EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 582
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tonight
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Sentenal
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On January 12 2011 09:57 Ferrose wrote: Robots don't always replace tanks and stuff. I mean, in FMP, they fight the mechs with tanks and helicopters. Edit: The tanks and helis get fucking raped, but they are still used extensively by the militaries. I wasn't talking in absolutes. But its a fact that the role of Robots in these shows are that of the main battle tank, or air superiority fighter. Even in FMP, Mythril's "main battle tank" is the M9 Arms Slave (at least I think its the M9). The other militarys in the world use Robots as their main armored unit, as you can see with the Soviet's Savages. | ||
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Ferrose
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On January 12 2011 10:18 Sentenal wrote: I wasn't talking in absolutes. But its a fact that the role of Robots in these shows are that of the main battle tank, or air superiority fighter. Even in FMP, Mythril's "main battle tank" is the M9 Arms Slave (at least I think its the M9). The other militarys in the world use Robots as their main armored unit, as you can see with the Soviet's Savages. Personally, I think that the mechs in Macross are the best. Because not only are they the main unit, but they have the humanoid form, and can turn into an airplane. | ||
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Ecael
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On January 12 2011 10:18 Sentenal wrote: I wasn't talking in absolutes. But its a fact that the role of Robots in these shows are that of the main battle tank, or air superiority fighter. Even in FMP, Mythril's "main battle tank" is the M9 Arms Slave (at least I think its the M9). The other militarys in the world use Robots as their main armored unit, as you can see with the Soviet's Savages. Actually tanks are still used pretty extensively, ASs don't have nearly as much firepower as tanks for the most part. It is just that the majority of the combats that we see in FMP take place in areas where mobility is a greater factor than firepower. The books took care to establish that fact just so that they can illustrate how broken Al is. Helis actually do pretty well, iirc the vulcan cannons they have are around the same caliber as the head mounted vulcans for the AS, so not quite enough to one shot AS but can deal pretty decent damage. | ||
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On January 12 2011 09:57 Ferrose wrote: Robots don't always replace tanks and stuff. I mean, in FMP, they fight the mechs with tanks and helicopters. Edit: The tanks and helis get fucking raped, but they are still used extensively by the militaries. This was touched upon briefly in the novels. I can't remember what the exact explanation was, but mostly tanks and such are still used because they can still serve various functions. For instance, tanks generally are cheaper to produce (although the specifics of AS production are never really elaborated upon, I think this is a safe assumption considering the technology involved) and feature a high-caliber main gain. AS's are more mobile, but they possess considerably less firepower (one exception being the boxer shotcannon, but nobody seems to use it but Sousuke). Just look at the Savage (M9's are a bad example in this comparison because they're super high tech and pretty much rape everything. I mean, if you gave a tank ECS capability, it could down an AS easily). It's maneuverable, but the gun it carries is more or less a beefed up assault rifle. Helicopters are still useful because they're helicopters. Basically, AS's don't fly. Edit: Damnit Ecael ;_; | ||
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Ferrose
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On January 12 2011 10:28 Ecael wrote: Actually tanks are still used pretty extensively, ASs don't have nearly as much firepower as tanks for the most part. It is just that the majority of the combats that we see in FMP take place in areas where mobility is a greater factor than firepower. The books took care to establish that fact just so that they can illustrate how broken Al is. Helis actually do pretty well, iirc the vulcan cannons they have are around the same caliber as the head mounted vulcans for the AS, so not quite enough to one shot AS but can deal pretty decent damage. Oh. I guess that Al/Sousuke just make it look easy. D: Edit: I've been wondering: does the anime/books ever explain just how much influence that Mythril has? At first I thought they operated exclusively from the sub, but then I saw that they have remote bases on islands and stuff. Just how big are their resources? | ||
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Spazer
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On January 12 2011 10:36 Ferrose wrote: Oh. I guess that Al/Sousuke just make it look easy. D: Edit: I've been wondering: does the anime/books ever explain just how much influence that Mythril has? At first I thought they operated exclusively from the sub, but then I saw that they have remote bases on islands and stuff. Just how big are their resources? Sousuke is one of the best pilots in the series. He pulls off some pretty ridiculous shit in some of the later books. The only people that can match him would probably be Kurz, Mao (arguably), and Gauron. Everyone else is small fries. Frankly, Sousuke could probably wreck a small army even in a lower tech AS. Heck, he took out three enemy AS's by himself when he was ten. On top of that, the Arbalest is state-of-the-art tech. It's got ECS. It's got a lambda driver. It's got a sentient onboard AI. And finally, the shotcannon is an incredibly broken weapon. Pair Sousuke up with the Arbalest, and you've pretty much got yourself a one man army. Mithril's influence is pretty huge. They've essentially got forces and bases scattered across the globe. The Danaan is not really a base in any case - it's more a covert platform for launching assaults. | ||
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Ferrose
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And facepalm at ep 15 of the show. No one listens to Sousuke -_- | ||
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Judicator
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On January 12 2011 11:59 Sentenal wrote: I suppose the FMP anime doesn't do a good enough job elaborating on the role of Tanks, since Tanks don't really do anything in the anime. They just used Mechs and Helicopters for everything. Tanks are there for the Arm Slaves to destroy. | ||
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Spazer
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On January 12 2011 12:01 Ferrose wrote: FMP 17 made me sad That arc was pretty good, but Burning One Man Force was better. | ||
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Ferrose
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On January 12 2011 12:11 Spazer wrote: That arc was pretty good, but Burning One Man Force was better. Is that the last arc for season one? | ||
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Sentenal
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A dream Reinhard had more or less says the general events that happened in Golden Wings actually did happen, although they probably happened alot differently than they appeared to happen in the movie (+ Show Spoiler [up to logh ep32] + bullshit that Iserlohn was almost destroyed in the movie, when it had never been harmed by an external enemy before like episode 32 | ||
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Igakusei
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No, it's book 8 in the series, and it is excellent. Season 1 goes up to book 3. Season 2 (Fumoffu) is a compilation of stuff from the short stories. Season 3 (The Second Raid) goes up to book 5. @Igakusei - Got a link to the ad? | ||
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legendre20
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haha, I dunno, after watching Gundam's last attempt to make a very dark and kill-em-all show, the main character was a 13 year old kid, and the director when out of his way to kill as many characters as possible in order to permanently traumatize the poor kid Hahah the first thing that came to mind was NGE  I guess Gundam's attempt wasn't very successful >.> | ||
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