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ticklishmusic
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Plansix
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On May 07 2019 01:45 ticklishmusic wrote: Pretty sure Euron is planning a double cross of some sort? That seems to subtle for Euron, most honest man in the Seven Kingdoms. | ||
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ahw
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On May 07 2019 01:45 ticklishmusic wrote: Pretty sure Euron is planning a double cross of some sort? I don’t think I can be sure Euron is intelligent enough to breath on his own, let alone double cross someone. | ||
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DwD
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Shooting down a dragon with 100%? accuracy without line of sight, without being seen, by AERIAL DRAGONS, in the middle of a sunny day? Did they forget about his fleet or some shit? WTF? We are fed for season after season how dragons are unstoppable killing machines and all of a sudden like 8 ships can win vs 2 of them? Nah dudeeeee this is just lame. | ||
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Plansix
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On May 07 2019 02:05 Plansix wrote: The actor playing Euron is my favorite part of post books GoT. He is playing that character like some larger that life villain in a sea of nuanced, layered characters. He seems weirdly believable as someone who is just there to do terrible things and soak up as much attention as he can get while he is at it.. Yeah I think the actor does a great job, and the writing for him isn't all that bad, but he's existing in a world written too shallow for his greatness. | ||
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TaKeTV
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"The largest ballistae of the 4th century could throw a dart further than 1200 yards (1,100 m). The weapon was named ballista fulminalis in De Rebus Bellicis: "From this ballista, darts were projected not only in great number but also at a large size over a considerable distance, such as across the width of the Danube River."[8] Ballistae were not only used in laying siege: after ad 350, at least 22 semi-circular towers were erected around the walls of Londinium (London) to provide platforms for permanently mounted defensive devices.[9]" From Wiki. Also it wasn't one point blank shot, several shots hit and I am sure others did miss which were not highlighted. Was that scene over the top and could you have put up a better scene? Yes. Was it absurd and absolutely not doable? No. A flying dragon is a massive, not super quick creature, I believe its fair to say you could hit it. | ||
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BlackCompany
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Good thing Euron found some magic ballista somewhere and is a better sharp shooter than a modern sniper or else this fight with completly OP dragons vs ships would have been a massacre. Like, the show has gone way of track. It used to be "realistic" (in a way where there is logic and consequences that apply in a world where dragon and magic exist) but now every faction is just magically pulling a solution to all their problems out of their asses to somehow make an uneven fight even. Also yay for dragons surviving vs white walkers where literally everyone should have been killed and make him die to this stupid shit. Same with Missandei. Good thing Cersei decided to kill her, i would not have known that she was evil otherwise. Except i'm not 7 anymore. And Missandei was captured how..? Like the boats almost sank on the beach and then suddenly shes in Kings Landing. Someone left his teleportation device on again. Also this is either the most obvious "mad evil queen Dany" setup ever or she is going to do a 180 opinion switch out of the blue. I suppose they have to make Jon as king happen somehow Also holy moly the amount of Balista is through the roof. Like way over the top really. Sure the explanation is they ahve"secretly" been manufactoring all those but thats bullshit. Ugh. Yeah i'll watch the last 2 episodes because i want to know how it ends but this show has devolved on so many levels i am not even hyped for the last 2 episodes. I'm like "why bother" because none of this makes any sense anymore with all the forced drama and ridicioulus scenes | ||
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Plansix
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DwD
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On May 07 2019 02:41 TaKeTV wrote: Ballistas have a range of several hundret meters; they can shoot projectiles pretty quick and the accuracy isn't too bad. The biggest ballistas used during the Roman empire had over 1km range. "The largest ballistae of the 4th century could throw a dart further than 1200 yards (1,100 m). The weapon was named ballista fulminalis in De Rebus Bellicis: "From this ballista, darts were projected not only in great number but also at a large size over a considerable distance, such as across the width of the Danube River."[8] Ballistae were not only used in laying siege: after ad 350, at least 22 semi-circular towers were erected around the walls of Londinium (London) to provide platforms for permanently mounted defensive devices.[9]" From Wiki. Also it wasn't one point blank shot, several shots hit and I am sure others did miss which were not highlighted. Was that scene over the top and could you have put up a better scene? Yes. Was it absurd and absolutely not doable? No. A flying dragon is a massive, not super quick creature, I believe its fair to say you could hit it. Dude.... If they can see the dragons and aim like gods, then why cant the dragons see them?... And they manage to hit the first dragon several times from a super far range then when Daenerys is about to fly the last one it to cook em(so she is actually super close now) then all of a sudden they cant hit for shit. Nah man. Im just watching now to see the end but from this episode its so clear what will happen. Daenerys is gonna go HAM, Cersei will die, John will sit on the throne. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1199 Posts
On May 07 2019 02:45 DwD wrote: Dude.... If they can see the dragons and aim like gods, then why cant the dragons see them?... And they manage to hit the first dragon several times from a super far range then when Daenerys is about to fly the last one it to cook em(so she is actually super close now) then all of a sudden they cant hit for shit. Nah man. Im just watching now to see the end but from this episode its so clear what will happen. Daenerys is gonna go HAM, Cersei will die, John will sit on the throne. Exactly where have I mentioned that the dragons can't see the ships? I didn't say it was a perfect scene, neither that Daenerys not seeing anything made sense. I simply pointed out the range on ballistas isn't really all that much fantasy. So with all due respect don't put words in my mouth. I am not the fan that likes everything or agrees with everything and I was utterly disappointed by E3 but for once in E4 I felt it was a greater episode due to dialogue. The teleporting I kind of get used to. Yes its stupid, it doesn't make much sense but its a lot less bothering TO ME compared to a bad character arc or complete unlogical motives etc. I would have preferred that E3 takes casualties - a dragon or even Dany but can't have it all. Thats all I'm saying. No need to go off on me  | ||
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Logo
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On May 07 2019 02:45 Plansix wrote: We can’t be mad at the ballistas shooting real real far and killing a dragon, but be ok with the dragons flying while being that big. Its all stupid if we think to long about it. We can? It's not about the practicality of the ballista, it's about using that impracticality to tell an ineffective story. If you're going to be doing things that aren't satisfying with a good emotional impact, you at least need to make it come from a place grounded in the world you've setup (which the ballista, coming from the realism side of the story vs the magic side isn't grounded well). The line of argument isn't that the plot point is dumb BECAUSE of a notion of realism, it's dumb AND unrealistic which makes it much worse. There's plenty of impractical moments that still work fine because they're interesting and we liked them. There's moments we don't like, but they were more or less consistent with the world so ok, we can move on. When you accomplish neither then you got major problems. | ||
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BlackCompany
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They could have just had a dragon hover in the air and shoot fire like when they were destroying the slave ships in mereen(?) and have euron attack with a ship with a hidden balista. Or hide one balista ship behind a rock or something. That would be cool and believable. And with all these magic balista on the walls the only way this city can ever be taken is by treachery or starvation. No attack can get through that. But then again we have seen them do way more unrealistic things.. | ||
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solidbebe
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On May 07 2019 02:52 Logo wrote: We can? It's not about the practicality of the ballista, it's about using that impracticality to tell an ineffective story. If you're going to be doing things that aren't satisfying with a good emotional impact, you at least need to make it come from a place grounded in the world you've setup (which the ballista, coming from the realism side of the story vs the magic side isn't grounded well). The line of argument isn't that the plot point is dumb BECAUSE of a notion of realism, it's dumb AND unrealistic which makes it much worse. There's plenty of impractical moments that still work fine because they're interesting and we liked them. There's moments we don't like, but they were more or less consistent with the world so ok, we can move on. When you accomplish neither then you got major problems. I dont think Ive ever seen him concede a point in an argument so don't waste your time. | ||
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Plansix
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On May 07 2019 02:52 Logo wrote: We can? It's not about the practicality of the ballista, it's about using that impracticality to tell an ineffective story. If you're going to be doing things that aren't satisfying with a good emotional impact, you at least need to make it come from a place grounded in the world you've setup (which the ballista, coming from the realism side of the story vs the magic side isn't grounded well). The line of argument isn't that the plot point is dumb BECAUSE of a notion of realism, it's dumb AND unrealistic which makes it much worse. There's plenty of impractical moments that still work fine because they're interesting and we liked them. There's moments we don't like, but they were more or less consistent with the world so ok, we can move on. When you accomplish neither then you got major problems. I will concede that it dumb and unrealistic for a lot of reasons. The clear sky. That she didn’t see the ships even though she was flying. That she was flying for no apparent reasons. The fact that the entire event seemed completely mechanical for the plot and to move it forward towards the clear “end game”. A lot of these critiques are understandable and I agree with them. Though I also understand that the show runners are trying to clean up a messy narrative left by a creator who doesn’t seem interested in cleaning up after himself. And move on with their lives. But I won’t accept the one where they have magical super crossbows that kill dragons. It is in the fiction that these people figured out how to kill dragons off once, so we can assume they can figure out how to do it again. That part is easy for me. | ||
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Logo
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On May 07 2019 03:18 Plansix wrote: I will concede that it dumb and unrealistic for a lot of reasons. The clear sky. That she didn’t see the ships even though she was flying. That she was flying for no apparent reasons. The fact that the entire event seemed completely mechanical for the plot and to move it forward towards the clear “end game”. A lot of these critiques are understandable and I agree with them. Though I also understand that the show runners are trying to clean up a messy narrative left by a creator who doesn’t seem interested in cleaning up after himself. And move on with their lives. But I won’t accept the one where they have magical super crossbows that kill dragons. It is in the fiction that these people figured out how to kill dragons off once, so we can assume they can figure out how to do it again. That part is easy for me. Sure, and I'm happy to have crossbows that kill dragons, or even something crazy like a magical horn that does it. My gripe is for sure the combination of the mechanical nature of the plot progression + the unbelievable Hollywood cinematic to it. ---- Also I feel remiss, I made a big post about all the things I hated about the show and I didn't even remember to talk about the really creepy and gross rape apology that could have been written 100 other ways and not been nearly as gross. | ||
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