prefer not to. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 06 2011 22:54 VENDIZ wrote: Like RowdierBob mentioned; the Lakers are going for both D12 & CP3. If a trade of that magnitude would go through, this season would be soooo intense! http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/06/report-lakers-hunting-big-fish/?ls=iref:nbahpt1 Sources say the Clippers also have intentions to go after both Howard and Paul. And like the Lakers, the Clippers are positioned -- financially and talent-wise to make such a move. Unlike the Lakers, the Clippers would not have to make two trades. They could use their wealth of young talent to trade for either Paul or Howard and then sign the other as a free agent next summer when they'll have enough cap room to offer a maximum-salary contract. The one player the Clippers will not offer in a trade is Blake Griffin. | ||
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Rikke
Germany302 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:24 Ace wrote: The Lakers can't get either of them since they don't have the capspace to afford them. The only way would be if Orlando and NO took the Lakers' junk players and why would they do that if they want to rebuild? Just by the way, they could trade Bynum or Gasol straight up for Howard. I think that works under current salary rules. Which is fine, since you're basically downgrading at center from 100% to 85%, which is infinitely better than 100% to 0% since they have no other center. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Why would either team do this when the "85%" leaves you in worse position than the "0%" ? | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37044 Posts
So if Magic are playing, does that mean the S&T with the Lakers have been settled? | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
The whole trade for Paul/Howard thing seems like hype to me so far though. It seems like the league-owned Hornets trading Paul to the Lakers would be a long shot right now. Of course it all depends on what else is on the table for these teams. How much are the Magic/Hornets willing to risk losing these players for nothing? A 24-year-old veteran (6 years) center with experience being around championship teams in a big-market city or a 30-year-old proven, international 7-footer who still has a nice set of skills that age nicely(compared to other big guys) might not seem so bad depending on the throw-ins. Of course, a trade is all about the best you can get so just mentioning what "the other side" of the spectrum might say to answer Ace's question. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Also realize Orlando has leverage here. Without being traded Dwight Howard can not get onto the Lakers. Orlando can let him walk and bottom out their team, or trade him to the Clippers for young players and draft picks. As good as Pau Gasol is he isn't a SUPERSTAR. You can't rebuild around All-Star players because they can't carry terrible teams singlehandedly. The only players to ever do it in the modern era are Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Dwyane Wade and Lebron James. | ||
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Zidane
United States1689 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
Even if you got pick 1 or 2, you're left assuming the risk of an unknown quantity. Mediocrity is very bad but it isn't worse than awful. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
And they couldn't do that with Chris Paul or Dwight Howard there. Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum don't sell tickets and they don't gaurantee a playoff birth. Bottom out and hit the lottery and hope for a superstar. | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On December 07 2011 06:43 slyboogie wrote: Wait a minute, Orlando has the opposite of leverage. There is no draft pick compensation in the NBA. If Dwight Howard walks away from them, then they are left with nothing. You state that 0% is better than 85% but that presumes 0% is going to land you the number 1 or 2 draft pick overall. But there's a lottery in the NBA - what if you end up with pick 4? Even if you got pick 1 or 2, you're left assuming the risk of an unknown quantity. Mediocrity is very bad but it isn't worse than awful. if dwight leaves in one way or another, the magic have no choice but to rebuild from the ground up, because they're not going to go ANYWHERE with jameer nelson as their best player. they have an enormous payroll that mostly goes to players starting to decline from their not-so-lofty highs in the first place. it's a pity no-one in their right mind will take arenas, hedo, pietrus, or q-rich off their hands. they don't want pau because he's 34, and bynum is too injury prone to build around. anyway, go pacers. it's a relief that the lakers have no young talent to give in exchange for either paul or howard or even high draft picks for that matter. | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On December 07 2011 06:40 Zidane wrote: That is why Paul is going to the warriors bad bois. steph curry, filler and a pick or two would be the best realistic package that the hornets could get, IMO. curry can be just as good as ellis when he doesn't have to compete for the ball with him. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On December 07 2011 07:23 zeehar wrote: if dwight leaves in one way or another, the magic have no choice but to rebuild from the ground up, because they're not going to go ANYWHERE with jameer nelson as their best player. they have an enormous payroll that mostly goes to players starting to decline from their not-so-lofty highs in the first place. it's a pity no-one in their right mind will take arenas, hedo, pietrus, or q-rich off their hands. they don't want pau because he's 34, and bynum is too injury prone to build around. anyway, go pacers. it's a relief that the lakers have no young talent to give in exchange for either paul or howard or even high draft picks for that matter. http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/12/6/2615701/Bob-Vander-Weide-Magic-CEO-retires That's why Orlando's CEO drunk dialed Dwight Howard at 1am in the morning to tell him how much he wanted Howard to stay with the Magic. Needless to say, he retired after that. | ||
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CokeFTW
United States39 Posts
Kobe-CP3-D12 will be UNBEATABLE.... and unlike the Knicks, Lakers actually have pieces they can pay up for D12 and CP3. I feel bad for Odom having the best season of his career last season and might be traded away. | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On December 07 2011 08:16 CokeFTW wrote: Kobe-CP3-D12 or Melo-Amare-CP3..... Kobe-CP3-D12 will be UNBEATABLE.... and unlike the Knicks, Lakers actually have pieces they can pay up for D12 and CP3. I feel bad for Odom having the best season of his career last season and might be traded away. no they don't. what would new orleans and orlando want with gasol, odom or bynum? no-one wants the lakers' very expensive old players. bynum's knees could give at any second. orlando can do much better than gasol for howard, for example. gasol's not going to lead them to a championship, and hurts their rebuilding if dwight goes. bynum is a slightly better proposition, but what's going to stop him bailing when his contract is over, and bynum has barely completed a full season. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On December 07 2011 07:23 zeehar wrote: if dwight leaves in one way or another, the magic have no choice but to rebuild from the ground up, because they're not going to go ANYWHERE with jameer nelson as their best player. they have an enormous payroll that mostly goes to players starting to decline from their not-so-lofty highs in the first place. it's a pity no-one in their right mind will take arenas, hedo, pietrus, or q-rich off their hands. they don't want pau because he's 34, and bynum is too injury prone to build around. anyway, go pacers. it's a relief that the lakers have no young talent to give in exchange for either paul or howard or even high draft picks for that matter. That's ridiculous. You're saying there's no difference between trading Dwight Howard for 75 cents on the dollar and having Dwight Howard walk away after his contract is over. That's completely insane. Even Lebron James was signed and traded for SOME value. 1st round picks and cash. Because you aren't about to lose control of any financial asset for literally nothing, when you can garner some return on it. "Ground up" or not, it's better to trade Dwight Howard to the Lakers for the 2.4 years left on Pau Gasol's contract, cash and picks - because Pau Gasol and picks are underpaid assets worth more than a huge gaping hole in your roster. They represents something plausible. | ||
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