|
All book discussion in this thread is now allowed. |
On May 11 2019 04:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Maybe you simply don't know what hate means? It certainly doesn't mean to like it less than the three which came before and still giving it a really good rating, nope that's not hating! That's giving an order of preference, it's like me saying "while i really liked breaking bad, it isn't as good as sopranos, the wire, mad men and six feet under".
The average score gives a better idea of how much something is liked than referencing specific posts of people who maybe didn't like it. It is astonishing to me that you'd take single data points over the whole data and pretend it's more valuable.
Ofc there are people who didn't like the books, that wasn't what you said.
Again, i am not sure how to reply to you, it's actually insane to me how disconnected you are to reason.
lol i even found posts of you defending crow feast in a reddit thread from 4 years ago, and you're still pretending as though i just made up this notion that nobody liked feast for crows, when you were literally arguing in a thread where people said they didn't like it. nice try gaslighting buddy.
bbbbbut the ratings! decades from now, someone like you will argue that the final season of game of thrones was AWESOME. i will say: 'no it sucked and everyone hated it' and then that person will say, "BBBBBUT HBO HAD SUPER HIGH VIEWERSHIP FOR EPISODE 4!!!!!" and keep repeating it as a mantra even though people presented evidence why the episodes were deeply flawed.
https://deadline.com/2019/05/game-of-thrones-ratings-emilia-clarke-nathalie-emmanuel-hbo-1202608382/
the fourth episode of the eighth and final season of GoT is actually the third most watched episode of the David Benioff and D.B. Weiss EP’d blockbuster ever.
this is the fourth episode, the same episode everyone here says is the worst out of the worst season.
its insane how disconnected from reality you are
|
Ok so the moment one finds people who don't like something it makes sense to say that nobody liked it and people (in general?) actually hated it, i got it.
It makes perfect sense to quote someone who literally said he liked it and spin that the other way around as well.
If only i knew before!
You also realize that noone here said that "noone likes GoT anymore" right? In general this argument is stupid, it is an argumentum ad populum, i would have never even brought any scores up if not for you starting this whole nonsense.
And to make even less sense you inflate scores with audience numbers now, a quick search on the popular rating sites would have shown you that at least the 4th episode has a fairly bad rating for GoT standards:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/episodes?season=8&ref_=tt_eps_sn_8
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/game-of-thrones/s08
I am done with this now though, anyone can look at the facts we presented and make their own conclusion.
If you are actually interested to analyse anything from the actual books instead of trying to defend this indefensible "nobody liked the book" comment, i am all ears. Though i don't expect it.
|
On May 11 2019 05:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:Ok so the moment one finds people who don't like something it makes sense to say that nobody liked it and people (in general?) actually hated it, i got it. It makes perfect sense to quote someone who literally said he liked it and spin that the other way around as well. If only i knew before! You also realize that noone here said that "noone likes GoT anymore" right? In general this argument is stupid, it is an argumentum ad populum, i would have never even brought any scores up if not for you starting this whole nonsense. And to make even less sense you inflate scores with audience numbers now, a quick search on the popular rating sites would have shown you that at least the 4th episode has a fairly bad rating for GoT standards: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/episodes?season=8&ref_=tt_eps_sn_8 https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/game-of-thrones/s08 I am done with this now though, anyone can look at the facts we presented and make their own conclusion. If you are actually interested to analyse anything from the actual books instead of trying to defend this indefensible "nobody liked the book" comment, i am all ears. Though i don't expect it.
i dont know how many times i can point out that everyone who left a positive review either acknowledged all the hate the book got, or stated that it wasn't as good as the others. why would somebody acknowledge the hate a book got if the book was actually LIKED by everyone? how many LOTR book reviews start with: "hey i know many people dislike this book series, but i still loved it". none. how much more do i have to connect the dots. by complete accident when i googled "feast for crows sucks" i already found your posts on reddit where you defended the book, which shows that you're already well aware of the negative reception the book got.
and yeah tv ratings is meaningless metric without looking at all the data, just like looking at an average review score is meaningless without actually seeing what the reviews say. that was my whole point...... do i have to connect the dots more...????
but continue to believe that crow feast and dragon dance were beloved by fans of the series. to anyone who hasn't read them, my recommendation is to read books 1-3 and skip 4 and 5, and hope that 6 will be good if it ever gets published.
back on topic to the discussion about other fantasy series, if you're looking for something like dragonlance, then legend of drizzt is great light weight fantasy fare. very entertaining stuff. for steampunk type fantasy, china mieville is good, but he is communist and it comes out in his books, but his prose is poetic, he has a fantastic imagination, and top notch world building. i did not like raymond e. feist book. i read betrayal at krondor which was entertaining, but the sequel whose name i forget was literally the characters doing battle from point a to point b, it felt like reading a video game playthrough. joel rosenburg guardians of the flame combines fantasy and humor
|
ep4 had high viewership because people were desperate for them to somehow save their face after ep3. My guess is that the viewership won't drop that much any more though. There's just 2 episodes to go and I think most fans of the TV series have already resigned to just watching it till the end without having any hopes up.
Speaking of fantasy books you could always try reading Glen Cook's The Black Company series, which some say started all the grimdark and realistic trend but personally I couldn't go through it. Personally I really enjoyed Kull and Conan books by Howard, but anti-hero Fantasy isn't for everyone  You could always go for The Witcher saga too.
In any case, here's a list of some grimdark fantasy for anyone interested:
Best Served Cold by Joe Abercrombie
The Heroes by Joe Abercrombie
The Blade Itself by Joe Abercrombie
Prince of Thorns by Mark Lawrence
The Dreaming City by Michael Moorcock
Gardens of the Moon by Steven Erikson
Acacia: The War With the Mein by David Anthony Durham
The Mirror Empire by Kameron Hurley
|
What does grimdark mean? I thought that was an anime only thing lol
|
United States44195 Posts
Grimdark is a Warhammer 40k thing. It's like the worst possible of settings. One where the only reason the authors haven't killed everyone yet is because killing everyone would actually be an improvement over the endless cycle of suffering, sacrifice, and stagnation.
Like there's a book in the Warhammer universe where some supersoldiers find a bunch of humans living on an incredibly hostile planet and the good supersoldiers convince the others that they have to try to save the humans. Only it turns out that the planet was infested by a demon and the people they were trying to help were secret demon cultists. The supersoldiers come up with a plan to defeat the demon and it involves all the named characters all doing their bit and completing their missions and it follows a conventional narrative until near the end when the demon just kills them all and turns their ship into a fucked up demon ship to send to Earth to kill everyone there. The remaining main characters realize they can't stop this but if they sacrifice themselves in the most noble way they can at least send a warning to Earth. They do so and their plan actually works so they die to the demon screaming defiance and that Earth will be ready and will defeat the demon ship. Then in the epilogue the message arrives on Earth, is assigned low priority, and is immediately lost forever in the bureaucracy.
|
|
|
On May 11 2019 10:38 KwarK wrote:
Grimdark is a Warhammer 40k thing. It's like the worst possible of settings. One where the only reason the authors haven't killed everyone yet is because killing everyone would actually be an improvement over the endless cycle of suffering, sacrifice, and stagnation.
Like there's a book in the Warhammer universe where some supersoldiers find a bunch of humans living on an incredibly hostile planet and the good supersoldiers convince the others that they have to try to save the humans. Only it turns out that the planet was infested by a demon and the people they were trying to help were secret demon cultists. The supersoldiers come up with a plan to defeat the demon and it involves all the named characters all doing their bit and completing their missions and it follows a conventional narrative until near the end when the demon just kills them all and turns their ship into a fucked up demon ship to send to Earth to kill everyone there. The remaining main characters realize they can't stop this but if they sacrifice themselves in the most noble way they can at least send a warning to Earth. They do so and their plan actually works so they die to the demon screaming defiance and that Earth will be ready and will defeat the demon ship. Then in the epilogue the message arrives on Earth, is assigned low priority, and is immediately lost forever in the bureaucracy.
that... that sounds amazing
|
On May 11 2019 10:38 KwarK wrote:
Grimdark is a Warhammer 40k thing. It's like the worst possible of settings. One where the only reason the authors haven't killed everyone yet is because killing everyone would actually be an improvement over the endless cycle of suffering, sacrifice, and stagnation.
Like there's a book in the Warhammer universe where some supersoldiers find a bunch of humans living on an incredibly hostile planet and the good supersoldiers convince the others that they have to try to save the humans. Only it turns out that the planet was infested by a demon and the people they were trying to help were secret demon cultists. The supersoldiers come up with a plan to defeat the demon and it involves all the named characters all doing their bit and completing their missions and it follows a conventional narrative until near the end when the demon just kills them all and turns their ship into a fucked up demon ship to send to Earth to kill everyone there. The remaining main characters realize they can't stop this but if they sacrifice themselves in the most noble way they can at least send a warning to Earth. They do so and their plan actually works so they die to the demon screaming defiance and that Earth will be ready and will defeat the demon ship. Then in the epilogue the message arrives on Earth, is assigned low priority, and is immediately lost forever in the bureaucracy.
Sounds a bit like the SC:BW campaign 
|
How heretical of you.
Terra isn't going to succumb to one puny Demon.
WH40k is legit shit
On the scale WH40k operates at the Zerg would be a minor occurance
|
On May 11 2019 20:16 Velr wrote:How heretical of you. Terra isn't going to succumb to one puny Demon. WH40k is legit shit On the scale WH40k operates at the Zerg would be a minor occurance
i mean starcraft terrans are just downgraded spacemarines, you gotta up the zerg to tyranids.
|
|
|
United States44195 Posts
On May 11 2019 20:16 Velr wrote:How heretical of you. Terra isn't going to succumb to one puny Demon. WH40k is legit shit On the scale WH40k operates at the Zerg would be a minor occurance
Madail wasn't puny tho, The Pilgrim destroyed worlds at a whim and haunted the IX legion at full strength for a while, engaging at them at will. As far as demonic threats go it's pretty OP.
|
Last 5 pages is only book discussion and war4k... guys come on.
|
Well what more do you want to say about the episode?
|
No one cares about the episode now, its all about the memes :D
|
On May 12 2019 04:12 FreakyDroid wrote:
No one cares about the episode now, its all about the memes :D
I'm more looking forward to the memes on /r/freefolk (don't go there if you don't like spoilers/leaks) than the episode itself.
|
On May 12 2019 02:01 frontliner2 wrote:
Last 5 pages is only book discussion and war4k... guys come on.
There are only memes now. The show does not warrant any serious discussion since the writing took the dive of a century.
+ Show Spoiler +
|
Best thong about that explanation is that dany has a council of 10+ people and all of them forgot the fleet lol
|
On May 12 2019 06:33 sharkie wrote:
Best thong about that explanation is that dany has a council of 10+ people and all of them forgot the fleet lol They even had the strategic table with the blocks to denote armies. And no one thought about the biggest fleet in Westeros that already caused you massive headaches on multiple occasions?
The fact that they even make this argument to explain their need for deus ex machina solutions to the dragons is downright insulting.
What exactly is Varys job if not to know the location of everyone's army/fleet?
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](https://1d4chan.org/images/d/d6/Grimdark.jpg)
