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On May 30 2012 14:59 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 13:14 thebigdonkey wrote:On May 30 2012 13:09 Sub40APM wrote:On May 30 2012 12:50 thebigdonkey wrote:On May 30 2012 12:31 Whole wrote:
Isn't Jamie regarded as one of the best swordfighters by everyone though? That wouldn't seem like being overrated. Back in season 1, you could tell that Ned was trying to avoid dueling him at all costs. Robb also declined a fight with him cause he admitted Jaime would win. He's not overrated (except maybe in leading armies). where did you get this from ? When they actually fought? Ned didnt want to duel him because there were 4 starks vs 20 Lanisters and if the Lanisters dont mind killing small children and assassinating hands of king why wouldnt Ned think the Lanisters would just kill him? Otherwise in that scene it looked like Ned was holding more than his own and he is a whole generation older than Jamie. There were several conversations (the other one that comes to mind was when Ned walked in on Jaime in the throne room). Jaime was always trying to provoke him and Ned didn't want any part of it. in the throne room conversation ned specifically says that jamie has 'fancy' armor that has never been 'scratched' because jamie 'picks the right opponents.' So Jamie always fights below his skill level and that is why he thinks he is so badass. Which Ned obviously disagrees with.
You can be the best swordsman in the realm and still choose your battles wisely. In fact, that may be the only way to become the best swordsman in the realm. Jaime is respected as the best sword in the realm for a reason, although that may be partly because he is a bit of a celebrity. There are probably lesser known soldiers (The Hound/Bronn) who may not be his equal, but can give him a run for his money.
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On May 30 2012 10:08 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 10:01 Redox wrote:On May 30 2012 09:45 Juicyfruit wrote:On May 30 2012 09:31 Quexana wrote:On May 30 2012 09:08 [Aot]_Aether wrote:
What is the vendetta against the books? They might clarify some points without giving away spoilers! There's nothing wrong with having read the books, I love them. Yet in a show-specific thread like this, the book readers should be very sensitive to the non-book readers. A couple of post above someone said that Jaime Lannister killing his cousin was out of character for him because he didn't do it in the books. While that is technically true, it's not helpful to the non-book readers who are coming to understand this magnificant, but difficult, story as a show. I think the book-readers, having a bit more understanding of the charactors and more knowlege of the exposition, can assist the non-book readers in understanding bits that they might have missed, or have forgotten because they're being told the story one hour at a time over the course of weeks and weeks. They can offer a bit more perspective to the non-book readers. But nitpicking over the differences between the books and the show or saying that something is out-of-character for a character because he doesn't do it in the books is wrong. I never read the books but for me, as long as it doesn't spoil future storylines and it actually contributes relevant information instead of just being a bitchfest about how the book is different, it's alright. Its not really important what is alright for you though, as you are not a mod. Just read the top of this page. It's not about me, nor is it really about the mods. It's about all the non-book readers, and whether or not they'll be bothered by important book-facts that isn't going to spoil future TV-storylines. I leave it to you to explain how his statement is worthy of a warning.
Things from the books, even if they have no impact on the series, does spoil it for people who want to read the books in the future.
Simply leave book stuff out of here. Period. I don't get how that is such a difficult concept.
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On May 30 2012 15:14 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 14:59 Sub40APM wrote:On May 30 2012 13:14 thebigdonkey wrote:On May 30 2012 13:09 Sub40APM wrote:On May 30 2012 12:50 thebigdonkey wrote:On May 30 2012 12:31 Whole wrote:
Isn't Jamie regarded as one of the best swordfighters by everyone though? That wouldn't seem like being overrated. Back in season 1, you could tell that Ned was trying to avoid dueling him at all costs. Robb also declined a fight with him cause he admitted Jaime would win. He's not overrated (except maybe in leading armies). where did you get this from ? When they actually fought? Ned didnt want to duel him because there were 4 starks vs 20 Lanisters and if the Lanisters dont mind killing small children and assassinating hands of king why wouldnt Ned think the Lanisters would just kill him? Otherwise in that scene it looked like Ned was holding more than his own and he is a whole generation older than Jamie. There were several conversations (the other one that comes to mind was when Ned walked in on Jaime in the throne room). Jaime was always trying to provoke him and Ned didn't want any part of it. in the throne room conversation ned specifically says that jamie has 'fancy' armor that has never been 'scratched' because jamie 'picks the right opponents.' So Jamie always fights below his skill level and that is why he thinks he is so badass. Which Ned obviously disagrees with. You can be the best swordsman in the realm and still choose your battles wisely. In fact, that may be the only way to become the best swordsman in the realm. Jaime is respected as the best sword in the realm for a reason, although that may be partly because he is a bit of a celebrity. There are probably lesser known soldiers (The Hound/Bronn) who may not be his equal, but can give him a run for his money. Yes I understand. I am just saying that clearly Ned wasnt avoiding him. In the one situation where they had to fight Ned didnt want to fight him because it was 4 against 20. When it was Jamie and Ned, he seemed pretty sure he could dent that fancy armor of Jamies.
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There´s really no need to compare Ned to Jaime based off of their interactions, the two men were in so vastly different positions. Jaime really has no big responsibilities and just likes to walk around Kings Landing, fighting some blokes and enjoying some intercourse with his sister. He doesn´t take things too seriously. Ned on the other hand is king of the hand, lord of Winterfell and father of 5 children while investigating the strange circumstances during which his friend and predecessor died, a conspiracy involving many important people around him. That would be like Matt Stone and Trey Parker challenging Obama to a debate during the presidential election.
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Did Syrio Die? I thought he would have won that battle.. on the other hand, the Kingsguard that attacked him reappeared later?
Please clarify thanks
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On May 30 2012 16:29 frontliner2 wrote:
Did Syrio Die? I thought he would have won that battle.. on the other hand, the Kingsguard that attacked him reappeared later?
Please clarify thanks
there is nothing to clarify lol? we don't know. the fight wasn't shown. pretty sure we all saw the same thing 
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I'm curious about last episode now.. how can they top it off with everything shown in 9th and I'll gladly get surprised. The best episode so far, for me.
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On May 30 2012 15:41 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 15:14 ZasZ. wrote:On May 30 2012 14:59 Sub40APM wrote:On May 30 2012 13:14 thebigdonkey wrote:On May 30 2012 13:09 Sub40APM wrote:On May 30 2012 12:50 thebigdonkey wrote:On May 30 2012 12:31 Whole wrote:
Isn't Jamie regarded as one of the best swordfighters by everyone though? That wouldn't seem like being overrated. Back in season 1, you could tell that Ned was trying to avoid dueling him at all costs. Robb also declined a fight with him cause he admitted Jaime would win. He's not overrated (except maybe in leading armies). where did you get this from ? When they actually fought? Ned didnt want to duel him because there were 4 starks vs 20 Lanisters and if the Lanisters dont mind killing small children and assassinating hands of king why wouldnt Ned think the Lanisters would just kill him? Otherwise in that scene it looked like Ned was holding more than his own and he is a whole generation older than Jamie. There were several conversations (the other one that comes to mind was when Ned walked in on Jaime in the throne room). Jaime was always trying to provoke him and Ned didn't want any part of it. in the throne room conversation ned specifically says that jamie has 'fancy' armor that has never been 'scratched' because jamie 'picks the right opponents.' So Jamie always fights below his skill level and that is why he thinks he is so badass. Which Ned obviously disagrees with. You can be the best swordsman in the realm and still choose your battles wisely. In fact, that may be the only way to become the best swordsman in the realm. Jaime is respected as the best sword in the realm for a reason, although that may be partly because he is a bit of a celebrity. There are probably lesser known soldiers (The Hound/Bronn) who may not be his equal, but can give him a run for his money. Yes I understand. I am just saying that clearly Ned wasnt avoiding him. In the one situation where they had to fight Ned didnt want to fight him because it was 4 against 20. When it was Jamie and Ned, he seemed pretty sure he could dent that fancy armor of Jamies.
In the show Ned was clearly gaining ground against Jamie in their duel before Jamie's men came to rescue. Jamie is all talk, he is certainly really good but never had the chance to prove itself imo.
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On May 30 2012 16:40 RA wrote:
I'm curious about last episode now.. how can they top it off with everything shown in 9th and I'll gladly get surprised. The best episode so far, for me.
I think that the latest episode was the climax of the season and it'll roll down a bit for the next episode which will lead us into the next season. Which we'll probably have to wait a year or two for ;_______;.
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That was quite a baneling bomb Stannis' fleet ran into. Tyrion having the tech advantage and patiently waiting for the right time to engage clearly took him by surprise. Kind of a cheesy move though, banking up so much gas on the expense of anything else, leaving his base almost naked and hoping defender's advantage would even out a still huge army supply differential. This weakness showed when even though Stannis lost half his supply, he had macroed up so much that he still came very close to overwhelm Tyrion by playing it straight up and relentless aggression. When Tyrion on top of that lost his only hound to friendly fire, it should have been gg. It was pure luck that his reinforcements arrived in the very second his horse tech kicked in, which he ironically didn't even know he had. He clearly didn't expect this turn of events himself - his movements had become increasingly disorganized up to the point where he was about to suicide some units in desparation. Given this, it's quite understandable that Stannis felt cheated and refused to leave the game. It remains to be seen whether he will be able to pull an upset later on, now that everybody counts him out. After all, he made a very strong showing and hasn't even employed his red priestess play yet which is feared for a reason.
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On May 30 2012 16:29 frontliner2 wrote:
Did Syrio Die? I thought he would have won that battle.. on the other hand, the Kingsguard that attacked him reappeared later?
Please clarify thanks
I don't think he did... Usually when people die in GoT they die very brutaly, lol.
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On May 30 2012 16:40 RA wrote:
I'm curious about last episode now.. how can they top it off with everything shown in 9th and I'll gladly get surprised. The best episode so far, for me.
Yeah, it was a bold move to focus the whole episode on one battle and neglect all other storylines, but now there's some catching up to do. Do the Starks get Winterfell back? Does Danaerys get her dragons back? What happens with Arya (she somehow teams up with Jaqen, as preview shows) and Jon Snow?
Letting us wait for another year after that is just cruel. 
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On May 30 2012 16:58 FrogOfWar wrote:
That was quite a baneling bomb Stannis' fleet ran into. Tyrion having the tech advantage and patiently waiting for the right time to engage clearly took him by surprise. Kind of a cheesy move though, banking up so much gas on the expense of anything else, leaving his base almost naked and hoping defender's advantage would even out a still huge army supply differential. This weakness showed when even though Stannis lost half his supply, he had macroed up so much that he still came very close to overwhelm Tyrion by playing it straight up and relentless aggression. When Tyrion on top of that lost his only hound to friendly fire, it should have been gg. It was pure luck that his reinforcements arrived in the very second his horse tech kicked in, which he ironically didn't even know he had. He clearly didn't expect this turn of events himself - his movements had become increasingly disorganized up to the point where he was about to suicide some units in desparation. Given this, it's quite understandable that Stannis felt cheated and refused to leave the game. It remains to be seen whether he will be able to pull an upset later on, now that everybody counts him out. After all, he made a very strong showing and hasn't even employed his red priestess play yet which is feared for a reason.
yeah no gg from stanis, so bm.. where are the pitchforks in this thread ??
nice read, thanks 
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Am I the only one wondering how the f*ck pycelle get out of jail ?
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If I'm not mistaking, Cersei asked Tyrion to set him free in the episode after he imprisoned him. We didn't get to see him since though.
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On May 30 2012 20:54 oGoZenob wrote:
Am I the only one wondering how the f*ck pycelle get out of jail ?
Yes -.- ?
Cersei ordered Tyrion to let him go. The cousin was the messenger. Tyrion explained that he knew the cousin was "in bed" with Cersei and asked if he should tell the King or even Jaime.
The cousin paniced and said he would flee the city - but instead Tyrion asked him to become his personal spy on everything Cersei was doing. That's how he found out about the wildfire in the first place.
After gaining a new spy he agreed to free Pycelle.
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Yeah Tyrion let him go but said he doesnt want him on the council.
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On May 30 2012 17:10 FrogOfWar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 16:40 RA wrote:
I'm curious about last episode now.. how can they top it off with everything shown in 9th and I'll gladly get surprised. The best episode so far, for me. Yeah, it was a bold move to focus the whole episode on one battle and neglect all other storylines, but now there's some catching up to do. Do the Starks get Winterfell back? Does Danaerys get her dragons back? What happens with Arya (she somehow teams up with Jaqen, as preview shows) and Jon Snow? Letting us wait for another year after that is just cruel.
Yeah, unless every single storyline will have major cliffhangers the last episode will have some wrapping up to do. Not showing:
Robb & Lady Talisa (and he just got his swag on)
Theon (or anything Pyke/Winterfell related)
Arya
Jaime & Brienne
Jon Snow (incl. nights watch & wildlings)
Daenarys (shit's going down in Qarth yo)
Brann (and co.)
I hope they'll finish up every piece of the story. At least enough for us to not be too frustrated about cliffhangers
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I didn't notice this until someone pointed it out, but it looks like Loras wore Renly's armour into battle. Thought it was a nice detail
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On May 30 2012 21:37 Mentalizor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 17:10 FrogOfWar wrote:On May 30 2012 16:40 RA wrote:
I'm curious about last episode now.. how can they top it off with everything shown in 9th and I'll gladly get surprised. The best episode so far, for me. Yeah, it was a bold move to focus the whole episode on one battle and neglect all other storylines, but now there's some catching up to do. Do the Starks get Winterfell back? Does Danaerys get her dragons back? What happens with Arya (she somehow teams up with Jaqen, as preview shows) and Jon Snow? Letting us wait for another year after that is just cruel. Yeah, unless every single storyline will have major cliffhangers the last episode will have some wrapping up to do. Not showing: Robb & Lady Talisa (and he just got his swag on) Theon (or anything Pyke/Winterfell related) Arya Jaime & Brienne Jon Snow (incl. nights watch & wildlings) Daenarys (shit's going down in Qarth yo) Brann (and co.) I hope they'll finish up every piece of the story. At least enough for us to not be too frustrated about cliffhangers
I'm pretty sure they will round out every major story arc although they may tease us with some minor cliffhangers.
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