EPTBut if we're supposed to accept the magic spear throw from last season this is at least more believable.
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Sermokala
United States14081 Posts
But if we're supposed to accept the magic spear throw from last season this is at least more believable. | ||
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fishjie
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solidbebe
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On May 07 2019 03:18 Plansix wrote: I will concede that it dumb and unrealistic for a lot of reasons. The clear sky. That she didn’t see the ships even though she was flying. That she was flying for no apparent reasons. The fact that the entire event seemed completely mechanical for the plot and to move it forward towards the clear “end game”. A lot of these critiques are understandable and I agree with them. Though I also understand that the show runners are trying to clean up a messy narrative left by a creator who doesn’t seem interested in cleaning up after himself. And move on with their lives. Okay I take back my previous comment. Regarding the Sansa conversation: did the show runners kinda insinuate that she needed to be raped to lose her naivety? I mean, Im sure they didnt mean it that way, but that whole scene struck me as very odd. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On May 07 2019 04:26 fishjie wrote: the problem is if you accept the ballistae as being that powerful and accurate, it makes literally 0 sense that they hold the parley and the dragon shows up in range of like a dozen plus ballista. as soon as cersei beheads missy, she can have the ballistae fire and kill off the dragon, and wipe out the entire parley force. I'll be honest, this is a sort of contrivance that I'm willing to accept. It seems clear the intention is that Drogon is placed far back enough to be out of range of the ballista, it doesn't really look like that, but I'm content to believe it's the intention there and the practicalities of framing a scene are why he looks actually closer. Though of course Cersei could just annihilate the entire "army" with the ballista and they're even closer, but we could maybe accept that under the same pretense. Like yeah it's kind of dumb, but it's only dumb because of the things we don't like around it. If we were content with the rest of the episode we wouldn't really pay much attention to a too close dragon. | ||
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Plansix
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Logo
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On May 07 2019 04:54 Plansix wrote: The show runners have always seemed to subscribe to this concept of character development that requires terrible things to happen to characters for them to grow and understand the world. Sansa could not grow unless she experience sexual violence, or so the line implies. Its just bad writing. She could have easily said “I’m still here” which would have been much better. But the longer the show goes on without GRRMs direction, more clearer it becomes that the writing room of GoT has a myopic point of view on a whole bunch of subjects concerning women. She could have even said "Then I would still be a little bird" which is a good line, but they could ax the part where she calls out Ramsy specifically or have the Hound's comments be less specifically about Ramsy. She's had a lot of other growth opportunity and has spent time with 2 of the sharpest minds in the realm (Tyrion & Littlefingers). She doesn't have to cite her abuse as a source of strength. She has plenty of reasons that she's grown with the path she's walked that is completely separate from her sexual assault. | ||
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Nebuchad
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
On May 07 2019 04:54 Logo wrote: I'll be honest, this is a sort of contrivance that I'm willing to accept. It seems clear the intention is that Drogon is placed far back enough to be out of range of the ballista, it doesn't really look like that, but I'm content to believe it's the intention there and the practicalities of framing a scene are why he looks actually closer. Though of course Cersei could just annihilate the entire "army" with the ballista and they're even closer, but we could maybe accept that under the same pretense. Like yeah it's kind of dumb, but it's only dumb because of the things we don't like around it. If we were content with the rest of the episode we wouldn't really pay much attention to a too close dragon. i mean if dany is unable to do basic scouting while on a dragon on clear weather and still get hit by siege tanks with blink from far below, i dont really trust her to be able to keep her remaining dragon out of siege tank range during the parley. i mean the show has made it clear that these people are just terribad at war. whereas cersei is completely ruthless. she blows up the sept, she'd light them all up with ballista bolts and not bat an eye. i mean i kind of just go whatever now, because the quality in writing has declined the previous seasons, but i still enjoy what i can. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On May 07 2019 05:11 fishjie wrote: i mean if dany is unable to do basic scouting while on a dragon on clear weather and still get hit by siege tanks with blink from far below, i dont really trust her to be able to keep her remaining dragon out of siege tank range during the parley. i mean the show has made it clear that these people are just terribad at war. whereas cersei is completely ruthless. she blows up the sept, she'd light them all up with ballista bolts and not bat an eye. i mean i kind of just go whatever now, because the quality in writing has declined the previous seasons, but i still enjoy what i can. Yeah, I don't really disagree. But to me its more that the root problem is "Cersei abiding by Parely" is unexpected of her and "Dany getting caught surprised while riding a dragon" is not really a believable course of events. Fix those root problems an you wouldn't be wondering why (if) Drogon is in range of the ballista. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On May 07 2019 04:59 Nebuchad wrote: Yeah I got nothing. I've been known to defend the show a lot but this season is very not good so far One man is broken, only plansix and vhbb left to go!  | ||
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Plansix
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Longshank
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Aocowns
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Plansix
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On May 07 2019 05:53 Plansix wrote: The most important part is that the people who dislike the show watch it every week and have their opinions validated in this thread. It is an important part of the discussion. Hating on stuff is part of life's small joys for me xd | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On a related note, apparently GRRM isn't great at finishing novels. As in the endings are sub par, not just that he doesn't finish them. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 07 2019 06:03 Aocowns wrote: Hating on stuff is part of life's small joys for me xd I am being snippy with that one. I love to dunk on things too. But, dunking of stuff is also easy and I try to fight back against the urge to have that opinion validated or mock the people who enjoy the thing I am dunking on. People like the Twilight movies without a drop of irony. Or they enjoy them, but also know they are super trashy vampire movies. There are people who are super into the lore of Kingdom Hearts and invested in those characters and frankly, that’s great because those are really long games and I won’t play off of them. But I do like hearing about how much they love that really silly plot where Mickey is an anime ninja. Sometimes its more fun to dunk a little less and find out why other people are still digging the show. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On May 07 2019 06:19 Plansix wrote: I am being snippy with that one. I love to dunk on things too. But, dunking of stuff is also easy and I try to fight back against the urge to have that opinion validated or mock the people who enjoy the thing I am dunking on. People like the Twilight movies without a drop of irony. Or they enjoy them, but also know they are super trashy vampire movies. There are people who are super into the lore of Kingdom Hearts and invested in those characters and frankly, that’s great because those are really long games and I won’t play off of them. But I do like hearing about how much they love that really silly plot where Mickey is an anime ninja. Sometimes its more fun to dunk a little less and find out why other people are still digging the show. I try to make a distinction between things that try to be serious and things that clearly try not to be serious, so thats what makes GoT extra disgusting for me right now, very big difference between what it set out to be and what it has become | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On May 07 2019 04:57 Logo wrote: She could have even said "Then I would still be a little bird" which is a good line, but they could ax the part where she calls out Ramsy specifically or have the Hound's comments be less specifically about Ramsy. She's had a lot of other growth opportunity and has spent time with 2 of the sharpest minds in the realm (Tyrion & Littlefingers). She doesn't have to cite her abuse as a source of strength. She has plenty of reasons that she's grown with the path she's walked that is completely separate from her sexual assault. They clearly wanted to spell it out. Since season 5 where they got immense blowback from that scene with Ramsay they've been not-so-subtlely doing all they could to regain those brownie points even at the expense of writing quality. This is most prominently seen in Arya and Sansa, where Arya is basically a superhero now and Sansa has been inflated into being one of the most competent people in the show despite not actually demonstrating much of any intellectual prowess in defeating Cersei or the NK and is mostly just a joyless bore. I noticed that D&D mentioned they had planned to have Arya kill the NK for 3 years now. I don't think it's a coincidence that this was just after season 5 and with how lazily it was executed. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18569 Posts
On May 07 2019 06:09 SK.Testie wrote: Hating on the show is the only joy left we have when we see what it has become. It was entirely predictable when the source material ran out. The show deserved very high praise for most of its run but as the source material dried up and Hollywood hackery took over it was an expected decline. And so we come here to shit on that decline, because it is our last joy left. On a related note, apparently GRRM isn't great at finishing novels. As in the endings are sub par, not just that he doesn't finish them. Well thats because endings of stories are always the most difficult to write. Not easy to do as an average authro | ||
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