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iLoveKT
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slyboogie
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 09 2011 11:24 igotmyown wrote: No that's only true for entitled fans. Red Sox lose for 86 years, they could miss the playoffs the year after 2004 and they'd still feel content. New Orleans, they probably don't mind their exit. Giants, similar, they're "happy to be there" as champions. Championships in sports are often a lucky run where everything just clicks together, and it's got to be more miraculous than a baby being born. Lakers fans feel entitled, like they're supposed to win every year. Like being mad because if Shaq stayed, they'd have won all the championships of the 2000s. You don't hear that sort of nonsense from tortured fanbases. To be fair, Lakers fans expect championships when they have some reason to believe they should. I assure you that Lakers fans did not expect championships during the Van Exel/Elden Campbell years or the Smush/Kwame years. It was only when the Lakers traded for Gasol and everyone, not only Lakers fans, thought that they had a good shot at winning the whole thing (which they almost did). After that, the championship aspirations and expectations were understandable as they were one of the top teams in the league by everyone's estimation. Lakers fans are definitely spoiled, but fans for any team would feel the same way under the same circumstances, i.e. great team that are legitimate contenders. Weren't Dallas fans disappointed when they lost to the Heat in the Finals? Weren't Celtics fans disappointed when they lost in the Finals? I have yet to see a fanbase that goes into a Finals series expecting to lose, or being happy with coming up second. Lakers fans often expect championships because the Lakers are often championship contenders. Fans for any team expect the same if their team were in a similar situation. | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
On May 09 2011 11:43 slyboogie wrote: The quintessential Derrick Rose. 12-32, 34 points, 11 free throws(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and 10 assists. He is a great mystery. well this has been somewhat explained in posts back. some of those field goal attempts are results of him trying to run a play for other teammates but they fail so the ball goes back to him with little time in the shot clock and he is forced to take really tough shots. that and no one else on the team really wants to shoot. lol. | ||
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VENDIZ
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scaban84
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On May 09 2011 11:46 XaI)CyRiC wrote: To be fair, Lakers fans expect championships when they have some reason to believe they should. I assure you that Lakers fans did not expect championships during the Van Exel/Elden Campbell years or the Smush/Kwame years. It was only when the Lakers traded for Gasol and everyone, not only Lakers fans, thought that they had a good shot at winning the whole thing (which they almost did). After that, the championship aspirations and expectations were understandable as they were one of the top teams in the league by everyone's estimation. Lakers fans are definitely spoiled, but fans for any team would feel the same way under the same circumstances, i.e. great team that are legitimate contenders. Weren't Dallas fans disappointed when they lost to the Heat in the Finals? Weren't Celtics fans disappointed when they lost in the Finals? I have yet to see a fanbase that goes into a Finals series expecting to lose, or being happy with coming up second. Lakers fans often expect championships because the Lakers are often championship contenders. Fans for any team expect the same if their team were in a similar situation. The problem is, most of those "fans" weren't there for the 2005-2006 Smush Parker era. They weren't around for the pre-Kobe/Shaq era. Laker fans are fair weather fans that jump on a Los Angeles bandwagon and go to see a winner. They (again, I know I'm being overly broad...I'm aware there are true devoted fans) have no investment, no attachment, no sentiment. These "fans" never sweat with Kobe or tasted the ash in their mouths when the Lakers lost to the Suns in '06. They didn't even stand during game 2 when the Lakers needed them. Ugh, I will say, many Laker fans on this sit, you included, are insightful and seem to be real fans but in general....Ugh. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 09 2011 11:50 scaban84 wrote: How the hell do you make and inadvertent whistle on an obvious shooting foul. And then instead of giving position back to the team you make it a jump ball? That was ridiculous. I feel sorry for Rose this game. He was obviously in the zone and his teammates were not. He scrambled everywhere looking for opportunities for his teammates but instead had to force up a shot or a drive. Definite no call there. Bad whistle, but definitely a no call on that play. That being said, Noah had the offensive board on the airball had the whistle not gone off. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 09 2011 11:51 slyboogie wrote:The problem is, most of those "fans" weren't there for the 2005-2006 Smush Parker era. They weren't around for the pre-Kobe/Shaq era. Laker fans are fair weather fans that jump on a Los Angeles bandwagon and go to see a winner. They (again, I know I'm being overly broad...I'm aware there are true devoted fans) have no investment, no attachment, no sentiment. These "fans" never sweat with Kobe or tasted the ash in their mouths when the Lakers lost to the Suns in '06. They didn't even stand during game 2 when the Lakers needed them. Ugh, I will say, many Laker fans on this sit, you included, are insightful and seem to be real fans but in general....Ugh. I will freely concede that there are many fairweather Lakers fans. However, I also think that the total number of Lakers fans should be considered when criticizing the fanbase. It's my personal opinion that most fans in any fanbase are uninformed, biased and don't stick by their teams when they're playing very poorly. It's always a relatively small percentage of the total that bother to really dig into the facts and be informed, stay as unbiased as possible, and stick by their teams even when they're a bottom-dweller or not a playoff contender when talking about NBA teams. I think the reason why Lakers fans get such a bad rap is because there are so many of those "bad" fans, but people neglect the fact that there are simply a lot of Lakers fans period. The team plays in one of the largest cities in the US, has had so much success throughout the past, has managed to get some of the best players to ever play the game, and are rarely completely out of playoff contention. That contributes to a very large fanbase, which will have a lot of "good" and "bad" fans, with most of them falling into the latter category. While I don't have any facts or statistics to support my opinion/theory that the Lakers have about as many "bad" fans proportionally as other teams do, I also haven't seen any facts or statistics presented by people who claim they have more. To be fair, it also doesn't help that Lakers fans are represented by those who go to Lakers games, which, due to pricing and the fact that Lakers games are seen as more of a show or night out than a sporting event, don't include all that many "good" Lakers fans. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 09 2011 11:51 slyboogie wrote: The problem is, most of those "fans" weren't there for the 2005-2006 Smush Parker era. They weren't around for the pre-Kobe/Shaq era. Laker fans are fair weather fans that jump on a Los Angeles bandwagon and go to see a winner. They (again, I know I'm being overly broad...I'm aware there are true devoted fans) have no investment, no attachment, no sentiment. These "fans" never sweat with Kobe or tasted the ash in their mouths when the Lakers lost to the Suns in '06. They didn't even stand during game 2 when the Lakers needed them. Ugh, I will say, many Laker fans on this sit, you included, are insightful and seem to be real fans but in general....Ugh. If fans actually came out for those crappy teams what incentive would teams have to be good? The Pirates have sucked for years and the reason is that the owners have calculated that sucking is profitable for them. | ||
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Zim23
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Stoids
United States636 Posts
On May 09 2011 11:43 slyboogie wrote: The quintessential Derrick Rose. 12-32, 34 points, 11 free throws(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and 10 assists. He is a great mystery. Textbook Rose in the playoffs. I personally don't see the buzz around Chicago. Their regular season record was grossly inflated by their joke of a division. They are a solid team, but I'm not sure Derrick Rose is a complete enough player to take them all the way just yet. 32 shots in a game is a shocking number. | ||
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blizzind
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
On May 09 2011 12:17 Stoids wrote: Textbook Rose in the playoffs. I personally don't see the buzz around Chicago. Their regular season record was grossly inflated by their joke of a division. They are a solid team, but I'm not sure Derrick Rose is a complete enough player to take them all the way just yet. 32 shots in a game is a shocking number. its actually not shocking when the team gives you the ball with 3 seconds on the shot clock remaining. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On May 09 2011 12:09 cLutZ wrote: If fans actually came out for those crappy teams what incentive would teams have to be good? The Pirates have sucked for years and the reason is that the owners have calculated that sucking is profitable for them. Wait. Are you being serious? The Pirates suck because they haven't drafted competently for two decades. You are, erroneously, associating payroll with victories. But there are still loyal Pirates fans, who believe that Andrew McCutchen will be better than Justin Upton. That a rotation of Correia, Karston and Malholm can get them to .500. Those fans have every right to rend their clothes and scream about the incompetence of their management. If people don't want to see a shitty product, then don't come. But they are watching the Los Angeles Lakers; they have no ground to stand on when they bitch and moan about "Pau's toughness" or "Odom's assertiveness." Shut up. You didn't stand with the team in the past, you aren't a fan. You're a guy who got nice playoff tickets cause you work in finance at Raytheon or Northrop Grunnam. (You is not targeted at Clutz but the "hypothetical" you.) | ||
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scaban84
United States1080 Posts
On May 09 2011 12:25 icystorage wrote: its actually not shocking when the team gives you the ball with 3 seconds on the shot clock remaining. Yeah 0 for 6 from Korver in the first half. Him and Deng couldn't get open in the second. Its a bit annoying when people point out Rose's low FG percentage. He is the only player in the top ten in scoring and assists. An absolute workhorse. | ||
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Judicator
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
The Lakers didn't play particularly badly, Kobe was hitting a good percentage of his shots (he shot >50% in every game if you discount 2-3 crunch time terrible looks he threw up)... Bynum played well, Fisher was alright, Artest wasn't bad either. Their bench did play pretty poorly, but aside from that it was MUCH more attributed to the defense of Dallas rather than the Lakers just playing badly. I think Kobe really should have just gone for ~30 shots per game... he seemed too content to try to ride it out rather than forcing the issue, which seems pretty uncharacteristic of Kobe to me. I'm not sure why he did that... Dallas however, was just insanely good. It's like they woke up from a long slumber. I've always known that on paper they are a scary team, but they've never seemed to be able to 'put it together'. But now they have, and they're goddamn good. Aside from that, Dirk is playing the best basketball of his life, and Stojakovic seems to be brought back from the dead. Seriously, if they continue to play this way there are NO teams that can beat them in a 7 game series. Right now though, I'm really interested in seeing what the Lakers will do in the offseason. Despite the fact that a lot of people who are Laker fans might not want to admit it, or maybe its obvious (to me it is)... Kobe cannot win a title any longer as the main guy. It's interesting to see the HS-effect... because right now he is playing like 2001-2002 40 year old Michael Jordan. What I mean by that is, he's still going to be easily getting 20-25 per game, shooting a pretty good percentage, and will have his hot streaks where he'll show flashes of his old self (remember, 40 year old Jordan still scored 50 points in a game). What he can't do though, is put the team on his shoulders and carry it to wins. The team right now needs to get younger... if Kobe could will them to wins, the other people being old wouldn't matter so much, but in this case it does. I'd imagine that they are going to look to flip Gasol and Bynum and completely overhaul their roster. Obviously Artest is a sunk cost, he's locked up for I think 3 more years and I doubt there will be many suitors for him, they'd have to give him up for really cheap to get rid of him. I think they can get some pretty significant pieces for two package deals of Gasol+several people and Bynum+people. The big word has been Dwight Howard -- that'd definitely help give them a scary defensive anchor. They need more reliable shooters and a point guard. I don't think they can rely on Kobe to be the primary initiator of the offense any more. It'd be absolutely crazy if they could turn Bynum and Gasol into Deron Williams and Dwight Howard @_@! Anyways, at this point, I'm rooting for anyone BUT Miami to win. It'd be an amazing story to see Dallas take them down in the finals, but I hope Miami doesn't even make it that far. Here's to some more amazing playoff action! | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 09 2011 08:00 FlaShFTW wrote: Sorry for the mini-rant below. I'm venting my frustrations with the horrible end of the year by LA. I say SCREW Gasol for the stuff he did. Which is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Seriously GO BACK TO SPAIN! We need to begin rebuilding... already. after 3 years, gasol leads the lakers to get swept by the mavs. everyone else did all they needed to. Bryant, Bynum, Artest. Well, maybe no the defense on Dirk, but still. At this point, im being mocked at school (live in NJ, die hard laker fan) and lose hope in the Lakers... excuse me, Pau Gasol. Trade him, get rid of him, I DONT CARE. just make sure he finds a new team to choke on. thank you have a nice day. lol, typical lakers fan acting no better than the players themselves just pointing fingers when the guy won you 2 championships in a row there's no way in hell lakers deserved to win this year, they were just bad from the start | ||
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bean183
United States73 Posts
On May 09 2011 12:35 Xeris wrote: While, as a Lakers fan I'm very sad that they lost... I do have to say that as a basketball fan, I'm totally impressed with how Dallas played. Their defense was so crisp, and they defended very well without fouling. Their rotations were pretty much perfect. They ran Kobe, Bynum, and Gasol out of their spots every time they touched the ball. They completely closed the lanes and didn't give Kobe any option other than shooting jumpers (which admittedly he was hitting at a pretty good rate). The Lakers didn't play particularly badly, Kobe was hitting a good percentage of his shots (he shot >50% in every game if you discount 2-3 crunch time terrible looks he threw up)... Bynum played well, Fisher was alright, Artest wasn't bad either. Their bench did play pretty poorly, but aside from that it was MUCH more attributed to the defense of Dallas rather than the Lakers just playing badly. I think Kobe really should have just gone for ~30 shots per game... he seemed too content to try to ride it out rather than forcing the issue, which seems pretty uncharacteristic of Kobe to me. I'm not sure why he did that... Dallas however, was just insanely good. It's like they woke up from a long slumber. I've always known that on paper they are a scary team, but they've never seemed to be able to 'put it together'. But now they have, and they're goddamn good. Aside from that, Dirk is playing the best basketball of his life, and Stojakovic seems to be brought back from the dead. Seriously, if they continue to play this way there are NO teams that can beat them in a 7 game series. Right now though, I'm really interested in seeing what the Lakers will do in the offseason. Despite the fact that a lot of people who are Laker fans might not want to admit it, or maybe its obvious (to me it is)... Kobe cannot win a title any longer as the main guy. It's interesting to see the HS-effect... because right now he is playing like 2001-2002 40 year old Michael Jordan. What I mean by that is, he's still going to be easily getting 20-25 per game, shooting a pretty good percentage, and will have his hot streaks where he'll show flashes of his old self (remember, 40 year old Jordan still scored 50 points in a game). What he can't do though, is put the team on his shoulders and carry it to wins. The team right now needs to get younger... if Kobe could will them to wins, the other people being old wouldn't matter so much, but in this case it does. I'd imagine that they are going to look to flip Gasol and Bynum and completely overhaul their roster. Obviously Artest is a sunk cost, he's locked up for I think 3 more years and I doubt there will be many suitors for him, they'd have to give him up for really cheap to get rid of him. I think they can get some pretty significant pieces for two package deals of Gasol+several people and Bynum+people. The big word has been Dwight Howard -- that'd definitely help give them a scary defensive anchor. They need more reliable shooters and a point guard. I don't think they can rely on Kobe to be the primary initiator of the offense any more. It'd be absolutely crazy if they could turn Bynum and Gasol into Deron Williams and Dwight Howard @_@! Anyways, at this point, I'm rooting for anyone BUT Miami to win. It'd be an amazing story to see Dallas take them down in the finals, but I hope Miami doesn't even make it that far. Here's to some more amazing playoff action! great analysis, i agree with almost all your points.. but as a spurs fan, im rooting for anyone but miami AND dallas.. (not looking to good for that) during the lakers/mavs series i was rooting for a HT to sneak into the arena and psi storm everyone | ||
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