On August 15 2017 07:05 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't see how s5 dorne was somewhat similar to the books tbh. Also without a certain other character it was almost impossible to be similar, even more so because they cut Doran's other two children. I agree though that there is no way they planned the storyline the way it was, because that was basically nothing and actually a "mess".
I still think following the books more closely where possible would have achieved a way better story, yes you have to make cuts here and there but that's not a legit reasoning to give them a free pass for everything ever. I don't think book 4 and 5 are bad though, so maybe i am biased
It was similar in the sense that Doran Martell didn't want to start a dumb-war but had an alternative plan for revenge.
I don't think book 4 and 5 are bad though, so maybe i am biased
I am sure you came by reading all of those Brienne chapters.
I actually do not remember any plan of Doran in the show, i only remember like 3 scenes with him in the first place ^^
Well ok Brienne's chapters were boring the first time, could have been cut here and there for sure. People complain about the books in general though, i disagree heavily with it. In my experience people who read only for plot complain about the later books because there is a lack of "big things" happening (though that complaint is also exaggerated imo) I think book 4 and 5 are somewhat close to book 1 and 2. Setting up characters, building plot points, etc.
But this is not the place to discuss the books
On August 15 2017 07:24 moktira wrote: Regarding the whole Night's King thing, I'm firmly of the view that he's not just mindless evil hellbent on destroying civilisation. One of the appealing things about this series is every character seems to have their own agenda and while some are fucked up (eg. Ramsey) they are not going to destroy the world. To have an enemy like that who causes Jon and Dany to unite and defeat and then live happily ever after seems far too simplistic for how this series has been presented this far. So I think the White Walkers must have some motivation other than death to humans that we just don't know. Although I know it's actually less simplistic with the whole Cersei thing there but I hope that's not the only sort of complication they have left.
This is my highly speculative theory that I don't really believe. It's now been almost confirmed that Jon is the son of a Targ (fire) and a Stark (ice). However he has also been killed and brought back by fire. Now he's going north of the wall and perhaps this time in a dramatic penultimate episode he'll be killed and then in the final episode be brought back by ice and thus become a total harmony of ice and fire. Somehow he'll interact with the Night's King and then have to deal with balancing his goals (maybe conquering by ice) and Dany's goals of conquering by fire.
I don't believe the show runners would do that or kill Jon again really but it's just what makes sense to me.
Yeah i also think there will be a motivation. Personally i think it's about them needing humans to "reproduce" and all the humans who might have sacrificed children (wildlings, probably the nightswatch before but now forgotten) not doing so anymore. I think the overall conflict will be solved through some form of diplomacy and not a big fight. Or rather both (ofc there will be fights).
After each episode, i feel like Jaime Lannister is Azor Ahai. He fits the bill perfectly.
"The king will have 20 children and you will have three. Gold will be their crowns . . . gold their shrouds."
pretty sure it confirms that Cersei wont have the forth children. My bet is that she is going to get killed by Jaime after losing the plot, and then Jaime becomes Azor Ahai, fights the Night King etcetc.
I actually do not remember any plan of Doran in the show, i only remember like 3 scenes with him in the first place ^^
Could have easily been implemented/expanded upon in S6. Why even introduce him and his son in the show in the first place if they were never supposed to have any role.
I actually do not remember any plan of Doran in the show, i only remember like 3 scenes with him in the first place ^^
Could have easily been implemented/expanded upon in S6. Like why even introduce him and his son in the show in the first place if they were never supposed to have any role.
Well in season 5 they already foreshadowed doran's death tbh. Doran talks to Ellaria and tells her that they won't hurt little girls in dorne as long as he is the ruler. Ellaria replies with something along the lines of "how long will that be" I read somewhere that the showrunners really liked Ellaria's actress and made it focused on her because of that. Doran's actor also said that he was paid for more episodes than he was actually part of. It's really weird.
If we cut Jaime and Bronn in Dorne (which was kinda pointless to begin with) there could have been time to introduce Doran's children and have about the same plot as in the books. I think it would have been better than what we got for sure.
Right now Dorne is simply a non issue in the show because Ellaria cannot rule anymore. I don't understand why that alone would mean a lot, there surely are other lords in Dorne (there should be), but ok.
They did say there would be a civil war or there is one now that Dorne has no leaders. So I assume that's what is going on over there. We'll never know as I doubt we'll ever hear about or from Dorne again.
On August 14 2017 22:40 Plansix wrote: Well she can’t have kids, so I assume its fine? Sort of messed up, but they are the same age, so its not like there is some weird power dynamic due to age. I do think its funny because Dany seems super into him, which is a change for her character, who never really seemed into any dude beyond politics.
Why can't she have kids?
The season 1 blood magic made her infertile.
Is this just books or was this mentioned in the show at all?
I'd have to rewatch the episode to check but I'm pretty sure it's both.
On August 15 2017 08:25 blade55555 wrote: They did say there would be a civil war or there is one now that Dorne has no leaders. So I assume that's what is going on over there. We'll never know as I doubt we'll ever hear about or from Dorne again.
The thing is that i would have expected a civil war after Doran got murdered. But sure i guess that's good enough
On August 15 2017 08:04 The_Red_Viper wrote: I read somewhere that the showrunners really liked Ellaria's actress and made it focused on her because of that. Doran's actor also said that he was paid for more episodes than he was actually part of. It's really weird.
It's only weird until you realize that the producers are going to extreme lengths to prevent potential leaks. Shooting extra scenes that will never be the part of the plot, listing actors as hired for more seasons than they will be, not revealing the entirety of the script to the cast etc. etc.
How the story will develop is a pretty close guarded secret.
I don't have any problems with the show speeding up, only thing is that it could have been done a little more gradually. In S5 and S6 they took their time, and now they're really upping the tempo, skipping months at a time.
Also, if Dany can't get pregnant, isn't Jon the only way they can keep the Targaryen bloodline going? Provided that they all find out he is one, but I don't think that's too far away from happening.
Azor Ahai was talked about when Jon Snow met Dany, right? They called him "prince that was promised" and he could also be a princess...but I can't remember if the name AA is actually ever mentioned on the show.
On August 15 2017 16:58 zatic wrote: So since when do maesters have any say in marriage? Does Dorne have the civil union or something? Afaik only the High Septon can annul a marriage.
Regarding Dorne, they made that perfect line about bad pussies. Then they aired the season and everyone hated it, so they simply rewrote everything and cut Dorne out completely. I didn't even think they would show us any sandsnakes in season 7, i thought they would simply drop them and hope noone notices. The same way we got one sentence explaining the dorne situation after Ellaria was captured. "We lost 2 allies." Okay. Just go with it, allright.
Would it even really matter if Jon's parentage was revealed? The only one who knows is Bran and would his word alone be good enough for everyone? There isn't any hard solid proof that could sway the various lords/leadrs. Would it actually make a difference in the long run? (especially if Jon and Dany get comfy anyway)
Sam's GF accidently found another proof about Jon's parents last episode, so Bran technicly is not the only one who knows
Not sure about Jon/Dany together anymore, he seems a bit disappointed by her, and on the other hand she's too arrogant to admit she likes Jon
One more thing, the prophecy says Dany can't have a child until sun goes backwards or something like that, considering Jon lost his oath to night's watch and it was never possible before how can we be sure about her being permanently fertile?
On August 15 2017 19:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Sam's GF accidently found another proof about Jon's parents last episode, so Bran technicly is not the only one who knows
Not sure about Jon/Dany together anymore, he seems a bit disappointed by her, and on the other hand she's too arrogant to admit she likes Jon
One more thing, the prophecy says Dany can't have a child until sun goes backwards or something like that, considering Jon lost his oath to night's watch and it was never possible before how can we be sure about her being permanently fertile?
Sam didn't even pay attention tho, I was expecting him to be like "fuck these meisters and their ma... what? what did you say you found?" but for no avail.
On August 15 2017 19:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Sam's GF accidently found another proof about Jon's parents last episode, so Bran technicly is not the only one who knows
Not sure about Jon/Dany together anymore, he seems a bit disappointed by her, and on the other hand she's too arrogant to admit she likes Jon
One more thing, the prophecy says Dany can't have a child until sun goes backwards or something like that, considering Jon lost his oath to night's watch and it was never possible before how can we be sure about her being permanently fertile?
Sam didn't even pay attention tho, I was expecting him to be like "fuck these meisters and their ma... what? what did you say you found?" but for no avail.
Why would he pay attention? He had neither interest nor particular set of knowledge. Sam thinks and knows that Jon is legitimate bastard of Ned Stark and that's all, he knows nothing about Rhaegar/Lyanna connection which resulted Jon's birth.
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